Modern Family Hydra Mafia [GAME END]

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

someone needs to find a good way to TR me so we can stop dealing with this nonsense but I think I'm decent at reading JPIC after the last few games and read his day 1 iso it's very town

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I'm here. Time to read I guess

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

if nutella and mac are town then the wolves actuually can out to hammer me and gav will have had productive thought processes all along

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

oh there also have to be three wolves

[Toopy and Binoo]

What if TSPIC is the mafia roleblocker and blocked Walrus to stop the vig shot from going off

One-shot vigs should always fire N1. The only claims in the room that would stop a shot cold are nook and TSPIC.

Either Walrus holstered (which makes no sense), they shot me (which also makes no sense), or TSPIC blocked them and claimed holstered.

I said that before you did!

-Toopy

[Toopy and Binoo]

I get the credit not you!

-Toopy

[trans rights]

oh there also have to be three wolves

why is this the case?

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

that's an addendum on the previous post

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

tsp is bad at quoting the posts he's referring to

[Toopy and Binoo]

oh there also have to be three wolves

If that’s the case then Mana or Poop is 100% Scum unless Mafia decided to not take the easy win.

-Toopy

[Poop Explosions]

This is the one Mac vote I'm vetoing. [VOTE: ] aubergine

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

oh there also have to be three wolves

If that’s the case then Mana or Poop is 100% Scum unless Mafia decided to not take the easy win.

-Toopy

gav they basically lose almost guaranteed if they do that you know that right

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

i mean if nanook's a wolf ok maybe they get close

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

and has shots left

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

i also love that your conclusion was that there was a wolf between BT, Mac, and Mana and you said therefore it had to be between mac and mana because bt is lock town

[Toopy and Binoo]

i also love that your conclusion was that there was a wolf between BT, Mac, and Mana and you said therefore it had to be between mac and mana because bt is lock town

BT is.
Been lock towning them since like between MoD1/EoD1

-toopy

[Toopy and Binoo]

Okay, the team in my head right now is Mana/TSPIC/(?/T&T)

hmmm, mana not thinking we're a wolf when they could ride the wolf reads on us is a decent look?

@Mana - why don't you think we're wolves?

Keep this in mind; Mana responds to this with something to the effect of "you're still in PoE" for 3-man teams.

I think toopy & binoo are always a different alignment to T&T. I agree with my partners read in regards to the Tim impersonation, it seemed way too on point to have faked. Using a medium ability on Tim/HK is pretty villagery thing to do when they've just been janitored and trying to get some spew. I'm trying to think of a reason why mafia would ever use that ability on town/mafia that they've just janitored and I'm drawing a blank - unless they just wanted to get some cred, but the impersonation does work in their favour. It's possible it's W/W but I think you have to jump through a lot of hoops to get there, and I don't really see it tbh. In sort, I think T&B are a villager and T&T was a wolf.

In your mind, what make T&T & us being W/W unlikely? It's not really that farfetched; if it's just based on impersonation, that could've been easily coordinated in scumchat.

now that the game is over I think our slot is basically cleared as town just off jpic's meta. see the previous few games for comparison.

Self-meta is awful. All of their page 80 reads as panicked, imo. It's rapid multiposts with little actual substance.

i dont think the roleblocker and jailkeeper coexist as town

i think roleblocker is slightly more likely to be a wolf role but im not convinced either way

also fairly confident T&T was a wolf and as such we aren't in mylo, and i don't want to play it like we are

~mawile

+1; doesn't make sense from a balance standpoint for both Nook and TSPIC to be telling the truth, and I believe Nook a heck of a lot more.

I will say that meta wise mana doesn’t look great

Funny how mana was townreading us a second ago

Mana suspiciously impossible to yeet this game despite not being villagery for most of it

I think this is the point where TSPIC realized it's unlikely both they and Mana are making it out of this phase, so they're trying to distance. This seems inconsistent with their prior position toward Mana; the change of heart & vote read as distancing. I would've believed just a self-pres vote, but it looks like they're trying to disassociate themselves with the cat.

Also, unless I'm miscounting: if we're in a 3-man scenario, at least one of TSPIC/BT/Akemi is scum (TSPIC & BT for being the targets, Akemi for being one of the two votes to put someone at L-3 in both scenarios). They were both at L-3 for multiple hours, plenty of time for hydras to coordinate an alpha strike (since schedules line up better). I'm fine with killing either TSPIC or Mana tonight, but given the fact that there has to be one in TSPIC/BT/Akemi if we're in MyLo, I'd rather kill TSPIC. If we're not in MyLo and TSPIC flips town, we've eliminated another uncertainty and Nook looks much more sus from a balance standpoint. If TSPIC is scum, Nook's pretty clear imo and Mana looks worse from TSPIC's distancing attempt.

- Binoo

[Poop Explosions]

Finally found the words for my BT read.

It's like katze put all their points into solving and none into towniness for all of D2, on a day where they were clearly on the block and clearly would be for a while if nothing changed. I feel like if they really wanted to get out of PoE as scum, they'd LAMIST a bit, and if they didn't, they'd antispew. katze was just doing their thing.

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

Okay, the team in my head right now is Mana/TSPIC/(?/T&T)

hmmm, mana not thinking we're a wolf when they could ride the wolf reads on us is a decent look?

@Mana - why don't you think we're wolves?

Keep this in mind; Mana responds to this with something to the effect of "you're still in PoE" for 3-man teams.

I think toopy & binoo are always a different alignment to T&T. I agree with my partners read in regards to the Tim impersonation, it seemed way too on point to have faked. Using a medium ability on Tim/HK is pretty villagery thing to do when they've just been janitored and trying to get some spew. I'm trying to think of a reason why mafia would ever use that ability on town/mafia that they've just janitored and I'm drawing a blank - unless they just wanted to get some cred, but the impersonation does work in their favour. It's possible it's W/W but I think you have to jump through a lot of hoops to get there, and I don't really see it tbh. In sort, I think T&B are a villager and T&T was a wolf.

In your mind, what make T&T & us being W/W unlikely? It's not really that farfetched; if it's just based on impersonation, that could've been easily coordinated in scumchat.

now that the game is over I think our slot is basically cleared as town just off jpic's meta. see the previous few games for comparison.

Self-meta is awful. All of their page 80 reads as panicked, imo. It's rapid multiposts with little actual substance.

i dont think the roleblocker and jailkeeper coexist as town

i think roleblocker is slightly more likely to be a wolf role but im not convinced either way

also fairly confident T&T was a wolf and as such we aren't in mylo, and i don't want to play it like we are

~mawile

+1; doesn't make sense from a balance standpoint for both Nook and TSPIC to be telling the truth, and I believe Nook a heck of a lot more.

I will say that meta wise mana doesn’t look great

Funny how mana was townreading us a second ago

Mana suspiciously impossible to yeet this game despite not being villagery for most of it

I think this is the point where TSPIC realized it's unlikely both they and Mana are making it out of this phase, so they're trying to distance. This seems inconsistent with their prior position toward Mana; the change of heart & vote read as distancing. I would've believed just a self-pres vote, but it looks like they're trying to disassociate themselves with the cat.

Also, unless I'm miscounting: if we're in a 3-man scenario, at least one of TSPIC/BT/Akemi is scum (TSPIC & BT for being the targets, Akemi for being one of the two votes to put someone at L-3 in both scenarios). They were both at L-3 for multiple hours, plenty of time for hydras to coordinate an alpha strike (since schedules line up better). I'm fine with killing either TSPIC or Mana tonight, but given the fact that there has to be one in TSPIC/BT/Akemi if we're in MyLo, I'd rather kill TSPIC. If we're not in MyLo and TSPIC flips town, we've eliminated another uncertainty and Nook looks much more sus from a balance standpoint. If TSPIC is scum, Nook's pretty clear imo and Mana looks worse from TSPIC's distancing attempt.

- Binoo

it's not self meta jpic is a different person

[Toopy and Binoo]

Okay, the team in my head right now is Mana/TSPIC/(?/T&T)

hmmm, mana not thinking we're a wolf when they could ride the wolf reads on us is a decent look?

@Mana - why don't you think we're wolves?

Keep this in mind; Mana responds to this with something to the effect of "you're still in PoE" for 3-man teams.

I think toopy & binoo are always a different alignment to T&T. I agree with my partners read in regards to the Tim impersonation, it seemed way too on point to have faked. Using a medium ability on Tim/HK is pretty villagery thing to do when they've just been janitored and trying to get some spew. I'm trying to think of a reason why mafia would ever use that ability on town/mafia that they've just janitored and I'm drawing a blank - unless they just wanted to get some cred, but the impersonation does work in their favour. It's possible it's W/W but I think you have to jump through a lot of hoops to get there, and I don't really see it tbh. In sort, I think T&B are a villager and T&T was a wolf.

In your mind, what make T&T & us being W/W unlikely? It's not really that farfetched; if it's just based on impersonation, that could've been easily coordinated in scumchat.

now that the game is over I think our slot is basically cleared as town just off jpic's meta. see the previous few games for comparison.

Self-meta is awful. All of their page 80 reads as panicked, imo. It's rapid multiposts with little actual substance.

i dont think the roleblocker and jailkeeper coexist as town

i think roleblocker is slightly more likely to be a wolf role but im not convinced either way

also fairly confident T&T was a wolf and as such we aren't in mylo, and i don't want to play it like we are

~mawile

+1; doesn't make sense from a balance standpoint for both Nook and TSPIC to be telling the truth, and I believe Nook a heck of a lot more.

I will say that meta wise mana doesn’t look great

Funny how mana was townreading us a second ago

Mana suspiciously impossible to yeet this game despite not being villagery for most of it

I think this is the point where TSPIC realized it's unlikely both they and Mana are making it out of this phase, so they're trying to distance. This seems inconsistent with their prior position toward Mana; the change of heart & vote read as distancing. I would've believed just a self-pres vote, but it looks like they're trying to disassociate themselves with the cat.

Also, unless I'm miscounting: if we're in a 3-man scenario, at least one of TSPIC/BT/Akemi is scum (TSPIC & BT for being the targets, Akemi for being one of the two votes to put someone at L-3 in both scenarios). They were both at L-3 for multiple hours, plenty of time for hydras to coordinate an alpha strike (since schedules line up better). I'm fine with killing either TSPIC or Mana tonight, but given the fact that there has to be one in TSPIC/BT/Akemi if we're in MyLo, I'd rather kill TSPIC. If we're not in MyLo and TSPIC flips town, we've eliminated another uncertainty and Nook looks much more sus from a balance standpoint. If TSPIC is scum, Nook's pretty clear imo and Mana looks worse from TSPIC's distancing attempt.

- Binoo

it's not self meta jpic is a different person

Vouching for your own slot based on meta is still self-meta. The only thing that ever gives meta weight is if it's coming from a person (/group of people) that can't all have ulterior motives. Saying "Oh, Seth's always like this, look how townie Seth is" doesn't mean jack coming from a person guaranteed to be aligned with them.

- Binoo

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

i fundamentally disagree. do you have a reason for disliking any of the other page 80 reads, which you call 'panicked'?

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

also the other head's been pushing mana for days so it's definitely not inconsistent with his prior positions

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Mana's EoD1 is legit awful. Worst EoD out of everyone in the game by so much

[VOTE: mana] aubergine

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

Also, unless I'm miscounting: if we're in a 3-man scenario, at least one of TSPIC/BT/Akemi is scum (TSPIC & BT for being the targets, Akemi for being one of the two votes to put someone at L-3 in both scenarios). They were both at L-3 for multiple hours, plenty of time for hydras to coordinate an alpha strike (since schedules line up better). I'm fine with killing either TSPIC or Mana tonight, but given the fact that there has to be one in TSPIC/BT/Akemi if we're in MyLo, I'd rather kill TSPIC. If we're not in MyLo and TSPIC flips town, we've eliminated another uncertainty and Nook looks much more sus from a balance standpoint. If TSPIC is scum, Nook's pretty clear imo and Mana looks worse from TSPIC's distancing attempt.

and I shouldn't but you strike me as the more reasonable head so I ccan say that it was Mac who was on both votes and intead it would be at least (1) mac or (2) one of tsp/alison or (3) one of bt/mana if we're in mylo and wolves didn't want to out in role madness to potentially lose

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Mac I think it was had a towny post. TaT's EoD1 was weird but I'm not sure what to make of it. I liked TR 2-3 hours before EoD but the last hour of EoD they kinda did nothing and voting me over TaT too. Still generally think it's okay though? And they said they were going to be busy during the last hour so yeah.

TSPIC's wasn't good but he did vote Mana after they did that self pres thing, and if they've been pushing Mana a lot I'll need to look into it more

Julinook didn't do a ton, they pushed Mac a lot, who is probably town? But I think the way they went about it wasn't scummy. Want to know what Mac/c4 think of the way Julinook treated them day 1 though.

Like I thought it was kinda weird they pushed Mac so much and this is worse if TaT is wolf but idk, I didn't feel too bad about it

[Poop Explosions]

Julinook didn't do a ton, they pushed Mac a lot, who is probably town? But I think the way they went about it wasn't scummy. Want to know what Mac/c4 think of the way Julinook treated them day 1 though.

The vast majority of our posts were from me at the time, so knowing my record I just thought "someone who's had limited experience with me is misreading me wowee". Mostly ignored it because jules was super towny in her three or so posts. Is this Esooa?

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24%
Voters: Akemi Hazelnut, Mana, trans rights, TwoAndThrough

I forgot to talk about Akemi. Their EoD was uh, awful? Same with their vote. I think it's really, uh, *interesting* how everyone with bad EoD's voted us lmao. TSPIC could have kept a vote on us here to push us over rather than it being TaT so that's good I think. They were on Mana:

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Mana
3
18%
Voters: Julinook, TonyStarkPlaysItCool, Poop Explosions
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I feel like as Mac has pointed out that with TaT's wagon being so pure, then my wagon being SOO bad too looking at it, that TaT was probably a wolf

Not sure how much I want to solve around that though

It gives me less confidence in TSPIC being a wolf and more in Mana being a wolf, though.

I'm going to read more and see how I feel about Akemi/TR after that but I'm showering first

[trans rights]

that's an addendum on the previous post

the prior post doesn't really explain why there has to be 3 wolves alive whatsoever? i don't really see the point tsp is making.

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Julinook didn't do a ton, they pushed Mac a lot, who is probably town? But I think the way they went about it wasn't scummy. Want to know what Mac/c4 think of the way Julinook treated them day 1 though.

The vast majority of our posts were from me at the time, so knowing my record I just thought "someone who's had limited experience with me is misreading me wowee". Mostly ignored it because jules was super towny in her three or so posts. Is this Esooa?

yes

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Mac I think it was had a towny post. TaT's EoD1 was weird but I'm not sure what to make of it. I liked TR 2-3 hours before EoD but the last hour of EoD they kinda did nothing and voting me over TaT too. Still generally think it's okay though? And they said they were going to be busy during the last hour so yeah.

TSPIC's wasn't good but he did vote Mana after they did that self pres thing, and if they've been pushing Mana a lot I'll need to look into it more

Julinook didn't do a ton, they pushed Mac a lot, who is probably town? But I think the way they went about it wasn't scummy. Want to know what Mac/c4 think of the way Julinook treated them day 1 though.

Like I thought it was kinda weird they pushed Mac so much and this is worse if TaT is wolf but idk, I didn't feel too bad about it

I'm actually remembering now they pushed TaT a lot through the dayphase so them ending on me is really weird/concerning considering that

@trans rights did you really think we were more wolfy than TaT EoD1? Why? How?

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

in gav's world where wolves are going to hammer anything they see, there must be three wolves alive

[trans rights]

okay so that's not something you actually believe. sorry!

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

I find it very unlikely yes

[trans rights]

didn't dana promise some "hekka towny posts" earlier? i'm still waiting for that.

[Toopy and Binoo]

i fundamentally disagree. do you have a reason for disliking any of the other page 80 reads, which you call 'panicked'?

I dunno, pick one lol. I don't see why you think not claiming was a good idea (tbh I'm surprised you claimed RB, and even more surprised that you've been keeping a neutral stance on Nook after his claim), trying to defend the meta claim and treating it like scripture in what could by MyLo (again, meta's something you should never be able to use as a crutch if you're constantly developing), the post length & frequency implies extremely reactionary play rather than analytical. It doesn't feel like you're trying to solve the game, meta is never self-clear, and sending conflicting messages in-thread right after saying that conflict is townie in your opinion doesn't leave a good impression of what your slot actually thinks. Lastly, getting stuff wrong then instantly correcting yourself over multiple posts imply your posts are rushed and, as I said, "panicked". And that's just page 80 (where the brunt of it stuck out to me imo).

[Mana]

didn't dana promise some "hekka towny posts" earlier? i'm still waiting for that.

yeah im working on a reads list but y'all talk so much im many pages behind

[Toopy and Binoo]

Binoo I won’t blame you if we lose.
Just place your vote because I like wanna be voting someone!
(Probably vote Mana)

-Toopy

[Toopy and Binoo]

also the other head's been pushing mana for days so it's definitely not inconsistent with his prior positions

If that's the case, my apologies. I was just using the start of D3 for reference. I'll go back and look for any pushes on Mana that you've made prior days.

[Toopy and Binoo]

Like it’s kinda hard for me to see Poop as scum Tbh due to just how redikulus and how uncoordinated they are.

I feel like either Mana is scum or TR is scum that didn’t have their team ready to hammer in time before BT’s unvote.

-Toopy

[Toopy and Binoo]

also the other head's been pushing mana for days so it's definitely not inconsistent with his prior positions

If that's the case, my apologies. I was just using the start of D3 for reference. I'll go back and look for any pushes on Mana that you've made prior days.

BINOO!
Make sure to sign your posts after you make them!

-Toopy

[Toopy and Binoo]

also the other head's been pushing mana for days so it's definitely not inconsistent with his prior positions

If that's the case, my apologies. I was just using the start of D3 for reference. I'll go back and look for any pushes on Mana that you've made prior days.

BINOO!
Make sure to sign your posts after you make them!

-Toopy

Oh, my bad

- Binoo

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

Gav didn’t want to be confused for one apologizing

[Toopy and Binoo]

Tell ya what, I'll just go for the common area between our two heads!

[VOTE: Mana] aubergine

Pretty sure this'll hit scum. And I'm like 90% sure that this isn't alpha strikable; if it is, we 100% deserve to lose lol.

- Binoo

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tspic how soon did you know about julinook's claim and that it had potential conflict with your role

people having strong reads on nanook on day 3 is odd

because this is the first post i assume that hints towards your bad feelings on julinook, you noted a post where they talked about their claim, and it feels like you should've voiced concern about that sooner than you did

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

I think I said “noting this post for later” or something as soon as I saw mention of it

[Mana]

Tell ya what, I'll just go for the common area between our two heads!

[VOTE: Mana] aubergine

Pretty sure this'll hit scum. And I'm like 90% sure that this isn't alpha strikable; if it is, we 100% deserve to lose lol.

- Binoo

what does alpha strikable mean?

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

That is

Not an ideal n1

But a pretty impressive one nonetheless ngl

in a hypothetical world where you dont exist

alison tracks mana visiting themselves
mana watches themselves be visited by themselves, myself, and alison

smh

I cannot forgive myself for preventing this from happening


Assuming both claims are real but

Mana's probably is at least

noting the existence of this post

This is where I first saw it

[trans rights]

yeah that's the post i was referring to

i'm trying to conserve posts atm but that's still a large time gap between that post and the post i quoted

[Toopy and Binoo]

Tell ya what, I'll just go for the common area between our two heads!

[VOTE: Mana] aubergine

Pretty sure this'll hit scum. And I'm like 90% sure that this isn't alpha strikable; if it is, we 100% deserve to lose lol.

- Binoo

what does alpha strikable mean?

If 3 wolves exist and you happen to be town, they could all jump on AIM (okay, not AIM anymore but it's been a long time since I've had to do this lol) and coordinate dropping all votes on someone to ML and end the game. Pretty sure that can't happen because I think there's at least one between you and TSPIC, if there are indeed 3 wolves left.

[Toopy and Binoo]

- Binoo

(I wish I had a better short-term memory lol)