The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 12:49 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:53 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:53 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:49 pm Guess 1 - Guillo was a townsiding bisnitch all game and bussed all his team
Guess 2 - TSP is just mafia (caveat seems to be nobody else thinks this for probably some good reason I'm unaware of)
Guess 3 - It's LC

Did MacDougall just acknowledged that i've had great reads in this game?

if town absolutely best I've seen you play

good job guillo

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 6:02 pm Guillo played really well this game, possibly the best town performance IMO.

Marmot best PR.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 6:00 pm GG all and thanks for the game DDL.

We had very bad luck and I'll forever advocate killing @Marmot d1 from here on out

And not to start a fight, buuuuuut Gullio whole caught me on the second post thing was and will always be nonsense that was standard Sig messing around posting and if I wasn't mafia would be a standard mischop reasoning.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:54 am are you one of the heavies

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:03 pm And honestly after reading Mac's ISO I'm kind of leaning on Mac being Mafia.
He has legitimately no correct reads outside of Nannook being Mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:53 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:53 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:49 pm Guess 1 - Guillo was a townsiding bisnitch all game and bussed all his team
Guess 2 - TSP is just mafia (caveat seems to be nobody else thinks this for probably some good reason I'm unaware of)
Guess 3 - It's LC

Did MacDougall just acknowledged that i've had great reads in this game?

if town absolutely best I've seen you play

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:49 pm Guess 1 - Guillo was a townsiding bisnitch all game and bussed all his team
Guess 2 - TSP is just mafia (caveat seems to be nobody else thinks this for probably some good reason I'm unaware of)
Guess 3 - It's LC

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:13 pm Oh phewy Sig townspewed Faclon.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:33 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:48 pm Sean and Falcon, you should start a town core. You’re both town. I’m rooting for you!

Not a fan of this. Starting towncores literally seconds into the game actually starting is a sure fire way to get a mafia member in the towncore and nuke entire game.

This spews TSP as Town

sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:07 pm Also is it worth it for both snipers to claim now, ik we've got one claim out there.

The issue will of course be if one rolled mafia, but otherwise we can discuss as a thread kill targets and ensure we don't accidentally vote for them.

Contenders for last Mafia based on Sig's D1.

LC - an earl wishywashy read on LC and only commented on Dizzy's LC and Sean reads.

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sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:38 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:34 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:07 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:48 pm Sean and Falcon, you should start a town core. You’re both town. I’m rooting for you!

The fuck is this? Why do you post like you shouldnt be in the towncore of those you townread?

I’m not planning to be very active at the start of this.

Thread is quiet and I want the game to have a good start though.

Also, think I’ll exchange my Falcon for Guillo right now.

Sean is town. I know him, this be town.
Tony is town cause I can tell.
Guillo is probably town and Sean thinks so too so that’s good. Work together \o/
Lime is town because he’s cute and also real reasons.

^I think this is a nice town core to start with.
(Dis)agreements?

Does sean usually come out so aggressive in setting out reads? Ik i've played with him before but can't recall much.

Can"t agree on Lime, need some pics first or are we saying like the vibe/profile pic is cute? I could see vibe, but not profile pic. i mean don't get me wrong it isn't bad just not cute ya feel me?

Also as i just previously mentioned disagree re town core this soon, but as long as ppl don't blindly sheep and will move players out of town core, it isn't the end of the world to have one.

Gullio could be a possibilit based on this post. It's an RVS but is forced. Can't tell if it's forced in the since Sig wanted to put any vote out or a distancing force.

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sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:35 pm I"m gonna go ahead throw a vote onto gullitone for the time being. We haven't played alot, but we've played enough they should know i'm an easy D1 mislynch, gave some very weak reasoning, and did just not enough set up to throw on a vote and not move it.

Again this feels a tad forced. This came from D2 though so Sig wasn't RVSing Gullio like it seemed? Their whole push on Gullio is bad but I cannot tell if that is distancing or just not pushing good.

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sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:04 pm Also thought about it leaning a wee bit less of mafia for Guillo, still throwing my vote there, he's another I plan to review since i can reverse tunnel at time.

Also really do need a solid reasoning why I'm mafia or suspected mafia beyond a post I made D0 my second, very obvious jokign post.

The only other reads I saw from Sig were scum reading me for saying Nanook and Sig were Mafia and scum reading Falcon as my partner. Which those don't come across as distancing IMO and probably are just town spews.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:45 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:22 pm Guess who targeted Dolby?

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

Maybe I healed him

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:29 pm Greetings. I have come here to bring the many times dreaded, but sometimes necessary, Balance Patch. It has dawned on me that this setup may not have been as balanced as I thought it was, and between letting it play out that way and apologizing later or making a fix while I can, I have picked the later. I believe the fix is not a direct upgrade to either faction, it is more like a general equalizer that makes all remaining classes similarly effective against mafia and prevents mech analysis from being too automatic.

This part of the setup:

The faction also has one crit canteen, which can turn their faction-kill into a critical hit, making it ignore all protections and defenses, for one night. If only one member of the faction is alive, every kill they make will be a critical hit.

Has been edited to this:

The faction also has one crit canteen, which can turn their faction-kill into a critical hit, making it ignore all protections and defenses, for one night.

If only one member of the faction is alive, they will get a second dose of crit canteen, as well as one dose of each of the following:

- Cloak canteen: makes the player's actions not appear to trackers or watchers for a night.
- Teleport canteen: player's the player's actions avoid roleblocking or misdirecting for one night.
- Uber canteen: makes the player dodge one kill that targets them.

The mafia may use multiple canteens in the same night. The act of drinking a canteen can't be blocked.

So instead of the last mafioso getting infinite anti-doctor boosts, they get 1 anti-doctor, 1 anti-watcher, 1 anti-blocker, and 1 anti-vig. The change is effective now, though obviously it will only affect the gameplay after the death of the 3rd mafioso.

I hope you folks understand the need for this, since my goal is to make the game as fun as possible to everyone in it.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:39 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:39 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:36 pm Let's make things interesting

What’s interesting about hopping onto Wilgy’s wagon? We was a leading wagon before and he didnt even flinch?

I don't know, I'm waiting to see if interesting things happen as a result of getting the wagons closer

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:36 pm Let's make things interesting

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:59 pm Mpwheheh

Mh, mh, mh, mhfa, mh, mh, mh, mh, mh, mhfa, mh, mhfa?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:44 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:43 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:39 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:38 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:23 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:44 pm There is more evidence to point to NAA scum than town atm. Yes I want the game to be auto, but it seems that means we chop NAA today.

Ok let's not be reasonable by seeing how we can use the extra town KP

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:26 pm Let's make a bad read, and mechanically bad play and then blame the L on someone else seems par for the course with some people on wagon.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:35 pm If you're mafia, then congrats on winning. Town gonna run down this PoE and reject any additional kills they could use.

@LinearPoint see this chain of posts?
This is what excessive AtE looks like.

That isn't AtE. AtE would be saying you guys ruined my NYE, implying real life ramifications.

Saying someone is wrong isn't in the same realm.

It’s AtE because you are trying to emotionally blackmail Marmot into unvoting you.

If you have KP, you should have used it to clear the PoE but you have conveniently forgot to submit actions.

Nah, that's towny.

And no, me telling Marmot that he's wrong isn't AtE. Me saying that he's wrong presumably due to past experience isn't AtE.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:40 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:39 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:36 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:44 pm There is more evidence to point to NAA scum than town atm. Yes I want the game to be auto, but it seems that means we chop NAA today.

Besides what I’ve pointed out, what’s the evidence you have that points out to NAA being scum?

You didn't point out anything

Don’t blame for not seeing it and visit an eye doctor as sn as possible.

Just what I thought, you have no case.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:39 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:38 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:23 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:44 pm There is more evidence to point to NAA scum than town atm. Yes I want the game to be auto, but it seems that means we chop NAA today.

Ok let's not be reasonable by seeing how we can use the extra town KP

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:26 pm Let's make a bad read, and mechanically bad play and then blame the L on someone else seems par for the course with some people on wagon.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:35 pm If you're mafia, then congrats on winning. Town gonna run down this PoE and reject any additional kills they could use.

@LinearPoint see this chain of posts?
This is what excessive AtE looks like.

That isn't AtE. AtE would be saying you guys ruined my NYE, implying real life ramifications.

Saying someone is wrong isn't in the same realm.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:36 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:44 pm There is more evidence to point to NAA scum than town atm. Yes I want the game to be auto, but it seems that means we chop NAA today.

Besides what I’ve pointed out, what’s the evidence you have that points out to NAA being scum?

You didn't point out anything

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:23 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:44 pm There is more evidence to point to NAA scum than town atm. Yes I want the game to be auto, but it seems that means we chop NAA today.

Ok let's not be reasonable by seeing how we can use the extra town KP

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:26 pm Let's make a bad read, and mechanically bad play and then blame the L on someone else seems par for the course with some people on wagon.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:35 pm If you're mafia, then congrats on winning. Town gonna run down this PoE and reject any additional kills they could use.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:44 pm There is more evidence to point to NAA scum than town atm. Yes I want the game to be auto, but it seems that means we chop NAA today.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:58 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:56 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:50 am so i mean arbitrarily don't give wolves double kp but idk

I dont believe he is vig. Who forgets to kill as a vig? If i randed vig i would have killed two players already to clear the PoE.

So you are telling me he is town and sees how Seanzie went down thanks to his antics and instead of making ammends he what? Forgets to kill? Not even Mac whom he suspected to be a wolf between Seanzie/Mac, which is the whole reason he pushed Seanzie in the first place?

Nah my friend.

incredibly everything here is false

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:50 am so i mean arbitrarily don't give wolves double kp but idk

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:59 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:36 pm Perfect scenario for this cycle is:

NAA gets chopped and find out if he is scum saving Sabie or a townie hard wolfsiding.
At night we night vig Wilgy
Scum tries to night kill me and fails.

Then we look into demoralized players but certainly i will be pushing to chop tony if NAA is scum, heck i could even see Tony having tmi on NAA if NAA is town too but let's kill the bull before we skin it shall we?

you're literally killing the vig (unless i'm dumb and forgot who the vig is) you can't vig wilgy after you do that

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:22 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:20 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:18 pm Did NAA slip in saying falcon's color because he already knew the other medic's color, or is there some other more complicated mech reason it's a slip?

Either way, I'd sheep the read.

I'd suggest you to read the last two pages if you really care about that answer.

I tried, but I'm tired and don't understand.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:19 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:55 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:53 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:51 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:48 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:48 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:10 pm I need to continue voting Guillo unfortunately.

Do you usually vote people you don't think are Maf?

In a game where votes throw off vig shots, yes.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:49 pm Context matters

Then it really wouldn't be unfortunate that you voted him, would it?

What

You said it was unfortunate you had to vote Guillo...but in so doing, you thought you were saving him from a Vig shot?


Which would mean it is not unfortunate to vote for him?

This actually a good catch.

NotAnAxehole later replied he acted under the assumption that i was town vigilante and he was sure i’d 100% target him if i was town vigilante.

But i remember NAA replying to Gavial something along the lines of “who believes a Guillo’s vig claim”.

So this is a big contradiction from NAA and his action against could qualify as open wolfing.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:48 pm Can you stop with the excessive AtE for a bit it just makes you seem worse honestly. Saying that you're always mislynched and that you'll never convince anyone is rather annoying.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:18 pm Did NAA slip in saying falcon's color because he already knew the other medic's color, or is there some other more complicated mech reason it's a slip?

Either way, I'd sheep the read.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:52 pm Really anyone who "forgets" an action is suspicious as that is simply just not a thing that is possible to do. You have a whole 24 hours to do so and it takes at max 3 words and 20 seconds of time.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:48 pm Can you stop with the excessive AtE for a bit it just makes you seem worse honestly. Saying that you're always mislynched and that you'll never convince anyone is rather annoying.

I really dislike how you came out of the gate with the idea that he attacked your target N2 while not acknowledging his role.
There are so many scenarios other than he attacked your target and the idea he attacked your target just so happens to be one which a Mafia Medic would benefit extremely from having as a false narrative.
I also think your claim of doing nothing N1 sounds like a lie since Medic's role block needs a night to charge and you used it N3 instead of N2 which suggests you likely used it N1, but don't want to say on who. I'm also of the opinion that using Vaccinator to the get stronger heal faster makes the most since for a Town Medic instead of the slower heal like you said you used, but I'm willing to overlook this as a difference in playstyle.
Really when I look at both of the odd N1 choice and your pretty opportunistic push together this just looks like it is coming from Mafia.

I would also appreciate if you at least claimed your role block target since at the very least if you are Town that would confirm a person as not having carried out the factional kill.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:39 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:36 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:33 pm The fact you're trying for the narrative that he attacked your N2 target to me seems like you're Mafia who know all of this and is planning on saying after he flips Town Blue Spy that you are confirmed since he attacked your target when he never did and Mafia Medic does not give that information.

Mafia medic gives the identity, we don't know all the details that the host may have given Falcon no?

Like my role has poor wording and I had to ask what "protecting" meant and is not actually what I know about protecting in a role.

From OP: "Mercenaries who work for the mafia have more advanced equipment that grant them the following bonuses:

- Medic: His healing does not give information to the player who attacked his target."
It clearly stat's it does not for Mafia Medic.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:33 pm The fact you're trying for the narrative that he attacked your N2 target to me seems like you're Mafia who know all of this and is planning on saying after he flips Town Blue Spy that you are confirmed since he attacked your target when he never did and Mafia Medic does not give that information.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:29 pm The real question I have, is why are you blatantly misrepresenting the rolesetup?
No where does it say Medic gives their color with a successful kill, it says it gives their name.
Not only that you are conveniently ignoring the fact that NAA is a Spy who can get your role without ever needing to attack whoever you healed.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:27 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:24 pm Question is.

Why NAA does not kill Falcon on Night 3, knowing that Falcon is Medic and already prevented a kill, why risk keeping Falcon alive if Mafia?

I'm always ML bait. Keep in mind Marmot is still alive as a tracker who has actually caught scum, so that's odd as well I'd say

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:25 pm I do think that NAA being a CFDer on Sean, and now w/ a possible scum slip, should def be considered for a sniper shot

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:20 pm seems to me tha naa has a town slip and a wolf slip and we should call it null and stop thinking about slips which are never real