The Syndicate

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:24 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:23 pm I think perhaps killing Falcon today is still the best plan - this is a world that we need to discover.

It is 7v2 right now, so if we miss on Falcon, we go to 5v2. I am strongly leaning towards town!Falcon->chop Sabi tomorrow. I just hope that saying this will be remembered tomorrow, in particular by @WindwardAway @Porscha
I'm actually fine with moving back to falcon for today
That does not necessarily mean Pyxxy is off the hook
And it does not necessarily mean that I would want Sabi to flip tomorrow
But I acknowledge your post

Thanks. I agree that Pyxxy is not gone from suspicion, but I do think the wolf!Sabi world needs to be considered. It explains a lot IMO.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:15 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:49 pm I'm sorry, but I think I'm back to wolf!Sabi. I know, it sucks not having her in the towncore, but this explains a lot of why WWA hasn't died, why Rondo died, why Wilgy died, and can explain a lot of Lily's actions.
And you're sure it isn't a frame?
I know exactly why I haven't died, and the reason I know is because I've already confirmed that I predicted their strategy correctly, since I blocked lily's kill.
It has nothing to do with my read on Sabi.

No, I am not sure it isn't a frame, but I don't think it is. I think that is a bit too obscure, especially to dictate multiple kills, and no one other than me has been pushing those angles, and Sabi is misrepresenting dead townies reads on her, which if I was being unfavorable to them, I'd say they're actively trying to change the threadperception of what these dead townies were saying.

I think perhaps killing Falcon today is still the best plan - this is a world that we need to discover.

It is 7v2 right now, so if we miss on Falcon, we go to 5v2. I am strongly leaning towards town!Falcon->chop Sabi tomorrow. I just hope that saying this will be remembered tomorrow, in particular by @WindwardAway @Porscha

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:05 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:40 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:32 pm Why did neon not let a quick hammer happen falcon when he was L-1 and instead unvoted him?

Why did lily defend falcon and made sure no one voted him eod2?
I know you're likely not going to hear this, but I owe it to the thread to do my due diligence and explore situations.

Neon not quickhammering is NAI.

Lily I don't think really defended Falcon. In fact, I'm starting to think perhaps instead Lily was just pushing more for a Tutuu elim. If I'm right about this, why do you think Lily might have wanted Tutuu elimmed?
That's definitely not true. Read her iso and she says she wants tutuu/Sabi wagons because she doesn't think falcon is a hit, but if he has to be a wagon then she prefers tutuu. She didn't outright push tutuu but she was happy to jump on her wagon, and tutuu flipped town.

She did say that, but it was close to EoD, and I think it was pretty much locked between Falcon and Tutuu at that point, offering Sabi then did not actually put Sabi in danger, and when you are a wolf with t/t wagons, one of them AFK Falcon, one bouncy Tutuu, it's not unreasonable to push for Tutuu over Falcon to leave Falcon for a later day.

Hey @WindwardAway, can we talk about Sabi? I know they've been a consistent townread of yours, but I do think this is something worth exploring. Maybe I'm wrong, and if so I'm willing to re-eval, but I do think there is a strong case against Sabi.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:02 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:59 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:57 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:55 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:51 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:49 pm I'm sorry, but I think I'm back to wolf!Sabi. I know, it sucks not having her in the towncore, but this explains a lot of why WWA hasn't died, why Rondo died, why Wilgy died, and can explain a lot of Lily's actions.
SEAN LISTEN TO ME.

I swear to God am screaming that you can't fucking see this.

Rondo scumread me because ei said one in him and lucy.

Literally was omgus.

Wilgz had me as townlean with tinfoil.
I asked Wilgy at the end of D2 their read on you and they said "light townread". All of D3 you were a suspect, showing up in 2 out of the 3 groups that Wilgy was considering.
Then vote me Sean.

Figure out from there that the solve is falcon and neon.

Will quite literally answer all of yalls questions about my slot.
Can you please answer the question I asked about Dennis?

I am trying to solve the game. I am allowed to consider you as scum while doing so. You have been saying things I disagree with and things that i think are just factually incorrect. I don't want to just vote you, I want to EITHER catch you or find you. I'd appreciate it of you could help me find you if you're town.
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 0#p1035740

Literally here.

Are you happy now.

I don't appreciate the AtE.

I don't think that is particularly deep, and that was only after I pushed Dennis to give reads, because I thought Dennis wasn't really doing much. What do you think of that?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:57 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:55 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:51 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:49 pm I'm sorry, but I think I'm back to wolf!Sabi. I know, it sucks not having her in the towncore, but this explains a lot of why WWA hasn't died, why Rondo died, why Wilgy died, and can explain a lot of Lily's actions.
SEAN LISTEN TO ME.

I swear to God am screaming that you can't fucking see this.

Rondo scumread me because ei said one in him and lucy.

Literally was omgus.

Wilgz had me as townlean with tinfoil.
I asked Wilgy at the end of D2 their read on you and they said "light townread". All of D3 you were a suspect, showing up in 2 out of the 3 groups that Wilgy was considering.
Then vote me Sean.

Figure out from there that the solve is falcon and neon.

Will quite literally answer all of yalls questions about my slot.

Can you please answer the question I asked about Dennis?

I am trying to solve the game. I am allowed to consider you as scum while doing so. You have been saying things I disagree with and things that i think are just factually incorrect. I don't want to just vote you, I want to EITHER catch you or find you. I'd appreciate it of you could help me find you if you're town.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:52 pm Maybe town fucking deserves to lose this game. I'm losing a lot of my motivation repeating myself over and over.

You are saying factually incorrect things (I am checking every single thing you say now because you have said clearly incorrect things, I can provide receipts), and you still have yet to provide me with what i asked re:Dennis. I asked you for something from this game, and you started quoting Scooby Doo.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:51 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:49 pm I'm sorry, but I think I'm back to wolf!Sabi. I know, it sucks not having her in the towncore, but this explains a lot of why WWA hasn't died, why Rondo died, why Wilgy died, and can explain a lot of Lily's actions.
SEAN LISTEN TO ME.

I swear to God am screaming that you can't fucking see this.

Rondo scumread me because ei said one in him and lucy.

Literally was omgus.

Wilgz had me as townlean with tinfoil.

I asked Wilgy at the end of D2 their read on you and they said "light townread". All of D3 you were a suspect, showing up in 2 out of the 3 groups that Wilgy was considering.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:49 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:48 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:43 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:40 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:32 pm Why did neon not let a quick hammer happen falcon when he was L-1 and instead unvoted him?

Why did lily defend falcon and made sure no one voted him eod2?
I know you're likely not going to hear this, but I owe it to the thread to do my due diligence and explore situations.

Neon not quickhammering is NAI.

Lily I don't think really defended Falcon. In fact, I'm starting to think perhaps instead Lily was just pushing more for a Tutuu elim. If I'm right about this, why do you think Lily might have wanted Tutuu elimmed?
Tutuu sr me, falcon, and pyxxy (also Wilgz rip)

I don't think she was trying to force a tutuu yeet. She shrugged about it after she gave up on me.

Why would Rondo and Wilgz die. Both sr falcon.

I just feel in mybones that falcon is the Jk. It's the only explanation over him suddenly giving a fuck about being elim vs d2
Tutuu also had at least one "gotcha" post about Dennis shortly before Tutuu's death.

I cannot see how Rondo's ISO suggests that Rondo scumread Falcon. Rondo scumread you.

Wilgy was PR, it is hard to read into that kill. Also Wilgy scumread you.
He literally voted for falcon for most of d1

"revenge vote" and then doesn't push it at all. Yes, D1, that is a strong case.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:49 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:43 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 3:11 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 3:10 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 3:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 3:01 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:57 pm

What exactly am I supposed to. Move?

Seanzie and wwa and Dennis and Porscha are locked town.

That leaves you Nook pyxxy and neon.
Tell me about Dennis. The more I think about them, the more I realize that I am not actually sure of why they have been so high in the collective sort.
Look at his wolf games in carto and scooby doo. He struggles as wolf to solve and make. Reads.

Look at him here.

He's polarized
I am looking at his Scooby Doo iso right now and I vehemently disagree, he makes tons of reads.
Yes but look at the quality of those reads compared to this game
Can you give me a specific instances of a high-quality read/progression Dennis has had this game that you think is far out of the realm of what he was doing in Scooby Doo?
Commuting home so you get bus posting:

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 7#p1025377
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 1#p1025121

In scooby doo his reads are literally vibes based with no isoing or effort put into them.

Look at his reads this game. He's iso and using actual evidence for his reads. This matches how he does it in his town games.

Can you give me a specific instances of a high-quality read/progression Dennis has had this game that you think is far out of the realm of what he was doing in Scooby Doo? I can find Dennis' ISO in Scooby Doo, I want to see your receipts your read on them. Which reads from this game have you this convinced?

I'm sorry, but I think I'm back to wolf!Sabi. I know, it sucks not having her in the towncore, but this explains a lot of why WWA hasn't died, why Rondo died, why Wilgy died, and can explain a lot of Lily's actions.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:43 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:40 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:32 pm Why did neon not let a quick hammer happen falcon when he was L-1 and instead unvoted him?

Why did lily defend falcon and made sure no one voted him eod2?
I know you're likely not going to hear this, but I owe it to the thread to do my due diligence and explore situations.

Neon not quickhammering is NAI.

Lily I don't think really defended Falcon. In fact, I'm starting to think perhaps instead Lily was just pushing more for a Tutuu elim. If I'm right about this, why do you think Lily might have wanted Tutuu elimmed?
Tutuu sr me, falcon, and pyxxy (also Wilgz rip)

I don't think she was trying to force a tutuu yeet. She shrugged about it after she gave up on me.

Why would Rondo and Wilgz die. Both sr falcon.

I just feel in mybones that falcon is the Jk. It's the only explanation over him suddenly giving a fuck about being elim vs d2

Tutuu also had at least one "gotcha" post about Dennis shortly before Tutuu's death.

I cannot see how Rondo's ISO suggests that Rondo scumread Falcon. Rondo scumread you.

Wilgy was PR, it is hard to read into that kill. Also Wilgy scumread you.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 3:11 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 3:10 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 3:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 3:01 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:57 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:55 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:51 pm

Really?

I dropped neon to scum and pyxxy to null

But go off. Tell me how I haven't changed my reads at all
So, hasn't changed much at all does mean there's been some change...you understand that, no?

Dropping your lowest TR slot to SR (after of course Wilgy & tutuu both flip green) and moving 60% pyxxy by 10% to null is not much movement at all.
What exactly am I supposed to. Move?

Seanzie and wwa and Dennis and Porscha are locked town.

That leaves you Nook pyxxy and neon.
Tell me about Dennis. The more I think about them, the more I realize that I am not actually sure of why they have been so high in the collective sort.
Look at his wolf games in carto and scooby doo. He struggles as wolf to solve and make. Reads.

Look at him here.

He's polarized
I am looking at his Scooby Doo iso right now and I vehemently disagree, he makes tons of reads.
Yes but look at the quality of those reads compared to this game

Can you give me a specific instances of a high-quality read/progression Dennis has had this game that you think is far out of the realm of what he was doing in Scooby Doo?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:36 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:33 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:25 pm Falcon and Neon were quick to push a dennis/me world but jumped on pyxxy quickly
Yeah, I've expressed sus on pyxxy...more than once.
Fair. It was more directed at neon

Also fair

Why were you so wolfy D1-D3?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:32 pm Why did neon not let a quick hammer happen falcon when he was L-1 and instead unvoted him?

Why did lily defend falcon and made sure no one voted him eod2?

I know you're likely not going to hear this, but I owe it to the thread to do my due diligence and explore situations.

Neon not quickhammering is NAI.

Lily I don't think really defended Falcon. In fact, I'm starting to think perhaps instead Lily was just pushing more for a Tutuu elim. If I'm right about this, why do you think Lily might have wanted Tutuu elimmed?

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 4:00 pm Some things are happening coolio

Sabi is die harding for me so I think they're town, because someone just said they die hard for their teammates and fmpov since I'm town a maf with that rep doesn't put that much effort into pocketing

Seanzie has been blatantly town since the start but unironically why are you not dead yet

Falcon is reminding me of someone in my first game who got subbed into a slot that was already going to get chopped, and tried making cases. It's got the same sorta "final stand" feel

Porscha I remember how different she feels from cartomancy and now, she was more aggressive in the other game and here she's more thoughtful

Pyxxy I have no reason to scumread per se but other people do and I'm not confident in my townread so that's why they're in my choplist

I'm not restating my thoughts on Nook I've said them like 400 billion times

WWA shouldn't have lived this long lmao un-cc'd PR claim is hilarious

Neon I have given up on reading a long time ago cause I always think she looks scummy so this is similar to pyxxy, other people sus her and I'm just plopping her towards the back of my chop list

Dennis is OUTED WOLF LOL!!!

Why would I be dead? Should I have died N1 or N3?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 3:15 pm @Seanzie why are you so confident falcon isn't a hit anymore?

It is disingenuous to say that I am confident Falcon isn't a hit. Instead I am not confident that Falcon is a hit.

Town!Falcon can be lazy Falcon, and their play today gth is more reminicnent of town!Falcon than scum!Falcon. I don't think this completely outweighs their full-game play, but it does make me worry.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 3:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 3:01 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:57 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:55 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:51 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:38 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:44 pm

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

This was 6 days ago, and Sabi's reads really haven't changed much at all. I think you've recently expressed a micro tinfoil on Porscha, but that's about it.
Really?

I dropped neon to scum and pyxxy to null

But go off. Tell me how I haven't changed my reads at all
So, hasn't changed much at all does mean there's been some change...you understand that, no?

Dropping your lowest TR slot to SR (after of course Wilgy & tutuu both flip green) and moving 60% pyxxy by 10% to null is not much movement at all.
What exactly am I supposed to. Move?

Seanzie and wwa and Dennis and Porscha are locked town.

That leaves you Nook pyxxy and neon.
Tell me about Dennis. The more I think about them, the more I realize that I am not actually sure of why they have been so high in the collective sort.
Look at his wolf games in carto and scooby doo. He struggles as wolf to solve and make. Reads.

Look at him here.

He's polarized

I am looking at his Scooby Doo iso right now and I vehemently disagree, he makes tons of reads.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 3:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 3:01 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:57 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:55 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:51 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:38 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:44 pm

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

This was 6 days ago, and Sabi's reads really haven't changed much at all. I think you've recently expressed a micro tinfoil on Porscha, but that's about it.
Really?

I dropped neon to scum and pyxxy to null

But go off. Tell me how I haven't changed my reads at all
So, hasn't changed much at all does mean there's been some change...you understand that, no?

Dropping your lowest TR slot to SR (after of course Wilgy & tutuu both flip green) and moving 60% pyxxy by 10% to null is not much movement at all.
What exactly am I supposed to. Move?

Seanzie and wwa and Dennis and Porscha are locked town.

That leaves you Nook pyxxy and neon.
Tell me about Dennis. The more I think about them, the more I realize that I am not actually sure of why they have been so high in the collective sort.
Look at his wolf games in carto and scooby doo. He struggles as wolf to solve and make. Reads.

Look at him here.

He's polarized

I don't think he is polarized. I think he is new, and learning fast.

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:57 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:55 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:51 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:38 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:44 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:26 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:09 pm I Eman yall can flip me today. I don't care and it will show in not aligned with tutuu at all.

I. Don't want to spend my time on a game if I push anyone it's omg sabi a wolf again. I'm playing the game and trying to solve
I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?
This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

This was 6 days ago, and Sabi's reads really haven't changed much at all. I think you've recently expressed a micro tinfoil on Porscha, but that's about it.
Really?

I dropped neon to scum and pyxxy to null

But go off. Tell me how I haven't changed my reads at all
So, hasn't changed much at all does mean there's been some change...you understand that, no?

Dropping your lowest TR slot to SR (after of course Wilgy & tutuu both flip green) and moving 60% pyxxy by 10% to null is not much movement at all.
What exactly am I supposed to. Move?

Seanzie and wwa and Dennis and Porscha are locked town.

That leaves you Nook pyxxy and neon.

Tell me about Dennis. The more I think about them, the more I realize that I am not actually sure of why they have been so high in the collective sort.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:55 pm Sorry, I'm not like...trying to not participate...I've just got a lot on my plate, and this game moved by quite quickly and I have no idea what's going on really.

It's okay. It happens.

At this point though, you are like 99.8% sure to be the elim, so perhaps if you do have any time, try to skim a few pages, choose a couple people to ISO (Nook, Neon, Pyxxy are natural choices, maybe Dennis if you're really getting into it) and try to give some legacy thoughts.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:42 pm I don't need to give a jail pool for the scenario when falcon is town, do I? I mean even if I nail both remaining wolves in the PoE I'm not necessarily gonna jail the one who performs the kill, and if the jailkeeper still has their shot, obviously they're gonna use it to guarantee a kill.

I don't see any reason you'd need to give a town!Falcon, no.

Cool, thanks.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:27 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:23 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:46 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:50 am Okay, I've thought through the mech a bit more, and this is actually good. Not as good as I thought, but...

If we elim a wolf today, then EITHER 1.) WWA survives another day, which is kinda nice for threadhealth/solving reasons, or 2.) WWA dies and we get a clear.

In particular @WindwardAway I'd still like you to specifically say something like "if X flips wolf, I am going to target Y" shortly before EoD, and STICK TO THAT. This guarantees that if you die, we get a clear. Can you do this? (let me know if you have any questions about why this works).
I will do this, you have my word. I know exactly how this works, and I won't deviate from the pool of targets I give before EoD.
You need to give a single name if you want it to work.
I literally gave a pool of targets
If I jail the mafia jailkeeper and they jail me, I thought the kill would not go through on me but it would on someone else? Because I'd be roleblocked first and then the factional would process? Or am I completely misunderstanding this

I'm probably completely misunderstanding this wtf am I saying

Lmao

If two JKs target eachother, both people are blocked and protected, meaning neither can submit a NK or die. Thus, if you die, you weren't JK'd, and so the person you targeted is clear.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I'd like to remind you that you promised us some associative reads. I hope to see them before too long.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:46 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:50 am Okay, I've thought through the mech a bit more, and this is actually good. Not as good as I thought, but...

If we elim a wolf today, then EITHER 1.) WWA survives another day, which is kinda nice for threadhealth/solving reasons, or 2.) WWA dies and we get a clear.

In particular @WindwardAway I'd still like you to specifically say something like "if X flips wolf, I am going to target Y" shortly before EoD, and STICK TO THAT. This guarantees that if you die, we get a clear. Can you do this? (let me know if you have any questions about why this works).
I will do this, you have my word. I know exactly how this works, and I won't deviate from the pool of targets I give before EoD.

You need to give a single name if you want it to work.

I'm becoming more and more certain that a Falcon flip is going to be 50/50 (which is still >rand!wolf, but not as good of odds as I'd like), however even with the uncertainty, I think it is the clear step forward. I think we need to see what world Falcon's flip puts us in. If Falcon flips town, I think Nook is very likely scum, which will lead us to 4/1 with decent reasons to townread at least a few people who'll be still alive even without progress tomorrow, which is not bad. If Falcon flips wolf, I think they are likely JK, and this means we will almost assuredly win.

Does anyone know wolf!Lily well enough to say if they have a stance on bussing?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 4:26 am From the OP, for clarification:

"If players with Roleblock and Jailkeep abilities target eachother on the same night, roleblock actions will go through whereas the jailkeep actions will not"

Yeah this is what I said already except that I said they cancel out lol
But to the same effect, essentially. Jailkeep doesn't work, and in this setup that's all that matters cause we don't have investigatives.

That line is where a RB and a JK target eachother. If two JKs target eachother, both are blocked and both are protected.

Okay, I've thought through the mech a bit more, and this is actually good. Not as good as I thought, but...

If we elim a wolf today, then EITHER 1.) WWA survives another day, which is kinda nice for threadhealth/solving reasons, or 2.) WWA dies and we get a clear.

In particular @WindwardAway I'd still like you to specifically say something like "if X flips wolf, I am going to target Y" shortly before EoD, and STICK TO THAT. This guarantees that if you die, we get a clear. Can you do this? (let me know if you have any questions about why this works).

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:54 am Nice

Indeed, tell me more.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:36 am I AM TOWN!

Since some of y'all seemed to have missed it

Tell me where your head is at.

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:48 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:13 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:00 pm I think I'd rather chop falcon->nook->neon->pyxxy
Tell me about Neon and their placement.
Neon's suspicion has come up recently whearas the two before her have kinda been here for a while

Ergo, I am more confident in the others. I also absolutely do not trust my ability to read neon

Would you mind casing Falcon and Nook for me then?

Read their their ISOs (both are reasonably short), if you feel the need to quote posts, do so. Convince me they're the next two rational chops.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:25 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:22 pm I'd like to remind everyone that

If we chop a wolf today, WWA can clear someone from the PoE tonight, which is HUGE.

So, today could really break the game open if we can do well. Also, under exactly zero circumstances should we ever end the day before WWA says something like

"If we flip a wolf here, I am going to target BLAH".
My worry is one shot mafia JK?

If falcon doesn't flip jk (which we won't know)

Can two jail keeps jail keep?

This is a fair point which I did not think through.

I'd like to remind everyone that

If we chop a wolf today, WWA can clear someone from the PoE tonight, which is HUGE.

So, today could really break the game open if we can do well. Also, under exactly zero circumstances should we ever end the day before WWA says something like

"If we flip a wolf here, I am going to target BLAH".

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:00 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:28 pm So yeah, I really thought about fakeclaiming doc when I saw Lily's claim, and I kinda wish I would have done it, but oh well.
Glad to know that town Seanzie is alive and well and y'all didn't hurt him while I was away.

If I wasn't actively trying to avoid my normal "throw shit, see what sticks, don't think too hard, damn the consequences" approach in order to prove that I am occasionally a competent player who can take a well-rounded approach that could be a good champs rep, I'd accuse Pyxxy of pocketing me and vote them right now.

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:00 pm I think I'd rather chop falcon->nook->neon->pyxxy

Tell me about Neon and their placement.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:55 pm @Seanzie @WindwardAway @Dennis how certain are we on Porscha in light of lily's flip?

I'm Mico tinfoiling in case the order I think we should go is incorrect or something.

I ISO'd Porscha with ctrl+f:Lily and Lily with ctrl+f:Porscha.

From a negative side, Porscha's D3 was quite bad, and there was at least one post where Porscha's like "but hey, what if there's a town RB?", which level 0 is super scummy, but honestly kinda feels too on the nose. Also Porscha goes from townread!Lily, to D2 short scumread!Lily, back to townread!Lily. @Porscha why did you drop your suspicion on Lily mid-D2?

From a positive side, in Porscha's ISO, it really does kind of look like Porscha for the most part is just trying to vibe with a friend, and Porscha confirming WIlgy/mine coversation about Lily helped me cement my thoughts on scum!Lily. In addition, there are a few posts from Lily that look pretty darn pockety, including a few while Porscha is scumreading Lily which kinda feels like Lily being like "no, keep the pocket, keep the pocket! Come on, get back in there!".

Porscha definitely lowers a few points from this exploration, but I'd like to still keep them north of null, and above the magical clear line for now.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:48 pm incredibly tight about this in a self-absorbed way honestly just hoping that I can throw a small tantrum here some people yell back and I shrivel up like the non-confrontational bean that I really am on the inside but like

literally the two posts in my ISO from D3 are:
- me saying I'm going to be gone
- me quoting my own post where I say I'm going to be gone

jesus christ

alright feeling a little better now

I do not anticipate a situation where we would need to hammer today, and lacking such a situation, I normally discourage hammers (except... sometimes I get hammer-happy... Not likely to happen this game though). I do think yesterday was a special case where almost all signs pointed to wolf!lily, but the wolves had an out (which is nice, the setup is actually quite well-thought-out) which given how people react to time could have benefitted wolves to sit on.

Unless someone CC's WWA, I could not see another situation where a hammer would be warranted IMO.

Ehh... maybe I shouldn't worry as much about the magical clear line today, because if we manage to hit a wolf tonight, WWA gives a clear (or ends the game), so it actually does behoove us to find the most likely wolf, as hitting a wolf today softlocks the game IMO.

Regardless, JJJ taught me (indirectly, I'm not cool enough for direct lessons from Jay) about the magical clear line (this is my phrasing, not his).

We are currently at 7v2. If we can collectively form a towncore of 5 people, and if we stick to that towncore, we win. Conversely, if we can form a PoE of 4 people, and we stick to that PoE, we win. Now, I am NOT at all suggesting we should just choose a PoE and elim through it, BUT, I am no longer as concerned with the exact PERSON we elim, and more concerned with who is above and who is below the magical clear line.

Does anyone have any issues with anyone above the magical clear line on my list? Does anyone believe someone should be moved up above the magical clear line (this is unnecessary, but it wouldn't hurt if we had one more above it).

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:35 pm Is neon just open wolfing at this point?

I think it might be lolcatting.

No sorting within groups.

WindwardAway

Porscha

Dennis
Sabiplz

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Magical Clear Line (not what you think)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
pyxxy

Neon
falcon45ca

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:33 pm Well technically both. I thought I answered you but I didn't see you asking me to answer you til after I hammered lol

Please quote the post where you feel like you answered me.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:13 pm @Seanzie how are you feeling about me now

Your energy yesterday strongly made me think you're town. I'm willing to push you up to north-of-null based off that alone. I did kind of think you were doc though, which seeing that you're not is meh for my read on you.

I'm about to do a sort list, which always helps me clarify my thoughts about people, so we'll see exactly where you end up, but right now I am willing to commit to north-of-null.

So yeah, I really thought about fakeclaiming doc when I saw Lily's claim, and I kinda wish I would have done it, but oh well.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:24 pm Imagine WWA's face

"WTF DO YOU MEAN WILGY IS A 2-SHOT DOCTOR? WHAT BASTARD SHIZ ARE WE PLAYING HERE?!?"

This is where we all discover the hidden 7th setup, because we ALL didn't scroll far enough to the right to see it.

Imagine WWA's face

"WTF DO YOU MEAN WILGY IS A 2-SHOT DOCTOR? WHAT BASTARD SHIZ ARE WE PLAYING HERE?!?"

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