The Syndicate

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:27 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:24 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:23 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:59 am Michelle, do you think Made is town?

No

Why?

Because

No -why.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:23 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:59 am Michelle, do you think Made is town?

No

Why?

Poison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:16 am anyways, I wanna look at other people cause i cannot be too sure about Koba who can actually have a chance of being a RBer

Ok. Look at made.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:24 am Yeah I agree. I have been intending to wagon Koba since that post and have mostly just been letting things play out. Koba is clearly outed mafia and should definitely be lolcatting but given that they chose not to then that's all the better for spew.

Sucks to be you @DkKoba.

oh im outted mafia? Case me bro - i wanna save it for post game

Oh lmfaoook you actually think me thinking creature was in the game while high as shit is a scumslip.

nah bro you gonna fall so badly on your face trying to say you caught me on a "slip"

Ive already rebutted that bullshit argument. Unless you think its wise to repeat d1?

Poison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:13 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:09 am

Poison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:06 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:02 am

Poison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:01 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:50 am My problem with sheeping Mac on a 3rd read is that a villager would always RB a mafia read as the best mechanical play @MacDougall please confirm me that a player with 5 years game experience would chases mafia and not 3rds in N1.
Choosing from Mac's reads exactly the 3rd part read is not only antitown, it's what mafia would do because they fear the most 3rds abilities who can cause a lot of harm to the wolves.

and this

Shes flipping scum eod and thats why she won't look at anyone but me here

i mean honestly, whatever she flips, i think you'd always have a case on you. if she flips, people will call this w/w [though unlikely] trying to distance each other or t/w genuine concern.

you have to come up with a better defense. I change my reads based on people's reaction. your reaction here is something that would probably fit the wolfy radar. how about you express your views on Michelle as unbiased as you can be [ i.e. without considering her case on yours]

Why does it fit "the wolfy radar"

because regardless of Michelle's alignment, she says a thing [mindmeld] that is 100% true, a mafia would always try to base their action in a way that aligns the IC's ways and draws less sus or cannot be questioned much. you calling that reasoning as "Shes flipping scum eod and thats why she won't look at anyone but me here" is a very scummy frustration

no it isnt
you're wrong

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:24 am Yeah I agree. I have been intending to wagon Koba since that post and have mostly just been letting things play out. Koba is clearly outed mafia and should definitely be lolcatting but given that they chose not to then that's all the better for spew.

Sucks to be you @DkKoba.

oh im outted mafia? Case me bro - i wanna save it for post game

Poison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:06 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:02 am

Poison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:01 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:50 am My problem with sheeping Mac on a 3rd read is that a villager would always RB a mafia read as the best mechanical play @MacDougall please confirm me that a player with 5 years game experience would chases mafia and not 3rds in N1.
Choosing from Mac's reads exactly the 3rd part read is not only antitown, it's what mafia would do because they fear the most 3rds abilities who can cause a lot of harm to the wolves.

and this

Shes flipping scum eod and thats why she won't look at anyone but me here

i mean honestly, whatever she flips, i think you'd always have a case on you. if she flips, people will call this w/w [though unlikely] trying to distance each other or t/w genuine concern.

you have to come up with a better defense. I change my reads based on people's reaction. your reaction here is something that would probably fit the wolfy radar. how about you express your views on Michelle as unbiased as you can be [ i.e. without considering her case on yours]

Why does it fit "the wolfy radar"

Michelle's reasoning for me being scum is *entirely* based on assumptions on what i *could be* doing rather than any actual treatment of other players in the game.
Its all *but look if theyre lying here*.
There's no way its honest because I've caught them several times not even reading my posts so they definitely aren't parsing what im saying.

Theres all this "could be" bullshit trying to be claimed as fact - and no consideration of what other motive i might have had.

Poison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:01 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:50 am My problem with sheeping Mac on a 3rd read is that a villager would always RB a mafia read as the best mechanical play @MacDougall please confirm me that a player with 5 years game experience would chases mafia and not 3rds in N1.
Choosing from Mac's reads exactly the 3rd part read is not only antitown, it's what mafia would do because they fear the most 3rds abilities who can cause a lot of harm to the wolves.

and this

Shes flipping scum eod and thats why she won't look at anyone but me here

Poison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:00 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:52 am I dont think anyone townreads koba for claiming their role rondo

honestly yes, it makes me more uneasy, i confirm his action but that puts him in a worse position imo. From two perspective of mine - his pun slip about me not being a poisoner was made without much thoughts ahead, but as a town he should not have claimed RBer when he could defend himself in many a ways. not like how he did it, or when he did it. second, i don't understand Town!RB er here taking thus actions as he claimed to have taken in the thread. sounds like making it up for being a valid reason no one can question about. The setup also makes me question something but it's a role madness so I wouldn't look at it through that lens.

Here's a huge fuckin hint; im not you.

michelle is intentionally not reading things because if she does it gives her less excuses to be uncharitable

Michelle, do you think Made is town?

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:50 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:56 pm last night i targeted poison bc i was too lazy to reread and mac said they were a 3p read and i hate all 3p so i went on it LMFAO

scotty/sig still on my scumdar

They claimed RBer later. Probably a claim close to their real role and they can say it is a way of claiming safe if they are villager to avoid a soup kill. Whether a soup kill exists or not, we don't really know it because 'Role/flavour claiming is allowed but it may not be in your best interests' doesn't imply an anticlaim mechanic that big, but mafia can have a claim vigi for eg.

My problem with sheeping Mac on a 3rd read is that a villager would always RB a mafia read as the best mechanical play @MacDougall please confirm me that a player with 5 years game experience would chases mafia and not 3rds in N1.
Choosing from Mac's reads exactly the 3rd part read is not only antitown, it's what mafia would do because they fear the most 3rds abilities who can cause a lot of harm to the wolves.

The LMFAO is added artificially to make the post appealing and coming like from an unstressed player, but i feel it fake and added to hide the awkward target of someone who should not be targeted by a town out of common sense.

The line of scum reads is performative and pushes Scotty who we know now is villager.

Dkkoba is mafia because from all Mac's reads they targeted the 3rd part read and made the post like an excuse. The last line is added to show themselves as solvy but is in fact a hidden push for Scotty. Idk what does for Sig but this is a concern after Dkkoba will flip.

That would be the proof number 2

Im gonna link this post in my sig post game if you end up flipping town LMFAO

You're so hyper focused on me today considering you will die. How about you sort *other* people instead of just focusing on me?

Yes there is michelle, i cant wait to see your flip too (;

some people are desperate to save Made i see

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:56 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:29 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:29 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:27 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:26 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:22 pm Learning tutuu’s alignment will resolve a lot of things. For many people. If she’s town, which a skim of her iso tells me (as I’m often nodding along with many of her reads), then there are a bevy of people trying to take her down. If she flips town, her reads are probably pretty spot on.
Her point about poison blowing up after being rolebocked last night is one that I agree with: it looks performative. In the ensuing back and forth that follows between the two, poison seems to do more poo slinging than defending. Maybe That is their defense. I dunno. But I give no brownie points to poison because of it.

it would be hilarious if i blocked a strong scum role LOL
Or even better, it was actually 3p ability

I guess we’ll see if there’s multiple kills tonight. I would gander that the poisoner role could be 3p, and you probably did not hit the 3rd party

I’m sure I’ll see this answered when i iso you, but why poison?

Mac said he 3p read the slot and i was tired so i was like *sheep* and then *sleep*

Why target the 3p anyway? They’re probably unlikely to be a problem until later. Shouldn’t we be hunting potential mafia, since there’s probably 5+ of them?

I hate 3p with a passion

Mafia is always doing 3p hunting, expressing hate for 3rds is a scumhunting activity for mafia while they can ignore the teammates and keep high activity.

You said you sheeped Mac. Why a player with experience is not playing by their own instincts?

your first statement is clearly contradicted by basic logic that 3p is not town ergo it is natural to speculate about 3p, but in case that is not enough. mac was the one who hunted the 3p, your statement is easily deconstructed there, especially since i just sheeped.

I already explained the second point multiple times(you are still showing you have not read all or at least most of my posts) (actually wtf you literally were the person i explained it to iirc) - like I said I was tired and didn't want to read for a target so i just sheeped mac

i stopped reading btw i got overwhelmed lol i wanna eventually get to a point where i have good info on every slot but like - yeah i think made is a good lim today if not 112.

TSP i saw that - why are you avoiding posting?

anyone there?

Michelle
Not terribly fond of the entrance. Very nervous in 13 and 24
30 - Traitor??



NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
84 - Nanook and Made are not partners


Sig



Tutuu
81 -OK I JUST CANT .. vibe with this ? like i feel the reaction is overblown here based on the post like if you’re curious you’re gonna be like “why?” so i feel there might have been 2-3 scum in that list if tutuu flips one of them
192 - also looks bad on 112 scum flip
198 - looks bad if made flips scum
209 - ?? hello you just said your theory was like contingent on town made so you would lean town on made here. Its waving the question away.
220 - master radishes town from this if tutuu scum, also feeds into tutuu trying to shield 112



Falcon45ca



Urist
171 - looks bad if 112 flips scum


RondoDimBuckle
130 - votes syn, going to read and pay attention to their progression because clearly at this point this is just for reaction if they are town.
137 - dropped the reaction test pretty fast and is engaging in friendly talk? what?
217 - scummy. Idk man. Itsj ust scummy!



EnderWiggin
159 - this on the other hand is a non bussing vote, especially seeing 112’s reaction to it later on in 161


Master Radishes
59 - towny post but not revealing the reason until postgame cuz it feels so absurd LMAO



Epignosis
95- towny in the sense like they were replying to scotty offering to not vote someone knowledgeable about the witcher and epi was just like “nah i dont know anything” like they didnt care about it and werent afraid to bring attention to themselves.



Made
77 - perspective slip bc like he is treating mac as if they are clear - they do become later so this brings up the question of TMI
125 - partner equity with 112
113- very very fillery
150 - definitely feels like a distancing vote. Like this dude is confused about the game right into placing a vote on 112? Yeah ok I think this dude was trying to look good if 112 went down because 112 looks very bad around this point.

Syn/BoKnows
145 -anti partner equity with 112 based on *what* they took as being able to put a vote there.



112
104 - why comment on that?
115- are they 3p? Why upset at those 2 particularly at that stage. Also if 112 is town those 2 are certainly not scum.
118 - calls the IC scum too at this point. Not liking this at all.
127 - holy shit this is so bad in light of the scotty reveal because it is so uncharitable
168 - kinda a mindmeld and they make sense …





Poison




Ruri





DrWilgy





TonyStarkPrime

fuk it imma post what i have so far bc i think there is something there but warning im high asf right now so some thought strings are really deep LMAO

yall im only on post 215 and i already have very good findings from just evaluating it all with the knowledge of the flips we already have

80 page read lets goooooo

OK READING TIME

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:46 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:44 pm hi im high asf rn ama

are you scum?

no im town roleblocker

hi im high asf rn ama

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:43 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:44 am not me - trust me

dont shoot me, chop me if u scumread me

@MacDougall @tedxtr

I really wish Ted had shit you instead

Still bugs me

shit

also im home but like i said earlier i wont be doing anything until 7pm est because i need a mental break before i dive in

oh i see why mac is a reflector

so doc cant target

but also, doc can target mac and self doc!!!!

big brain doc play

also i know I haven't said anythinf about made but i dont particularly townread them but also i remember them almost getting mislimed in bread mafia


so read pending my full game read

drugs are fun

https://mafiascum-closedgame.freeforums ... #post-6309
Just had a game finish for me :3
ISOs don't really work btw lol but for anyone who cares for meta

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:29 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:27 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:26 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:22 pm Learning tutuu’s alignment will resolve a lot of things. For many people. If she’s town, which a skim of her iso tells me (as I’m often nodding along with many of her reads), then there are a bevy of people trying to take her down. If she flips town, her reads are probably pretty spot on.
Her point about poison blowing up after being rolebocked last night is one that I agree with: it looks performative. In the ensuing back and forth that follows between the two, poison seems to do more poo slinging than defending. Maybe That is their defense. I dunno. But I give no brownie points to poison because of it.

it would be hilarious if i blocked a strong scum role LOL
Or even better, it was actually 3p ability

I guess we’ll see if there’s multiple kills tonight. I would gander that the poisoner role could be 3p, and you probably did not hit the 3rd party

I’m sure I’ll see this answered when i iso you, but why poison?

Mac said he 3p read the slot and i was tired so i was like *sheep* and then *sleep*

Why target the 3p anyway? They’re probably unlikely to be a problem until later. Shouldn’t we be hunting potential mafia, since there’s probably 5+ of them?

I hate 3p with a passion

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:26 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:25 pm i expect being able to do a full game read around 7pm est- imma record it and release the video post game so :3
but also maybe it will be very insightful.

gameing

What’s this now? Video recording?

For the post game unless i can post it during the game LOL

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:26 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:22 pm Learning tutuu’s alignment will resolve a lot of things. For many people. If she’s town, which a skim of her iso tells me (as I’m often nodding along with many of her reads), then there are a bevy of people trying to take her down. If she flips town, her reads are probably pretty spot on.
Her point about poison blowing up after being rolebocked last night is one that I agree with: it looks performative. In the ensuing back and forth that follows between the two, poison seems to do more poo slinging than defending. Maybe That is their defense. I dunno. But I give no brownie points to poison because of it.

it would be hilarious if i blocked a strong scum role LOL
Or even better, it was actually 3p ability

I guess we’ll see if there’s multiple kills tonight. I would gander that the poisoner role could be 3p, and you probably did not hit the 3rd party

I’m sure I’ll see this answered when i iso you, but why poison?

Mac said he 3p read the slot and i was tired so i was like *sheep* and then *sleep*

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:24 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:22 pm scotty is doing what is called gameing
also i get off work soon

j also thought that EoD was at 4pm est(in 28 minutes) bc i thought it was 36/12 so lol

Your prof pic looks like a strawberry shortcake on mobile, so I’m gonna call you Strawberry for short, since it’s easier to type than DKKoba

I haven’t even begun looking you up and down. Gonna need to walk a mile on the treadmill to warm up first

I stole it from spf to pocket her in bread maf :3

i expect being able to do a full game read around 7pm est- imma record it and release the video post game so :3
but also maybe it will be very insightful.

gameing

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:22 pm Learning tutuu’s alignment will resolve a lot of things. For many people. If she’s town, which a skim of her iso tells me (as I’m often nodding along with many of her reads), then there are a bevy of people trying to take her down. If she flips town, her reads are probably pretty spot on.
Her point about poison blowing up after being rolebocked last night is one that I agree with: it looks performative. In the ensuing back and forth that follows between the two, poison seems to do more poo slinging than defending. Maybe That is their defense. I dunno. But I give no brownie points to poison because of it.

it would be hilarious if i blocked a strong scum role LOL
Or even better, it was actually 3p ability

scotty is doing what is called gameing
also i get off work soon

j also thought that EoD was at 4pm est(in 28 minutes) bc i thought it was 36/12 so lol

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:32 pm great koba now look what you've done you made jpic angry

how are you gonna gaslight me like this

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:25 pm Dkkoba, until i can restart playing after work or in the morning please explain me how should a villager approach a game fypov, what are the traits of a player to receive a town read from you and tell me in few words why should I town read you in this game, ignoring meta and old games.
Tell me how many games you played until now, in how many sites and your favorite alignament please

To make it short- my complexity is what betrays my alignment here + pushing my townreads to the point of shielding them are typcially town traits. Reading me is difficult ~ but one has to only ask my thought p process on anything weird. Also up until a recent game where someone pointed it out, tiltclaiming is town indicative (I could be manipulating that rn but i genuinely did tilt claim bc theres enough potential votes against me i needed to claim anyways)
Also some have described town me when stirred having intense passion for the game where scum me doesnt. My effort is directly proportional to how much pressure I have had on my slot, so that is NAI.

I dont think its really possible to read me without meta in all honesty. Ive always been fosed d1 as town when on an alt.

I've played 5 years of chat mafia and 1.5 years of forum mafia. Fave alignment is scum but my fave role is mason :P


Im a complex player ~~~

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:20 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:16 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:14 pm not to toot my own horn but i've been surprisingly respectful all game
good job me

dont think the person who yelled about how i should be modkilled in a vastly unpleasant way should be saying this because i was referring to you partially lol

i wasn't yelling, you legitimately broke the rules lol

Seeing as i have suffered 0 consequences i actualy did not, and minmodding is unpleasant

people who fos me who should be left alone: michelle(reeval if they dont die) sig, falcon

Everyone else bears being instant poe after i flip

Im a strong scum - and yet no one except the ic has defended me.

Unless you think im a traitor roleblocker, you cannot think im scum here based on that i literally have 0 partner equity with people.

there should be at least 4 if not 5 scum here so hey.

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:14 pm not to toot my own horn but i've been surprisingly respectful all game
good job me

dont think the person who yelled about how i should be modkilled in a vastly unpleasant way should be saying this because i was referring to you partially lol

not a single person has tried to convince michelle im town which is frankly disappointing because town should be shielding other town

Michelle go reread how you treat other players vs how you treat me. You are blatantly tunneled. That is why i praised you (albeit backhandedly) for how you posted about others because it was actually *good analysis*

people can belittle me subtly all day and i am the one whos the bad person for being harsh about people's illogical takes on my slot.

love it here