The Syndicate

Julinook wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:47 pm

Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:46 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:46 pm

Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:43 pm Okay, so It seems my slot is read scum right now entirely on tone regardless of mechs, reads by made, Dana meta, and everything else?

Is that correct?

if it is, Made is just gonna throw in the towel, cuz there's no winning this if that's the case. Like I don't think there's a way to change anyone opinions, and I'm cool not beating my head against a wall if everyone is sure

Sell me on TR

why tr?

If you're town and I'm tinfoiling

Tr is probably where im tinfoiling

Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:28 pm ok im (dana) still not completely caught up but I got things to do so im gonna post my half-finished reads list hopefully this is towny enough

Akemi - strong player, very town seeming, analytical. Made seems to distrust them a lil at some points and I kind of get that in the way that like.. they’re so trustworthy they could just be bad. But im gonna say probably town at least for now
Bottom Text - did I see correctly that they rescinded their original claim of being redirector? did they offer a new claim after that? Kinda very sus
Julinook - another "so good they’re potentially bad" suspect, but without the paranoid second guessing I would put them pretty firmly in town
Poop - made doesn’t seem to like them much but I think they have been alright for the most part. They are back and forth on us a lot which is a lil sus but I can let it pass for the time being
TSPIC - hard to follow sometimes and a little confusing which makes me want to think they are sus but that may just be due to having two very distinct heads so I can't fault them entirely for that since we are similar
Toopy & Binoo - I think I maybe just still haven’t gotten the hang of gav yet in general.. but Binoo seems pretty towny to me. But the whole slot in general I am still a lil wary of
trans rights - ????

If we end up yeeting another town today (including us) maybe try to shake things up and vote your top town read tomorrow

Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:22 pm [VOTE: Bottom Text] aubergine

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 2:28 pm Or is it your other personality speaking?

-toopy

trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 2:18 pm my gut is screaming at me that mana not seeming w/w with anyone means they're the most likely wolf

like the position their slot is in in the game state doesn't make it feel like that is natural occurrence

trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 1:28 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 1:25 pm If Mana is a wolf you should have us lock cleared as far as I am concerned.

you're misunderstanding. if mana is a wolf, i have potentially clearing interactions for everyone in the game, other than maybe toopy and binoo. but i think toopy and binoo is just a villager regardless. at that point, it's a matter of determining which of the interactions are the MOST plausibly w/w. do you really think your interactions with mana are the most clearing period? i read your argument for why you're clear if mana is a wolf and i'm underwhelmed with all due respect.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 12:58 pm Can I actually get a reason for why we're aligned with Mana? I feel like we're pretty much spewed not w/w from interactions and myself wanting to personally chop them from D1.

I feel like from interactions we're unlikely to be with BT, but I guess it isn't impossible from an outsiders perspective. If T&T was a wolf, what are the chances that BT was a wolf and we had w/w wagons. It's not impossible, but the chances of it are very unlikely. And I think from voting wagonomics that Mana is more likely to be aligned with T&T than BT was to T&T.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 1:06 pm

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 12:27 pm mmmm I'm a little discomforted by the way TSPIC constantly says we're shiningly town, we're out of our scum range and stuff, when he's just not

you disagreed at the beginning of the day. What prompted this shift

Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 10:32 pm

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 10:29 pm

Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 10:25 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 10:23 pm

Spoiler: show

Bottom Text
4
24%
Voters: Akemi Hazelnut, Mana, trans rights, TwoAndThrough

Mana
3
18%
Voters: Julinook, TonyStarkPlaysItCool, Poop Explosions

TonyStarkPlaysItCool
1
6%
Voters: The Walrus

TwoAndThrough
4
24%
Voters: Timsup2gettinserious, Toopy and Binoo, Honey & Vinegar, Bottom Text

unvote
1
6%
Voters: FalconKnows

sleep
0
No votes
Voters: None

if i add some ~personal flair~ onto this

Spoiler: show

Bottom Text
4
24%
Voters: Akemi Hazelnut, Mana, trans rights, TwoAndThrough

Mana
3
18%
Voters: Julinook, TonyStarkPlaysItCool, Poop Explosions

TonyStarkPlaysItCool
1
6%
Voters: The Walrus

TwoAndThrough
4
24%
Voters: Timsup2gettinserious, Toopy and Binoo, Honey & Vinegar, Bottom Text

unvote
1
6%
Voters: FalconKnows

sleep
0
No votes
Voters: None

i haven't a clue on the two uncolored names, tbh. the darker ones are less confident, the colors here are a bit annoying to use consistently but poop>toopy>transrights to make it clearer

if esooa wasn't at calling mana a wolf i'd probably have moved them up tho, tbh. my gut was having second thoughts there, still might cause shes a coward and will listen to me if i say it loud enough, but it's an unsubstantiated gutread so thats not likely

tbh, it's probably one in nutellason/mana and one in julinook/jspic but im just a little joycat tbh

pretend this was written in cool fancy transparent text i couldnt think of a funny image to layer it over

wait...did TR not end the day on T&T???

Lol like you didn’t fuckin know.
I already stated the only players alive that voted there was me and BT.

-Toopy

A big part of my read was based in BT/TR not being able to be teammates because of how they voted and EOD, but i didn't confirm it in the vote record....Now i'm less sure how I feel about things

trans rights wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 7:25 pm i just voted too late due habit, i don't really want to talk about it anymore. it's not really ai.

Julinook wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 6:05 pm

Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 6:04 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 6:03 pm Idk why mafia would bother blocking walrus tbh

so they dont die?

Given that tims is flipped town i cannot believe a mafia team paying enough attention to know walrus was a vig woild give a single shit about them shooting

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 6:03 pm

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 5:59 pm What if TSPIC is the mafia roleblocker and blocked Walrus to stop the vig shot from going off

One-shot vigs should always fire N1. The only claims in the room that would stop a shot cold are nook and TSPIC.

Either Walrus holstered (which makes no sense), they shot me (which also makes no sense), or TSPIC blocked them and claimed holstered.

No they really shouldn't. One shot vig is a shit role that should never shoot n1.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 3:15 pm The fact that nutella can’t lock me in as town from d1 is a concern

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:45 pm I urge you to read AIM. Dana was essentially an innocent child from posts alone

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:43 pm

Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:42 pm BT is prob always a hit here tbh It's probably BT/TsPIc or BT/Poop

always a hit?

tell me more

trans rights wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:20 pm okay this is the last post i'm going to make given setup gaming because i don't think this is a surefire route of solving the game

BUT

trans right - x1 commuter
tspic - x? roleblocker
julinook - x1 jk

almost a 0% chance all of these roles are villagers, so probably jot down that one of these is a wolf.

poop explosions - x2 bg
bottom text - x1 deflector

these are the remaining protectives/utility roles

akemi - x1 tracker
mana - x1 watcher

compared to how much supposed power village has wrt stopping killings in some fashion, i'm almost inclined to believe both of the investigatives are village. they're only x1 and only watcher is strong; tracker isn't nearly as powerful.

toopy & binoo - x1 medium

and this role is a bit of an outlier (utility), but they're almost never a wolf.

gth tspic/julinook/bottom text is 2/3 wolves. mana would be a wolf with that's only 1/3. i still don't think poop explosions is a wolf.

but enough of this, lemme try to think about the game more outside of mech for a moment

Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:23 pm

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:09 pm

Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:06 pm

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:04 pm

Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:01 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 1:54 pm

Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 1:51 pm Can we please stop vaguely pointing at Mana? The best person to chop today is Poop, period, I have laid out the arguments, and they're good. Either actually push me or fall in line nerds, i can't work with this wishy washy "we should probably end on mana, i think hmmmm...." bull

i mean

both heads of our hydra think you're a wolf! thats one of esooas only reads!

im unvoting because of maj reasons, in case im wrong

if you want to shade me then do it when it makes sense please :P

it just doesn't feel like there's anything coherent around me beside vague feelings relating back to d1. My reads are immaculate, the reads on me aren't being given in thread and it's frustrating. Both times Poop voted me were bs. First time was because his teammate T&T was about to get chopped, and the second was because they "Don't want to read lol". I'm just more town than poop in every way. Feel free to check the receipts there too!!

And when Dana show up to thread it's GG Mana's town anyways, so let's just skip to the part where i'm not on the chopping block.

I do not see myself voting poop over you

Consider a world where i'm town? In that world am I just really wrong here? if so where/how?

I mean Alison's and my solve if you are town is currently BT/Tspic

Imo tr is a more likely deepwolf than poop

But lolme

Ik you said end of day 1 was a shit show, but I think looking at where votes went at the end of shit show could be very telling, especially since the center of that shit show is BT, TR and Poop. We agree that T&T was probably scum, BT dropped a last minute vote on T&T that was then cemented by TR's buzzer beater on T&T. TsPIC also changed their vote to me last second after poop made the switch viable...

actually wait. the story for TsPIC is very similar to Poops story. TsPic was voting BT, then at the last second was like "Let's vote silly mana" which was important because before that BT was tied for the chop, and chops are decided by ties, so it makes sense to do this there if BT/Tspic are teammates.

Also BT and TR are almost never teammates if there's only 2 scum left because they both changed their votes last second to T&T, and there's no way you do that to your teammate on day 1