The Syndicate

i am going afk but @ me if there's any questions, won't be getting into a back and forth arguing with scum

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:11 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:08 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:06 pm Theres like nothing else i can say especially bc im in class rn
There's just a fire drill
But like

Lol
(;
its ok, u haven't been saying much anyways
Ive been trying and im not going to say it isnt stressful that no one understands me or even thinks I'm not trying or not saying anything when i am

just want to call out that this is empty AtE with nothing behind it

definitely nothing in mizery's iso i'd point to as unaligning between her and gavial

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:15 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:57 pm How could my own cult member die?
I shall avenge you Nanook!
ew

if anything feel like a comment like this is fairly likely to be distancing

i think the big thing is that in spite of making the admission tess could be mafia, gavial went incredibly hard defendig her on day 2, it's an incredibly dissonant mindset that doesn't make sense from a civilian POV

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:00 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:58 pm @lime coke
Look, just vote Tess, who in hindsight, is probably just a wolf trying to kill strong players

Also his last post was gross

@Gavial
I'm still thinking, where I want to vote, I'll probably end up on Tess, oraybe back to LC
I think Tess is a really bad vote and and doesn’t resolve anything.

If you don’t vote Alison at least vote LC so you know for sure Alison is wolf.

Like we are in the same position tomorrow if Tess flips town where with LC we aren’t.
If Tess flips mafia then what?
Look it’s just better to go Alison and you suddenly stopping that makes me believe you guys could be distancing.

Wisp wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:29 pm ok I get it, I read too fast

i don't know how you reread but when i associative hunt i use ctrl+F and Highlight All so i can see every mention someone makes of another player

only issue becomes if someone has a nickname or abbreviation that gets used a lot or the person misspells their name it won't get picked up, but it wasn't an issue for me here

also FWIW Gav voting tess day 3 is incredibly likely to be teamed

in that instance of a counter claim with a ML, tess is ~always going to be flipped at some point

in that situation, it makes sense for the teammate who is deepest to position themselves on the right side of history so that they look good on later days, regardless of the outcome of day 3

that is a situation where if i actually had been scum distancing with tess i don't drop it to go fence sit and afk from the thread, i vote her so i can go "look i was right all along"

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:58 pm If we vote Tess today we resolve nothing
If we vote LC today and they flip Mafia we know Alison is playing Buss this game.
If we vote LC today and they flip Town we know Alison is setting up for 2 more ML’s on LHF.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:38 pm
tessepia wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:37 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:31 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:22 pm Like the Alison wagon is fucking pure.
Wisp keeping his vote on it is still pure!
Tess voters look better except for Falcon who is trending down
lol I have 3 voters? btw I'm not getting exed
Of course you won’t.
That’s Alison’s role today!

But I think it’s probable you could be with them so I’ll keep that in mind after Alison dies.

wisp what on earth are you seeing as unaligned in here lmao

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:06 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:05 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:02 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:51 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:02 am [VOTE: Ender] aubergine
I think you mean:
[VOTE: Alison] aubergine
I'm not opposed to that idea
Why though? You were on Tess before-- and I've generally felt good about you here-- but could you discuss your reads on both of them?
Honestly, I can see a Lime Coke, Luck and Alison Team RN.
As much as I think Luck has been Townie it looks like Luck is trying to push Falcon back into a Tess vote so Alison doesn’t go over today.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:28 pm Lime Coke just suddenly comes into this day dropping his scum read on me and votes Tess.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:32 pm Like Tess could be scum but Lime Coke has a greater chance to be scum with Alison so I don’t like where Lime Coke is trying to go.

I’m thinking Nanook was correct on Lime Coke so both Lime Coke and Alison NEEDED to kill Nanook.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:25 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:19 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:45 pm I'm at Red Lobster currently. I'll talk to y'all later.

[VOTE: Tess] aubergine

I'll explain why later.
I wonder if your reasons are the same as mine
Tess over Alison?
No thanks!

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:17 am Mizery, Luck and Tesse as potential team but allot more unlikely then Dizzy/Alison having scum in it.

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:13 am
tessepia wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:24 am I didn't read mizery's posts but she posted a lot so that's cool
I mean it doesn’t mean anything AI.
But it does mean that they are contributing after a naked vote placement on them which is a Townie look.

i see nothing in gavial's iso that unaligns him with mizery

i do see this soft defense of her on day 1

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:36 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:50 pm Also, I've had enough color theory for one day.

Someone talk about how Mizery's entrance is kind of scummy instead.
I think it was rushed.
That’s about it.

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:03 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:21 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:20 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:20 pm Wisp is probably town.

Gonna do this instead:
[VOTE: Mizery] aubergine
For what?
Process.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:22 pm Wolves, especially ones that have been backed into a corner, don't often turn around and processing players properly like a town would.

But that's exactly what Wisp did, including citing/checking other games they weren't part of.

And on top of that, those citations were along what I was thinking as well. Partially at least.
Question.
Did you mention Mizery at all before?
Is this a new read or a vote to push them for more contribution?

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:05 am Like most of your read game was all about how you suspect Wisp with also some mentions of Me and Nanook being Town.
No where did you ever bring up Mizery and only vote them after Falcon naked votes them.

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:07 am
Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:27 pm Mizery only has bonk mafia, he was town, the play is about the same as this game so far?
but I don't think I am going to lean him town, in the same way I leaned Dizzy as a wolf for his play in the game I iso'd

Mizery needs to do more
This is the reason I can see that can coherent a vote.
I don’t see any other reason at this stage.

Misery’s entrance wasn’t that great but going back to that moment and placing a vote down for that doesn’t really make any sense at this stage.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:19 pm LHF’s:
Mizery
Limecoke
Tess
Maybe Ender and Falcon

They just go Limecoke, Tess and then Mizery.
Or they take a gamble in the dark and try and push Wisp.

B R U H

Wisp wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:00 pm man u are not very helpful, are you

Wisp wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:01 pm "associations can be faked as long I'm not the one making them"

man i haven't even read through to see the stuff you're talking about, if you're not actually citing your sources i can only take guesses, i'm still looking at it myself trying to see

like YES i could theoretically fake the stuff between me/alison and me/tess, but i wouldn't because i think scum/scum cross bussing each other in the early game for no reason is bad play

gavial seems to have turned on a dime from calling me scum to appealing to me, though

Wisp wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:47 am @Gira
question here, are you being lazy town or lazy wolf?
this sounds rhetorical, but its not
you think the team is really just Mizery/Gavial?

cause there is no way if you go through Gavials iso, you can't tell me there aren't sparks that show he might not have TMI or is un-aligned with Tess
and like now how Mizery spoke to Gavial, it feels unaligned, maybe its a bad read, idk

i generally take decisions one step at a time and i just don't think mizery is town in any world

associations can be faked but i have done basically ~no evaluation there and focused purely in terms of who i am voting today

if i'm playing lazy i'm almost certainly town, you have no way of knowing this but i am basically stupid high effort every time i roll scum

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:24 am
Wisp wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:20 am @Gira
again I will say this, if you are town, go through Gavial's iso
this dude is not a wolf, I do not believe it
@Gira
If I was scum I’d have killed Wisp over Falcon here and you should realize this.

If I killed Wisp, You and Falcon just cross vote due to Falcon’s already suspicion on you.

I also guess in that world I would be scum with either Alison or Miz but the point still stands and in the case your town you should realize that I’m right about that.

i mean, i was never voting falcon. maybe he votes me for dumb reasons, maybe him being alive makes him second guess, i don't know. often scum feel obligated to kill the "most clear" player so things look right

i'll take it into consideration though

Wisp wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:16 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:12 am I’d at that point just be flipping a coin to decide which is scum out of Miz and Gira.
if you make it to lylo vs Gira/Mizery
don't quick vote, I am trying to prepare you for that

Gira defending Alison here doesn't make him a wolf with her
this is the same guy that read all of Artemis and was like, "Wisp is the only one that fits the group scum"
even though a quick iso of Cuth had him hedging on literally "every single wolf"

thats an overly reductive take btw dude, i was tunneled on you for dumb reasons but i got to the truth eventually. like i dont claim to be any great shakes as town but im not a complete idiot

i maintain the level of abrasiveness from alison is unlikely to come from scum but eh

i realize that because of locking mechanics the teams aren't technically confirmed

but i would emphasize that mizery is capable of significantly more as a civilian and she hasnt shown it here

and i think that her/esooa just decided to see how much openwolfing they could get away with

morning

all right, off for real but if you have questions leave them here

jesus you nearly gave me a heart attack

i've made up my mind and i want to step away from the computer

[VOTE: mizery] aubergine @Syn

sorry if i'm wrong

i have a vote typed out but i keep getting nervous

i think if alison were scum with gavial she'd just call him a wolf rather than what she did (suggest he was town throwing)

so, again, day 1, when she was under pressure, and did it matter? tess voted the counterwagon to mizery instead

it seems like exactly the sort of thing where she's positioning herself to bus if necessary but then pushing a different wagon

on day 2 she began hard defending mizery when there was less apetite to go there and to me it makes more sense for that read reversal to a convenient on on a partner

mmm, i think alison is way closer to her town games here than her scum games and there's actually a strong difference. maybe that bites me in the ass but i'd be fine with it

@Wisp can you show me the comments from tess on mizery you were referring to?

i don't think this is close to alison's scumgame tbh\

this is a loose skim and i haven't checked town games for a comparison, ideally i'd be spending more time on a dive but that's not workable within the constraints of 48 hour day phases

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:39 pm @Gira
what do u think of Tess' earlier posts on Mizery?

Which ones in particular? Because in my Ctrl+F search they struck me as ~not particularly meaningful

if i wanted to stretch i could claim they seem partnery but in the grand scheme of things i could see it both ways so i have to be honest rather than trying to force a point

i actually think their later interactions seem a bit forced but it's not something i'd hang my hat on independent of other things in the game

checking alison's meta

just double checking here to be sure

like if wisp getting frustrated with alison and sulking about the game being unfun was scum theater than good work yall

oh i reread and remembered why i don't think wisp and alison are partnered very quickly

if that's the team i'm perfectly fine with losing to them

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:12 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:10 pm I was the second vote on tess not the 3rd though?
irrelevant

@Gira
it was, but I still don't remember them voting you
and I still don't believe it mattered anyways

not like you can check votes, i think she voted me but that's lost to memory now

idfk dude does it make more sense for tess to be low efforting and distancing from her teammates in thread or just going the hard defense route

gavial voting makes my calculus simpler, i'm going to do a very very quick ISO check

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:07 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:04 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:34 pm I also dont think Tess casing Gira the way they did makes them not w/w
despite what he believes

I mean a wolf team of Gira/Alison/Tess, would certainly be able to manipulate the game state
i am vociferously opposed to unnecessary bussing and at this point you'd have to believe i chose to do it with both partners for ??? reasons
look I have a very hard time reading into stuff like this, I think in certain cases, I can push harder towards one direction in terms of is this w/v, or w/w
but that post you made isn't one of them
Tess did absolutely nothing with that jab, I don't even recall them voting you
and the game state was almost always going to be LC/Alision, since nobody was trying to stop it from what I remember

your point on Tess/Alison not being W/W is a lot stronger, than that read you are using on yourself

i thought tess made a fullblown case on me? and you even said you felt like sheeping it?

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:04 pm I still find it hard to believe that a team of Mizery/Gavial/Tess, somehow managed to control this whole game

shrug, didn't take much for people to willage

day 1 people big brained themselves into voting a good player over someone who wasn't trying, scum went all in on the wagon because their plan was to powerwolf

day 2 alison and lime coke got into a deathtunnel on each other that sucked all the air out of the game, these things happen.

day 3 tess made a good fakeclaim because she was under the most suspicion the day before

it's not like this type of thing requires some 5D chess, towns can and often do screw up

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:34 pm I also dont think Tess casing Gira the way they did makes them not w/w
despite what he believes

I mean a wolf team of Gira/Alison/Tess, would certainly be able to manipulate the game state

i am vociferously opposed to unnecessary bussing and at this point you'd have to believe i chose to do it with both partners for ??? reasons

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:19 pm Gira and Alison went from SRing each other Day 1 to conveniently Lock towning each other in the same day phase.

i have quite literally never lock towned her this game. my read softened but there was always doubt

back, going to catch what i missed

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:49 pm I hope Gira is scum so they come back, end the game, and you can see the error of your ways without delay.

hi

sorry to say i'm not

i am leaving work now. be back later tonight

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:43 pm i mean they defended Alison a decent amount too

not really in a similar manner, and look at the post i quoted from day 2 when alison was getting run up in alison vs lime coke

is that a post someone who's powerwolfing makes? she's neither trying very hard to convince people to not vote alison or posturing for her flip. instead she barely cares about the possibility that alison could die that day.

independent of anything i should be obvious town just from tess pushing me and the first two nightkills being on people who were townreading me

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