The Syndicate

Im down with pressuring Rem

[VOTE: Rem] aubergine

Why is Epignosis Scum: Cape's Witchhunt
Eeeh or maybe not
1) First Red paragraph, who the fuck wolf reads someone else because they are bowling?
I'm actually conflicted here because yes, it could be scum grasping at straws to based their push on but... I see these kind of pushes from paranoid townies more often than not so.. yah scratch this, this is actually townie.

2) Second Red paragraph, scummy because he agreed with Zenon's town read on Robyn based on those exact posts earlier, so why did he push Cape90 for it if he liked them himself.

3) Fair, the first green, that was a hedging post from Cape90 so I believe it.

4) 3rd Red, calls out Cape90 for hedging, what is hedging about "Rem - tonally okay but that's where my opinions end.", I think that is very straight to the point that Cape90 that he had a soft town lean on Rem based on tone and that's it.

5) Second green, fair, that read on Zenon was... unsatisfactory.

I brought this big quote believing that I found scum mercilessly pushing Cape90 but after reading more in depth, I find townie posts from Epi so yah, scratch that, it is not as awolfy as I thought it was.

6) The pink paragraph I just face palmed myself, sorry Cape90 but that could be easily faked.
This solidifies my earlier read accusation of Epi knowing that Tutuu was town, at the time I thought it was the other way around though.
I'm not sure of it being powerwolfing anymore @Cape90 he made some valid points, I think you just scum read his ruthlessness when pushing you to be honest and trust me, when he OMGUSed me earlier I thought it was scum triggered by my posts and going on defensive mode but... I don't know anymore. I think he is just an aggro townie who scum reads those that suspect him because he can't think objectively when he is being pushed.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:48 pm Anyways

TR:

Guillotine
DrWilgy
robyn
Rem

maybe Zenon

SR:

Epignosis
tutuu

And in terms of pyxxy/Seanzie, I will just hold off but I think Seanzie's entrance and exit are more likely to be NAI for him then pyxxy's spread apart 2 posts

That said, we should use these reads as a guide to find whom had motivation to kill him as soon as possible even though he was terribly wrong about Tutuu (as I was too).

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:37 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:25 am I decidedim dropping the townread on guillo i decided its premature

Nah, I dont think they have Epi AND me in their towncore and they are simply reminding me of town!Guillo off meta + what i said earlier

They are my strongest TR easily

I actually had you and Epi in my towncore Cape90

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:39 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:46 pm I am at page 16 and I'm 98% sure Zenon is town here.

Zenon voters should be beat with a stick.

Though two of the Zenon voters are towny.

Cape is not a towny Zenon voter.

I will petition for my Cape wagon to return!

My votes - Epi and pyxxy

--------------------------------------------------------

Conclusion: I don't believe that Epignosis was unfair in suspecting Cape90 for his posts, was he a bit unfair? yes, but it was townie in a very fucked up aggro way.

I believe that if Epignosis is scum, it is because he had TMI that Tutuu was town, or for the inconsistency in the Robyn read case. Or for stating that he believes Seanzie, Cape90 and I are potential Zenon's partners but never voting Zenon, or for scum reading Zenon when he himself agreed with their read on Robyn, but not for his push on Cape90.

Rem wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 9:19 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 9:09 pm

Rem wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 9:07 pm If guillo flips town we kill epi

Simple

This is exactly the kind of dichotomies I don't want town to fall for.

-1 point for Rem

How does this point system work exactly? Do i start with 10 and it goes down? Do i start with 0? -1 is just a bit or a lot?

I need more information to take this seriously

No point system, it is a way for me to say this is the actual first wolfy post from you.

Rem wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 9:07 pm If guillo flips town we kill epi

Simple

This is exactly the kind of dichotomies I don't want town to fall for.

-1 point for Rem

Rem wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 9:07 pm If guillo flips town we kill epi

Simple

Yah? Why?

Why can't I be town who is wrong about Epi?

Yes! It is exactly what you think I'm accusing Epi for?

Epignosis knew Tutuu was town

Why is Epignosis Scum: The Tutuu Pocket

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 9:01 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:36 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:26 pm Rem and Robyn are mafia. Go.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:35 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:32 pm

Robyn seems towny to me though.

I agree with this.

probably slightly towny for epi. but he fooled me last time he was mafia so i need to be careful

This is the point where i started tunneling Tutuu for because, at the time I just thought Epi was just RvSing, I didn't look deeply into these interactions but it seemed weird to me to call Epi town for it.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:46 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:40 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:36 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:26 pm Rem and Robyn are mafia. Go.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:35 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:32 pm

Robyn seems towny to me though.

I agree with this.

probably slightly towny for epi. but he fooled me last time he was mafia so i need to be careful

What do you look for when you are finding me as mafia?

i dont have any tells for you

you writing those two posts back to back, seemingly logically contradicting each other, in a non-chalant way, is something that ive seen villagers do more often than wolves

No Tutuu, that was him pocketing Zenon agreeing with her read on Robyn for complete NAI reasons.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:50 pm Okay, that was a good laugh. Enough bowling talk. I don't think tutuu is mafia. I don't think robyn is mafia. I think Zenon is mafia.

That's my state.

And here after some bowling talk which is again not AI, he decides to call Tutuu town, Robyn town?? and then scum reads Zenon the person he agreed with on regards to Robyn???

I had thought there was more exchange between Tutuu and Epi that gave me the impression that both were pocketing each other, but in fact, it was just Tutuu townreading Epi based on vibes and Epi taking the townread, calling her town back and never look back until very later in the day.

He didn't question Tutuu's read of him, he just took it and pocketed Tutuu back! I can't believe how easy it was for Tutuu to get pocketed by Epi here.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:36 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:26 pm Rem and Robyn are mafia. Go.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:35 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:32 pm

Robyn seems towny to me though.

I agree with this.

probably slightly towny for epi. but he fooled me last time he was mafia so i need to be careful

This is the point where i started tunneling Tutuu for because, at the time I just thought Epi was just RvSing, I didn't look deeply into these interactions but it seemed weird to me to call Epi town for it.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:46 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:40 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:36 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:26 pm Rem and Robyn are mafia. Go.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:35 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:32 pm

Robyn seems towny to me though.

I agree with this.

probably slightly towny for epi. but he fooled me last time he was mafia so i need to be careful

What do you look for when you are finding me as mafia?

i dont have any tells for you

you writing those two posts back to back, seemingly logically contradicting each other, in a non-chalant way, is something that ive seen villagers do more often than wolves

No Tutuu, that was him pocketing Zenon agreeing with her read on Robyn for complete NAI reasons.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:50 pm Okay, that was a good laugh. Enough bowling talk. I don't think tutuu is mafia. I don't think robyn is mafia. I think Zenon is mafia.

That's my state.

And here after some bowling talk which is again not AI, he decides to call Tutuu town, Robyn town?? and then scum reads Zenon the person he agreed with on regards to Robyn???

I had thought there was more exchange between Tutuu and Epi that gave me the impression that both were pocketing each other, but in fact, it was just Tutuu townreading Epi based on vibes and Epi taking the townread, calling her town back and never look back until very later in the day.

He didn't question Tutuu's read of him, he just took it and pocketed Tutuu back! I can't believe how easy it was for Tutuu to get pocketed by Epi here.

Why is Epignosis scum: The Robyn read

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:35 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:32 pm

Robyn seems towny to me though.

I agree with this.

These series of posts happened in the first two pages, now check this out.

Epignosis agreed with Zenon early town read on Robyn, which I don't understand for BOTH, but the key point is that wolves take advantage of RvS to distance from each other and well Epignosis is def not distancing from Zenon here, he is pocketing Zenon!

Why?

These are Robyn's posts in question.
These posts from Robyn personally don't give me anything alignment indicative but yet, Epignosis agreed with Zenon's read on Robyn and yet, he had voted Robyn

So why did he vote Robyn then?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:27 pm [VOTE: Robyn] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 7:53 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:58 pm Like for example im paranoid about Zenon who is voting with me after i voiced a possible association with Epi with her. Questions come into mind such as:

Why is she sheeping me on Epi now?
Is this scum!Zenon trying to distance from Epi?
Or, is this town!Zenon who realized she is being set up by scum!Epi and voted there to kill that association.

Zenon is your teammate who saved you Day 1.

There's your answer.

So Cape90, Seanzie and now me are a team with Zenon, three players who happen to scum read you and not only that, the fact that you allegedly believe that Zenon could be scum with either of us and yet you choose to vote us instead of the common factor of your suspicion which is Zenon.

I'm starting to think this is deliberate and that Zenon is not your teammate.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 7:53 pm This particular post warrants scrutiny:

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 3:01 pm [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Im down with putting some pressure there.

Cape90 did suspect Zenon early and Epi voiced a suspicion on Zenon as well but chainsawed Cape90 for suspecting Zenon which is a very wtf moment.

I also thought that there was a wolf in Tutuu/Epi for the way they were pocketing each other yesterday but Tutuu's w/w reads were sooo non-sensical that i thought it couldnt possibly come from town and kinda forgot about Epi.

I am curious as to how tutuu and I were "pocketing" each other.

tutuu expressed a firm view of me as a civilian and was revealed to be a civilian.

I had my doubts about tutuu and expressed them, even voting tutuu at one point.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 3:01 pmBut Im seeing more signs that Epi could be a wolf here whom tried to misexe Cape90 and since he couldnt, he just had to kill him.

What are these signs that you are seeing "more of?" This implies that you are examining me and have found new evidence in the thread that I tried super hard lynch Cape90, failed at my task, went back into my chat with my tail between my legs and told my team, "You know what guys? I just couldn't get the job done today. We now have no choice this Night 1 but to kill Cape90. It's the only way."

Anybody who knows anything about me knows that's a knee slapper right there.

But that's not important. What's important is how this opinion can even exist if in fact Guillotine is a civilian. Behold:

Spoiler: show

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:00 pm Cape90
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Epignosis
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
Guillotine
5
33%
Voters: tutuu, falcon45ca, DrWilgy, Rem, pyxxy
pyxxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Rem
0
No votes
Voters: None
robyn
0
No votes
Voters: None
Seanzie
1
7%
Voters: Epignosis
tutuu
5
33%
Voters: Guillotine, Seanzie, Zenon, robyn, Cape90
Zenon
0
No votes
Voters: None
No elimination / Sleep
0
No votes
Voters: None
No vote / Unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None

We know tutuu is good.

The perspective in question here is that I'm mafia who tried to get Cape90 lynched and failed miserably.

If this is the case, and Guillotine is not mafia, then wouldn't I be equally satisfied (if not more satisfied) that two civilians were tied at the end of Day 1?

That's money right there. The gravy is that Cape90 voted tutuu, not Guillotine. Cape90 wouldn't be in my top five names to kill Night 1.

But again, the important takeaway is that, rather than say I'm mafia for being satisfied that two civilians are tied Day 1 and stayed on the sidelines by leaving my vote on Seanzie, Guillotine's interpretation is that I sucked at getting Cape90 lynched.

This is not an honest perspective. This do be a doo-doo take.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 3:01 pm I understand that he allegedly townread both Tutuu and I and that is his alibi for staying on Cape90 at EoD1, but the more i read his ISO the more the pieces fit if he is scum with either Zenon.

My vote was on Seanzie.

Therefore I'm left wondering how you can honestly think I required an alibi for staying on Cape90.

Circling back to the initial part of the post and considering my own reservations regarding Zenon (not to mention they are both voting me), I am looking forward to these thrilling developments.

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

I will get back to you on this shortly

Like for example im paranoid about Zenon who is voting with me after i voiced a possible association with Epi with her. Questions come into mind such as:

Why is she sheeping me on Epi now?
Is this scum!Zenon trying to distance from Epi?
Or, is this town!Zenon who realized she is being set up by scum!Epi and voted there to kill that association.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:45 pm I've been voting with Epi since near SOD, or whatever

you had a bunch of other concerns about me

but you only brought up me voting with Epi _after_ I moved off Seanzie

I think that's weird. because you seem like the type to notice everything. weird ≠ scummy. so like, did it just not occur to you to ask sooner?

No, it just occurred to me pointing out now, that is why i asked what your read on Epi was to see if you townread him enough to feel comfortable voting Seanzie with him, you said you didnt have a read on Epi, so i question where is your lack of paranoia with regards to Epi.
Im aware that you are not just sheeping Epi as you had clearly stated independent concerns about Seanzie, but now that you allegedly dont think Seanzie is scum, it is pertinent to look into Epi to see if his motivations are wolfy or not. No?

I also think you slipped when you accused Seanzie of catching no wolves, because Seanzie had been pressuring some people on day 1 but as you know, there are no scum flips so what makes you so certain that he has not caught any wolves yet in his reads?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:33 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:25 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:20 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:10 pm @pyxxy Tell me why you think Epi and Rem are town.

don't have reads on them

next question

You've slanked a bit in this game, care to let us know when you have read the 2-10 pages? Full context is important to take voting decisions unless you are the kind of player who thrives in detecting suspicioys micro tells.

Also wouldnt hurt if you checked Epi's ISO since you dont have a read on them and you were voting along side with them until you switched to Robyn,

we're building trust here

trust me that I'm very interested when I have time to pay attention, and the fact that you made a whole deal about me and Seanzie being paired or not paired and then sussing Seanzie for not going hard on me (um, until now, interestingly enough) is on my mind

and that means that being next to Epi was also on my mind

but you didn't bring that up until I moved off Seanzie

so what's up with that

I… dont follow, mind rephrasing your concern?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:22 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:17 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:50 pm oh the metaphor is https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/earned+his+stripes

Seanzie is saying "nah I'm right, you're scum, and when you flipped I'll be vindicated/look good/earn a towncore for it"

Which aged poorly as Tutuu flipped town.

What was your read on me day 1 and has it changed today?

none and not yet

Then why did you vote me yesterday then?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:20 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:10 pm @pyxxy Tell me why you think Epi and Rem are town.

don't have reads on them

next question

You've slanked a bit in this game, care to let us know when you have read the 2-10 pages? Full context is important to take voting decisions unless you are the kind of player who thrives in detecting suspicioys micro tells.

Also wouldnt hurt if you checked Epi's ISO since you dont have a read on them and you were voting along side with them until you switched to Robyn,

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:50 pm oh the metaphor is https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/earned+his+stripes

Seanzie is saying "nah I'm right, you're scum, and when you flipped I'll be vindicated/look good/earn a towncore for it"

Which aged poorly as Tutuu flipped town.

What was your read on me day 1 and has it changed today?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:21 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:08 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:05 am sean should be held to a high standard. he needs to do more than wrongly scumread me, if he is town. if he doesn't improve what he's doing - he's mafia

Oh, don't you worry, I am quite confident I am earning my stripes on this one.

Oh you meant this one?

I honestly dont understand the metaphor there, why is that post scummy, like can you explain in detail?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:34 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:33 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:30 pm Q:

is there a "typical" Epi playstyle

and if yes, does this game match it

I don't know.

Im gonna ask you again in case you missed it the first time.

What were the voteable posts from Seanzie?

I just quoted it above, which is the end of pressuring tutuu in a manner that I find to be Seanzie mimicking his town game, and which ends with that inauthentic finale

In that post you quoted it is Wilgy who posted that Tutuu read not Seanzie.

If you know where my home is, you can claim this collectible card there post game.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:30 pm Q:

is there a "typical" Epi playstyle

and if yes, does this game match it

I don't know.

Im gonna ask you again in case you missed it the first time.

What were the voteable posts from Seanzie?

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Im down with putting some pressure there.

Cape90 did suspect Zenon early and Epi voiced a suspicion on Zenon as well but chainsawed Cape90 for suspecting Zenon which is a very wtf moment.

I also thought that there was a wolf in Tutuu/Epi for the way they were pocketing each other yesterday but Tutuu's w/w reads were sooo non-sensical that i thought it couldnt possibly come from town and kinda forgot about Epi.

But Im seeing more signs that Epi could be a wolf here whom tried to misexe Cape90 and since he couldnt, he just had to kill him.
I understand that he allegedly townread both Tutuu and I and that is his alibi for staying on Cape90 at EoD1, but the more i read his ISO the more the pieces fit if he is scum with either Zenon.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 12:43 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:07 pm The Seanzie Challenge: Go through Seanzie's posts and find one (1) instance in which Seanzie asked me a question that wasn't issuing a busywork assignment or following up on a busywork assignment.

I've already explained why I asked Epi about Zenon's ISO. He deflects by calling it busywork, but it was not.

Go into Epi's ISO and ctrl+f "Sean". He is wolf and his push on me is clear wolf.

He votes me. Asks Tutuu why Tutuu is voting me. He finally gives a reason for voting me (because I had 3 posts and "If I can keep up with the thread, Sean can" Nah... everyone's life is different, this is BS, especially since he was seeing me wolf in a game where I was clearly active and engaged, so me not posting is wolfy? No.) Says I'm not good in another post but prefers Zenon. Says I looked at the thread and said "fuck this" (not true?). I then ask him to go through Zenon's posts and quote four of them with content (this is after seeing Epi claim Zenon had no content and was just posting fluff. Zenon posts a lot of fluff, but anyone who is actually giving her slot a fair shake can look through and easily find at least four posts of content, so this is a good exercise to see if Epi is actually giving Zenon a fair shake, or if Epi is pushing for miselims). Epi refuses. Epi continues to refuse, @ing falcon for some reason? I ask specifically if Epi was refusing or saying that Zenon had no content, and Epi says he is hosting a 16 year old's birthday party (likely true, but he is spending plenty of time in the thread at this point, so I don't see that as a valid reason since skimming an ISO to see if someone has 4 posts of content does not take more than a few minutes). He then votes me. I point out that he's spent way more lip service on avoiding doing it than doing it, and he continues to refuse. votes me again (btw, any time he has voted me, he hasn't given any reasons why, he just does it... unless you count the 3 post thing?). Now he is trying to push this as me giving him busywork, and saying that is wolfy. He then calls me a wolf without any explanation.

I asked Epi a rather simple question, and he refused to answer. It wasn't busywork, it was a useful tool to figure out why Epi was saying something that I don't think fit reality. He refused, continually. You can fault me for continuing to push here, but the one who is stopping fruitful discussion between us is EPI.

Epi's reasons to vote me

1. I had 3 posts at one point during D1, and

2. He claims what I asked him to do was busywork, without ever trying to engage with what I asked or consider the benefits of it.

Dude's bad.

Hmmm you know, i had an opposite thought about Epi's Zenon handling.

You say Epi is trying to push a misexe but if you read his ISO, he has had every reason to stay on Zenon but has ended up pivoting to other slots such as Cape90 and now you.

I think if anything scum!Epi could be distancing from scum!Zenon here but not strong enough to make it a bus. This could explain why Epi is reluctant to do the exercise with you and explain his suspicion on Zenon.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 1:11 am Seanzie just spent a lot of words summarizing (and sometimes inaccurately summarizing) everything I've said so far. Whatever. I don't care about the accuracy. See below:

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 12:43 am Epi refuses. Epi continues to refuse, @ing falcon for some reason?

The post in question is this one:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:00 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:45 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:41 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:35 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:29 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:23 am

I mean I would since 100/500 posts is quite literally 20%

Posts =/= content

Can you go through Zenon's ISO and point out four posts with actual content?

This guy bemoaning reading the thread handing out assignments.

Yup. Can you do it? It's a challenge.

I would prefer not to. @falcon45ca

At no point has Seanzie asked me a question to try to figure me out with respect to how I relate to other participants. Seanzie has asked plenty ABOUT me, but never anything directed TO me about anybody else that wasn't 1AM busywork.

Huge red flag that Seanzie already has a mind made up about me and is just making the posts fit the narrative. Seanzie doesn't want to engage with me.

But the falcon thing is a simple thing.

Seanzie could have said "Hey Epi, why did you mention falcon in that post?"

Seanzie didn't do that.

Instead, it's this:

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 12:43 am Epi refuses. Epi continues to refuse, @ing falcon for some reason?

Instead of trying to understand me, Seanzie accuses me, using something to bolster his accusation that he himself does not even understand.

That is why Seanzie is mafia.

@Epignosis

Do you think Zenon/Seanzie are wolf/wolf?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 12:04 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:38 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:30 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:26 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:11 am I would also vote Rem or Pyxxy (even though I'd like to hear from Pyxxy before I put all my eggs in that basket).

You wanna hear from the most uncooperative player even worse than Rem?

Check their ISO, dont you think that deserves a vote?

Who is "their"?

Pixxy’s

Pyxxy is being obscure, but not directly uncooperative. Outright refusing to address questions like Rem and Epi are doing is different than just being obscure.

however, Pyxxy is pretty much perma-PoE for their ISO.

Also, would you mind making an effort to spell their name right?

It's a short name but very hard to learn.

If they are perma-PoEd why do you wanna leave them for later then?

Cause that is the exactly the kind of slot that scum wanna leave for an F3 situation.

unironically I no longer think you are scum together because if I was right, you'd make efforts to distance from pyxxy instead of soft defending him further.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:38 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:30 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:26 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:11 am I would also vote Rem or Pyxxy (even though I'd like to hear from Pyxxy before I put all my eggs in that basket).

You wanna hear from the most uncooperative player even worse than Rem?

Check their ISO, dont you think that deserves a vote?

Who is "their"?

Pixxy’s

Pyxxy is being obscure, but not directly uncooperative. Outright refusing to address questions like Rem and Epi are doing is different than just being obscure.

however, Pyxxy is pretty much perma-PoE for their ISO.

Also, would you mind making an effort to spell their name right?

It's a short name but very hard to learn.

If they are perma-PoEd why do you wanna leave them for later then?

Cause that is the exactly the kind of slot that scum wanna leave for an F3 situation.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:26 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:15 am Here is a theory

Seanzie is scum who killed Cape90 because Cape suspected him and his partner Pixxy.
Seanzie is frustrated about Rem, Epi and myself playing the way we are but not Pixxy whom has been on autopilot all game.
Pixxy tmi slipped and Seanzie called it out but didnt vote there cause maybe he does not want to start a wagon on someone we could persuade ourselves voting.
I assume Seanzie townread me yesterday or they would have been on my wagon instead of Tutuu, so coming into day 2 he had no possible explanation of why he’d vote me today, then he took the bait and actually voted me after i reaction tested everyone.

And maybe he is frustrated because if he is eliminated he knows Pixxy will never win an f3 here.

I had no read of you yesterday.

Why would I be on your wagon instead of Tutuu, whom was clearly my biggest suspect D1?

Oh I assumed you townread me because of our mutual sus on Tutuu.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:26 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:11 am I would also vote Rem or Pyxxy (even though I'd like to hear from Pyxxy before I put all my eggs in that basket).

You wanna hear from the most uncooperative player even worse than Rem?

Check their ISO, dont you think that deserves a vote?

Who is "their"?

Pixxy’s

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:11 am I would also vote Rem or Pyxxy (even though I'd like to hear from Pyxxy before I put all my eggs in that basket).

You wanna hear from the most uncooperative player even worse than Rem?

Check their ISO, dont you think that deserves a vote?

Yag it is the only scenario where i think scum!Seanzie kills Cape90 here, if he is scum with pixxy.

Here is a theory

Seanzie is scum who killed Cape90 because Cape suspected him and his partner Pixxy.
Seanzie is frustrated about Rem, Epi and myself playing the way we are but not Pixxy whom has been on autopilot all game.
Pixxy tmi slipped and Seanzie called it out but didnt vote there cause maybe he does not want to start a wagon on someone we could persuade ourselves voting.
I assume Seanzie townread me yesterday or they would have been on my wagon instead of Tutuu, so coming into day 2 he had no possible explanation of why he’d vote me today, then he took the bait and actually voted me after i reaction tested everyone.

And maybe he is frustrated because if he is eliminated he knows Pixxy will never win an f3 here.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:56 am I am getting somewhat frustrated.

I feel like many people are playing in a wholly anti-town way. First Epi refusing to do a simple exercise to see if he is giving Zenon a fair shake, now Rem refusing to answer simple questions about their read on me. Guillo acting like this.

I think we need to chop these slots. If they're town, town deserves the misex. If they're mafia, good. Either way, their presence makes the game non-conducive to solving.

I am frustrated too, it should be obvious to you why im intentionally playing like this.

Sooo… Cape90 suspected 4 people yesterday.

Tutuu
Epignosis
Seanzie
Pixxy

Epignosis has every motive to kill Cape90 here and if i was scum!Epi in this situation i would try to pin it on one of the other players Cape90 suspected, which is what it could be happening now as Epi is pushing Seanzie.

Seanzie is someone Cape90 had doubts about and if it eas not because Cape90 was forced to choose between Tutuu and I, he could have ended up on Seanzie even if the vote didnt mean much. But i dont think Seanzie kills a player who was on Tutuu's wagon WITH HIM if he is scum because he can just make him look associated with him and setting him up as lynch bait.

Pixxy is the one Cape90 suspected the most after Epi. Tutuu townread Pixxy for the lack of playing while Cape90 scum read him for pretty much the same thing and even said they saw him (pix) flip scum playing like this. Does Pixxy fear kill Cape90? I dont know them to assess if they would but that is possible motive right there.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Got baited, discuss.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:36 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:22 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:15 am I meant to issue the following reminder when the day phase began:

Majority hammers are now active in the game. The current hammer is set to five (5) votes. If the hammer is reached please stop posting.

Oooh noooo! Im gonna die if i keep self voting and two people snap vote me!

If only this game got active to make me change my mind.

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

Guillo is at E-1.

Why did you?

If only people saw that pixxy tmi slipped.

If only people checked Wilgy's ISO and realize that he treated Tutuu like he knew she was town since the beginning.

If only people saw that Seanzie also called out pixxy's tmi slip but didnt vote him which is really weird.

If only people checked Robyn and My ISO's and notice we townread each other even though we never interacted with each other, maybe she is the one and im the one for her in this dating gane universe.

If only people saw that Cape90 of all people is a weird kill but no one reads into the most important kill in any game, the night 1 kill.


Oooooh nooo, what we gonna doooo

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:15 am I meant to issue the following reminder when the day phase began:

Majority hammers are now active in the game. The current hammer is set to five (5) votes. If the hammer is reached please stop posting.

Oooh noooo! Im gonna die if i keep self voting and two people snap vote me!

If only this game got active to make me change my mind.

See you in dead chat

Buh Buh Byyye!

This game is boringly dead.

[VOTE: Guillotina] aubergine

I rather die than being in a boring game

@pyxxy

How do you figure Seanzie caught zero wolves yesterday?

Considering I checked Seanzie's ISO and he does not even have a rainbow list or any list at all.

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 7:00 pm Night 1 has ended.

Cape90 was killed. He was a bad date, and

it was my fault. Town.

Cape90 was was another member of the graduate program that I had met a few times at board game nights hosted by mutual friends. She was cute, and I was feeling bold, so I asked her out. She was bashful in response, but still agreed. We got lunch a few days later. I don't really remember much about that lunch; I think I blacked out. It's all blank to me. All I can remember is that somehow, at some point in our awkward chatter, I found myself talking about something dramatically un-date-like.

9/11.

I avoided her in the hallways after that.

Spoiler: show

@Cape90
@DrWilgy
@Epignosis
@falcon45ca
@Guillotine
@pyxxy
@Rem
@robyn
@Seanzie
@Zenon

Day 2 begins now and will last 48 hours.

jesus

(I was right about town Cape)

So was I, unfortunately we don't get cred for correct townreads because scum can also do them.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:26 pm I tried to give tutuu space Day 1. I also tried to dig into the "You are behaving differently than I am accustomed to seeing" without tipping my hand while also giving tutuu room to work through doing something different if that was a conscious choice (which I now know was the case).

tutuu
5
33%
Voters: Guillotine, Seanzie, Zenon, robyn, Cape90

I immediately note that Zenon jumped from Guillotine to tuttu at the last possible moment, calling the vote in the thread after the poll locked. I'll start there.

I guess this is where Seanzie gets a half wish granted.

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:52 pm

Rem wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:45 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:44 pm

Rem wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:31 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:21 pm Why is this EoD so dead

Lt. Zenon i'm here and ready for take off, who do we kill?

I dunno Tutuu is town I dunno

You sure?

No but I'm pretty sure that last post she made was towny as fuck for her

6:52pm ET

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:59 pm Vote: Guillo

Never rand

6:59pm ET

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:00 pm Vote: Tutuu fuck

7:00pm ET

Vote cast right before the poll locked.

I just hosted a game in which mafia sealed the game by doing just this.

[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Was Zenon in that Mafia team?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:30 pm Now that I'm 98% over crying about losses in other games, what's goin on in heeeeeeeeeeeeeereh?

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

Fair, picture me flipping town, what's next?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:31 pm EoD was some tomfuckery methinks, but I do really need to review the game now that I think I can focus on it more.

This statement looks TMIish. Who were the towns in this fuckery towards EoD?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:37 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:31 pm EoD was some tomfuckery methinks, but I do really need to review the game now that I think I can focus on it more.

I wasn't around like I try to be, so I'm having to piece it together after the fact. Zenon's "tutuu is good but I'll vote there anyway before anybody can notice I done did it" stood out to me immediately.

Zenon the oft-boooooored one! I summon thee.

Wherefore didst thou forsake tutuu at the eleventh hour?

You mean this one?

Zenon could be faking hesitation and panic towards EoD there too.

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:52 pm No but I'm pretty sure that last post she made was towny as fuck for her

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:29 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 9:00 pm I'll make myself more legible today

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Care to elaborate on your vote?

I'm easing myself back into the game

your ISO felt voteable

Show me what felt deserving a vote, the exact posts please

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:41 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:37 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:31 pm EoD was some tomfuckery methinks, but I do really need to review the game now that I think I can focus on it more.

I wasn't around like I try to be, so I'm having to piece it together after the fact. Zenon's "tutuu is good but I'll vote there anyway before anybody can notice I done did it" stood out to me immediately.

Zenon the oft-boooooored one! I summon thee.

Wherefore didst thou forsake tutuu at the eleventh hour?

My understanding is that Rem and I were on the same wavelength when it came to putting Pyxxy, Tutuu and Guillo at a tie for fun.

BUT then I think it was a combo of Robyn and Zenon moving around that resulted in the votes getting wacky? Idk when the moves happened, but I jumped back to Guillo, Pyxxy wagon disappeared entirely and everything got all borked. I think someone was recording the movements as they happened, but that's all I'm immediately aware of.

So you started the fuckery towards EoD, Rem and Zenon followed suit, you disengage from the fuckery and Zenon and Rem continue on their own.



You do realize that you started the fuckery regardless thought, right?

and now you are pinning Zenon and Rem as responsible for it.

the plot thickens

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:26 pm I tried to give tutuu space Day 1. I also tried to dig into the "You are behaving differently than I am accustomed to seeing" without tipping my hand while also giving tutuu room to work through doing something different if that was a conscious choice (which I now know was the case).

tutuu
5
33%
Voters: Guillotine, Seanzie, Zenon, robyn, Cape90

I immediately note that Zenon jumped from Guillotine to tuttu at the last possible moment, calling the vote in the thread after the poll locked. I'll start there.

I guess this is where Seanzie gets a half wish granted.

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:52 pm

Rem wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:45 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:44 pm

Rem wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:31 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:21 pm Why is this EoD so dead

Lt. Zenon i'm here and ready for take off, who do we kill?

I dunno Tutuu is town I dunno

You sure?

No but I'm pretty sure that last post she made was towny as fuck for her

6:52pm ET

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:59 pm Vote: Guillo

Never rand

6:59pm ET

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:00 pm Vote: Tutuu fuck

7:00pm ET

Vote cast right before the poll locked.

I just hosted a game in which mafia sealed the game by doing just this.

[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Why would mafia ever play like I did at EoD lol

I explained why, what do you think about that?

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:56 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:41 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:37 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:31 pm EoD was some tomfuckery methinks, but I do really need to review the game now that I think I can focus on it more.

I wasn't around like I try to be, so I'm having to piece it together after the fact. Zenon's "tutuu is good but I'll vote there anyway before anybody can notice I done did it" stood out to me immediately.

Zenon the oft-boooooored one! I summon thee.

Wherefore didst thou forsake tutuu at the eleventh hour?

My understanding is that Rem and I were on the same wavelength when it came to putting Pyxxy, Tutuu and Guillo at a tie for fun.

BUT then I think it was a combo of Robyn and Zenon moving around that resulted in the votes getting wacky? Idk when the moves happened, but I jumped back to Guillo, Pyxxy wagon disappeared entirely and everything got all borked. I think someone was recording the movements as they happened, but that's all I'm immediately aware of.

I hate Rands and will do anything to prevent them

If that is the case why didn't you stay on mine?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:07 pm The Seanzie Challenge: Go through Seanzie's posts and find one (1) instance in which Seanzie asked me a question that wasn't issuing a busywork assignment or following up on a busywork assignment.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 12:22 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 12:18 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:29 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 9:00 pm I'll make myself more legible today

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Care to elaborate on your vote?

I'm easing myself back into the game

your ISO felt voteable

Tell me more. What about my ISO is "voteable"?

I just played a game with you where you caught 2 wolves in your rainbow reads list on D1. You've caught zero wolves here. My logic is infallible.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 1:23 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 12:46 am So Seanzie himself cannot pass The Seanzie Challenge.

Your Seanzie challenge is agenda'd bs.

YOU REFUSED TO ENGAGE WITH ME. Not the other way around.

You haven't asked me ANY questions, you just blind vote me, and the suggest me not asking you multiple follow up questions after YOU REFUSE TO ENGAGE WITH ME is wolfy?

Nah. Just no. This is agenda.

These two are either tvt or scum doing theater.

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:24 pm I'm just here to talk to Rem and hate myself at this point

Why do you hate yourself?

Examples of scum having full control of the game yesterday
If these two were scum, they were completely relaxed about the outcome of the game that guarantees a town elimination here.

If Zenon is scum, they switching from me to Tutuu makes it look like they tried to save me last minute which makes me look completely associated with them should Zenon die first and Rem looks like they tried to outplay Zenon's snipe attempt making it look like they are completely unaligned.

The biased take

Guillo must not be eliminated because he is town.

Knowing that yesterday's wagons were Town vs Town means either of these two things:

1) Town is imploding
or
2) Scum had full control of the game.

Also letting it rand in a tie was the best outcome for scum cause no one is responsible for Tutuu's death that way. We shouldn't let ties be resolved by RNG, force players to take a stance and hold them accountable for their votes on the losing wagon.

The unbiased take

I know that yesterday's wagons were TvT but you don't and you will never know until I get eliminated.

If I was not me I'd be promoting Guillo's elimination so we can get a clear picture of day 1.

Guillo being town means scum are not gonna kill him because he was Tutuu's CC, whom he tunneled to her death, Guillo is the lynch bait, scum will never kill him.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 3:35 am And now I feel I was the unlucky one for winning that tie because not only I was wrong about Tutuu but I also have to prove my innocence now while I reevaluate the game.

For a second time

Because when I saw Tutuu's flip when I could check my phone, guess who I ISOed and convince myself that he was a wolf pocketing me.

Cape90

I was convinced that Cape90 was just scum who had TMI that I was town because he never townread me easily before, that he pocketed me and gave me false positive support to eliminate Tutuu...

And then he is killed...

And now I feel I was the unlucky one for winning that tie because not only I was wrong about Tutuu but I also have to prove my innocence now while I reevaluate the game.

Knowing that yesterday's wagons were TvT takes a toll in my confidence to solve this game.

I was so convinced that Tutuu was scum that it didn't matter it I was eliminated yesterday cause I felt I did my job.

I have a biased and an unbiased take on this game right now.