JJJ's Bad First Dates Mafia [END]

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I would also vote Rem or Pyxxy (even though I'd like to hear from Pyxxy before I put all my eggs in that basket).

Rem is the player in this game I would kill myself for. She is town. Bet. Killing her is a waste of an exe and helps us none. Bet.

imaigne say "elim this pls" and not voting me tho

Well than they'd have blood on their hands

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Can't have that

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Dorothy
Blanche
Sophia

if game is not over perhaps Rose

Yeah Rose is sus

True fuck her honestly

Do you mean this in a gently way or the hard way? D:

It's a secret

[pyxxy]

I am getting somewhat frustrated.

I feel like many people are playing in a wholly anti-town way. First Epi refusing to do a simple exercise to see if he is giving Zenon a fair shake, now Rem refusing to answer simple questions about their read on me. Guillo acting like this.

I think we need to chop these slots. If they're town, town deserves the misex. If they're mafia, good. Either way, their presence makes the game non-conducive to solving.

hey

I'm also playing anti-town

gimme my credit

[pyxxy]

@Guillotine this is the game where Cape caught me D1
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/39251

I want to put "caught" in quotes so bad

I respectfully maintain that I was chopped for NAI activity reasons

Michelle carried me hard and I didn't deserve any part of the eventual win

[pyxxy]

sean should be held to a high standard. he needs to do more than wrongly scumread me, if he is town. if he doesn't improve what he's doing - he's mafia

Oh, don't you worry, I am quite confident I am earning my stripes on this one.

[pyxxy]

Q:

is there a "typical" Epi playstyle

and if yes, does this game match it

[Guillotine]

Q:

is there a "typical" Epi playstyle

and if yes, does this game match it

I don't know.

Im gonna ask you again in case you missed it the first time.

What were the voteable posts from Seanzie?

[pyxxy]

Cape Wolf
Falcon Town
Robyn Wolf
Rem Town
Tutuu Town
Epi Town

Can you tell me how you arrived at reads 1, 2, 5 and 6?

1. Cape established a copying pattern which I find mafia more likely to do, in addition cape hasn't shown town.
2. Falcon hasn't gone to hide yet so he's town.
5. Tutuu is pushing content harder than a wombat with a number fetish, which is at least pro town + gut read.
6. W Epi feels stale. This Epi doesn't feel stale. Gut read mostly.

2) Really? Cause when we were interacting and I was promoting pressure for Seanzie, Falcon shaded me and then bug the hell out and then came back with a naked vote, so they have been hiding

Falcon literally anime gif'd. They aren't hiding.

He will be gone for the weekend tho, Rock n Roll duties call



https://www.dogpatchmusicfest.com/lineup/smokewagon

ah, no falcon until tomorrow, if that

hopefully he'll find time to vote, because he's def town and we might need it

[pyxxy]

Q:

is there a "typical" Epi playstyle

and if yes, does this game match it

I don't know.

Im gonna ask you again in case you missed it the first time.

What were the voteable posts from Seanzie?

I just quoted it above, which is the end of pressuring tutuu in a manner that I find to be Seanzie mimicking his town game, and which ends with that inauthentic finale

[Guillotine]

Spoiler: show

If you know where my home is, you can claim this collectible card there post game.

[pyxxy]

in other words

I'm being obscure to annoy you

[pyxxy]

ooooo shiny

[pyxxy]

this is where I hedge my Seanzie read

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but I haven't seen someone I want to vote more yet

reminder that I was not kidding when I said I didn't read pages 2-10 or whatever it was

anything that I've seen from there is gonna be when I read ISOs

[pyxxy]

maybe I'll have to wait for Seanzie to answer my Epi question

[Guillotine]

Q:

is there a "typical" Epi playstyle

and if yes, does this game match it

I don't know.

Im gonna ask you again in case you missed it the first time.

What were the voteable posts from Seanzie?

I just quoted it above, which is the end of pressuring tutuu in a manner that I find to be Seanzie mimicking his town game, and which ends with that inauthentic finale

In that post you quoted it is Wilgy who posted that Tutuu read not Seanzie.

[pyxxy]

Q:

is there a "typical" Epi playstyle

and if yes, does this game match it

I don't know.

Im gonna ask you again in case you missed it the first time.

What were the voteable posts from Seanzie?

I just quoted it above, which is the end of pressuring tutuu in a manner that I find to be Seanzie mimicking his town game, and which ends with that inauthentic finale

In that post you quoted it is Wilgy who posted that Tutuu read not Seanzie.

this post?

sean should be held to a high standard. he needs to do more than wrongly scumread me, if he is town. if he doesn't improve what he's doing - he's mafia

Oh, don't you worry, I am quite confident I am earning my stripes on this one.

the post where tutuu says sean is scum if wrong again in the future?

say yes again and ill read the whole page that it's on, not trying to be annoying or doubt you blindly

[Guillotine]

sean should be held to a high standard. he needs to do more than wrongly scumread me, if he is town. if he doesn't improve what he's doing - he's mafia

Oh, don't you worry, I am quite confident I am earning my stripes on this one.

Oh you meant this one?

I honestly dont understand the metaphor there, why is that post scummy, like can you explain in detail?

[pyxxy]

sean should be held to a high standard. he needs to do more than wrongly scumread me, if he is town. if he doesn't improve what he's doing - he's mafia

Oh, don't you worry, I am quite confident I am earning my stripes on this one.

Oh you meant this one?

I honestly dont understand the metaphor there, why is that post scummy, like can you explain in detail?

seanzie tunnels quite often as town, sometimes he's right, sometimes he's wrong, the activity itself is NAI

scum!seanzie knows that he needs to find a case or he'll get caught for "being polarized", is what my gut tells me about scum!Seanzie

writing this made me curious when I remembered scum Seanzie getting caught on D1, going to try and find that

update: well now I see that dont starve just ended and Seanzie was scum so that seems much more pertinent, brb

[pyxxy]

oh the metaphor is https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/earned+his+stripes

Seanzie is saying "nah I'm right, you're scum, and when you flipped I'll be vindicated/look good/earn a towncore for it"

[pyxxy]

@Seanzie I know this is from another game and you were wolfing there but

Nah, Porscha's town.

why

I have a secret tell on Porscha that hasn't been wrong yet, even before she broke out of her volume-tell issue. I'd rather not say what it is because I've been able to catch her off like 3 posts a few times, and I can usually find her town very quickly when she is town.

is this actually true or were u wolfing

[pyxxy]

hm no okay, dont starve seanzie tastes different

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

this seanzie really is lost rn

[pyxxy]

[VOTE: Robyn] aubergine

look, a distraction

[Seanzie]

maybe I'll have to wait for Seanzie to answer my Epi question

Presumably you mean this one, which wasn't addressed to anyone, but it seems now you want me to answer it? Sure.

Q:

is there a "typical" Epi playstyle

and if yes, does this game match it

No, not really, but I feel like I've had a good read on him. Since my time on TS, Epi is not someone who played a lot (recently he seems to be playing a lot more though), so I've probably only played 4-5 games from him. Our first game together was my first game on the site and he was a wolf and came for me hard, and I fought back and we ended up winning handedly after a 1-shot cop eventually confirmed that me/him was not t/t, but that i was indeed right on Epi. Our second game was a game where Epi was fully roleplaying as the main character from Fallout 2, posting only in pipboy notes. He was town and heavily suspected me. I was town (repped in on like D3 after 2 other people were in my slot) and didn't find him, but didn't sus him hard (iirc) prior to his death. We wolfed together once (and won handedly - partially by doing quite a bit of theatre). There was a game recently that he was scum and I called him out for it and got D1'd (him and Delta went on to win), and those are all the games I can remember that him and I played together. There isn't a specific pattern to how he plays (no "typical" playstyle), but I feel reasonably good about my ability to read him.

Why are you asking about if Epi has a "typical" playstyle with no mention of alignments?

[Seanzie]

oh the metaphor is https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/earned+his+stripes

Seanzie is saying "nah I'm right, you're scum, and when you flipped I'll be vindicated/look good/earn a towncore for it"

Question is: Do you believe I believed it or not?

[Seanzie]

@Seanzie I know this is from another game and you were wolfing there but

Nah, Porscha's town.

why

I have a secret tell on Porscha that hasn't been wrong yet, even before she broke out of her volume-tell issue. I'd rather not say what it is because I've been able to catch her off like 3 posts a few times, and I can usually find her town very quickly when she is town.

is this actually true or were u wolfing

Both.

It is true that I have a tell on Porscha that hasn't been wrong since I thought of it (not gonna say it's infallible - and I'd forget about it in a FX situation, but it has led to some pretty quick reads on her that thus far have been accurate), and there were things in her ISO at that point that if I was town, I would have pushed her for. Instead, as a wolf, I pretended like those things weren't there, and used it to shield her.

[Seanzie]

@pyxxy Tell me why you think Epi and Rem are town.

[Guillotine]

oh the metaphor is https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/earned+his+stripes

Seanzie is saying "nah I'm right, you're scum, and when you flipped I'll be vindicated/look good/earn a towncore for it"

Which aged poorly as Tutuu flipped town.

What was your read on me day 1 and has it changed today?

[pyxxy]

maybe I'll have to wait for Seanzie to answer my Epi question

Presumably you mean this one, which wasn't addressed to anyone, but it seems now you want me to answer it? Sure.

Q:

is there a "typical" Epi playstyle

and if yes, does this game match it

No, not really, but I feel like I've had a good read on him. Since my time on TS, Epi is not someone who played a lot (recently he seems to be playing a lot more though), so I've probably only played 4-5 games from him. Our first game together was my first game on the site and he was a wolf and came for me hard, and I fought back and we ended up winning handedly after a 1-shot cop eventually confirmed that me/him was not t/t, but that i was indeed right on Epi. Our second game was a game where Epi was fully roleplaying as the main character from Fallout 2, posting only in pipboy notes. He was town and heavily suspected me. I was town (repped in on like D3 after 2 other people were in my slot) and didn't find him, but didn't sus him hard (iirc) prior to his death. We wolfed together once (and won handedly - partially by doing quite a bit of theatre). There was a game recently that he was scum and I called him out for it and got D1'd (him and Delta went on to win), and those are all the games I can remember that him and I played together. There isn't a specific pattern to how he plays (no "typical" playstyle), but I feel reasonably good about my ability to read him.

Why are you asking about if Epi has a "typical" playstyle with no mention of alignments?

why does me not mentioning alignments mean jack shit here

[pyxxy]

oh the metaphor is https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/earned+his+stripes

Seanzie is saying "nah I'm right, you're scum, and when you flipped I'll be vindicated/look good/earn a towncore for it"

Question is: Do you believe I believed it or not?

I'm processing that, but at this point, no I don't think you believed it but currently I have you as town anyway

have fun deciphering that

[Seanzie]

maybe I'll have to wait for Seanzie to answer my Epi question

Presumably you mean this one, which wasn't addressed to anyone, but it seems now you want me to answer it? Sure.

Q:

is there a "typical" Epi playstyle

and if yes, does this game match it

No, not really, but I feel like I've had a good read on him. Since my time on TS, Epi is not someone who played a lot (recently he seems to be playing a lot more though), so I've probably only played 4-5 games from him. Our first game together was my first game on the site and he was a wolf and came for me hard, and I fought back and we ended up winning handedly after a 1-shot cop eventually confirmed that me/him was not t/t, but that i was indeed right on Epi. Our second game was a game where Epi was fully roleplaying as the main character from Fallout 2, posting only in pipboy notes. He was town and heavily suspected me. I was town (repped in on like D3 after 2 other people were in my slot) and didn't find him, but didn't sus him hard (iirc) prior to his death. We wolfed together once (and won handedly - partially by doing quite a bit of theatre). There was a game recently that he was scum and I called him out for it and got D1'd (him and Delta went on to win), and those are all the games I can remember that him and I played together. There isn't a specific pattern to how he plays (no "typical" playstyle), but I feel reasonably good about my ability to read him.

Why are you asking about if Epi has a "typical" playstyle with no mention of alignments?

why does me not mentioning alignments mean jack shit here

You don't care if Epi looks like his typical wolf self vs typical town self?

[pyxxy]

@pyxxy Tell me why you think Epi and Rem are town.

don't have reads on them

next question

[pyxxy]

maybe I'll have to wait for Seanzie to answer my Epi question

Presumably you mean this one, which wasn't addressed to anyone, but it seems now you want me to answer it? Sure.

Q:

is there a "typical" Epi playstyle

and if yes, does this game match it

No, not really, but I feel like I've had a good read on him. Since my time on TS, Epi is not someone who played a lot (recently he seems to be playing a lot more though), so I've probably only played 4-5 games from him. Our first game together was my first game on the site and he was a wolf and came for me hard, and I fought back and we ended up winning handedly after a 1-shot cop eventually confirmed that me/him was not t/t, but that i was indeed right on Epi. Our second game was a game where Epi was fully roleplaying as the main character from Fallout 2, posting only in pipboy notes. He was town and heavily suspected me. I was town (repped in on like D3 after 2 other people were in my slot) and didn't find him, but didn't sus him hard (iirc) prior to his death. We wolfed together once (and won handedly - partially by doing quite a bit of theatre). There was a game recently that he was scum and I called him out for it and got D1'd (him and Delta went on to win), and those are all the games I can remember that him and I played together. There isn't a specific pattern to how he plays (no "typical" playstyle), but I feel reasonably good about my ability to read him.

Why are you asking about if Epi has a "typical" playstyle with no mention of alignments?

why does me not mentioning alignments mean jack shit here

You don't care if Epi looks like his typical wolf self vs typical town self?

You thought that asking about playstyle didn't imply that at all?

did the word typical do nothing in that question for you

the concept of being polarized an oft discussed topic here, so like, *gestures at the whole website*

[Seanzie]

@pyxxy Tell me why you think Epi and Rem are town.

don't have reads on them

next question

Why would you compare me bagging 2 wolves in my bottom four from last game, and saying here I didn't do that here?

[pyxxy]

oh the metaphor is https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/earned+his+stripes

Seanzie is saying "nah I'm right, you're scum, and when you flipped I'll be vindicated/look good/earn a towncore for it"

Which aged poorly as Tutuu flipped town.

What was your read on me day 1 and has it changed today?

none and not yet

[pyxxy]

@pyxxy Tell me why you think Epi and Rem are town.

don't have reads on them

next question

Why would you compare me bagging 2 wolves in my bottom four from last game, and saying here I didn't do that here?

because I know that it's a nonsense point to bring up, which little to no validity from game to game, not even getting into alignment vs alignment for reading you

[pyxxy]

(still no color reads list here tho )

[Guillotine]

@pyxxy Tell me why you think Epi and Rem are town.

don't have reads on them

next question

You've slanked a bit in this game, care to let us know when you have read the 2-10 pages? Full context is important to take voting decisions unless you are the kind of player who thrives in detecting suspicioys micro tells.

Also wouldnt hurt if you checked Epi's ISO since you dont have a read on them and you were voting along side with them until you switched to Robyn,

[Guillotine]

oh the metaphor is https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/earned+his+stripes

Seanzie is saying "nah I'm right, you're scum, and when you flipped I'll be vindicated/look good/earn a towncore for it"

Which aged poorly as Tutuu flipped town.

What was your read on me day 1 and has it changed today?

none and not yet

Then why did you vote me yesterday then?

[pyxxy]

oh the metaphor is https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/earned+his+stripes

Seanzie is saying "nah I'm right, you're scum, and when you flipped I'll be vindicated/look good/earn a towncore for it"

Which aged poorly as Tutuu flipped town.

What was your read on me day 1 and has it changed today?

none and not yet

Then why did you vote me yesterday then?

tutuu was town

oh sorry, that's a TMI slip

tutuu was town to me

[pyxxy]

@pyxxy Tell me why you think Epi and Rem are town.

don't have reads on them

next question

You've slanked a bit in this game, care to let us know when you have read the 2-10 pages? Full context is important to take voting decisions unless you are the kind of player who thrives in detecting suspicioys micro tells.

Also wouldnt hurt if you checked Epi's ISO since you dont have a read on them and you were voting along side with them until you switched to Robyn,

we're building trust here

trust me that I'm very interested when I have time to pay attention, and the fact that you made a whole deal about me and Seanzie being paired or not paired and then sussing Seanzie for not going hard on me (um, until now, interestingly enough) is on my mind

and that means that being next to Epi was also on my mind

but you didn't bring that up until I moved off Seanzie

so what's up with that

[Guillotine]

@pyxxy Tell me why you think Epi and Rem are town.

don't have reads on them

next question

You've slanked a bit in this game, care to let us know when you have read the 2-10 pages? Full context is important to take voting decisions unless you are the kind of player who thrives in detecting suspicioys micro tells.

Also wouldnt hurt if you checked Epi's ISO since you dont have a read on them and you were voting along side with them until you switched to Robyn,

we're building trust here

trust me that I'm very interested when I have time to pay attention, and the fact that you made a whole deal about me and Seanzie being paired or not paired and then sussing Seanzie for not going hard on me (um, until now, interestingly enough) is on my mind

and that means that being next to Epi was also on my mind

but you didn't bring that up until I moved off Seanzie

so what's up with that

I… dont follow, mind rephrasing your concern?

[pyxxy]

I've been voting with Epi since near SOD, or whatever

you had a bunch of other concerns about me

but you only brought up me voting with Epi _after_ I moved off Seanzie

I think that's weird. because you seem like the type to notice everything. weird ≠ scummy. so like, did it just not occur to you to ask sooner?

[Guillotine]

I've been voting with Epi since near SOD, or whatever

you had a bunch of other concerns about me

but you only brought up me voting with Epi _after_ I moved off Seanzie

I think that's weird. because you seem like the type to notice everything. weird ≠ scummy. so like, did it just not occur to you to ask sooner?

No, it just occurred to me pointing out now, that is why i asked what your read on Epi was to see if you townread him enough to feel comfortable voting Seanzie with him, you said you didnt have a read on Epi, so i question where is your lack of paranoia with regards to Epi.
Im aware that you are not just sheeping Epi as you had clearly stated independent concerns about Seanzie, but now that you allegedly dont think Seanzie is scum, it is pertinent to look into Epi to see if his motivations are wolfy or not. No?

I also think you slipped when you accused Seanzie of catching no wolves, because Seanzie had been pressuring some people on day 1 but as you know, there are no scum flips so what makes you so certain that he has not caught any wolves yet in his reads?

[Guillotine]

Like for example im paranoid about Zenon who is voting with me after i voiced a possible association with Epi with her. Questions come into mind such as:

Why is she sheeping me on Epi now?
Is this scum!Zenon trying to distance from Epi?
Or, is this town!Zenon who realized she is being set up by scum!Epi and voted there to kill that association.

[DrWilgy]

Piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiickle

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'm drunk who's wolf

[Epignosis]

This particular post warrants scrutiny:

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Im down with putting some pressure there.

Cape90 did suspect Zenon early and Epi voiced a suspicion on Zenon as well but chainsawed Cape90 for suspecting Zenon which is a very wtf moment.

I also thought that there was a wolf in Tutuu/Epi for the way they were pocketing each other yesterday but Tutuu's w/w reads were sooo non-sensical that i thought it couldnt possibly come from town and kinda forgot about Epi.

I am curious as to how tutuu and I were "pocketing" each other.

tutuu expressed a firm view of me as a civilian and was revealed to be a civilian.

I had my doubts about tutuu and expressed them, even voting tutuu at one point.

But Im seeing more signs that Epi could be a wolf here whom tried to misexe Cape90 and since he couldnt, he just had to kill him.

What are these signs that you are seeing "more of?" This implies that you are examining me and have found new evidence in the thread that I tried super hard lynch Cape90, failed at my task, went back into my chat with my tail between my legs and told my team, "You know what guys? I just couldn't get the job done today. We now have no choice this Night 1 but to kill Cape90. It's the only way."

Anybody who knows anything about me knows that's a knee slapper right there.

But that's not important. What's important is how this opinion can even exist if in fact Guillotine is a civilian. Behold:

Spoiler: show

Cape90
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Epignosis
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
Guillotine
5
33%
Voters: tutuu, falcon45ca, DrWilgy, Rem, pyxxy
pyxxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Rem
0
No votes
Voters: None
robyn
0
No votes
Voters: None
Seanzie
1
7%
Voters: Epignosis
tutuu
5
33%
Voters: Guillotine, Seanzie, Zenon, robyn, Cape90
Zenon
0
No votes
Voters: None
No elimination / Sleep
0
No votes
Voters: None
No vote / Unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None

We know tutuu is good.

The perspective in question here is that I'm mafia who tried to get Cape90 lynched and failed miserably.

If this is the case, and Guillotine is not mafia, then wouldn't I be equally satisfied (if not more satisfied) that two civilians were tied at the end of Day 1?

That's money right there. The gravy is that Cape90 voted tutuu, not Guillotine. Cape90 wouldn't be in my top five names to kill Night 1.

But again, the important takeaway is that, rather than say I'm mafia for being satisfied that two civilians are tied Day 1 and stayed on the sidelines by leaving my vote on Seanzie, Guillotine's interpretation is that I sucked at getting Cape90 lynched.

This is not an honest perspective. This do be a doo-doo take.

I understand that he allegedly townread both Tutuu and I and that is his alibi for staying on Cape90 at EoD1, but the more i read his ISO the more the pieces fit if he is scum with either Zenon.

My vote was on Seanzie.

Therefore I'm left wondering how you can honestly think I required an alibi for staying on Cape90.

Circling back to the initial part of the post and considering my own reservations regarding Zenon (not to mention they are both voting me), I am looking forward to these thrilling developments.

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

[Epignosis]

Like for example im paranoid about Zenon who is voting with me after i voiced a possible association with Epi with her. Questions come into mind such as:

Why is she sheeping me on Epi now?
Is this scum!Zenon trying to distance from Epi?
Or, is this town!Zenon who realized she is being set up by scum!Epi and voted there to kill that association.

Zenon is your teammate who saved you Day 1.

There's your answer.

[Epignosis]

I would also vote Rem or Pyxxy (even though I'd like to hear from Pyxxy before I put all my eggs in that basket).

Rem is the player in this game I would kill myself for. She is town. Bet. Killing her is a waste of an exe and helps us none. Bet.

That won't be necessary.