The Syndicate

should have just. not played.

this is a loss

sorry mac, sorrry wind. sorry bereft. dorry pyxxy and robyn

yeah probably not right

ted might be scum /shrug

[VOTE: rondo] aubergine

i'm taking a leap of faith

this is a lost game probably

and if i'm wrong, well, that's life, like i said i'm pretty bad at this game. but i'm not always wrong.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:50 pm bruh.

i love you as a human being regardless of this game. i am town and acting in good faith, or as good as the game of mafia ever allows.

you're very nice and i have nothing against you, was nice playing with you for a while

i just think you're on the other team in this game is all

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:49 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:48 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:42 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:41 pm i would selfvote here if i was allowed to. not kidding. i think the game is mega-fucked, people are playing like shit. kill me and the clownshow has to actually maybe re-evaluate. kill made and people just go back to the same fuckin bullshit and the game is lost

Bad attitude. To win, you have to actively fight for town, not throw in the towel

leetic if i continue to be alive in this game i'm going to be the game-losing misvote

With that attitude you will be, that's all I'll say about that

leetic you don't understand how people are, i've dealt with this shit too much over the past year, people are fucking pigs, i fucking hate playing fucking mafia because of people like abigail

final solve is ran/rondo, but significantly higher confidence on ran than rondo. i was trying to re-evaluate ted but i really am not sure, sorry. made's not scum.

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:42 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:41 pm i would selfvote here if i was allowed to. not kidding. i think the game is mega-fucked, people are playing like shit. kill me and the clownshow has to actually maybe re-evaluate. kill made and people just go back to the same fuckin bullshit and the game is lost

Bad attitude. To win, you have to actively fight for town, not throw in the towel

leetic if i continue to be alive in this game i'm going to be the game-losing misvote

i once held that attitude, that you should always fight and struggle to survive no matter what because you're confirmed town and so you dying is always the worst thing possible

but some people are just beyond reason

theyre narcissistic little piggies who only care about satisfying their own ego, they don't care what arguments you make, they don't care what evidence there is

the only thing that can MAYBE convince them is having being wrong thrown in their faces (and even then i doubt it)

nothing i say will convince people

you lock clearing me would not convince people

they're greedy little piggies who want to be the heroes of the game by catching me (or they're butthurt because i suspected them)

they need to actually see me flip to have any chance of re-evaluating

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:40 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:38 pm honestly kill me then kill ran tomorrow

i'm not voting made

this is not in the spirit of thanksgiving

why did you vote ted

because i was pushing buttons

i wanted to see how he'd react, i wanted to see how others would react

i would selfvote here if i was allowed to. not kidding. i think the game is mega-fucked, people are playing like shit. kill me and the clownshow has to actually maybe re-evaluate. kill made and people just go back to the same fuckin bullshit and the game is lost

mde dyign here if he's town loses the game and i think he's prob town just by how people are playing around it

honestly kill me then kill ran tomorrow

i'm not voting made

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:04 pm i’ll just keep my vote on rondo and go to sleep

gl us

should have voted me instead

has it always been?

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:04 pm had i known gira was this abrasive all game - wouldn't have tr'd him earlier today

made - undecided

last post

also this is how i always am because i fucking hate people

i don't have anything in my mind that clears me from being a teammate with rondo, other than i guess him and tsp dogpiling me if you want to convince yourself that was a bus go for it

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:43 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:37 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:34 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:50 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:49 pm i guess it's possible ted has figured out the exact right buttons to push to get me to think he's town but he'd be playing a really really good game if so

n other words i think it's incredibly unlikely and would only re-evaluate if the game goes long and he's still alive. to be clear.

@Gira do you still feel this way? i control-f ted in your iso, and this the most direct read I could find.

i think half the time i've refereed to him as insomnia

but this was my most recent post on him:

Gira wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:09 pm [VOTE: Made] aubergine

i read the last two pages in reverse, it's not rondo


i had a flash of uncertainty earlier on ted today but i went to read back on tsp's posts and i still think he is just town from that. i can re-check ted's iso but i highly doubt he is mafia at this point in time

so is it fair to summarize your view of ted to be green, but trending downwards?

i'm re-reading him right now

to be honest, there are still moments in his posts that look towny, i'd be lying if i said i had a good case against him

but it's possible that just every push being made is wrong, which means i would have to be misclearing someone

so half of this is me saying "fuck it" and throwing out a wild guess, and i also want to see if the people suggesting i'm mafia with ted are actually willing to stand behind their convictions

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:41 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:32 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:27 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:21 pm in general my expectation is mafia in endgamee rarely hard align, their goal is to split the room, sometimes around a false dichotomy

sorry to spray and pray a bit, but want this in writing just incase Im right: That’s why i think i might be right about a ted/gira. I don’t like the noncommittal nature of gira’s read on me/rondo either. It’s giving “okay so after we chop made, we chop rondo or vice versa”

i am not arguing that?? wtf

yes' i'm going back and forth because i'm uncertain but i have actively been TRYING to investgate people outside you and rondo where half the game seems hung up on you today


my difficulty with you has been that a lot of the time it's been very hard to figure out what your actual thoughts/analysis are on the game, if you could make that clearer i think that'd be helpful.

in a tweet:
it’d be weird if there were one scum or three left so assume two.
combo that make sense to me:
-Abigail x leetic (which if it is them well done, amazing play)
- ted/gira

Im having trouble imaginging rondo with anyone else alive, and that, plus his tsp vote, plus his post today makes him look green af

so it really has to be you and Ted at this point. I could ofc be wrong, but that is my thoughts/anaylsis of the thread.

at the moment im reading for connections between ted and gira to see if there anything there clearing.


also ted, I played scum with you recentlyish right?

i think the way i've been interacting with ted is like obviously never scum/scum but if you want to kill one of us then go for it i'll help you out

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:34 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:50 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:49 pm i guess it's possible ted has figured out the exact right buttons to push to get me to think he's town but he'd be playing a really really good game if so

n other words i think it's incredibly unlikely and would only re-evaluate if the game goes long and he's still alive. to be clear.

@Gira do you still feel this way? i control-f ted in your iso, and this the most direct read I could find.

i think half the time i've refereed to him as insomnia

but this was my most recent post on him:

Gira wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:09 pm [VOTE: Made] aubergine

i read the last two pages in reverse, it's not rondo


i had a flash of uncertainty earlier on ted today but i went to read back on tsp's posts and i still think he is just town from that. i can re-check ted's iso but i highly doubt he is mafia at this point in time

[VOTE: ted] aubergine

idgaf

if people are hung up on me/ted being maf then kill one of us

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:27 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:21 pm in general my expectation is mafia in endgamee rarely hard align, their goal is to split the room, sometimes around a false dichotomy

sorry to spray and pray a bit, but want this in writing just incase Im right: That’s why i think i might be right about a ted/gira. I don’t like the noncommittal nature of gira’s read on me/rondo either. It’s giving “okay so after we chop made, we chop rondo or vice versa”

i am not arguing that?? wtf

yes' i'm going back and forth because i'm uncertain but i have actively been TRYING to investgate people outside you and rondo where half the game seems hung up on you today


my difficulty with you has been that a lot of the time it's been very hard to figure out what your actual thoughts/analysis are on the game, if you could make that clearer i think that'd be helpful.

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:21 pm Come to think of it, Gira's last-minute switch off Made D3 was weird. Maybe it was triggered by pyxxy's weird claim, but what if…?

YOU DID THE SAME EXACT THING???

like yes of course i swapped because i saw a self pres-snipe and reacted on instinct, i don't think that's a hard towntell on my end but if i'm mafia i don't need to care about the wagons that much, if i'm bussing made i just stay on for cred

in general my expectation is mafia in endgamee rarely hard align, their goal is to split the room, sometimes around a false dichotomy

actually now i'm just wondering if rondo is shveling as much shit as possible into the thread now that i step back from being impressed by the volume of it

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

i read the last two pages in reverse, it's not rondo


i had a flash of uncertainty earlier on ted today but i went to read back on tsp's posts and i still think he is just town from that. i can re-check ted's iso but i highly doubt he is mafia at this point in time

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:55 pm My legacy is Abby don't flashvote at LyLo. Though hopefully we'll never get to that point

i assume mechanically we're never going to have locked votes or majority

how's it going i've been enjoying a saturday not playing mafia

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:56 pm I kinda think it's Gira ngl

then fuckin vote me

honestly i'm not that confident rondo is mafia but if he isn't the game is kind of porked

oh fair nuff

i have not received any extra votes

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:03 pm No secret votes either.

you can't be sure of that if no one has posted?

atp i can't tell what is wolfiness and what is incompetence

i posted like a billion quotes about how tsp reacted to me that shows we are never ever a team

almost certainly not

god i wonder if pyxxy posted that eod snipe with the intent of getting himself killed

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:24 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:22 pm i wouldn't suggest it if i didn't know there was another thread and would probably prefer playing there

I'm not exactly curious as to what will happen if wolves gain parity in this thread, and I suggest you take the same attitude.

well i'm sick of being in this game, but i'm not out and out advocating that you kill me, just suggesting that i wouldn't mind if it happens. sorry but that's just how i feel.

i wouldn't suggest it if i didn't know there was another thread and would probably prefer playing there

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:09 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:05 pm [VOTE: rondo] aubergine

i halfway want to get chopped here because being in this thread is a nightmare but i think doing so loses in this thread unless there's some spare mechanics in play here

You "think"? Shouldn't you know your alignment?

as in me dying places the game in a state where the game is functionally unwinnable for town, because it will go to F5, and mafia will have the votes necessary to win.

like - i realize it's been a long time since you've played scum, but generally you know if you're winning before f5/f3 because you can predict who will vote where. and if you have a single townie whose vote you can count on, the game is won. and i think that's likely to happen here if we miss today. today is functionally LYLO, in my opinon.


i still kind of want to die because i hate being in this thread and i feel like people actually need my flip to see that ran is pushing me in bad faith here (maybe. i'm a pessimist)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 1:15 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 12:26 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 12:07 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:34 pm I stared at the list and decided Gira was the most likely wolf

[VOTE: gira] aubergine

fuck it lets gooooo [VOTE: GIRA] aubergine

God i hope this is just the team

lol

[VOTE: rondo] aubergine

i halfway want to get chopped here because being in this thread is a nightmare but i think doing so loses in this thread unless there's some spare mechanics in play here

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:30 am @Gira why are you not w/w with abi?

idfk i don't think i ever start a shitfight with a teammate for no reason - i think that i would have zero reason to push her when i did as a teammate - generally when a wolf is being cleared by most of the village, it is incredibly poor play to start distancing, because it possibly blows up their spot by turning people attention on them, and often that type of distancing is easy to spot. I'm someone who busses, but I do so when I believe my teammate has no chance of endgaming anyway. pushing abi there as a teammate would basically be throwing. This is to say nothing of the fact that i feel like her teammate bussing her would probably cause her to get pissed off at me and stop playing to win.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:06 am Gira: Ran didn’t push Tony and I have receipts!
Receipts: Gira is wrong
Gira: Well…Ran is still a wolf.

wow what did that strawman ever do to you

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 2:36 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 2:34 am

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 2:33 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 2:31 am i guess the village had only 2 PRs this game

a roleblocker and a tracker

tbh it’s not that unbalanced, but the tracker is limited in shots and the PRs would still be lower than the number of wolves

If the wolves only have one PR, that'd be pretty balanced; your word is the only evidence that a fourth PR is in play. Although we don't know enough about the wolves' roles in general to make a firm conclusion either way.

have i miscounted? who tf is our forth pr?

We have one flipped town PR and one flipped wolf PR, and my PR claim is fairly accepted. You'd be the fourth.

generally speaking balance is thought of in terms of # of town PRs

additionally the mafia all have roles that are quite powerful - the notion that mafia could have a bus driver + janitor + (roleblocker?) and only 2 town PRs would be really scumsided

though if you legit had a 3rd shot of your PR use it's probable you were in fact blocked by wind rather than the mafia

still i think mafia don't have a janitor in particular if there are no prs to actually hide

i don't know why i'm up until 1:30 AM posting in a game thread i hate being in, later

Made wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 2:21 am I dont think we have enough information to do game balance pr role analysis. for all we know the other thread is mountainous.

we can weigh the risk of mischopping a claimed powerrole, but the ration of pr being a reason why someone is scum/town feels a step too far

why do you always post like this and not, like

having actual takes, independent analysis?

(i also disagree heavily that we can't do setup speculation but i don't want to turn this into a debate)

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 2:12 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 2:10 am what reaction would you have expected to get out of gira / made?

Have you ever seen a reaction test before? Whether or not they believe the claim, whether they fight back or shut down, etc. Although Gira made me end it early, I would have liked to try it on at least one more.

sorry but i really can't play along there, because then i'd have to fake my reaction which i am hardwired to not do as a villager, because then if people don't like my reaction i have to explain i was lying

the more you switch targets the less people are willing to believe it anyway

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 2:11 am ran / abi / gira / rondo

2 in here

do you realistically believe i could actually be aligned with any of them

backreading also reminded me that leetic looks really good off tsp interaction not that i had cause for doubt