The Syndicate

Mana

trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 4:21 pm
what i mean by "factional kills are assigned" is that the wolves would have to select one person to perform the action. so if you watched the walrus, you should've seen who the wolves selected to kill him IF the factional kill is assigned.

akemi makes sense to carry the kill because 1) they're unlikely to be roleblocked by anything that isn't a jk, which is the exact thing that could be likely to block them, and 2) they wouldn't have any reason to think a jk would exist anyways. they would've had to think ahead if they were actually going to take a jk into account. a village roleblocker would never block akemi.

ah okay so you're saying that bc someone was killed then it means that Akemi is probably not a wolf? I think I understand now, ty for walking me through it

Mana

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 4:20 pm
Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 3:42 pm People most likely to be Mana teammates: the people who said they had a gut/tone/meta read on Mana being town D1 when they had a chance to safely defend that slot.
I think there's a significantly more obvious and relevant thing that happened on D2 that could imply partnership with Mana.

what's that?

Mana

trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 4:07 pm
Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 4:05 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 4:01 pm are factional kills usually assigned on the syndicate?
I have no idea.. I've played games before where people had like odd/even night kills I think? but i feel like that's probably not the case here. but in a game with roleblocking and other stuff I would assume someone individually has to do the killing right?
yeah with a tracker and a watcher claim factional kills being assigned seem like a safe bet

so if its a randomly assigned role then why would Akemi have to have the kill? or is that a separate thought, im still not completely sure what you meant by that post

Mana

trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 4:01 pm are factional kills usually assigned on the syndicate?

I have no idea.. I've played games before where people had like odd/even night kills I think? but i feel like that's probably not the case here. but in a game with roleblocking and other stuff I would assume someone individually has to do the killing right?

Mana

trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 3:56 pm is... is the read that akemi would carry the kill n1that bad of a read? they would have 0 reason to think julinook's role would exist unless akemi/julinook is the team, or they somehow role copped julinook n0. in certain team comps, akemi absolutely would've carried the kill.

what do you mean by carry the kill? like they have the role that has the kill ability or that they would be the ones to decide who to kill in the mafia chat?

Mana

trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 3:51 pm does anyone like. actually feel like there's been 3 wolves today? does it feel like a game state where 3 wolves are running around? i've seen times where jpic thought there could've been 3 wolves but in general the thread feels too villagery for us to be dealing with 3 wolves

I dont think there are 3 wolves left but maybe im just biased bc I rly dont want there to be 3 wolves left

Mana

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 3:49 pm dana if you're a villager please raise your hand, put a spoon on your head, and write towny posts

thx, love u

hello this is a towny post <3

Mana

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 3:42 pm Everyone and their mother has pushed Mana or been pushed by Mana. I am not clearing anyone just because at some point they have said Mana was an outed wolf. If Mana is a wolf it's not like their partner can just out and say yeah I think Mana is town guys let's vote out someone else.

People most likely to be Mana teammates: the people who said they had a gut/tone/meta read on Mana being town D1 when they had a chance to safely defend that slot.

People least likely to be Mana teammates: people who have interactions with Mana that are really hard to fake naturally. BT/Mana seems like an example of this.

I'm trying to remember who townread us early on, I think maybe tims?

Mana

who are the mafia in the world where we're town?

Mana

trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 3:36 pm you've been in the poe for almost the entire game; that's not to say that poe slots can't be village, but with the way people are approaching your slot today and how everyone is saying they're not w/w with you, that doesn't seem natural to me. it feels like one of the people i mentioned is your partner and is planning out their win condition. it would make perfect sense for your partner to take this path if you were a wolf.

and if you are village, like. why are so many people emphasizing that they aren't w/w with you? it's just strange to me why that that's occurring, other than the fact that you might be getting defenestrated today, and you might be a wolf. maybe i just feel slightly out of the loop given i don't really think my interactions with you overall are that clearing, and i know i'm a villager. maybe this is a bad read, but it almost feel like your partner is spewing you as a wolf.

honestly, going off of a gth solve, i feel like bottom text/tspic could be it, but i don't feel very confident in that. it doesn't feel like their reads on each other are being reciprocated because this is the path they have to take if they're wolves. it just doesn't feel unnatural to me. if you're a wolf, then i'd need to figure whatever is happening out, but gth it might just be you/julinook or you/tspic.

I mean I think it's an easy thing for the wolves to say they're not w/w with us because it's true, so they don't have to try so hard to make up reasons or fabricate examples or anything, they can just point the the facts and say "look we can't be partners with them so it's not us!", which when we're getting pretty broadly scumread is minorly clearing for them

Mana

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 12:22 pm
Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 12:20 pm we're spewed not wolves with all of TAT, Mana, TSPIC and BT and it's practically guaranteed there's multiple wolves in there lmao
Cool, you're voting for a villager right now tho.

what a coincidence, so are you!

Mana

trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 3:29 pm the quality of your reads don't matter to me. what matters more is the process behind them.

oh man im sorry they might be very disappointing in that regard too then, I dont really have a process yet im kinda just out here trying to figure things out as best I can

Mana

Julinook wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 12:20 pm BT wagon was AH, TR, mana, tat

So in a mana tat world

Did they all pile on to save tat?

If so id say probably TR over ah, I do think Alison preferring to carry kills is a thing, and I don't think she'd agree to pile on after the way Simpsons went (short version, tim and Alison led scum team piled on to a vote, it did not work out in the long run and they lost), plus commuter seems like the scummiest of the protection adjacent claims

Would also say decent chance of mana having a mafia on them (haven't looked at that wagon yet ill it in a bit), I think keeping tim/hk alive probably has more utility in a vacuum, especially if they were in fact self janitor (not putting much stock in guessing that tho)

if we were trying to save t&t and had mafia voting for us at the last minute switch, why wouldn't they just vote BT to break the tie?

Mana

maybe I will give up on catching up and just make some reads from the current vibes

Mana

trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 3:19 pm i guess i'm also going to continue waiting for dana to post reads. i'm not even that convinced mana is a wolf yet.

pls my read will not be good dont hype them up

Mana

trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 2:36 pm okay, so here's to expand on my previous point.

who is the one person that everyone this dayphase has been accentuating that they're not w/w with? that's right, it's mostly been mana. akemi, julinook, tspic, and bottom text i think have all been like "i'm not w/w with mana!"

one of these is a wolf. like, guaranteed. but why is everyone arguing that they're not w/w with mana? sure, mana is one of the primary defenestrates that could occur today, but there hasn't been nearly as much contention for why people aren't with w/w with anyone else. people aren't exactly arguing why they aren't w/w with bottom text, or tspic. it's all been circling around mana.

that's why i think mana might just be a wolf here. the wolf might just know mana is their partner, and is trying to set themselves up for the long haul.

why would the most likely scenario for us not being compatible wolves with anyone not just mean we aren't a wolf?

Mana

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 10:29 pm
Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 10:25 pm
Bottom Text wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 10:23 pm
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Bottom Text
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Voters: Akemi Hazelnut, Mana, trans rights, TwoAndThrough

Mana
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Voters: Julinook, TonyStarkPlaysItCool, Poop Explosions

TonyStarkPlaysItCool
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Voters: The Walrus

TwoAndThrough
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Voters: Timsup2gettinserious, Toopy and Binoo, Honey & Vinegar, Bottom Text

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Voters: FalconKnows

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Voters: Akemi Hazelnut, Mana, trans rights, TwoAndThrough

Mana
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Voters: Julinook, TonyStarkPlaysItCool, Poop Explosions

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Voters: The Walrus

TwoAndThrough
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Voters: Timsup2gettinserious, Toopy and Binoo, Honey & Vinegar, Bottom Text

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i haven't a clue on the two uncolored names, tbh. the darker ones are less confident, the colors here are a bit annoying to use consistently but poop>toopy>transrights to make it clearer

if esooa wasn't at calling mana a wolf i'd probably have moved them up tho, tbh. my gut was having second thoughts there, still might cause shes a coward and will listen to me if i say it loud enough, but it's an unsubstantiated gutread so thats not likely

tbh, it's probably one in nutellason/mana and one in julinook/jspic but im just a little joycat tbh

pretend this was written in cool fancy transparent text i couldnt think of a funny image to layer it over
wait...did TR not end the day on T&T???
Lol like you didn’t fuckin know.
I already stated the only players alive that voted there was me and BT.

-Toopy

A big part of my read was based in BT/TR not being able to be teammates because of how they voted and EOD, but i didn't confirm it in the vote record....Now i'm less sure how I feel about things

Mana

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 10:23 pm
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Bottom Text
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Voters: Akemi Hazelnut, Mana, trans rights, TwoAndThrough

Mana
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18%
Voters: Julinook, TonyStarkPlaysItCool, Poop Explosions

TonyStarkPlaysItCool
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Voters: The Walrus

TwoAndThrough
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Voters: Timsup2gettinserious, Toopy and Binoo, Honey & Vinegar, Bottom Text

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Bottom Text
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Voters: Akemi Hazelnut, Mana, trans rights, TwoAndThrough

Mana
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18%
Voters: Julinook, TonyStarkPlaysItCool, Poop Explosions

TonyStarkPlaysItCool
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Voters: The Walrus

TwoAndThrough
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Voters: Timsup2gettinserious, Toopy and Binoo, Honey & Vinegar, Bottom Text

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i haven't a clue on the two uncolored names, tbh. the darker ones are less confident, the colors here are a bit annoying to use consistently but poop>toopy>transrights to make it clearer

if esooa wasn't at calling mana a wolf i'd probably have moved them up tho, tbh. my gut was having second thoughts there, still might cause shes a coward and will listen to me if i say it loud enough, but it's an unsubstantiated gutread so thats not likely

tbh, it's probably one in nutellason/mana and one in julinook/jspic but im just a little joycat tbh

pretend this was written in cool fancy transparent text i couldnt think of a funny image to layer it over

wait...did TR not end the day on T&T???

Mana

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 9:39 pm
Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 9:37 pm
Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 9:35 pm Tell ya what, I'll just go for the common area between our two heads!

[VOTE: Mana] aubergine

Pretty sure this'll hit scum. And I'm like 90% sure that this isn't alpha strikable; if it is, we 100% deserve to lose lol.

- Binoo
what does alpha strikable mean?
If 3 wolves exist and you happen to be town, they could all jump on AIM (okay, not AIM anymore but it's been a long time since I've had to do this lol) and coordinate dropping all votes on someone to ML and end the game. Pretty sure that can't happen because I think there's at least one between you and TSPIC, if there are indeed 3 wolves left.

ah okay so basically just the hammer opportunity thing that y'all were talking about earlier. I really hope there aren't 3 wolves left still but I guess it is possible, but that would mean they win tonight after a nk right?

Mana

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 9:35 pm Tell ya what, I'll just go for the common area between our two heads!

[VOTE: Mana] aubergine

Pretty sure this'll hit scum. And I'm like 90% sure that this isn't alpha strikable; if it is, we 100% deserve to lose lol.

- Binoo

what does alpha strikable mean?

Mana

trans rights wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 9:26 pm didn't dana promise some "hekka towny posts" earlier? i'm still waiting for that.

yeah im working on a reads list but y'all talk so much im many pages behind

Mana

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 7:39 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 7:15 pm
TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 4:50 pm
Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 4:48 pm BT is obvious Town.
Also if T&T is Scum it spews BT as Town because BT said at EoD1 “I’m scum” as a joke and T&T responded with “me too!”

-Toopy
Good point

Voting mana
also this spew read is pretty ridiculous and the fact that tspic agreed with it in the first place is baffling to me

two and through responding to bottom text there is more indicative of two and through's alignment and not bottom text's alignment; that's not exactly how spew reads work. it usually depends on how wolves approach other slots, and not just some random agreement with another slot being a wolf. on top of that... hollow and tim can easily be cheeky enough to make that post if bottom text actually is their partner. in reality though, it means nothing and trying to act as though it means something is stretching.
FTR I agree

are you the other head from the one that agreed with toopy before?

Mana

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 7:26 pm made keeps saying hes gonna be ultra mega mc towny face and then not doing that

his ultra towny plan is sending me in with all my inexperience to ask dumb questions and make bad reads and prove that we're town

Mana

(and by sick reads I mean probably very wrong but at least it will be something)

Mana

dw though I am working on posts gonna have some sick reads real soon gonna make this thread all lively

Mana

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 7:04 pm So it's EOD. Probs should be more posts eh?

its not EOD and also you're back on the wrong account again

Mana

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 6:10 pm
Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 6:09 pm
Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 6:08 pm
Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 6:08 pm I thought Tims joked that they were the vig and gonna shoot walrus, not the other way around? unless im misremembering which is def possible
Did you get any feedback from your n1 target?
what do you mean? like in the thread?
host response

we got a deleted message and then we were told the action failed

Mana

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 6:08 pm
Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 6:08 pm I thought Tims joked that they were the vig and gonna shoot walrus, not the other way around? unless im misremembering which is def possible
Did you get any feedback from your n1 target?

what do you mean? like in the thread?

Mana

what's KP?

Mana

I thought Tims joked that they were the vig and gonna shoot walrus, not the other way around? unless im misremembering which is def possible

Mana

Julinook wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 6:04 pm
Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 6:03 pm
Julinook wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 6:01 pm
Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 5:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 5:56 pm
Julinook wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:48 pm Dana was super townie in aim yeah, and her seeming to disappear is kinda concerning

Not sure mafia watcher makes sense tho so
watcher isn't a fake claim mafia come up with often but if the other wolf is a fake roleblocker or jailkeeper well all bets are off innit
did we ever find out how we ended up blocked n1? did BT share their X target?
Sighs

I JKed AH

You targeted AH

You got no result because I JKed AH
would we not have seen that you visited AH then?
No? Why would you? I'm a JK

ok maybe I dont fully understand the role then... to the wiki I go

Mana

Julinook wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 6:03 pm Idk why mafia would bother blocking walrus tbh

so they dont die?

Mana

Julinook wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 6:01 pm
Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 5:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 5:56 pm
Julinook wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:48 pm Dana was super townie in aim yeah, and her seeming to disappear is kinda concerning

Not sure mafia watcher makes sense tho so
watcher isn't a fake claim mafia come up with often but if the other wolf is a fake roleblocker or jailkeeper well all bets are off innit
did we ever find out how we ended up blocked n1? did BT share their X target?
Sighs

I JKed AH

You targeted AH

You got no result because I JKed AH

would we not have seen that you visited AH then?

Mana

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 5:56 pm
Julinook wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:48 pm Dana was super townie in aim yeah, and her seeming to disappear is kinda concerning

Not sure mafia watcher makes sense tho so
watcher isn't a fake claim mafia come up with often but if the other wolf is a fake roleblocker or jailkeeper well all bets are off innit

did we ever find out how we ended up blocked n1? did BT share their X target?

Mana

also Mac rly just out here on his main account

Mana

im still not completely caught up and im trying to also keep up with new posts, but isn't it possible that the wolves were just.. not around during a hammer opportunity? idk if that's a 100% accurate way to clear people

Mana

Julinook wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 3:06 pm
Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 3:03 pm
Julinook wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 3:02 pm
Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 3:02 pm
Bottom Text wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:59 pm im not convinced that isnt the same head but i'll let them do their thing and summon my guard dog esooa to determine alignments
im a different head I swear
Thats exactly what the same head would say
I really dont think I could possibly fake made well enough to fool anybody
You have the joke backwards lol

ok fair I guess made could fake me, you do have a point there

Mana

Julinook wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 3:02 pm
Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 3:02 pm
Bottom Text wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:59 pm im not convinced that isnt the same head but i'll let them do their thing and summon my guard dog esooa to determine alignments
im a different head I swear
Thats exactly what the same head would say

I really dont think I could possibly fake made well enough to fool anybody

Mana

Julinook wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 3:01 pm
Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:54 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:52 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:46 pm is made in the thread or is dana? has dana posted at all today?
@Mana can you answer this please?
hi sorry, yes I am made. No dana today, I just texted her

Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:56 pm hello its me im dana, sorry I thought it was still night
What a sequence

why is this a sequence worth pointing out? I got a message from made to look at the game so then I come look at the game

Mana

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:59 pm im not convinced that isnt the same head but i'll let them do their thing and summon my guard dog esooa to determine alignments

im a different head I swear

Mana

Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:56 pm hello its me im dana, sorry I thought it was still night

in case this didn't make it explicit, we haven't really been talking about the game much so be prepared for that

Mana

I will start catching up now but lmk if y'all have any questions for my head specifically

Mana

hello its me im dana, sorry I thought it was still night

Mana

trans rights wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:52 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:46 pm is made in the thread or is dana? has dana posted at all today?
@Mana can you answer this please?

hi sorry, yes I am made. No dana today, I just texted her

Mana

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:47 pm Mana suspiciously impossible to yeet this game despite not being villagery for most of it

That's actually word for word town meta

Mana

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:43 pm
Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:42 pm BT is prob always a hit here tbh It's probably BT/TsPIc or BT/Poop
always a hit?

tell me more

most of my team solves involve you. beside maybe TR/TsPic or Poop/TR but both those crazy cuz they imply TR unnecessarily dunked on their last teammate.

My towncore right now is me AH JN TB.

Mana

BT is prob always a hit here tbh It's probably BT/TsPIc or BT/Poop

Mana

Weird kinda side read, but whoever kills lovers here is very materialistic ( in a chess sense), choosing to guarantee the knockout people out now rather than going for a potential long term strategic advantage

Mana

Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:36 pm
TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:34 pm
Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:33 pm
TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:28 pm Lol im back to thinking T&T might be town, and the wolves are exactly TR/mana/T&B
I'm not killing a retired player over AH, Poop, And Tspic here. And i'm not killing off FakeTim over AH, Poop, and TsPic here, cuz they were town shielding me and I would of deff tried to pocket that slot.
Retired player?

Also fake tim kill doesn’t matter, you got 2 kills for the price of one with loverized
but, if i save that kill one extra day, people forget today is techincally lylo and I win by killing FakeTim tonight

This is another reason why I think we are probably not on mylo. Could be a mafia misplay, but I doubt it considering they thought to kill 2 people. They obviously did some counting.

Mana

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:34 pm
Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:33 pm
TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:28 pm Lol im back to thinking T&T might be town, and the wolves are exactly TR/mana/T&B
I'm not killing a retired player over AH, Poop, And Tspic here. And i'm not killing off FakeTim over AH, Poop, and TsPic here, cuz they were town shielding me and I would of deff tried to pocket that slot.
Retired player?

Also fake tim kill doesn’t matter, you got 2 kills for the price of one with loverized

but, if i save that kill one extra day, people forget today is techincally lylo and I win by killing FakeTim tonight

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