Team Fortress Mafia [END]

[NotAnAxehole]

There is more evidence to point to NAA scum than town atm. Yes I want the game to be auto, but it seems that means we chop NAA today.

Ok let's not be reasonable by seeing how we can use the extra town KP

[NotAnAxehole]

Let's make a bad read, and mechanically bad play and then blame the L on someone else seems par for the course with some people on wagon.

[NotAnAxehole]

@Marmot I don't know if you're burying your head in the sand because you don't want to fall in my pocket again, but you should really take some time to think about it, doing your best to reject the bias. I'm not playing you.

[NotAnAxehole]

If you're mafia, then congrats on winning. Town gonna run down this PoE and reject any additional kills they could use.

[Guillotine]

There is more evidence to point to NAA scum than town atm. Yes I want the game to be auto, but it seems that means we chop NAA today.

Besides what I’ve pointed out, what’s the evidence you have that points out to NAA being scum?

[NotAnAxehole]

There is more evidence to point to NAA scum than town atm. Yes I want the game to be auto, but it seems that means we chop NAA today.

Besides what I’ve pointed out, what’s the evidence you have that points out to NAA being scum?

You didn't point out anything

[Guillotine]

There is more evidence to point to NAA scum than town atm. Yes I want the game to be auto, but it seems that means we chop NAA today.

Ok let's not be reasonable by seeing how we can use the extra town KP

Let's make a bad read, and mechanically bad play and then blame the L on someone else seems par for the course with some people on wagon.

If you're mafia, then congrats on winning. Town gonna run down this PoE and reject any additional kills they could use.

@LinearPoint see this chain of posts?
This is what excessive AtE looks like.

[Guillotine]

There is more evidence to point to NAA scum than town atm. Yes I want the game to be auto, but it seems that means we chop NAA today.

Besides what I’ve pointed out, what’s the evidence you have that points out to NAA being scum?

You didn't point out anything

Don’t blame for not seeing it and visit an eye doctor as sn as possible.

[NotAnAxehole]

There is more evidence to point to NAA scum than town atm. Yes I want the game to be auto, but it seems that means we chop NAA today.

Ok let's not be reasonable by seeing how we can use the extra town KP

Let's make a bad read, and mechanically bad play and then blame the L on someone else seems par for the course with some people on wagon.

If you're mafia, then congrats on winning. Town gonna run down this PoE and reject any additional kills they could use.

@LinearPoint see this chain of posts?
This is what excessive AtE looks like.

That isn't AtE. AtE would be saying you guys ruined my NYE, implying real life ramifications.

Saying someone is wrong isn't in the same realm.

[NotAnAxehole]

There is more evidence to point to NAA scum than town atm. Yes I want the game to be auto, but it seems that means we chop NAA today.

Besides what I’ve pointed out, what’s the evidence you have that points out to NAA being scum?

You didn't point out anything

Don’t blame for not seeing it and visit an eye doctor as sn as possible.

Just what I thought, you have no case.

[Guillotine]

There is more evidence to point to NAA scum than town atm. Yes I want the game to be auto, but it seems that means we chop NAA today.

Ok let's not be reasonable by seeing how we can use the extra town KP

Let's make a bad read, and mechanically bad play and then blame the L on someone else seems par for the course with some people on wagon.

If you're mafia, then congrats on winning. Town gonna run down this PoE and reject any additional kills they could use.

@LinearPoint see this chain of posts?
This is what excessive AtE looks like.

That isn't AtE. AtE would be saying you guys ruined my NYE, implying real life ramifications.

Saying someone is wrong isn't in the same realm.

It’s AtE because you are trying to emotionally blackmail Marmot into unvoting you.

If you have KP, you should have used it to clear the PoE but you have conveniently forgot to submit actions.

[Guillotine]

There is more evidence to point to NAA scum than town atm. Yes I want the game to be auto, but it seems that means we chop NAA today.

Besides what I’ve pointed out, what’s the evidence you have that points out to NAA being scum?

You didn't point out anything

Don’t blame for not seeing it and visit an eye doctor as sn as possible.

Just what I thought, you have no case.

It’s called ISO or you go to topic view, click on replies and then click on my posts to isolate them.

You are welcome

[NotAnAxehole]

There is more evidence to point to NAA scum than town atm. Yes I want the game to be auto, but it seems that means we chop NAA today.

Ok let's not be reasonable by seeing how we can use the extra town KP

Let's make a bad read, and mechanically bad play and then blame the L on someone else seems par for the course with some people on wagon.

If you're mafia, then congrats on winning. Town gonna run down this PoE and reject any additional kills they could use.

@LinearPoint see this chain of posts?
This is what excessive AtE looks like.

That isn't AtE. AtE would be saying you guys ruined my NYE, implying real life ramifications.

Saying someone is wrong isn't in the same realm.

It’s AtE because you are trying to emotionally blackmail Marmot into unvoting you.

If you have KP, you should have used it to clear the PoE but you have conveniently forgot to submit actions.

Nah, that's towny.

And no, me telling Marmot that he's wrong isn't AtE. Me saying that he's wrong presumably due to past experience isn't AtE.

[NotAnAxehole]

There is more evidence to point to NAA scum than town atm. Yes I want the game to be auto, but it seems that means we chop NAA today.

Besides what I’ve pointed out, what’s the evidence you have that points out to NAA being scum?

You didn't point out anything

Don’t blame for not seeing it and visit an eye doctor as sn as possible.

Just what I thought, you have no case.

It’s called ISO or you go to topic view, click on replies and then click on my posts to isolate them.

You are welcome

I can't refute something that doesn't exist.

[NotAnAxehole]

I haven't done a single scummy thing this game, therefore there is no case to be made.

[NotAnAxehole]

If anything I'm appealing to Marmot's intellect to overcome the emotion that drives him to think I'm trying to pocket him.

[NotAnAxehole]

@Marmot I know you can find me.

[NotAnAxehole]

Look for other players who might be scummy.

[Guillotine]

There is more evidence to point to NAA scum than town atm. Yes I want the game to be auto, but it seems that means we chop NAA today.

Ok let's not be reasonable by seeing how we can use the extra town KP

Let's make a bad read, and mechanically bad play and then blame the L on someone else seems par for the course with some people on wagon.

If you're mafia, then congrats on winning. Town gonna run down this PoE and reject any additional kills they could use.

@LinearPoint see this chain of posts?
This is what excessive AtE looks like.

That isn't AtE. AtE would be saying you guys ruined my NYE, implying real life ramifications.

Saying someone is wrong isn't in the same realm.

It’s AtE because you are trying to emotionally blackmail Marmot into unvoting you.

If you have KP, you should have used it to clear the PoE but you have conveniently forgot to submit actions.

Nah, that's towny.

And no, me telling Marmot that he's wrong isn't AtE. Me saying that he's wrong presumably due to past experience isn't AtE.

Nah, a player like you who is very tactical and meticulous about the way you troll mafia games just dont forget about submitting actions. You just dont, get out of here with that bullshit.

Nothing you say will change my mind that you are not employing scum tactics to get out of the PoE you got yourself in. You cannot be trusted with anything you say that you will do.

Not gonna lie, i had fell in your pocket, i even believed there was a purpose to your trolling but i went back to read EoD1 and remembered the anger that i felt when i saw Seanzie’s flip and that it was thanks to you who opened that possibility for Sabie to get saved and Im out of your pocket again. What the fuck was i thinking? Right?

[DrWilgy]

Mpwheheh

Mh, mh, mh, mhfa, mh, mh, mh, mh, mh, mhfa, mh, mhfa?

[Guillotine]

NAA is like a MAGA, he is denial. He cant even recognize how he has openly hurt town.

In his eyes everything he has done has been townie. The fuck outta here.

Someone please ask me how I’d feel if NAA by some miracle flips town.

[Guillotine]

Mpwheheh

Mh, mh, mh, mhfa, mh, mh, mh, mh, mh, mhfa, mh, mhfa?

Dude, get the fuck out of your gambit already.

This shit is no longer fun for anyone that is town, if you are town stop it and help!

[Guillotine]

Stop scum siding wilgy, by keeping your gambit you force us to keep you in PoE and if you are town then you are playing against our wincon, please for the love of God, play to win.

[Guillotine]

@MacDougall why is tour vote still on me?

You know you did exactly the same thing to Seanzie right?

[falcon45ca]

If you're mafia, then congrats on winning. Town gonna run down this PoE and reject any additional kills they could use.

Strangely defeatist attitude, considering town has 1/2 the scum team down.

[falcon45ca]

I haven't done a single scummy thing this game, therefore there is no case to be made.

CFD on Sean for poorly stated reasons w/ a Wolf CW isn't scummy in your eyes?



Again, if you were actually town, I don't know how you can't acknowledge that.



Also, I can't recall how many times I've heard wolves cry "but I wasn't scummy!" before they die.

[NotAnAxehole]

I haven't done a single scummy thing this game, therefore there is no case to be made.

CFD on Sean for poorly stated reasons w/ a Wolf CW isn't scummy in your eyes?



Again, if you were actually town, I don't know how you can't acknowledge that.



Also, I can't recall how many times I've heard wolves cry "but I wasn't scummy!" before they die.

Yeah, I'm just gaslighting because there's 0 way I can convince you guys that I'm town at this stage.

[NotAnAxehole]

There is more evidence to point to NAA scum than town atm. Yes I want the game to be auto, but it seems that means we chop NAA today.

Ok let's not be reasonable by seeing how we can use the extra town KP

Let's make a bad read, and mechanically bad play and then blame the L on someone else seems par for the course with some people on wagon.

If you're mafia, then congrats on winning. Town gonna run down this PoE and reject any additional kills they could use.

@LinearPoint see this chain of posts?
This is what excessive AtE looks like.

That isn't AtE. AtE would be saying you guys ruined my NYE, implying real life ramifications.

Saying someone is wrong isn't in the same realm.

It’s AtE because you are trying to emotionally blackmail Marmot into unvoting you.

If you have KP, you should have used it to clear the PoE but you have conveniently forgot to submit actions.

Nah, that's towny.

And no, me telling Marmot that he's wrong isn't AtE. Me saying that he's wrong presumably due to past experience isn't AtE.

Nah, a player like you who is very tactical and meticulous about the way you troll mafia games just dont forget about submitting actions. You just dont, get out of here with that bullshit.

Nothing you say will change my mind that you are not employing scum tactics to get out of the PoE you got yourself in. You cannot be trusted with anything you say that you will do.

Not gonna lie, i had fell in your pocket, i even believed there was a purpose to your trolling but i went back to read EoD1 and remembered the anger that i felt when i saw Seanzie’s flip and that it was thanks to you who opened that possibility for Sabie to get saved and Im out of your pocket again. What the fuck was i thinking? Right?

Not trolling.

[falcon45ca]

I haven't done a single scummy thing this game, therefore there is no case to be made.

CFD on Sean for poorly stated reasons w/ a Wolf CW isn't scummy in your eyes?



Again, if you were actually town, I don't know how you can't acknowledge that.



Also, I can't recall how many times I've heard wolves cry "but I wasn't scummy!" before they die.

Yeah, I'm just gaslighting because there's 0 way I can convince you guys that I'm town at this stage.

Well, if you are town, then help us w/ legacy reads.



How do you feel about the players on your wagon and how they joined?

[NotAnAxehole]

I haven't done a single scummy thing this game, therefore there is no case to be made.

CFD on Sean for poorly stated reasons w/ a Wolf CW isn't scummy in your eyes?



Again, if you were actually town, I don't know how you can't acknowledge that.



Also, I can't recall how many times I've heard wolves cry "but I wasn't scummy!" before they die.

Yeah, I'm just gaslighting because there's 0 way I can convince you guys that I'm town at this stage.

Well, if you are town, then help us w/ legacy reads.



How do you feel about the players on your wagon and how they joined?

Give me a % chance on my legacy reads being used, and % chance of them being better than anyone else's... And I'll consider it.

[falcon45ca]

I haven't done a single scummy thing this game, therefore there is no case to be made.

CFD on Sean for poorly stated reasons w/ a Wolf CW isn't scummy in your eyes?



Again, if you were actually town, I don't know how you can't acknowledge that.



Also, I can't recall how many times I've heard wolves cry "but I wasn't scummy!" before they die.

Yeah, I'm just gaslighting because there's 0 way I can convince you guys that I'm town at this stage.

Well, if you are town, then help us w/ legacy reads.



How do you feel about the players on your wagon and how they joined?

Give me a % chance on my legacy reads being used, and % chance of them being better than anyone else's... And I'll consider it.

How exactly am I supposed to do that? I'm sure you're aware that's beyond my abilities.


Are you giving me an impossible task in order to get you to help town? Cu that's towny...

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

[NotAnAxehole]

I haven't done a single scummy thing this game, therefore there is no case to be made.

CFD on Sean for poorly stated reasons w/ a Wolf CW isn't scummy in your eyes?



Again, if you were actually town, I don't know how you can't acknowledge that.



Also, I can't recall how many times I've heard wolves cry "but I wasn't scummy!" before they die.

Yeah, I'm just gaslighting because there's 0 way I can convince you guys that I'm town at this stage.

Well, if you are town, then help us w/ legacy reads.



How do you feel about the players on your wagon and how they joined?

Give me a % chance on my legacy reads being used, and % chance of them being better than anyone else's... And I'll consider it.

How exactly am I supposed to do that? I'm sure you're aware that's beyond my abilities.


Are you giving me an impossible task in order to get you to help town? Cu that's towny...

My legacy is falcon!town, this is NOT a Thunderdome

[falcon45ca]

Let's make things interesting

[falcon45ca]

I haven't done a single scummy thing this game, therefore there is no case to be made.

CFD on Sean for poorly stated reasons w/ a Wolf CW isn't scummy in your eyes?



Again, if you were actually town, I don't know how you can't acknowledge that.



Also, I can't recall how many times I've heard wolves cry "but I wasn't scummy!" before they die.

Yeah, I'm just gaslighting because there's 0 way I can convince you guys that I'm town at this stage.

Well, if you are town, then help us w/ legacy reads.



How do you feel about the players on your wagon and how they joined?

Give me a % chance on my legacy reads being used, and % chance of them being better than anyone else's... And I'll consider it.

How exactly am I supposed to do that? I'm sure you're aware that's beyond my abilities.


Are you giving me an impossible task in order to get you to help town? Cu that's towny...

My legacy is falcon!town, this is NOT a Thunderdome

May I ask why you have me as Town?

[Guillotine]

Let's make things interesting

What’s interesting about hopping onto Wilgy’s wagon? We was a leading wagon before and he didnt even flinch?

[falcon45ca]

Cuz I recall you saying if Nook flips red, you'd want my lynch next.



So what changed?




Last game of the season Cotton, don't hold anything back now

[falcon45ca]

Let's make things interesting

What’s interesting about hopping onto Wilgy’s wagon? We was a leading wagon before and he didnt even flinch?

I don't know, I'm waiting to see if interesting things happen as a result of getting the wagons closer

[NotAnAxehole]

CFD on Sean for poorly stated reasons w/ a Wolf CW isn't scummy in your eyes?



Again, if you were actually town, I don't know how you can't acknowledge that.



Also, I can't recall how many times I've heard wolves cry "but I wasn't scummy!" before they die.

Yeah, I'm just gaslighting because there's 0 way I can convince you guys that I'm town at this stage.

Well, if you are town, then help us w/ legacy reads.



How do you feel about the players on your wagon and how they joined?

Give me a % chance on my legacy reads being used, and % chance of them being better than anyone else's... And I'll consider it.

How exactly am I supposed to do that? I'm sure you're aware that's beyond my abilities.


Are you giving me an impossible task in order to get you to help town? Cu that's towny...

My legacy is falcon!town, this is NOT a Thunderdome

May I ask why you have me as Town?

Because your reaction to my TMI was towny, I think a lot of people acknowledged that which is why they all piled on.

It wasn't TMI, I checked Syn today (day check) got blue medic. I disguised last night.

[Guillotine]

@Lime Coke who are your PoE?

[NotAnAxehole]

Tbh @falcon45ca I think people who sheeped your read, and don't town read you are far more sus.

[falcon45ca]

Tbh @falcon45ca I think people who sheeped your read, and don't town read you are far more sus.

Marmot comes to mind.


Who else do you feel is sheeping me while not TR me?

[falcon45ca]

Also, re: N2...do we know where the roleblocks went and where the saves went? Has Sig told us what he did?

[falcon45ca]

Also, why does NAA have me as his next lynch w/ a Nook red flip, and then chose to investigate Sig instead?

[Guillotine]

Let's make things interesting

What’s interesting about hopping onto Wilgy’s wagon? We was a leading wagon before and he didnt even flinch?

I don't know, I'm waiting to see if interesting things happen as a result of getting the wagons closer

Pressure? Ok.

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, why does NAA have me as his next lynch w/ a Nook red flip, and then chose to investigate Sig instead?

Honestly, I don't remember. I just went into the night thinking I would disguise as red engineer and kill Sig, so I wanted to check his info today.

Also, this is probably forgotten (and for good reason - I can't prove this) but I literally forgot that Sabie was the Blue Engineer.

[NotAnAxehole]

Tbh @falcon45ca I think people who sheeped your read, and don't town read you are far more sus.

Marmot comes to mind.


Who else do you feel is sheeping me while not TR me?

Marmot could easily be hiding behind "ah, he has pocketed me in the past" to get a mechanically favorable kill for mafia today.

Idk, if Marmot is mafia I think we just concede because there are so many people above him in the PoE and people voting don't care about being right because they'll just blame the loss on the PoE. You can see it every other post if not more Guillotine is deflecting blame for a loss (with 1/2 of the mafia team dead... Yes)

[TonyStarkPrime]

1) if the setup is anything but random I will be filing a complaint afterwards. the way it is presented strongly presents randomness.

How would it be not random?

If I were a hypothetical host, I would pick W X Y and Z roles to be mafia. Then the whole list would be randed to the players.

I guess you could rand which roles in said list were mafia, but that seems potentially prone to cause unbalance. I also don't think that's what I would do to a setup that I probably spent awhile carefully crafting so that everyone can have a potentially really powerful or impfactul role.

like taking this completely out of the game I would say that this method that you're describing here would be insanely irresponsible and would open up the door for a huge number of problems and should be avoided in all cases

like you can rand the game and if the rand is exceptionally out of order you can do something about it. Like for philo mafia we i think had to re-rand because the wolves got every single kill power role on the first go around. But even in that game the setup was closed so I felt comfortable doing something like that, I'm not sure if you can do that in an open setup.

to the second post which I'm not quoting here I'm not going to comment on the balance of the game in progress and i have opinions which I will never express

.....Okay then

I suppose I am speaking from the biased perspective of a host who recently did that on another site; however, in that game I had clearly out-lined that I had already hand-picked which roles would be mafia before the signups were even posted. In this game, it isn't outlined and I suppose I could see a potential problem with that if the players wanted to know that before-hand. My experience as the host in that game tells me there's very few problems with it because (among other things) mafia went on to stomp the game and not a single town got close to being right; more often than not they had one or two mafia locked in as town if another went down. Nor did anyone ever complain about it.

I'll stop talking about it now though and we can have this post-game. I apologize if this conversation seems angle-shooty or whatever to you, because I clearly don't have (or am aware of) the same values, experiences, or reasons as you do on this at the moment.

Yeah I don’t want to make a big deal about it, I think it’s fine but just not an Avenue that will prove productive

[TonyStarkPrime]

Can't we just like turn this game into auto? I didn't check exactly... So I'm going to workshop it now.

Roleblockers block Pyros
Medic save on watcher
Watcher watches medic
Medic save on Spy

Spy shoots concensus town pick

12 players, that gives us 2 town kills per day until mafia break the cycle (which should be obvious via actions).

If we count 1 sniper shot, that gives town 5 KP in the next 2 days bringing us to final 5 where if we missed on everything, we would be in LyLo.

Problem is we have to start killing RBs and Docs

[TonyStarkPrime]

I haven't done a single scummy thing this game, therefore there is no case to be made.

Well you haven’t claimed actions and you’ve been deliveratively obfuscative and you led a CFD on… is this a joke