The Syndicate

alright

[VOTE: RURI] aubergine

@Gavial

but yeah i'd be much more tempted to hammer if we got to see what she is immediately, lol

it stands for chinese fire drill and refers to a new wagon EOD that wasn't discussed prior

well hammering will probably result in hours before actually seeing what she flips so im not hella eager lol

i guess i'll see if Michelle/LP have anything else to say but besides that feels pointless to drag the day out

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:27 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:58 am so clearly everyone is confused by my actions to the point where some are even paranoid about me so ill come clean and say i only have 1 shot and wanted to bait the nightkill by acting like i had multiple

my reads are completely worthless as i havent read the game completely nor will i ever do so, so even if im conftown id be better off dead in my eyes

ahhhh gotcha

MM remember not to holster your cop tonight because you're running on a limited timeline if you're real so saving checks doesn't make sense.

TBH i want to early hammer because ending at 6 AM PST sucks but idk if we should do it this early.

should i hammer Ruri

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:19 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:18 pm it doesn't matter anyway since it's at least one useless not "one useless"
Yeah, good save. Mac was probably useless... Probably... Also...

i mean i'd have to jump a whole lot of loops to believe an SK exists with the realization that Wilgy died for not meeting his wincon
i didn't realize people just died if they didn't meet their wincon at first so i thought there was an actual SK

it doesn't matter anyway since it's at least one useless not "one useless"

it says "there's at least one role that's pointless" so there could be multiple too

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:04 pm also axe why the fuck are you still tryna force the idea that mac was the useless role

i mean he probably was considering the N1 falcon kill was me, and Wilgy apparently died due to his wincon so there's prob no SK.

Ruri is kinda like that regardless of alignment btw. but she's definitely someone you don't want in endgame.

oh, you mean because you could only protect them for one day
but they can still say if they got the check to confirm the role
i doubt mafia would have a role that gives out free cop checks.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:44 pm Like what Mafia looks at a wagon formed on them and thinks the best possible defense would be to claim they don't know what their role does and admit they haven't used an arguably strong ability yet?
I think we should have Ruri use their ability tonight and lynch someone else. I just find the other claims more suspicious than Ruri's since at least Ruri is claiming a reasonable role imo.
Of course Ruri can't actually say who they target because it's not like we can protect that player with a Random Doctor and they'd need to survive until day 5 to actually be able to use the Cop check.

can't you protect them with your role?

i feel strongly Michelle is town, though
and also we know an insane cop probably exists.

maybe let Ruri self resolve by giving the cop to someone you protect?

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:34 pm I still cannot really fathom why a Mafia would ever think that claiming what is effectively 1-shot cop that hasn't acted until N3 is ever going to be a good idea.
Even if they are Mafia with that exact role a fake claim would be safer than admitting you didn't ever act.

yeah IDK the whole thing is odd.

OK 11 alive, so 6 is hammer, yes.

uhh how many people are alive
im confused cuz of the mod stuff

but also i feel like Pao, Michelle, and MM are all town
Pao because of the claim shenanigans: I don't think she fakes the same check as Scotty and the same role as Scotty in such a bad lack of coordination and then the next day also says she checked falcon (???)
Michelle because Insane Cop is a town role, she's been villagery, and she didn't really have a reason as mafia to clear me.
MM seems real the way they talked about thinking they're sane because of limited checks and they gave us scotty

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:07 pm Why does Ruri have the most votes?

I voted them because they claimed to be a cop giver but hasn't used their power which is ??????????
also that existing with 2 other town cops and a town lie detector feels unlikely

TBH yeah i feel like he's lying about being jester.

someone said if jester yeets everyone else doesn't lose when i asked day one lol

tbh i don't know what to make of you as a whole but i don't want to vote because really not seeing you paired w/Scotty.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:18 pm Also, I'm not dying today, so a push today doesn't help my wincon.

doesn't a jester win if yeeted?

why are you so mad about Michelle pushing you if you're 3rd party Jester?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:15 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:15 pm NAA, have you claimed?
Yes

what are you?

also, the push from Michelle is towny regardless of your alignment, and her claim is pretty much always town anyways.

NAA, have you claimed?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:12 pm I have heard that for reading me, it's easiest to ignore everything I post and read me on spew because players usually are very opinionated about me, which they don't think to fake as mafia, or don't know how to fake as mafia.

i like how this conveniently comes after i say that i have you as town from spew lol

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:10 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:09 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:04 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:26 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:25 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:24 pm Wait, does plurality mean hammer is in place?
No that’s Majority. Plurality is who has the most votes at the end of the day phase. Both are in effect.
Mod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.
after Gav says this, NAA starts acting like Gav somehow modconfirmed/OGI'd Scotty as town

idk it didn't feel partnery to me
I respect your opinion but I keep mine.

If he plays in a way as town why don't replicate it when he rands scum?
I'm an easy read, you just don't got it.

is she a wolf or is she bad at reading you?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:08 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:04 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:26 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:25 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:24 pm Wait, does plurality mean hammer is in place?
No that’s Majority. Plurality is who has the most votes at the end of the day phase. Both are in effect.
Mod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.
after Gav says this, NAA starts acting like Gav somehow modconfirmed/OGI'd Scotty as town

idk it didn't feel partnery to me
I respect your opinion but I keep mine.

If he plays in a way as town why don't replicate it when he rands scum?

he could, but i'm just seeing the wildness as NAI. i honestly personally felt like Scotty's treatment of him spewed him town (or 3P: not aligned with Scotty) and i'm generally decent with spew

[VOTE: RURI] aubergine

for now

Michelle: Insane Cop
MM: Sane Cop
Pao: Lie detector who can detect alignments
Ruri: Cop giver

how can all of those be town tbh

also Ruri has literally not used her power which is weird

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:03 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:58 pm Michelle, I feel like the way Scotty treated NAA with his claim would be weird if they were W/W
like, Scotty claiming that the VT claim was a lie, then NAA saying that was true but that his role would show up as VT, then Scotty saying that he thinks the information he received was a lie, etc

idk, i think he could be some kind of 3P but i don't really see the W/W stuff
His focus on me since I started to suspect him is really odd.
I think wolves have different means to play /distance /fake, not only the ones you know /use

i suppose
i just know i heard a lot of things about NAA that make me think some of the reasons you suspect them are very much just playstyle

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:26 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:25 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:24 pm Wait, does plurality mean hammer is in place?
No that’s Majority. Plurality is who has the most votes at the end of the day phase. Both are in effect.
Mod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.

after Gav says this, NAA starts acting like Gav somehow modconfirmed/OGI'd Scotty as town

idk it didn't feel partnery to me

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:58 am
Spoiler: show

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:14 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:11 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:09 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:05 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:03 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:00 pm

Yeah, I am lobbying to have someone generate a new one for me.
Well the “white placard in front of the void” chic is definitely a vibe

I don’t believe you to be VT. Of all the phrases Gav listed, I believe the “one role is useless” to be the one that is a lie.
why though
Why can NAA be town?

Yea it’s purely based on gut, but then again, it is Gavial, so watch the lie actually be ‘There is at least one town’ and I’m about to get clowned
i was in champs spectator chat where Alison was complaining about how bad he (NAA) was as scum and how he barely posted so coming in with energy/confidence the way he did may be >rand town

lol i don't know Gavial, but going to assume the set-up wouldn't be that level of insane
My last game NAA was mafia and I spec’d another when he was bad over the summer so even tho small sample size I think I have a good idea of his scum games

I’m fully noncommittal right now. He needs time to marinate like an egg on the sidewalk

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:16 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:11 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:09 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:05 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:03 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:00 pm

Yeah, I am lobbying to have someone generate a new one for me.
Well the “white placard in front of the void” chic is definitely a vibe

I don’t believe you to be VT. Of all the phrases Gav listed, I believe the “one role is useless” to be the one that is a lie.
why though
Why can NAA be town?

Yea it’s purely based on gut, but then again, it is Gavial, so watch the lie actually be ‘There is at least one town’ and I’m about to get clowned
i was in champs spectator chat where Alison was complaining about how bad he (NAA) was as scum and how he barely posted so coming in with energy/confidence the way he did may be >rand town

lol i don't know Gavial, but going to assume the set-up wouldn't be that level of insane
Also to add on to your point- he was basically running the thread as scum in the last game…Granted, the rest of town was basically taking siestas but take from that what u will

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:21 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:17 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:16 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:11 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:09 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:05 pm

why though
Why can NAA be town?

Yea it’s purely based on gut, but then again, it is Gavial, so watch the lie actually be ‘There is at least one town’ and I’m about to get clowned
i was in champs spectator chat where Alison was complaining about how bad he (NAA) was as scum and how he barely posted so coming in with energy/confidence the way he did may be >rand town

lol i don't know Gavial, but going to assume the set-up wouldn't be that level of insane
Also to add on to your point- he was basically running the thread as scum in the last game…Granted, the rest of town was basically taking siestas but take from that what u will
I mean, I think we can all agree that your opinion is basically irrelevant when put next to Alison.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:27 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:26 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:25 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:24 pm Wait, does plurality mean hammer is in place?
No that’s Majority. Plurality is who has the most votes at the end of the day phase. Both are in effect.
Mod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.
I’ll show you a tone

Alexa, play me a tone

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 2:13 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 2:06 pm i will never vote mac as we are both victims
yea i mean if we want to really read into this, the host chose 3 people to randomly nickname: Mac, you and falcon.

Could be said you're probably all town. Could be said.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 4:00 pm Never met 5 of you.

Putting placeholder on sig for now. We go way back
Scotty's early interactions are with NAA and Alexa.
Alexa is confirmed town by my check, so what's the reason for Scotty to interact that much with another townie? None, he have to distance from a partner, because that's the way mafia can win later in the game, right?
Some meta throwed itt to support a town read for NAA, who wasn't townie one bit, btw, and a suspish emoji as answer at a post, that's not a real intent to pocket a townie.
There is a difference in the way he talked to Alexa vs the way he talked to NAA. Psychologically, NAA was treated like a buddy.

MM, Mac and Falcon had all the name mistaken in the poll and Scotty was TRing all. Rule of 3 says one may be mafia, but the names weren't chosen by Scotty, so no
I reffuse paranoia on MM atm.

ehh, i'm not sure i fully see this? as mafia i try to interact with as many towns as possible, because people townread those who interact with them

OH ALSO there was another non W/W thing, one sec

that said i will actually read through your stuff now

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:58 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:53 pm Michelle, I said Pao was obvious town because of the way they treated their claim. but idk, maybe i'm jumping the gun a bit because i'm kind of confused by there being 2 cops and a lie detector that can be used as a cop?
I can target him overnight i guess, but I would prefer to clear someone else. Not gonna say it because I guess Mac died because of the check

imo target in SOA/sig/Ruri/Marmot

Michelle, I feel like the way Scotty treated NAA with his claim would be weird if they were W/W
like, Scotty claiming that the VT claim was a lie, then NAA saying that was true but that his role would show up as VT, then Scotty saying that he thinks the information he received was a lie, etc

idk, i think he could be some kind of 3P but i don't really see the W/W stuff

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:55 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:50 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:40 pm Also, @Marmot I don't like TWTBW reads because for me, I don't actually believe that I've done anything even remotely wolfy... Yeah, crazy anti-town at times, but no one is more anti-town than the town. I think TWTBW reads occur when people have a warped sense of what is alignment indicative.

I think that's the point of TWTBW, the actions of someone look so anti-town, that they probably are just a town player shooting themselves in the foot, which like you kinda say, happens all the time.

Also

Paopan choosing to lie-detect you claiming vanilla (when Gavial claimed there are no vanilla roles) and lie-detecting a dead player (falcon) do not strike me as coming from a mafiachat.

I didn't call you TWTBW though, why are you talking about you here?
Why can't those claims come from the mafia chat?
Please expand on that

if it comes from mafia chat then it shows an utter lack of coordination

oh, day end is Friday 9 AM my time tomorrow, so we have time

BTW, do we know what time this EOD is @Gavial?

oh people have been posting
that was not loading for me cool let me catch up

Michelle, I said Pao was obvious town because of the way they treated their claim. but idk, maybe i'm jumping the gun a bit because i'm kind of confused by there being 2 cops and a lie detector that can be used as a cop?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:27 am
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:26 am
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:25 am OK, let me try that in a shorter way.
The Mafia were not trying to get Wiggly lynched. Most if not all that wagon was Town.
That means Mafia were either not voting or were pushing SoA making SoA less likely to be Mafia, but not impossible.
the only mafia that's flipped is scotty though so how do you know what the mafia was doing
Because everyone in the other wagon is confirmed Town except for Michelle...

errrr
wait but who was on Wiggly?
tbh this site making it hard to view wagons makes it hard for me to tell

but like from a technical standpoint i really don't think mafia being on Wigly VS. someone else would matter bc they wouldn't know he was 3P

ok gn

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