The Syndicate

Dizzy *

Actually, just to make sure I have all bases covered I’ll cover fizzy too

@Dyslexicon can you talk me through your reads rn and your thought process behind your actions this game? I was a bit surprised when I saw you vote me today without waiting to here my thoughts first

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:08 am You towncased me on Day 2 when Sloonei wanted my head, did you change your mind ilario?

not yet, i think as a wolf u would probably prioritize voting me over gman today.

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:40 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:34 pm Okay let me clear some things:

I was busy with irl duties and assignments for majority of yesterday day phase, I also had committed to a team game earlier and it was my day to play so what little time I had to spare was spent there. I intended to come back for the second half of day 4 in order to make up for my absence but then the day ended early which is something that almost never happen on MU so I wasn’t expecting that.

I’m not new to forum mafia, and I’m a good wolf. I’ve tricked spf the last 3 times I wolfed against her and JJJ townread me confidently the only time I ever wolfed against him. I’m not posting this to brag or anything but to assert that I’m no fool when it comes to mafia. If I see soa get voted out the previous day for not playing enough, then I don’t ever decide to follow suit the next day by 0 posting as his partner and getting into the same predicament he did. I also wouldn’t so obviously align myself with my partner like the way that I’ve interacted with soa this game. There is a lot of focus on how I read soa this game which I feel like is being blown out of proportion. Sure the read was wrong, but it was a day 1 read and it was a read that I started to reconsider as the game went on. Spf is a confirmed town and she also trd soa, dizzy who I’m very confident is town also trd soa.

Acknowledging my error on soa is fine and I’m okay with being held accountable for it but i feel as though the good I have done this game shouldn’t be ignored. I got one read wrong on d1 but all my other reads seemed to be good, I trd spf and jjj immediately. Sloonei soon followed. I found dizzy as town and then towards the end of the day suspicion was building on marmot and I towncased him and defended him when slots like sloonei were pressuring him. In a world where dizzy and marmot are town, that’s 5 townies I helped find and solidify a core with initially.

I was also quick to find NAA and Johanna as towny on d2 and I think at most, there would be 1 mafia in between them, if none. So again, I would argue that’s another point in my favour.

So where I’m at now is that I can agree that that gman is very likely to be a hit, that’s something I’ve felt for a while now.

I don’t intend to spend much other time than this post to talk about myself. I feel as though there will be an inclination to follow jjjs reads, which is understandable, he’s a good player that put in significant effort into the game and if I were anyone else other than the person he accused I would probably consider following his solve myself. I also don’t think falcon is mafia, after seeing a few flips and having time to think I don’t feel like falcon makes sense as mafia to me this game. There was a point in d1, where sig was being voted and I recall soa trying to rally people into voting falcon. It doesn’t not make sense for soa to bus a teammate in that scenario where wolves had a free town miselim lined up with sig.

I feel confident in dizzy and falcon both being town. I intend to spend the rest of the day combing through to make sure nobody else that I initially townread had been miscleared so that I can Atleast leave town with a legacy solve in the instance I ever get voted.

On a side note: a part of me still doesn’t believe that tsp is fruit vendor and I keep getting the paranoia that someone like NAA is trying to do some kind of tricky play where they hide as fruit vendor thinking that tsp is a Vt covering for them. Tsp just isn’t playing the game like a clear would, he barely has any thread presence and doesn’t assert himself into the game, nor do I see any drive to solve from him. I Believe his claim so little that I even went back to check my inbox to see if that maybe I was a fruit vendor who didn’t notice, and I suggest others do the same.

Also a PS to dizzy: I get that you may feel peer pressured to be suspicious of me and that’s fine. I still think ur town but if u fos me that’s cool and understandable, regardless the outcome of this game I meant everything I said and I think ur hilarious and just great to be around, hopefully we can town again in the future.

That RL sometimes dumps a wagonload of crap in our laps is understandable. I have a long list of unfortunate events to share once this game is over. But we can't hide behind it or use it as an excuse at this point.

You just soft cleared four of the seven remaining players not named Ilario in your post up there. The three you didn't soft clear are me, Marmot, and TSP. If, as you say, TSP is faking a fruit vendor claim, then you seem to still think he's town. (He's got to be town or else we're living in the stupidest spot in the multiverse for team strategy.) You hedge and say that there COULD be a baddie between NAA and Johanna. Does that mean you look for two baddies in the pool of Johanna/Marmot/NAA tomorrow if I am mischopped today?

Also, why? We all need a lot of why from you.

i havent cleared naa or johanna yet

im starting from ground 0 with falcon and dizzy being town as a framework for now.

You just said in that post I quoted that you feel bad

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:06 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:01 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:33 pm I don't think we yeet ilario immediately. I think we should at least give him a chance to show up and defend himself (or spew his final partner)

Yeah, he's been impeded from posting the last couple days due to quick hammers, I feel bad as well.

Why did you say this when you were opening the day asking for a quick hammer on me?

Coz I'm a dikc

So why would u feel bad then?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:53 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:34 pm I was busy with irl duties and assignments for majority of yesterday day phase, I also had committed to a team game earlier and it was my day to play so what little time I had to spare was spent there. I intended to come back for the second half of day 4 in order to make up for my absence but then the day ended early which is something that almost never happen on MU so I wasn’t expecting that.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:34 pm If I see soa get voted out the previous day for not playing enough, then I don’t ever decide to follow suit the next day by 0 posting as his partner and getting into the same predicament he did.

I actually think this post is somewhat towny (I won't give my reasons), and the angleshoot is nice too... But yeah, this quoted part is kind of funny.

The biggest thing I get out of this post is that you want your mafia play to be respected, and not get voted out for something silly/IRL, which I waffle on a bit, is this something you would feel equally as town and mafia.

“ is this something you would feel equally as town and mafia.”

Ummmm I think I probably would? Idk I really don’t think I’d get in this situation toon to begin with as mafia because I consider myself to be a team player and if I 0 posted as scum I’d be letting the team down. As town I’m more likely to 0 post because I can usually towntell my way out of most sticky situations and if worst comes to worst I can use the info I get from the people pushing me to Atleast come to a concrete solve for town to follow.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:51 pm Day 1 Votes

Spoiler: show

sig (6) --- Lime Coke #505, JaggedJimmyJay #739, Sloonei #922, ilario #964, staypositivefriend #965, Dyslexicon #975

G-Man (2) --- TonyStarkPrime #864, NotAnAxehole [???]

TonyStarkPrime (1) --- Marmot #693

NotAnAxehole (1) --- Dolby #874

ilario (1) --- falcon #925

falcon (1) --- Son of Anarch #942

Dyslexicon (1) --- sig #973

No Vote --- G-Man, Johanna

Day 2 Votes

Spoiler: show

Lime Coke (7) --- ilario #1371, Sloonei #2012, TonyStarkPrime #2052, JaggedJimmyJay #2059, NotAnxehole #2269, Dyslexicon #2284, Marmot #2296

falcon (3) --- G-Man #1902, Johanna #2103, Dolby #2241

ilario (1) --- falcon #1307

No Vote --- Lime Coke #1966, Son of Anarch, staypositivefriend

Day 3 Votes

Spoiler: show

Son of Anarch (6) --- Marmot #2779, Johanna #2789, TonyStarkPrime #2863, Dolby #2916, NotAnAxehole #2933, JaggedJimmyJay #3022

Dolby (3) --- Sloonei #2557, ilario #2892, Son of Anarch #2955

G-Man (1) --- falcon #2825

No Vote --- Dyslexicon #2992, G-Man

Day 4 Votes

Spoiler: show

Dolby (5) --- NotAnAxehole #3142, Dyslexicon #3146, falcon #3176, Marmot #3240, JaggedJimmyJay #3245

falcon (1) --- G-Man #3092

No Vote --- Dolby, ilario, Johanna, TonyStarkPrime

LOL so if I’m not misreading dizzy then the sig wagon was pure...that’s interesting

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:33 pm I don't think we yeet ilario immediately. I think we should at least give him a chance to show up and defend himself (or spew his final partner)

Yeah, he's been impeded from posting the last couple days due to quick hammers, I feel bad as well.

Why did you say this when you were opening the day asking for a quick hammer on me?

Give me the full day to solve and then u can vote me Idm

All I ask is you don’t quick hammer today

I had that all pretyped before I saw the poison today and couldn’t be bothered changing it


But I’m glad to know the tsp tinfoil is wrong

Okay let me clear some things:

I was busy with irl duties and assignments for majority of yesterday day phase, I also had committed to a team game earlier and it was my day to play so what little time I had to spare was spent there. I intended to come back for the second half of day 4 in order to make up for my absence but then the day ended early which is something that almost never happen on MU so I wasn’t expecting that.

I’m not new to forum mafia, and I’m a good wolf. I’ve tricked spf the last 3 times I wolfed against her and JJJ townread me confidently the only time I ever wolfed against him. I’m not posting this to brag or anything but to assert that I’m no fool when it comes to mafia. If I see soa get voted out the previous day for not playing enough, then I don’t ever decide to follow suit the next day by 0 posting as his partner and getting into the same predicament he did. I also wouldn’t so obviously align myself with my partner like the way that I’ve interacted with soa this game. There is a lot of focus on how I read soa this game which I feel like is being blown out of proportion. Sure the read was wrong, but it was a day 1 read and it was a read that I started to reconsider as the game went on. Spf is a confirmed town and she also trd soa, dizzy who I’m very confident is town also trd soa.

Acknowledging my error on soa is fine and I’m okay with being held accountable for it but i feel as though the good I have done this game shouldn’t be ignored. I got one read wrong on d1 but all my other reads seemed to be good, I trd spf and jjj immediately. Sloonei soon followed. I found dizzy as town and then towards the end of the day suspicion was building on marmot and I towncased him and defended him when slots like sloonei were pressuring him. In a world where dizzy and marmot are town, that’s 5 townies I helped find and solidify a core with initially.

I was also quick to find NAA and Johanna as towny on d2 and I think at most, there would be 1 mafia in between them, if none. So again, I would argue that’s another point in my favour.

So where I’m at now is that I can agree that that gman is very likely to be a hit, that’s something I’ve felt for a while now.

I don’t intend to spend much other time than this post to talk about myself. I feel as though there will be an inclination to follow jjjs reads, which is understandable, he’s a good player that put in significant effort into the game and if I were anyone else other than the person he accused I would probably consider following his solve myself. I also don’t think falcon is mafia, after seeing a few flips and having time to think I don’t feel like falcon makes sense as mafia to me this game. There was a point in d1, where sig was being voted and I recall soa trying to rally people into voting falcon. It doesn’t not make sense for soa to bus a teammate in that scenario where wolves had a free town miselim lined up with sig.

I feel confident in dizzy and falcon both being town. I intend to spend the rest of the day combing through to make sure nobody else that I initially townread had been miscleared so that I can Atleast leave town with a legacy solve in the instance I ever get voted.

On a side note: a part of me still doesn’t believe that tsp is fruit vendor and I keep getting the paranoia that someone like NAA is trying to do some kind of tricky play where they hide as fruit vendor thinking that tsp is a Vt covering for them. Tsp just isn’t playing the game like a clear would, he barely has any thread presence and doesn’t assert himself into the game, nor do I see any drive to solve from him. I Believe his claim so little that I even went back to check my inbox to see if that maybe I was a fruit vendor who didn’t notice, and I suggest others do the same.

Also a PS to dizzy: I get that you may feel peer pressured to be suspicious of me and that’s fine. I still think ur town but if u fos me that’s cool and understandable, regardless the outcome of this game I meant everything I said and I think ur hilarious and just great to be around, hopefully we can town again in the future.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:21 am

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:25 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:18 pm @ilario just for the log, is Son of Anarch still a town read?

You might want to try to get them to explain why they aren't adopting your PoE (and mine - as they are more or less the same for this purpose).

If they adopt it, then they have to re-evaluate their world, which they refuse to do on the basis that my PoE is garbage, which I assume means yours is as well.

I have considered all of jjjs reads this game lol and he’s the major reason why I doubted my stance on soa

Just so we're clear, you still think my PoE is terrible though, yes?

I dismissed it the moment you refused to engage with me the reasoning of your reads

It could be somewhat decent for all I know

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:18 pm @ilario just for the log, is Son of Anarch still a town read?

You might want to try to get them to explain why they aren't adopting your PoE (and mine - as they are more or less the same for this purpose).

If they adopt it, then they have to re-evaluate their world, which they refuse to do on the basis that my PoE is garbage, which I assume means yours is as well.

I have considered all of jjjs reads this game lol and he’s the major reason why I doubted my stance on soa

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:18 pm @ilario just for the log, is Son of Anarch still a town read?

He’s been trending down and down

But that’s mostly because others are trending up and not so much due to the fact that he has done anything I find to be scummy

I think falcons reasoning for all his votes, like his recent vote on gman are all incredibly shallow and in a world where falcon is scum I feel better about soa

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:57 pm Tripping up a little over Ilario. For me, they are about a 75% null read. It's a new face to me, in a game full of new faces to me, so it's tough.

This post...

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:42 pm Fwiw I think it’s a dangerous road to go down if we already expect the zero posters to be scum heavy, or set an expectation that there’s a high number of scum in the zero posters. Whilst I feel good about the towncore atm the best indicator of that we are going astray would be if the zero posters come in and start towntelling. But I feel as though if we already have an arbitrary expectation that the zero posters will be scum heavy then we set ourselves to a bias and almost predispose ourselves to finding them more scummy than they actually might be once they do start speaking. I think if you approach someone with the mentality of thinking they’re likely to be scum then you’re more likely to misread them.

...I like more on the ISO review, because it's an honest assessment of the potential pitfalls of all the TR lovefest vibes from the first half of Day 1. I don't know that I would bother stringing something like that together if I was a baddie.

I do have a question for @ilario however:

You've been pretty agreeable with the consensus that I am a good chop choice, but why? If it's simply because you've already filled too many civvie slots with other people in your mind, haven't you betrayed your aforementioned admonition? Point to something qualitative that suggests I am a baddie. Otherwise, it seems like you're glomming along with me as an easy chop, which makes me want to hold you in my POE still.

LOLLLLL that’s trippy that I see this post from you right after I made a post walking back my read on you. Honestly my original viewpoint on you was that I had almost no reason to tr you for, and then I saw some of your posts on this page(57) and now I’m not sure

Gmans recent posts have been pretty decent, decent enough for me to want to reconsider my read on him actually

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:15 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:23 pm Maybe dumb read, but Dolby seemed the most bothered about "the triad" and even dubbed it as so. And then spf and Sloonei is poisoned. MANY CONVENE MUCH SUSPICIOUS

This actually moves me a bit, so I don't think it's dumb. I can also note that Dolby has chosen me (quite specifically me, while still strongly town reading Sloonei) as the member of the triad to tinfoil.

Here I am, alive and unpoisoned.

Lol this is a towny perspective

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:01 pm I prefer Dolby over G-Man over SOA. Like, it may matter a lot, but it also may not matter at all.

okayyyyy i trust ur judgement

vote:dolby

Also if anyone cc’s tsp just know that I’ll 100% believe your claim over him so if there is a fruit vendor out there can you pls pls pls claim lol

Also, her thinking I could have been pocketing her is kinda a towny mindset. I think as mafia she would just accept me tr on her and let it be

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:39 pm @Johanna and @ilario I'd be appreciative if you could each tell me how you feel about/read each other.

It’s hard for me to gauge how experienced she is, she seems to have played a lot of games so maybe I was too quick to lock her in as town. I think she’s more towny than our poe slots fwiw

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:32 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:33 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:31 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:28 pm I think the best piece of evidence I can give to clear myself is that if I was mafia I would just poison myself so I don’t have to read NAAs posts anymore

What?



Do you think he's Maf or Town?

I think He’s town which is why I’m looking for that sweet poison to put me out of my misery

Is it because you're in it? Maybe I've missed it, but this sort of posting completely doesn't jive with what I've seen from you throughout this game

(also I selfishly don't want you posioned cuz you're a fun chap)

Awww thanks I like playing with you too

Yes u can rest assured I’m with you on the town train

Oh well I just voted:gman and I see that my top towns and sloonei are on Dolby, if y’all want me to change lmk

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:31 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:28 pm I think the best piece of evidence I can give to clear myself is that if I was mafia I would just poison myself so I don’t have to read NAAs posts anymore

What?



Do you think he's Maf or Town?

I think He’s town which is why I’m looking for that sweet poison to put me out of my misery

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:30 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:28 pm I think the best piece of evidence I can give to clear myself is that if I was mafia I would just poison myself so I don’t have to read NAAs posts anymore

We've established you don't care about PoE, and that you can't read Lime Coke which I thought you had a "good" track record on. You've been wrong x2 and still mock my posts / my reads

I care about poe, just not yours lol

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:24 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:18 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:17 am Being a consensus townread is unfamiliar territory. Should I change how I dress or something

Do you agree on the game state at least?

Almost. I'd replace ilario with g-man in my list.

That said, a poe of 4 right now doesn't feel right, especially after Lime Coke was a miss yesterday. It feels too easy. Like, if ilario, Dizzy, JJJ and myself are all town, how did we collectively get sig, and then that one wrong?

That’s kind of why I was tinfoiling sloonei/jjj yesterday

But I think given jjjs posting eod + his conviction to solve + sloonei being poisoned today as the watcher claim I’m just gonna accept that we’re all town and simply just misvoted

I think the best piece of evidence I can give to clear myself is that if I was mafia I would just poison myself so I don’t have to read NAAs posts anymore

A part of me would hate losing to NAA if he’s mafia, but I think he’s probably just town

And then afterwards I’d probably explore into falcon/Dolby

Hmmmm I think gman is the most likely to be a hit fmpov

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:46 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:44 pm Like, I get all happy just from Ilario showing up. Maybe I'm too deep in it, but fuck it, he's just town, I just know it.

Also, what's the reasons for him not being town anyway? Except game's hard.

I hope this doesn't annoy people now lol

It doesn't annoy me. If ilario is mafia he's played a fantastic game -- better yet than a strong mafia showing in the MURYM game last month. I don't have some clear or coherent case.

The reason I am exploring this so thoroughly is that the best argument I can come up with for either of you to be mafia is that you trust each other unconditionally for reasons I cannot entirely understand.

This is a game where mafia can town read each other and cruise when it starts at 11 vs. 4. I was also thinking of SoA as being a part of that situation.

To answer this before I go,

The best way to explain it from my POV is how u read sloonei. To an outsider it doesn’t make sense and it feels like we’re missing something. I assume it amounts to nothing less than a soul read because u have very similar philosophies about how the game should be played as either alignment and your approach to it as both, and that ur mentalities are similar in that regard. I felt the same feeling with dizzy

Anyways I gtg classs illl be on laterrrr

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:44 pm Like, I get all happy just from Ilario showing up. Maybe I'm too deep in it, but fuck it, he's just town, I just know it.

Also, what's the reasons for him not being town anyway? Except game's hard.

I hope this doesn't annoy people now lol

Lmaoooo I got sad when I saw u claim watcher because that meant u were gonna die soon

Also, fun fact, I set my alarm exactly to when the day started Incase tsp was poisoned because I was gonna claim watcher on him just like u did lol

But then I slept in and tsp didn’t even get poisoned

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:44 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:43 pm Fwiw, I came around to just dropping the jjj tinfoil yesterday after his interaction with NAA

What was it about that interaction that made you feel that way?

It was your entire reaction to him being rude to you and trying to start a wagon on you eod

Fwiw, I came around to just dropping the jjj tinfoil yesterday after his interaction with NAA

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:20 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:06 pmIt might help me. I am more willing to listen to that kind of thing than many would be.

Ok. It's about my read on Ilario. This kind of emotional read doesn't exist if I'm mafia, and it's not something I fake. I don't fake and encourage that kind of emotional connection as mafia, especially towards a player that is new to me. I do think that would be kind of... I don't know what word to use, but not like me. It's not that I don't believe it's not within the bounds of the game to do that, but it's just not something I would encourage. I'm averse to thinking he's doing that exact thing to me, although if he does, I'm not mad about it, and it's completely fine in a mafia game. I just think most people wouldn't. So that's that. Unless of course, you think we're both mafia lol. Which would be funny, but we're not.

Also, in general terms, if I'm town, I bring a good energy to the game, and as mafia I can't bring that (and often I actually bring a sour energy to the game that makes the game harder on everyone, though it's not always clear where that energy comes from lol (this some deep self meta for you)). I'd say more, but I think that's enough for now =p

I'm uncertain of what you mean by "an emotional read". Could you explain that a little more, or even point to what you mean if you've explained that already?

To me, it sounds like a townie-mindmeld type of deal, but it seems to have more impact on you than that.

nah it goes both ways lol, ive only had one game with dizzy and hes already one of my fav people to play fm with

also, can someone pls cc tsp cos i really dont believe any of his claims and think hes probs mafia for not being poisoned

Okayyy thanks for explaining that, it helped me understand your thought process better

Ughh this game feels hard already despite d1 feeling so promising :/

True, but fmpov that feels like vague reasoning. The notion that slots similar to his have flipped mafia before also leaves room for the counter argument that slots similar to his have also flipped town, and I find it hard to relate that line of thinking to anything tangible thats related to this specific game. In essence, what I’m trying to say is that argument can be used about almost any slot don’t you think?

It could simply be a case of me overthinking things. Regardless i wouldn’t ever consider pushing you until more red flags pop up,Or the paranoia dies down within me. but similar to yourself I like being transparent with what my thoughts are so I figured I may as well air out my suspicions.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:21 am @ilario I’m not actually clear on why you suspect me. Is this sourced entirely in me wondering aloud about the SPF poisoning or are there other concerns?

If you want to worry about a “frame” that’s your prerogative. I would ask you to consider though what I have actually done with that, or more precisely what I haven’t done. If something enters my brain I will often voice it, because I value transparency and communication. That doesn’t mean though that I am going to take all of those individual thoughts and run with them. That rationale is not anything resembling a priority within my current view of the game.

Hmmm I think it’s a mixture of your d1 treatment of lc as well as I feel like you’ve been subtlety trying to plant seeds of doubt about soa and myself throughout the day. I generally am a paranoid player so I could be overthinking this and seeing things that aren’t there, or I could simply just be misreading soa in which case ur suspicions are well founded. But that’s kinda the vibe I’ve been getting.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:14 am

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:34 am If spf wasn’t clear I’d probably be fossing her rn because I hate how she’s set up a false dichotomy between me and lc

i am mafia

(also i think there is a possibility that you/lc are both villagers. i just got the sense that your dynamic on d1 was not pure, and it looks like i may have been right about that)

Yeah but your post is essentially setting us up for failure if I’m wrong about lime, because then in that case people are just gonna misuse your theory about there having to be a wolf between me and lime and use it to push me. That coupled with the idea that “a player from epic mafia is likely to poison spf” essentially is sealing my fate in a world where lc is town.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:14 am

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:30 am If I had to gth pick who is more likely wolf in the two I’d probably say jjj, but I keep going back and forth in the two

fwiw i am highly doubtful that one of them would be a wolf in this game without the other also being a wolf. i think that they are aligned, much like macdougall/kane were aligned in that recent game on MU if u remember what i mean. i also think theyre both town because i find both of them independently villagery and because nobody has expressed concerns about either of them that resonate with me

“Because nobody has expressed concerns”

This is why I asked if anyone has caught them ever as a wolf. Because realistically, if nobody has the first hand experience to catch either as a wolf, then the argument that “nobody fosses them” isn’t sufficient to me. (Though I’m sure dizzy could if he were here and present because dizzy is A goat)

You said it yourself, if jjj is a wolf the signs probably wouldn’t start showing until later on. I’m sure he’s good enough to know how to mask himself for the first couple of days when it’s easiest to hide.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:11 am

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:22 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:54 am @ilario -

when you get the chance, could you please discuss your read on lime coke in more detail? it is true that you briefly engaged with lime coke about your concerns, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 18#p855818), accepted lime coke's explanation, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 33#p855833), and then brought up the exact same concern a dayphase later. is there anything else about lime coke that you find especially concerning?

the question here, i think, is whether or not it's wolfy for ilario to wolfread lime coke with that specific reasoning. given that:

A. illario had a pretty gradual build-up of suspicion of lime coke throughout his ISO

B. illario made other posts that implied his issues with lime coke extended beyond: "i don't like he outed his read on me" (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 727#p85572)

C. illario tends to read other players based on how they are reading him

i do not think that his read on lime coke is inherently wolfy. it fits with whatever conception i have of what an "illario wolfread" looks like. i find it believable that the read could come from ilario as a villager, but it would help me a lot if he was more specific about his concerns

A) the sus wasn’t build up. It was there from the beginning, I just didn’t want to express it immediately because I hate it when people gang up on lc regardless of his alignment. I wanted him to settle into the game first to avoid any potential toxicity.

B) my other reasons are not anything unique to what’s already been said. I didn’t like when he mentioned there’s slots scummier than himself as a way to defend himself, but this has already been mentioned. And his initial tr on sloonei also felt awkward to me.

I’m similar to you in that I haven’t seen that eureka moment where lcs towniness hits me, and that usually happens fairly early when he’s town

mm okay, who would u say ur top suspicion is right now outside of lime coke?

Gman probably but that’s boring

If spf wasn’t clear I’d probably be fossing her rn because I hate how she’s set up a false dichotomy between me and lc

If I had to gth pick who is more likely wolf in the two I’d probably say jjj, but I keep going back and forth in the two

I still maintain that soa is more villagery than the jjj/sloonei duo and I’m willing to die on that hill

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:50 pm 1-2 wolves in dolby/g-man, 1 wolf in illario/limecoke, 1-2 wolves in falcon/SoA/TSP

disagree on the last part

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:17 am

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:09 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:27 pm hey illario, what are ur current feeling about lc? u still think he's a wolf?

I hate to say this and be wrong, but as I’m reading through his wall posts I still think he is. I think he tends to take the busywork approach when he’s being fossed as a wolf whereas as town his solving is moreso focussed on live interactions and engaging with people

How am I supposed to do that when no one is posting?

Yeah I get that. Ur kinda in a sticky situation where I think my read on you at this point is going to start confbiasing itself, but I do think the busywork you’re doing, whilst very much appreciated, is something you tend to do as mafia very often. On the chance I am wrong, I’m still reading everything you post and will heavily consider your reads if you do end up dying