The Syndicate

I will do the optimal play.

If it was up to me i'd execute Dyslexicon, but i never get what i want here.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:26 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:25 pm What if SvS is a jester?

last minute attempt to save your partner? SVS is not jester. If anything I am jester

Yes im obviously trying to save my partner hete instead of bussing an already outed partner, get cred and go deep, only to get chopped next day due to post flip associations.

She def plays like one

What if SvS is a jester?

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:19 pm Isn't it 100% confirmed that SVS is not town? Didn't we confirm this yesterday, and then flash wagon onto an unsuspecting townie?

Yes and it was very disappointing and I'm very upset I didnt get my vote in on time to prevent that

FYI mafia breaks ties so whoever was around at eod likely made the choice for scotty to go over svs (could have been svs idk)

This is not what mafia breaks ties mean porscha

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:19 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:14 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:13 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:10 pm Let's vote on my scum partner to spook town and make them second guess themselves.

Svs claims 3p
Do you believe dizzy is also 3p
Or do you think svs will flip wolf if dizzy is wolf

Either way your vote needs to be on svs and not defending it calling it wifom partner vote

SvS gotta be scum as the entire 3P faction is dead, is it not? Didnt Mod Squad die?

Sure. Svs might flip mafia. So why defend the maybe 3p/maybe mafia by calling svs vote partner wifom
Svs HAS to be resolved today it doesnt matter what she does or does not do
If it ends the game then it wont have been wifom. I'd like that speculation to wait until next game day if there even is one

Are we 100% certain that the Mod Squad is fully dead?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:17 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:16 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:14 pm If I'm voted over SVS here, it will be poetic justice. But also can we like not

Why should i give you the chance you didnt give Scotty by CFD him instead of chopping out SvS.

Touche tbh. But that wasn't just me.

It was you and Golden and you should know better than CFD an unknown slot over a pretty much confirmed anti-town one.

I do hold you to higher standards than everyone else, i do.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:14 pm If I'm voted over SVS here, it will be poetic justice. But also can we like not

Why should i give you the chance you didnt give Scotty by CFD him instead of chopping out SvS.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:13 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:10 pm Let's vote on my scum partner to spook town and make them second guess themselves.

Svs claims 3p
Do you believe dizzy is also 3p
Or do you think svs will flip wolf if dizzy is wolf

Either way your vote needs to be on svs and not defending it calling it wifom partner vote

SvS gotta be scum as the entire 3P faction is dead, is it not? Didnt Mod Squad die?

Let's vote on my scum partner to spook town and make them second guess themselves.

SvS voting there is wifom

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:28 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:25 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:12 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:19 pm And where the hell is Rondo.

He has not ever questioned me once about my townread on him.

He had been pushing for me from day 1 to day 3, but that went away as soon he was in PC's PoE and i was the only ally.

So?

So? That you could be a wolf who is happy that i defended you so your teammates can use to chop me later, that is the so.

Did you read me at all this game? I have no time to deal with you when PC is in my grill. Im going to take the town read and move on

I have but.., you know, it's mafia.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:23 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:23 pm I didnt AtE, i stated Facts

eh the bold and caps come across as ate, perhaps not excessive

The bold is not AtE, im not even yelling there, picture that like a billboard. For emphasis.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:12 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:19 pm And where the hell is Rondo.

He has not ever questioned me once about my townread on him.

He had been pushing for me from day 1 to day 3, but that went away as soon he was in PC's PoE and i was the only ally.

So?

So? That you could be a wolf who is happy that i defended you so your teammates can use to chop me later, that is the so.

I didnt AtE, i stated Facts

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:01 pm Here is my take on guillo.

On day one, I said ‘there’s a lot of tropey stuff in the wolfreads’. Mac later asked me what I thought was genuinely wolf indicative.

I said: “the challenging of the truthfulness of my read on Kate” (Alison, Seanzie, Guillo, Urist, Scotty.)

And: “saying you’ll contribute more when the game is smaller” (sVS, Michelle, Guillo.)

Guillo being in both of these categories, each of which did legitimately prove to include non-town players for reasons that proved to be legitimately AI.

On day 2/3, wolves had a clear loss of ‘wim’. Guillo simply stoped participating during that point in time, reappearing once town started losing its way again. On day 3 the game was at the size guillo said he could contribute in, he wasn’t there. By now, guillo is in a size of game he can actively solve in, but his tunnel and the breadth of his thinking seems no more broad than day one.

From the very start of this game, Guillo has played in a way that people say is ‘just town’, it’s been out there since day one.

Guillo doesn’t have time or desire to read the thread and keeps derping about it’s content, consistently. Guillo does have time to read his own meta database, though.

The whole thing just doesn’t add up to me. I feel like guillo is playing a role… be actively wolfy, be meta cleared, retain a very narrow tunnel on civs.

Perhaps it just seems more obvious to me, or is confbiased, because I’ve been in guillo’s tunnel the entire game. But there has not been a single moment in this game where guillos reads on me have felt even slightly developed or evolving.

You ate confibiased or just a wolf shielding another wolf. Let me destroy your points one by one.

1) Day 2/3 wolves lost their WIM, how do you figure this. Show me evidence from flipped wolves where they said they did.

Second i lost WIM since day 1 when Hollowkatt petsonally attacked for CORRECTLY scum reading him. Then by MacDougall, then by you. Yes, by you too, you apologized too as far as i remember. I dont know how you deal with that shit but im here to play a game and win, im a very busy person, i only play here like three times a year. So when someone attacks me when im not attacking them personally, yah, it kills my fucking WIM.

In a real world scenario i would do something about it, a punch in the nose or a kick in the balls because it feels great to attack back, it is quite therapeutic!
But in the virtual world where people feel like they can insult other people behind the anonymity of a computer screen and and user name, you dont have that luxury and have to depend on mods to fight back for you. Except sometimes they side with the perpetrators too so, yah that kills your WIM for sure.

NOTHING CAN KILL MY WIM AS EITHER ALIGNMENT EXCEPT PERSONAL ATTACKS!

I do not give up! Ive won games as a wolf in far far worse situations, ive won a game with 12 townies and i was the only scum left. Ive won a game where town had a double elimination feature and town caught two wolves on day 1 and i was a substitute of the third who was pretty much outed scum until i came along.

And as town..Marmot once said in a discord server that the best way to avoid dying as wolf with ne in the game as town and to completely ignore me, which was true back then.
You can't kill my WIM without dirty play.

Guillo doesn’t have time or desire to read the thread and keeps derping about it’s content, consistently. Guillo does have time to read his own meta database, though.

How is this alignment indicative? Yes, i cant read 300 pages but i can read my meta collection which is focused on behavior analysis to help me get a read on people here.
Would you rather i do not use other means i can use to help town at all? Would you rather have me shut up? Silenced? Just because i will not read a book's worth of pages?

Why did you have to frame that post as a shade Golden?

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:47 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:45 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:42 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:39 pm There's no point in continuing this conversation.

This is the 100% correct assessment.

In this game, guillo has chosen his wolf reads and everything is proof that he’s correct.

Apparently “that’s just guillo” but at the very least there’s no value in engaging with his case as being well read or rational, because it’s gut-based (assuming t!guillo) or designed to replicate meta (assuming w!guillo).

If you are town, i dont wanna read posts from you post game for apologizing for shielding Dizzy.

I said this on day one when you first suspected me.

I’ll say it again here.

I do not care what you ‘want to read’ from me. You use a lot of controlling language that I don’t like or appreciate. I’ll post what I feel like posting. If you don’t want to read what I post that’s your choice and option.

No, i mean it, if you are town and Dzzy is scum whom i believe he is, i better do not read an apology post from you post game when i spent the entire game telling you he was scum.

I better not.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:42 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:39 pm There's no point in continuing this conversation.

This is the 100% correct assessment.

In this game, guillo has chosen his wolf reads and everything is proof that he’s correct.

Apparently “that’s just guillo” but at the very least there’s no value in engaging with his case as being well read or rational, because it’s gut-based (assuming t!guillo) or designed to replicate meta (assuming w!guillo).

If you are town, i dont wanna read posts from you post game for apologizing for shielding Dizzy.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:39 pm There's no point in continuing this conversation.

Yah there is no point at all because i dont believe a single one of your posts.

If we reach final 3 together, im snap voting you, you may as well nigjt kill me because if you are a wolf, you have already lost.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:32 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:29 pmDyslexicon. What you are doing is LAMIST at its finrst because no town that is not a game thrower is gonna offer up to get killed to “clear themselves” at lylo or close to it.

Im sorry mate but it is what it is.

The whole point is that it is even worse if I stick around and you all use MORE time mischopping me. I'm not offering myself up willingly because it's fun or a good idea. Both options are bad. And it is exactly because it's may be close to lylo that I'm doing it.

That does not make sense! If im asked hey Guillo, will you be willing to die in a potential mylo to clear yourself? I would be saying no cause we'd lose.
If i accept it, i'd be playing against my condition. This is why i asked Michelle to shoot me as well, because i perceived that with the limited time i have to play this and how a couple of playets killed my fucking WIM with insults, it would be better to just fee me!

But no, Michelle refused and left me behind dealing with this mess, anyway my point is that back then it was ok for that play to happen. Not now, you are not a bad strategist, so i dont believe that you as town offer yourself up to get cleared by me close to lylo, because WE DONT KNOW WHAT POWERS ARE OUT THERE to mess with our plans.

So since i know you dont throw games as town, since i know you la creme de la creme in mafia, since i know that you are a very smart player who knows better, my only conclusion is that you are just trying to survive, to buy time.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:24 pm So, it's like this

Guillo and PC, and also others in the game - Dizzy is for sure wolf or likely wolf - Me trying to town clear myself - ignored? - I think it's a detriment if I'm staying around to use up another round so I offer to get cleared up - "wow why do you want to get cleared up that's so wolfy lol"

I'm not the one creating this situation, at least I'm trying my best not to. So I'm at an impasse here.

Dyslexicon. What you are doing is LAMIST at its finrst because no town that is not a game thrower is gonna offer up to get killed to “clear themselves” at lylo or close to it.

Im sorry mate but it is what it is.

And where the hell is Rondo.

He has not ever questioned me once about my townread on him.

He had been pushing for me from day 1 to day 3, but that went away as soon he was in PC's PoE and i was the only ally.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:14 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:07 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:54 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:54 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:43 pm Maybe Guillo is lost wolf who genuinely think I'm wolf too lolol

This is getting dumb and I need to step off

What makes you think there could be a lost wolf?

Read. The. Fucking. Game.

Why are you answering to me like you know im not faking it.

I also do not think you're faking it

And?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:56 pm I'm losing my patience and I will leave and come back

These kind of posts are getting old from you

Or lylo

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:07 pm

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:06 pm
Surviving to end game as town is the absolute worst experience in Mafia.

-t

I had this exact thought yesterday

(At least when you’re approaching lylo)

It is the worse but ive never lost a mylo where the decision is up to me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:54 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:54 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:43 pm Maybe Guillo is lost wolf who genuinely think I'm wolf too lolol

This is getting dumb and I need to step off

What makes you think there could be a lost wolf?

Read. The. Fucking. Game.

Why are you answering to me like you know im not faking it.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:53 pm Guillo lemme ask you something
Even though I think I already know the answer
Since you've obviously not read that much of the game, how or why do you insist on having such strong reads

I dont need to read the entire game to catch scum, i just need to pay attention when im on.

I got a private server full of channels where i store meta from every player, i do this because i suffer from memory loss so i need to refer to this to remember players and their meta.
I write down notes there on how they behave under certain situations.

This is why i can easily call out Sig as scum from their first post.
Or hollowkatt or many many others whom i caught scum in their first post.

Dyslexicon is the kind of player that questions why someone townreads him, i have not seen even once him questioning golden and go deep into that here.
And AtEing as town, i have not seen him do that eithet. He is very collected.

There was another game where i also tunneled him and he was town, the difference is that in that game he laughed it off and ignored me.
Dyslexicon knows im in my town meta, or should know, here he has AtEd, mock me, gaslighted me (even though he apologized later), and throw shade at me from time to time.

This is not town Dyslexicon as far as my collected info is concerned and my few memories i still retain about him.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:43 pm Maybe Guillo is lost wolf who genuinely think I'm wolf too lolol

This is getting dumb and I need to step off

What makes you think there could be a lost wolf?

If i was scum here i'd be such the fake team player. Questioning motives?
That does not exist in my dictionary as scum. I do not interrupt townies making mistakes, the more work town does for me as scum, the better

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:46 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:44 pmWhat if you have an action up your sleeve that would not only prevent me from proving my action but also speed up your win condition.

Why would you as town, knowing that we might be at lylo, offer so easily to get killed by me?

Why was this not your worry on other days? I have no fucking actions.

I have explained this, and I have also town cased myself, if you would bother to read the game. I'm not the problem here.

Because obviously on other days we held the majority and were wiping the floor with your buddies left and right. We do not have that luxury now, one wrong decision could end it for us.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:37 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:35 pm [VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

Im voting here because why the hell not?

Is it not the reason Golden switched to Scotty?

Not scummy at all

I do not quite know what you're talking about, but do you not want a chance to shoot me in the night instead and prove your claim as well?

What if you have an action up your sleeve that would not only prevent me from proving my action but also speed up your win condition.

Why would you as town, knowing that we might be at lylo, offer so easily to get killed by me?

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:36 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:35 pm [VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

Im voting here because why the hell not?

Is it not the reason Golden switched to Scotty?

Not scummy at all

Golden vote on scotty is why you see golden and dizzy as difference check?

No.

I wolf read them individually but they have openly shielded each other that i dont think scum do that to associate each other.
So one of them gotta be scum only

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

Im voting here because why the hell not?

Is it not the reason Golden switched to Scotty?

Not scummy at all

We should kill one in Dizzy/Golden because they ate straight up a difference check in my opinion

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:00 pm There you go.

So if that is not enough for people to see me as town, then I suggest the following: We chop SVS today. Should've been last day and I take full responsibility for being an idiot. There's a small chance she is mafia, and there's a definite chance she isn't telling the full truth about her claim and wincon. I will stay on Guillo today, and @Guillotine will shoot me. I'd prefer @Golden not to stay on actually. Rather someone else who is more in people's general PoE. However, it seems like I'm the one in everyone's PoE near the bottom, so just clear me tonight. In a shocking turn of events, I will flip green, something nobody could have ever foreseen. Very exciting stuff. I will cheer you one from beyond. And my money is on PC, but if you figure out something else, go for it.

I feel like we should just kill you today now

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:41 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:40 pm Hey between Sig and Hollowkatt, im so spewed not Mod Squad at least

Modsquad dead stop derping.

Then SvS is just scum is he not

If the game does not end

Now i'm off to sleep.

If Golden/Dizzy actually end up on me at EoD, my night will be exciting.

1 in Golden/Dyslexicon
Ender
SvS

That is my solve.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:36 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:44 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:43 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:43 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:42 pm Why is neon being mean to me this game :/

trying to soft defend me

Neon / Rondo never aligned

alright, dont take your free spew

I honestly don't think that Sabi/Rondo interaction is a w/w interaction.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:34 am @Guillotine I'm not sure if you answered this already, but I saw you changing votes rapidly yesterday at the cfd towards the end. What was your strategy?

-t

It was no strategy. I was mixing up Scotty with Sig, if it would have been Sig I would have stayed there, but when I realize that my wolf read was not on Scotty I switched and tied SvS.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:44 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:43 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:43 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:42 pm Why is neon being mean to me this game :/

trying to soft defend me

Neon / Rondo never aligned

alright, dont take your free spew

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:04 pm EnderWiggin - Ender's progressions and attempts to solve the game today look good. His role is confirmed and it's probably town (unless he's teammates with exactly DrWilgy and Scotty). @EnderWiggin why did you pick these two players.

This could be a rule of three

Dizzy is left alive last night so I would continue tunneling him today.

I gotta be Golden

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:25 am Happy birthday guillo

-t

Thank you

Out of all four people who participated in that Scotty CFD, Golden is the scummiest, followed by Dizzy.

The one thing I'm having big trouble with is that Dizzy/Golden have been massively shielding each other and I don't see scum doing that.

So one of them can only be a wolf.