Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[Guillotine]

We did a 5 man game of vengeful. Whichever faction lost in the game died in this game
Me and PC wolfed and won
So the other 3 died

That is a fucked up game. "Play my game where at least two are guaranteed to die except I will not tell you, OR, do not play and I will kill two players randomly".

[Guillotine]

I don't think scum risk playing that game knowing they could die, so close to end game.

Porscha and PC are town.

[Porscha]

We did a 5 man game of vengeful. Whichever faction lost in the game died in this game
Me and PC wolfed and won
So the other 3 died

That is a fucked up game. "Play my game where at least two are guaranteed to die except I will not tell you, OR, do not play and I will kill two players randomly".

Yup and we didnt know what the event was beforehand so there was always the option of opting into a game that wasnt a total trap, like... trivia and whoever wins gets a shot or vest or something

[Guillotine]

If you both are scum though, I will praise you for having bigger Bs than me, because I as a wolf would not do it.

[Porscha]

If you both are scum though, I will praise you for having bigger Bs than me, because I as a wolf would not do it.

Lol
The threat of the modkill had me thinking "well that *could* work out to be good for town if we got lucky" but I convinced myself that by signing up that 2 people wouldnt die

Oh how the turns table :/

[Guillotine]

So Sloonei, Party Crasher, Porscha and I are town.

That leaves

Golden
Dyslexicon
Ender
Rondo
SvS

where the remaining scum is.

[RondoDimBuckle]

There cant be 3 3p left. Ender / SVS / PC can there? 2 Mafia. = 5 / 9 no. Game would be over already. so its just SVS + PC?

like here
why would you assume 3p would wolfside

Mod squad's wincon is achievable from beyond their grave which doesn't seem to depend on mafia win

no I was trying to figure out how many actual town were left. Its safer to assume 3p will wolf side

mk.

If you were trying to get into PoE why did you expect tutuu to townread you and why would she just wolfread you if she knew she normally townreads you.
Also not sure where i'm going with this but scotty also thought you were a wolf so it's not like "mafia is completely making everything up" (scotty started considering it before tutuu i think)

tutuu normally gets what I am doing and gives me the benefit of the doubt. Or she flipflops on me back and forth. She is being odd this game. So there are very few reasons why that would be. I dont know why she would but I dont see it is a good thing. Scotty doesnt have a history of being at least somewhat close to my alignment. This isnt about the accuracy of the read but the behaviour that I would normally expect that isnt there.

[Guillotine]

Are we going for the sure thing (SvS) or 1 in Golden, Dyslexicon, Ender, Rondo?

[RondoDimBuckle]

fyi I have confirmation from Nook privately that lylo is silent. So we could be in lylo right now and not know it. In fact from all the activity I would say we are. Nook did say it would be a 5 day game and it is day 5

[Guillotine]

Even if I townread them I’d never trust myself enough to be sure… the chance they flip wolf is better odds than the knowledge I won’t.

for me its more the maths that PC is not town that its worth resolving me and taking away a 3p/mafia

That I might do (I’d have thrown it to kill Alison eg) but I still read PC as either town or npc anyway.

but lets do the maths as well, 3 town vs 2 town, id rather 2 town die. We should have just gone for the rand deaths.

Nanook knows what he’s doing. That contest was town-bait, objectively no one should have signed up until we discussed who and pushed people into it, but that was never gonna happen.

When I saw the playerlist I immediately thought ‘ok this is probably five town’ lol.

I guess sig was playing with house money because he can still win which explains him signing up despite not being town.

ok if that is true. Then Porscha and PC are just town / not mafia and I need to lay off them. Sloonie, me, you are town as well. who does that leave me with? Ender / SVS / Dizzy / Guillo - so its either.
SVS + Ender, Ender + Dizzy, Ender + Guillo
SVS + Ender, SVS + Dizzy, SVS + Guillo
Dizzy + Ender, Dizzy + SVS, Dizzy + Guillo
Guillo + Ender, Guillo + SVS, Guillo + Dizzy

Removing duplicates:
SVS + Ender, Ender + Dizzy, Ender + Guillo, SVS + Dizzy, SVS + Guillo, Dizzy + Guillo
Which is most likely?

People keep saying guillo is town from the CC but he gave it up pretty fast imho. But he did defend me against PC. But it could be a pocket.
Ender has been the main force of me being read as wolf and hasnt let it go, he also killed Michelle someone who can read him well, I also do not believe he wouldnt read his role carefully and get confused by it. But Nanook is crafty.
SVS is probably just scum here especially after the EOD choice of scotty over her.
Dizzy has made it to late game, dizzy isnt hitting wolves and doing the scum hunting I expect

so SVS + Dizzy is the world I live in atm but I would love to hear what people think of the above

Yes this is why my poe of svs dizzy guillo (maybe ender but only the event we made it that far with no luck) was what it was

And I did mention this earlier in the game but I have good reason to believe enders claim that his role was vague and he was playing it by ear, and that he was not lying
Now it might not guarantee hes town... but I also dont think his ability would be a wolf's ability so at worst hes 3p

I'm town. Anyone knows that if I was a wolf I would have a wolf already to my name.

[Guillotine]

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

[RondoDimBuckle]

@Sloonei I need you to make an audible here, I am stuck in my own confbias against PC. Its likely lylo and we need to hit wolf. You tell me where and I go.

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei I need you to make an audible here, I am stuck in my own confbias against PC. Its likely lylo and we need to hit wolf. You tell me where and I go.

I should not be relied on to make this kind of decision. I have been open about my lack of clarity on reads in this game. There is simply too much of the game that I have not read. My goals have been to help others make reads and to foster a productive, healthy thread environment.

So what I can do is try to help you through your confirmation bias.

Close your eyes, take a deep breath, and type your best argument for town-reading Party Crasher.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@Sloonei I need you to make an audible here, I am stuck in my own confbias against PC. Its likely lylo and we need to hit wolf. You tell me where and I go.

I should not be relied on to make this kind of decision. I have been open about my lack of clarity on reads in this game. There is simply too much of the game that I have not read. My goals have been to help others make reads and to foster a productive, healthy thread environment.

So what I can do is try to help you through your confirmation bias.

Close your eyes, take a deep breath, and type your best argument for town-reading Party Crasher.

They have been trying to get me a wolf over for the better part of 5 days.
They entered a game of death and came out where most likely only town and 3p entered

Everything else is kinda... bla and I dont love the town reasons because I can think of reasons why a wolf would do it.

tbh, thats really it. I want to think of more but its just not there

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei I need you to make an audible here, I am stuck in my own confbias against PC. Its likely lylo and we need to hit wolf. You tell me where and I go.

I should not be relied on to make this kind of decision. I have been open about my lack of clarity on reads in this game. There is simply too much of the game that I have not read. My goals have been to help others make reads and to foster a productive, healthy thread environment.

So what I can do is try to help you through your confirmation bias.

Close your eyes, take a deep breath, and type your best argument for town-reading Party Crasher.

They have been trying to get me a wolf over for the better part of 5 days.
They entered a game of death and came out where most likely only town and 3p entered

Everything else is kinda... bla and I dont love the town reasons because I can think of reasons why a wolf would do it.

tbh, thats really it. I want to think of more but its just not there

How has Party Crasher interacted with the flipped wolves?

[RondoDimBuckle]

@Sloonei I need you to make an audible here, I am stuck in my own confbias against PC. Its likely lylo and we need to hit wolf. You tell me where and I go.

I should not be relied on to make this kind of decision. I have been open about my lack of clarity on reads in this game. There is simply too much of the game that I have not read. My goals have been to help others make reads and to foster a productive, healthy thread environment.

So what I can do is try to help you through your confirmation bias.

Close your eyes, take a deep breath, and type your best argument for town-reading Party Crasher.

They have been trying to get me a wolf over for the better part of 5 days.
They entered a game of death and came out where most likely only town and 3p entered

Everything else is kinda... bla and I dont love the town reasons because I can think of reasons why a wolf would do it.

tbh, thats really it. I want to think of more but its just not there

How has Party Crasher interacted with the flipped wolves?

I would have to go back and ISO cant atm

[RondoDimBuckle]

@Sloonei I truely believe you are the way we win this game. You can come in unbiased and solve. Unless there was a bus driver that ruined me / you / wilgy night 1. Which I find HIGHLY unlikely considering all the claims. You are the only person I can trust to have my best interests in mind. I can do my own stuff when I get home tonight but I would appreciate any input you can give me on whoever you can be bothered to sort

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei I truely believe you are the way we win this game. You can come in unbiased and solve. Unless there was a bus driver that ruined me / you / wilgy night 1. Which I find HIGHLY unlikely considering all the claims. You are the only person I can trust to have my best interests in mind. I can do my own stuff when I get home tonight but I would appreciate any input you can give me on whoever you can be bothered to sort

I have been holding onto a Golden town read since early in the game. It was based on our initial interactions early in the game. It was then strengthened by his claim, especially as it related to Alison. It was strengthened a second time by his demeanor this day phase. He has looked like a town player who is a bit exhausted but still very determined to win this thing.

I would need to read a summary of all the other mechanical claims to start piecing together more puzzle pieces. I know that Ender and Porscha both have some mechanical stuff floating around them, but I don't really know what the details of their claims are.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I am still fuming that Urist outed himself, having +1 town would be great here

[Sloonei]

Rondo again looks and feels like a townie to me in this moment.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@Sloonei I truely believe you are the way we win this game. You can come in unbiased and solve. Unless there was a bus driver that ruined me / you / wilgy night 1. Which I find HIGHLY unlikely considering all the claims. You are the only person I can trust to have my best interests in mind. I can do my own stuff when I get home tonight but I would appreciate any input you can give me on whoever you can be bothered to sort

I have been holding onto a Golden town read since early in the game. It was based on our initial interactions early in the game. It was then strengthened by his claim, especially as it related to Alison. It was strengthened a second time by his demeanor this day phase. He has looked like a town player who is a bit exhausted but still very determined to win this thing.

I would need to read a summary of all the other mechanical claims to start piecing together more puzzle pieces. I know that Ender and Porscha both have some mechanical stuff floating around them, but I don't really know what the details of their claims are.

what is your opinion of the mini game of werewolves, do you believe that no wolves would have signed up for that? I feel like with 2 wolves 1 would have signed up to be able to influence how it went. Which means one of PC/Porscha is a wolf. Everyone else is asserting that its all town and I feel like one of them is the other wolf.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Porscha felt pretty scummy to me at the beginning of the day phase and people are calling PC 3p/town so maybe its just her?

[RondoDimBuckle]

@Sloonei I truely believe you are the way we win this game. You can come in unbiased and solve. Unless there was a bus driver that ruined me / you / wilgy night 1. Which I find HIGHLY unlikely considering all the claims. You are the only person I can trust to have my best interests in mind. I can do my own stuff when I get home tonight but I would appreciate any input you can give me on whoever you can be bothered to sort

I have been holding onto a Golden town read since early in the game. It was based on our initial interactions early in the game. It was then strengthened by his claim, especially as it related to Alison. It was strengthened a second time by his demeanor this day phase. He has looked like a town player who is a bit exhausted but still very determined to win this thing.

I would need to read a summary of all the other mechanical claims to start piecing together more puzzle pieces. I know that Ender and Porscha both have some mechanical stuff floating around them, but I don't really know what the details of their claims are.

Kate was shielding the crap out of golden in DND thread. I keep tinfoiling and wanting to turbo but taking a breath and trusting kate. You trusting him makes me relax more

[Party Crasher]

I will re-evaluate everything based off SVS flip

Rondo, please try to not make every post about me. If you are town it will help me find you if I see how you go on about solving the other players

While I have been pushing you hard, I haven't shied away from casing every single player, and pushing them hard too

We have about 19 hours left in the day, it would be great if you can make a case on your read on everyone until then

I am especially interested in your Dizzy read, as he is my next scumread. Coming into this day phase, I was scumreading him more than you

-t

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei I truely believe you are the way we win this game. You can come in unbiased and solve. Unless there was a bus driver that ruined me / you / wilgy night 1. Which I find HIGHLY unlikely considering all the claims. You are the only person I can trust to have my best interests in mind. I can do my own stuff when I get home tonight but I would appreciate any input you can give me on whoever you can be bothered to sort

I have been holding onto a Golden town read since early in the game. It was based on our initial interactions early in the game. It was then strengthened by his claim, especially as it related to Alison. It was strengthened a second time by his demeanor this day phase. He has looked like a town player who is a bit exhausted but still very determined to win this thing.

I would need to read a summary of all the other mechanical claims to start piecing together more puzzle pieces. I know that Ender and Porscha both have some mechanical stuff floating around them, but I don't really know what the details of their claims are.

what is your opinion of the mini game of werewolves, do you believe that no wolves would have signed up for that? I feel like with 2 wolves 1 would have signed up to be able to influence how it went. Which means one of PC/Porscha is a wolf. Everyone else is asserting that its all town and I feel like one of them is the other wolf.

I think town players are definitely more likely to have volunteered for the mini-game. But I think it would be shortsighted to clear everybody who participated purely on the basis of their participation. It would be a major gambit for one of the last remaining Soup Nazis to have participated in the mini-game. But sometimes you need to take risks. There is a definite potential reward in that people have appeared ready to clear both of the event's survivors. Not to mention that we did not know the exact nature of the event beforehand. It's possible they anticipated an even larger reward.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I will re-evaluate everything based off SVS flip

Rondo, please try to not make every post about me. If you are town it will help me find you if I see how you go on about solving the other players

While I have been pushing you hard, I haven't shied away from casing every single player, and pushing them hard too

We have about 19 hours left in the day, it would be great if you can make a case on your read on everyone until then

I am especially interested in your Dizzy read, as he is my next scumread. Coming into this day phase, I was scumreading him more than you

-t

If you post aout me I will reply, I have already been talking about other people regardless of you. Implying I havent been eyeballing everyone else is hilarious to me. Dizzy could easily be scum but I leave them to Ender and Ender is being rather silent on them. Sure I will give them a go tonight.

[Sloonei]

I will re-evaluate everything based off SVS flip

Rondo, please try to not make every post about me. If you are town it will help me find you if I see how you go on about solving the other players

While I have been pushing you hard, I haven't shied away from casing every single player, and pushing them hard too

We have about 19 hours left in the day, it would be great if you can make a case on your read on everyone until then

I am especially interested in your Dizzy read, as he is my next scumread. Coming into this day phase, I was scumreading him more than you

-t

Give me a snap read of Rondo's posts over the last two pages, please and thanks.

[Party Crasher]

I will re-evaluate everything based off SVS flip

Rondo, please try to not make every post about me. If you are town it will help me find you if I see how you go on about solving the other players

While I have been pushing you hard, I haven't shied away from casing every single player, and pushing them hard too

We have about 19 hours left in the day, it would be great if you can make a case on your read on everyone until then

I am especially interested in your Dizzy read, as he is my next scumread. Coming into this day phase, I was scumreading him more than you

-t

Give me a snap read of Rondo's posts over the last two pages, please and thanks.

I think that those posts are better than the ones I have been scumreading Rondo for
Considering he has over 1k posts, I find that a non-scummy drop in a scummy ocean is not something that makes me change my mind too much
It doesn't help that Rondo admits that he wants to be in the PoE and is purposefully scummy. I'm unsure if he expected another outcome of this strategy (than me obliging and putting him in my PoE)
I am holding off on making a judgement yet as I am conserving my energy, sanity and post count. I want to see SVS flip. (judgement between rondo and dizzy, that is)

-t

[Party Crasher]

I will re-evaluate everything based off SVS flip

Rondo, please try to not make every post about me. If you are town it will help me find you if I see how you go on about solving the other players

While I have been pushing you hard, I haven't shied away from casing every single player, and pushing them hard too

We have about 19 hours left in the day, it would be great if you can make a case on your read on everyone until then

I am especially interested in your Dizzy read, as he is my next scumread. Coming into this day phase, I was scumreading him more than you

-t

If you post aout me I will reply, I have already been talking about other people regardless of you. Implying I havent been eyeballing everyone else is hilarious to me. Dizzy could easily be scum but I leave them to Ender and Ender is being rather silent on them. Sure I will give them a go tonight.

It will help me if you make one big post for everyone, not just Dizzy. How I did it SoD. If you want to

-t

[RondoDimBuckle]

I will re-evaluate everything based off SVS flip

Rondo, please try to not make every post about me. If you are town it will help me find you if I see how you go on about solving the other players

While I have been pushing you hard, I haven't shied away from casing every single player, and pushing them hard too

We have about 19 hours left in the day, it would be great if you can make a case on your read on everyone until then

I am especially interested in your Dizzy read, as he is my next scumread. Coming into this day phase, I was scumreading him more than you

-t

Give me a snap read of Rondo's posts over the last two pages, please and thanks.

I think that those posts are better than the ones I have been scumreading Rondo for
Considering he has over 1k posts, I find that a non-scummy drop in a scummy ocean is not something that makes me change my mind too much
It doesn't help that Rondo admits that he wants to be in the PoE and is purposefully scummy. I'm unsure if he expected another outcome of this strategy (than me obliging and putting him in my PoE)
I am holding off on making a judgement yet as I am conserving my energy, sanity and post count. I want to see SVS flip. (judgement between rondo and dizzy, that is)

-t

how is it a surprise to you that I like to be scummy? Why does the admission have any impact at all? Have you not played a game with me before? I can point to King of the Hill where I played as scummy chaos Rondo and then towned up and won it. You have played games with me where I have acted super scummy and you have defended me how is this game different to cartomancy?

[RondoDimBuckle]

I have a haircut and a campaign to plan for a warhammer 40k game tonight but once that is done I will be diving into what I need to get done. If I am silent first half of day 6 if the game doesnt end it is because I will be out doing irl things. Second half I should be back with a vengence

[Party Crasher]

how is it a surprise to you that I like to be scummy? Why does the admission have any impact at all? Have you not played a game with me before? I can point to King of the Hill where I played as scummy chaos Rondo and then towned up and won it. You have played games with me where I have acted super scummy and you have defended me how is this game different to cartomancy?

I found it scummy how you promised you will self-resolve in day ... 3? in order to let you live. How is your n1 peek self resolving? How is a parity cop self resolving at all? Considering you aren't making any other peeks?

Why do you continue to ignore any and all questions about your night report? Why did you pick wilgy and sloonei? Apologies if I've missed it, but you're posting a lot

I find it scummy how you just post things that are flat out wrong. For instance "SVS not mod squad, I am resolved" - what? How are you resolved? That's one example of maybe 20 things that are flat out wrong that you've said today that me and my hydra are all left scratching our heads at

I also scumread you because of the circumstances of Kate and Urist dying, after you were invited to their neighborhood

-t

[Sloonei]

I will re-evaluate everything based off SVS flip

Rondo, please try to not make every post about me. If you are town it will help me find you if I see how you go on about solving the other players

While I have been pushing you hard, I haven't shied away from casing every single player, and pushing them hard too

We have about 19 hours left in the day, it would be great if you can make a case on your read on everyone until then

I am especially interested in your Dizzy read, as he is my next scumread. Coming into this day phase, I was scumreading him more than you

-t

Give me a snap read of Rondo's posts over the last two pages, please and thanks.

I think that those posts are better than the ones I have been scumreading Rondo for
Considering he has over 1k posts, I find that a non-scummy drop in a scummy ocean is not something that makes me change my mind too much
It doesn't help that Rondo admits that he wants to be in the PoE and is purposefully scummy. I'm unsure if he expected another outcome of this strategy (than me obliging and putting him in my PoE)
I am holding off on making a judgement yet as I am conserving my energy, sanity and post count. I want to see SVS flip. (judgement between rondo and dizzy, that is)

-t

[Guillotine]

I currently have these players are town

Neon - Well out of wolfrange, claimed Sabi kill.
sig - Claimed Alison kill, seemed fairly townie from interaction with Mac today.
Golden - If his claim is correct, then his mech handling of Alison and wonder at SOD3 if he was involved in killing Alison are good looks.

MacDougall - His self towncase looks solid and I'm content with that for now. Also the worry I had about him EOD1 has mostly evaporated. Also I think his worldview post is outside of his scumrange.

EnderWiggin ??? - Ender's progressions and attempts to solve the game today look good. His role is confirmed and it's probably town (unless he's teammates with exactly DrWilgy and Scotty). @EnderWiggin why did you pick these two players.

Party Crasher ??? - Probably not mafia for masssive hydra reasons, and looks like they're playing pro-town. Their read on Alison is correct. Given how Alison was vigged in the thread position she was in, where I think she was mostly townread, I think anyone who was actually pushing her is less likely to be her teammate.

RondoDimBuckle ??? - Putting him here for now because he claims he can clear himself, also I looked back at his ISO last night and I thought his EOD2 was fine. He didn't really push Sean, but in a sean/Rondo w/w world, I would expect a little more effort to push a wagon onto a non-wolf player. That said, one thing I did not like from Rondo is that he did vote for me near EOD. Rondo/Urist would be the first to drop from this tier if self-resolving doesn't happen.

Urist - Rondo claimed he can clear him.




That leaves the following group of players to sort.


112
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon ???
falcon45ca
Guillotine
hollowkatt
Kate
Lilypetal
master radishes
Michelle
Porscha ???
S~V~S
Scotty
Sloonei ???

[Party Crasher]

Rondo, Dizzy, Golden, Ender

All 4 of those participated in the scotty CFD

all 4 of those also avoided joining the death event. I believe 3 of them posted ITT around the event started (only Ender didn't?) which isn't a good look, since it looks like they could have participated

-t

[Guillotine]

Well look at that. Four of the people Marmot placed in his town reads are still alive.
And three in his fake PoE are also still alive, not counting myself.

[Party Crasher]

Happy birthday guillo

-t

[Guillotine]

Out of all four people who participated in that Scotty CFD, Golden is the scummiest, followed by Dizzy.

The one thing I'm having big trouble with is that Dizzy/Golden have been massively shielding each other and I don't see scum doing that.

So one of them can only be a wolf.

[Guillotine]

Happy birthday guillo

-t

Thank you

[Guillotine]

I gotta be Golden

[Guillotine]

Dizzy is left alive last night so I would continue tunneling him today.

[Guillotine]

EnderWiggin - Ender's progressions and attempts to solve the game today look good. His role is confirmed and it's probably town (unless he's teammates with exactly DrWilgy and Scotty). @EnderWiggin why did you pick these two players.

This could be a rule of three

[Party Crasher]

@Guillotine I'm not sure if you answered this already, but I saw you changing votes rapidly yesterday at the cfd towards the end. What was your strategy?

-t

[Guillotine]

Why is neon being mean to me this game :/

trying to soft defend me

Neon / Rondo never aligned

alright, dont take your free spew

[Guillotine]

@Guillotine I'm not sure if you answered this already, but I saw you changing votes rapidly yesterday at the cfd towards the end. What was your strategy?

-t

It was no strategy. I was mixing up Scotty with Sig, if it would have been Sig I would have stayed there, but when I realize that my wolf read was not on Scotty I switched and tied SvS.

[Guillotine]

Why is neon being mean to me this game :/

trying to soft defend me

Neon / Rondo never aligned

alright, dont take your free spew

I honestly don't think that Sabi/Rondo interaction is a w/w interaction.

[Guillotine]

1 in Golden/Dyslexicon
Ender
SvS

That is my solve.

[Guillotine]

Now i'm off to sleep.

If Golden/Dizzy actually end up on me at EoD, my night will be exciting.

[Guillotine]

If the game does not end

[Sloonei]

I would vote for Dizzy over Golden if I needed to choose right now.