Fortune of Lies [Gameover Mafia Win)

[Michelle]

Work break finished

[Michelle]

@alexa
@Jackofhearts2005
@MafiaMenace
@LinearPoint
please read my last posts and give me your ideas


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Should I add NAA wants a thunderdome tomorrow? There is no way a townie can think like this, for town there is never a better moment than toDay, right now, asap, immediatly.
His mindset is one of a wolf who needs time to get rid of towniest people before such match

[Ruri]

Was reading from my last post to now. Effort, yay.

I saw some cop claims on D1 and thought that means I shouldn't use my role. N2, I forgot. It's not limited.

[Ruri]

I also voted NAA for jester claim. Seems fake.

[Ruri]

@alexa
@Jackofhearts2005
@MafiaMenace
@LinearPoint
please read my last posts and give me your ideas


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Should I add NAA wants a thunderdome tomorrow? There is no way a townie can think like this, for town there is never a better moment than toDay, right now, asap, immediatly.
His mindset is one of a wolf who needs time to get rid of towniest people before such match

They wanted a thunderdome with who?

[Ruri]

@Michelle if you haven't changed your mind by tomorrow, I promise to give you a proper thunder-dome. For now I'm assuming you're still just voting me because you don't like me / don't like how I've played this game, I'll have to progress that into a proper scum read (it's been steadily gaining steam in my thoughts) if you don't get something else going here today.

Also, a thunder-dome with you probably increases my chances of winning quite a bit. Let's go (tomorrow).

Deal?

Oh, this one.

[Michelle]

@Michelle if you haven't changed your mind by tomorrow, I promise to give you a proper thunder-dome. For now I'm assuming you're still just voting me because you don't like me / don't like how I've played this game, I'll have to progress that into a proper scum read (it's been steadily gaining steam in my thoughts) if you don't get something else going here today.

Also, a thunder-dome with you probably increases my chances of winning quite a bit. Let's go (tomorrow).

Deal?

@Ruri

[Michelle]

Yes, that one Ruri

[Michelle]

Also cop claims were in day 2 iirc

[Ruri]

Also cop claims were in day 2 iirc

Oh, probably misremembered. Forgot N1? I remember cop claims making me not do anything.

[NotAnAxehole]

You've yet to make a correct read this game Michelle, it's impressive how dedicated you are to this bad push.

[NotAnAxehole]

Such fixation.

[NotAnAxehole]

I think this game is going to be hard for town if Michelle is in fact of that alignment

[NotAnAxehole]

I also voted NAA for jester claim. Seems fake.

Scotty legitimately believed the claim

[NotAnAxehole]

Also cop claims were in day 2 iirc

Oh, probably misremembered. Forgot N1? I remember cop claims making me not do anything.

Misremembered fake claim feels bad

[Jackofhearts2005]

Honestly I see no reason not to use that ability night 1 on the person you most town read.
Even if they are Mafia, they are forced into giving the Cop results since they cannot lie about having received it without being caught.

Who did Ruri claim to use it on?

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Ruri] aubergine

[LinearPoint]

@alexa
@Jackofhearts2005
@MafiaMenace
@LinearPoint
please read my last posts and give me your ideas


Everyone else can join and give inputs

Should I add NAA wants a thunderdome tomorrow? There is no way a townie can think like this, for town there is never a better moment than toDay, right now, asap, immediatly.
His mindset is one of a wolf who needs time to get rid of towniest people before such match

being honest I don't see those posts as Scotty Townreading NAA, just him pointing out that he does that a lot as scum and town.
And saying that Scotty's early interactions were with Alexa and NAA isn't really anything since early on those were the people posting a lot and he also talked with me a bit from what I remember.
That last line is also just bad because all 3 of those names are confirmed Town so its just kind of pointless to even say it.

Ultimately I don't disagree that NAA could be Mafia just trying to get read as TWTBW, but my current concern lies in the fact that we have a large number of information roles being claimed to the point it's impossible for all of you, Ruri, Paopan, and SoA to be Town.

[LinearPoint]

I think I'm going to vote Paopan. I just can't overlook how bad those checks are and the fact that Scotty claimed Paopan's N1 results which were objectively on a really weird target.
And N2 Paopan didn't target the Oracle claim which we were discussing for him to do so.
I don't see how this cannot be Mafia. Even if he is claiming to be newbie, he claimed this is his 5th game and these are huge mistakes I don't see someone with that experience really making.

[LinearPoint]

Call me paranoid but I think there is a legitimate possibility of SoA being Mafia which is why they didn't check him and instead went to see on the off chance NAA was actually a VT.
I can see NAA actually doing that sort of joke claim as a VT and Scotty was probably wanting it confirmed that he wasn't infact a VT.
Mafia not having daychat would mean that Scotty hoped that NAA was actually a VT like his gut said and claimed so, but Paopan not having read just accidentally CCed him and gave the real result.

[LinearPoint]

Either way NAA being checked by a Lie Detector feels like a Scotty telling Paopan to do so.

[Paopan]

I think I'm going to vote Paopan. I just can't overlook how bad those checks are and the fact that Scotty claimed Paopan's N1 results which were objectively on a really weird target.
And N2 Paopan didn't target the Oracle claim which we were discussing for him to do so.
I don't see how this cannot be Mafia. Even if he is claiming to be newbie, he claimed this is his 5th game and these are huge mistakes I don't see someone with that experience really making.

This is my first vanilla game.

I played FM in the past but they are custom themed. Like, Wizards and Archers. Stuff like that. And evils are Darkness and shits

[Paopan]

Seems u are very infatuated with me. Let's thunderdome LP

[LinearPoint]

Those sound arguably more complex than this though.
What is the actual reason for your checks.

[LinearPoint]

Just something other than you didn’t read the thread because that is what it seems like the reasons were.

[Marmot]

Also notes from today: Marmot feels like fake-solving

It was late and I had trouble formulating thoughts, that could be part of it.

[Marmot]

I think Ruri and Marmot are same alignment. That's why I want a Ruri lynch. I'm fine also with Marmot cos he's most like have the same alignment as Ruri. Based on my reads.
Also, I think Sig is also a good kill cos I don't him very much linked onto this game. I feel Sig as someone who is very disconnected. Hence, I think he's a low-key scum.
I kinda suspect Michelle also. I think he's too "clean" to be a townie. Not a priority lynch but be wary of this slot if she's alive in the later stages of the game.

In any case. I will re-read tonight and I hope to give good info by tomorrow. I also want MM and Michelle to check me tonight to confirm my slot, and doctor on me also. So tomorrow. I can be 100% lock town and the info I will give is true, okay?

Despite my failures. I want to blame the interface cos I can't see who died and who is still alive, yet I want to say that there are some ignorance on my part.

Don't blame the interface, blame the host

But why do you think Ruri and I are connected? I looked through your iso, and you haven't talked about me until this mention of linking us.

[Michelle]

I agree with voting Paopan or Ruri

[Michelle]

When is Eod?

[Michelle]

People run to the bang to see a dead body lying there.
It belongs to a guy named Mac.
There was a note attached to his head:
“There is Balance, which is why there is Chaos and Harmony.
Creation may start out Chaotic but it will eventually fade away.”
Upon the death of that man someone couldn’t take their life anymore and died of a stroke, he was Wilgy as they have failed to achieve their win con.

Mac Role Flip:

Spoiler: show

Town FBI Agent
Each night you may check someone to see if they are a Serial Killer

Win Condition: Eliminate all threats to town.

Wilgy Role Flip:

Spoiler: show

Durable Gravedigger Advocate
Each night you may choose a role from the grave and use its ability ignoring modifiers attached to it.
If you would die, you will die at the end of the following day instead.

Win Condition: Make sure Scotty dies before you do and make sure you die before MacDougall or end game together.

Day 3 Start!
Day ends Friday at 6AM PST (Fite Me!)

Oh, 48 h from this ok

[Marmot]

When is Eod?

Should be in roughly 11 hours based on when the day started

10PM EDT

[MafiaMenace]

so clearly everyone is confused by my actions to the point where some are even paranoid about me so ill come clean and say i only have 1 shot and wanted to bait the nightkill by acting like i had multiple

my reads are completely worthless as i havent read the game completely nor will i ever do so, so even if im conftown id be better off dead in my eyes

[MafiaMenace]

im all for suspecting NAA, hes been borderline openwolfing the entire game, which is why i stated he was a jester claim

[MafiaMenace]

the question is, does a wolf act so olenly scummy to the point he fakes a green check on his partner?

[MafiaMenace]

naas counterpush on michelle looks weak and fabricated
i still stand by the fact that hes likely some kind of 3p

[NotAnAxehole]

naas counterpush on michelle looks weak and fabricated
i still stand by the fact that hes likely some kind of 3p

My issue is that I've been town reading Michelle, it's just her stubborn push on me is really annoying, and my order of yeeting cop / investigative roles is Ruri - Michelle - Paopan - You... So I'm like, at a base I have a town read on Michelle. Michelle hasn't had any good reads this game and insists on this ridiculous push on me, and fails to really build much of a world view outside of that. I question Michelle's role in the context of the game.

So after all of that I go, I don't have enough of a scum read to thunder-dome Michelle, which is what she wants... But at the same time, I probably have to drop my town read.

Tell me how any of this is unreasonable, please.

[Marmot]

im all for suspecting NAA, hes been borderline openwolfing the entire game, which is why i stated he was a jester claim

Did he claim he was jester first, or did you claim he was first?

[NotAnAxehole]

I agree with voting Paopan or Ruri

This is new though, but again doesn't exactly align with her going ham on me when Ruri is her main supporter in this endeavor. I guess you can argue that Ruri is encouraging Michelle because as my partner, Ruri knows that I'm not dying / have no chance of going over, but that's more of a me play. I don't see Ruri making plays like that in any of their games, they seem more like a vote town when you're mafia, vote scum reads when you're town type of player.

[NotAnAxehole]

im all for suspecting NAA, hes been borderline openwolfing the entire game, which is why i stated he was a jester claim

Did he claim he was jester first, or did you claim he was first?

I think I adopted it, but I actually don't remember the sequence of events. Besides, regardless if I'm Jester or not, the goal is for people to not really believe that I'm the Jester.

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, @Marmot I don't like TWTBW reads because for me, I don't actually believe that I've done anything even remotely wolfy... Yeah, crazy anti-town at times, but no one is more anti-town than the town. I think TWTBW reads occur when people have a warped sense of what is alignment indicative.

[Marmot]

Also, @Marmot I don't like TWTBW reads because for me, I don't actually believe that I've done anything even remotely wolfy... Yeah, crazy anti-town at times, but no one is more anti-town than the town. I think TWTBW reads occur when people have a warped sense of what is alignment indicative.

I think that's the point of TWTBW, the actions of someone look so anti-town, that they probably are just a town player shooting themselves in the foot, which like you kinda say, happens all the time.

Also

Paopan choosing to lie-detect you claiming vanilla (when Gavial claimed there are no vanilla roles) and lie-detecting a dead player (falcon) do not strike me as coming from a mafiachat.


I didn't call you TWTBW though, why are you talking about you here?

[alexa]

Michelle, I said Pao was obvious town because of the way they treated their claim. but idk, maybe i'm jumping the gun a bit because i'm kind of confused by there being 2 cops and a lie detector that can be used as a cop?

[Michelle]

naas counterpush on michelle looks weak and fabricated
i still stand by the fact that hes likely some kind of 3p

My issue is that I've been town reading Michelle, it's just her stubborn push on me is really annoying, and my order of yeeting cop / investigative roles is Ruri - Michelle - Paopan - You... So I'm like, at a base I have a town read on Michelle. Michelle hasn't had any good reads this game and insists on this ridiculous push on me, and fails to really build much of a world view outside of that. I question Michelle's role in the context of the game.

So after all of that I go, I don't have enough of a scum read to thunder-dome Michelle, which is what she wants... But at the same time, I probably have to drop my town read.

Tell me how any of this is unreasonable, please.

Coloured text is a lie, you were the one talking about thunderdome.
I just want your flip, I consider you are mafia based on your support for/from Scotty and early day 1 interactions.
You want me dead since the previous DP, how come you TR me?
That's another lie.

@everyone this is a wolf

[alexa]

oh people have been posting
that was not loading for me cool let me catch up

[alexa]

BTW, do we know what time this EOD is @Gavial?

[Michelle]

Also, @Marmot I don't like TWTBW reads because for me, I don't actually believe that I've done anything even remotely wolfy... Yeah, crazy anti-town at times, but no one is more anti-town than the town. I think TWTBW reads occur when people have a warped sense of what is alignment indicative.

I think that's the point of TWTBW, the actions of someone look so anti-town, that they probably are just a town player shooting themselves in the foot, which like you kinda say, happens all the time.

Also

Paopan choosing to lie-detect you claiming vanilla (when Gavial claimed there are no vanilla roles) and lie-detecting a dead player (falcon) do not strike me as coming from a mafiachat.


I didn't call you TWTBW though, why are you talking about you here?

Why can't those claims come from the mafia chat?
Please expand on that

[alexa]

oh, day end is Friday 9 AM my time tomorrow, so we have time

[alexa]

Also, @Marmot I don't like TWTBW reads because for me, I don't actually believe that I've done anything even remotely wolfy... Yeah, crazy anti-town at times, but no one is more anti-town than the town. I think TWTBW reads occur when people have a warped sense of what is alignment indicative.

I think that's the point of TWTBW, the actions of someone look so anti-town, that they probably are just a town player shooting themselves in the foot, which like you kinda say, happens all the time.

Also

Paopan choosing to lie-detect you claiming vanilla (when Gavial claimed there are no vanilla roles) and lie-detecting a dead player (falcon) do not strike me as coming from a mafiachat.


I didn't call you TWTBW though, why are you talking about you here?

Why can't those claims come from the mafia chat?
Please expand on that

if it comes from mafia chat then it shows an utter lack of coordination

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, @Marmot I don't like TWTBW reads because for me, I don't actually believe that I've done anything even remotely wolfy... Yeah, crazy anti-town at times, but no one is more anti-town than the town. I think TWTBW reads occur when people have a warped sense of what is alignment indicative.

I think that's the point of TWTBW, the actions of someone look so anti-town, that they probably are just a town player shooting themselves in the foot, which like you kinda say, happens all the time.

Also

Paopan choosing to lie-detect you claiming vanilla (when Gavial claimed there are no vanilla roles) and lie-detecting a dead player (falcon) do not strike me as coming from a mafiachat.


I didn't call you TWTBW though, why are you talking about you here?

Is there ever a bad opportunity to talk about myself?

[NotAnAxehole]

naas counterpush on michelle looks weak and fabricated
i still stand by the fact that hes likely some kind of 3p

My issue is that I've been town reading Michelle, it's just her stubborn push on me is really annoying, and my order of yeeting cop / investigative roles is Ruri - Michelle - Paopan - You... So I'm like, at a base I have a town read on Michelle. Michelle hasn't had any good reads this game and insists on this ridiculous push on me, and fails to really build much of a world view outside of that. I question Michelle's role in the context of the game.

So after all of that I go, I don't have enough of a scum read to thunder-dome Michelle, which is what she wants... But at the same time, I probably have to drop my town read.

Tell me how any of this is unreasonable, please.

Coloured text is a lie, you were the one talking about thunderdome.
I just want your flip, I consider you are mafia based on your support for/from Scotty and early day 1 interactions.
You want me dead since the previous DP, how come you TR me?
That's another lie.

@everyone this is a wolf

You wanted me dead before Scotty checks, it's not something that came up after.