The Syndicate

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:37 pm Nope I find your vote completely fine on me, but why did you feel the need to explain it 2 pages later in such a awkward way. Especially on day 1?
it pinged me

This seems villagery

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59/p ... p-1791471/
Spamming for Vanilla 13er on 2p2 with a setup identical to this one (except seers get free n0 peek not randed villager) with days running from 9AM to 9PM EDT. It needs 5 more and I'm modding it.

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:25 am idk I think LB is being kinda weird, maybe it's just the new people, maybe it's the avatar.

What makes you think I'm weird though?
fwiw-- like 85% of my posts this game I've typed on a computer whereas on 2p2 it's been 99.9% phone posting-- so there are going to be some actual differences that could be perceived-- although still super subtle.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:00 am Did anything interesting happen?

we're waiting for your spicy reads still...

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:05 am not a question, confused why kami is saying you have no meta when all three of you were just in two games in a row together...

It still makes sense to me as coming from a v-Kami perspective. Like Kami on pog since 2015, then here comes esooa who I play two games with and I'm like "esooa great, I can read, Kami not so much". I can see how why that would be something that would ping Kami and there are other dynamics at play too like Kami/Esooa being real-life friends or Kami just being salty that I don't think I can read her (which I doubt that's the case too much but it can be something).

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:56 am
Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:40 pm Also like i said you have no CONTEXT, luckbox's post isn't ordinary what so ever because he has no actual meta on esooa, and had no reason to be confident in his ability to read her.
His post is bad and so is urs tbh
LB has meta on Esooa ?

weird question

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:12 am do we vote in the poll, is there an itt vote count?

There's no itt vote count aside from the poll but you have to vote in the thread too using the vote tags.

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:11 am LB how do you feel about Kami?

Her thread-time yesterday was pretty disappointing.
All of her early D1 stuff with me/Alison doesn't bother me too much but I do think she can easily be a wolf still.

I'm awake. Deli-- did you read everything?

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:16 pm Bus me daddy

Inappropriate!

Deli,
[Talking to you like you're a villager]
Hyena is super villagery and I'd probably but at the top of my list now.
Allison and Esooa I think are both also good. Pretty much everyone else has various degrees of slankiness associated with them.
EJJ can be a wolf though and they aren't slanking.

Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:14 pm LB, Creature, Nanook solid team

I'd probably be bussing Creature for sure. Not bad. But I actually think I'm pretty villagery here. It's impossible not be given how many new players there are.

Grrs that's twice I've done that now...still getting used to this software

Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:09 pm it's the self-awareness that's pinging me -.-

In fairness to him there-- at the point where he made the post you're referring to, I'm pretty sure I had already thrown shade on him for doing nothing but seer talk.

Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:09 pm it's the self-awareness that's pinging me -.-

In fairness to him there-- at the point where he made the post you're referring to, I'm pretty sure I had already thrown shade on him for doing nothing but seer talk.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:04 pm
Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:02 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:00 pm Aren't there people who can call Creature out if he's lying about his meta there
I've played with him a lot on multiple forums, I don't think he's that consistent. Half of the times I've played with him he was slanky with no reads as a w o l f
Is he capable of putting this much effort and investment into coordinating mech if he's wolf

There's no coordinating mechanics in a vanilla game though-- and even if there were it's the easiest thing for wolves to do.

Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:53 pm Are you going to openly seer-hunt itt this game?

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:29 pm Well Creature is already more villagery than the time I wolfed with him-- although the focus on mechanics and not reads doesn't have me fully convinced.
I was thinking the opposite

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:37 pm Syn doesn't seem to be trying to act villagery in any sort of way--- which I assume is villagery
I have not seen them wolf, but this is consistent with what I've seen of their villa play.

Probably not on the open seer stuff. That seems like a little much for new people.
RE Creature: He still hasn't given any reads but he has said if he were a wolf he would have-- which I do somehow sort of want to believe.
Syn has been in commentary mode all game.

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:43 pm it's D1, is there really anyone you think couldn't be a wolf? really?

Probably Hyena.

Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:36 pm "discord thing I'm in" aka nerd chat about fountain pens lmao

lol. amongst other topics but mostly pens

in interest of ful disclosure I just reminded Deli this game started as I saw they were active in a discord thing I'm in

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:24 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:23 pm I thought Nanook was mildly villagery yesterday but don't see at all why they couldn't be a wolf.
level 0 read on D1

What sort of read on Nanook should I have here?

I thought Nanook was mildly villagery yesterday but don't see at all why they couldn't be a wolf.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:06 pm

I'll answer this in a moment after Luck responds to me.
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I see there is some interaction between them but nothing I saw jumps out as w/w.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:31 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:26 pm
ejjinami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:09 am Shortly cuz I don’t really feel like quoting all posts

Hyena seems to be focused more on asking questions than getting conclusions. He’s doesn’t seem to care if the answer is sth that would normally be considered helpful or not (not focused on doing the “objectively townie” things)
Honestly, this is probably a very dumb meta read but I feel like this is just town

Esooa still doesn’t feel like scum either. They seem to be prodding people here and there, showing confidence in their votes yet changing them at a whim every once in a while (ignoring drama, not adding fuel to the fire, focusing on getting reads instead of lynching them). This doesn’t always have to be AI but at least at this very moment they are most likely not pushing a wolf agenda

I THINK luckbox should be town for the same reasons as well… (the reasoning is just stronger) They just don’t seem interested in easy drama?
They’re just doing their own things, getting reads separate from the game state
Hyena what are your thoughts on this EJJ post as it reads pretty wolfy to me.
That post doesn't read wolfy to me. Actually, it reads more towny to me based on my experience with her. I think the fact that she's using stuff that she considers 'bad reasons to townread someone' to townread someone in spite of thinking it's a bad reason is towny from her, if that makes any sense. What did you find wolfy about that post in particular?

The reasoning on you just doesn't make sense. And it's one of the those that I guess is a reads list but she's picking out 3 of the most villagery people to clear-- which shouldn't be seen as too groundbreaking-- but it just seems like something a wolf could write. I can't really explain why I find it wolfy-- but I also have no baseline for what village EJJ sounds like.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:24 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:20 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:17 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:13 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine
Nope, town.
[VOTE: ejjinami] aubergine
What do you think of an Ejji+Nanook pairing? Nanook posted that she liked her, but when I suggested trying to pocket her to him, Ejji seemed to post more anti-Nanook sort of stuff.

It's not anything I've considered but I don't see why not.

ejjinami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:09 am Shortly cuz I don’t really feel like quoting all posts

Hyena seems to be focused more on asking questions than getting conclusions. He’s doesn’t seem to care if the answer is sth that would normally be considered helpful or not (not focused on doing the “objectively townie” things)
Honestly, this is probably a very dumb meta read but I feel like this is just town

Esooa still doesn’t feel like scum either. They seem to be prodding people here and there, showing confidence in their votes yet changing them at a whim every once in a while (ignoring drama, not adding fuel to the fire, focusing on getting reads instead of lynching them). This doesn’t always have to be AI but at least at this very moment they are most likely not pushing a wolf agenda

I THINK luckbox should be town for the same reasons as well… (the reasoning is just stronger) They just don’t seem interested in easy drama?
They’re just doing their own things, getting reads separate from the game state

Hyena what are your thoughts on this EJJ post as it reads pretty wolfy to me.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:17 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:13 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine
Nope, town.

[VOTE: ejjinami] aubergine

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:58 pm Nothing I have seen is out of place for town Falcon.

Ok. Between the two of you, I trust this.
Can I get your take on EJJ? You have familiarity with her from other forums?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:49 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:47 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:43 pm
ejjinami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:29 pm and alison probably shouldn’t be the biggest wagon atm
it doesn’t necessarily look pure either

what do you think about son or falcon?
syn might be a wolf but that's all tbh
This is standard for Falcon?
Are you allowed to make reads by yourself, or do you need permission from Esooa?

Sorry I don't recall ever playing with you or having any clue about your meta. But don't worry I'll be getting Alison's input too.
When do you think you'll have reads of your own? Quite a bit of pot/kettle stuff here.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:43 pm
ejjinami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:29 pm and alison probably shouldn’t be the biggest wagon atm
it doesn’t necessarily look pure either

what do you think about son or falcon?
syn might be a wolf but that's all tbh

This is standard for Falcon?

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:12 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:10 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:06 pm So magenta is the null-tier? Am I your wolfread too?
Gray would actually be the null tier technically, which would be you. But I was sort of waiting for you to give any sort of actual thoughts about the game.
So are you nullreading or wolfreading EJJ?

I think she can be a wolf based on posting but I wouldn't be super comfortable voting to lunch them.

KZA is peeked

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:06 pm So magenta is the null-tier? Am I your wolfread too?

Gray would actually be the null tier technically, which would be you. But I was sort of waiting for you to give any sort of actual thoughts about the game.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:49 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:47 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:43 pm I'm colorblind. What each tier means?
Nothing really--just degrees of confidence in terms of village to wolf.
I suppose Syn and Falcon are your wolfreads?

EJJ is my wolfread. Syn and Falcon just haven't been villagery.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:43 pm I'm colorblind. What each tier means?

Nothing really--just degrees of confidence in terms of village to wolf.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:21 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:33 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:56 pm Pretty much where I sit ATM, and I've said why I think your list is junk. It's safe and vague and is the type of list scum post to look like "stuff I did cuz I'm town"
And if I told you that lists like that are super standard for me in any role? [Which I think I already said]
The fact that you've gone out of your way twice now to point that out is not a good luck IMO

lol. I would think you just ignoring it the first time I said it would be a worse look.

ejjinami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:09 am Shortly cuz I don’t really feel like quoting all posts

Hyena seems to be focused more on asking questions than getting conclusions. He’s doesn’t seem to care if the answer is sth that would normally be considered helpful or not (not focused on doing the “objectively townie” things)
Honestly, this is probably a very dumb meta read but I feel like this is just town

Esooa still doesn’t feel like scum either. They seem to be prodding people here and there, showing confidence in their votes yet changing them at a whim every once in a while (ignoring drama, not adding fuel to the fire, focusing on getting reads instead of lynching them). This doesn’t always have to be AI but at least at this very moment they are most likely not pushing a wolf agenda

I THINK luckbox should be town for the same reasons as well… (the reasoning is just stronger) They just don’t seem interested in easy drama?
They’re just doing their own things, getting reads separate from the game state

ISO'ing EJJ and a lot of her posts are questioning others for reads or making snarky comments a wolf a can make, but this was one of the posts that doesn't sit right on tone for me. And I can't really describe it and can be wrong.

I moved Syn down because after I iso'd him last night and didn't see anything that should make me think villager.

Teal colored villagers
Orangecrush *
Alison
Esooa

Blue
Hyena
Kami-- probably
Nanook I think

Gray
EJJ
Creature
Magenta
Syn
Falcon

Updated. But I'll definitely admit that Syn and Falcon seem like LHF in this spot. Objectively they're the least villagery for sure followed by Creature and I'm super skeptical in general of pushing people who haven't done anything-- and just moved EJJ into the gray category because really the tone doesn't sit right with me there.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:56 pm Pretty much where I sit ATM, and I've said why I think your list is junk. It's safe and vague and is the type of list scum post to look like "stuff I did cuz I'm town"

And if I told you that lists like that are super standard for me in any role? [Which I think I already said]

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:52 pm I have 12 posts for you to go thru to find your answers. 12.
Maybe 13.
Your answers are there, I guarantee.

So you're voting Alison because you're sheeping Hyena and have no real thoughts of your own other than me having a garbage list?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:41 pm Oh my God, my one and only weakness...magenta!
No, no, not magenta! Don't do it, you monster! I beg of you!

Can you give me your thoughts on Alison and why you're voting her?
It also seems weird that you'd call my list garbage, be voting Alison, and why I ask why it's garbage you make no mention of that fact that I had her at the top.

Orangecrush is my n0 fwiw and now that she's posted

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:04 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:58 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:53 am
ejjinami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:35 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:24 am I town lean deli cause I think they forgot and the game and wouldn't have if they were mafia
you could say that about literally everyone who hasn’t posted yet

and falcon’s reads are bad
That's funny, cuz I've only given a read on Hyena up til calling out Luckbox's garbage list this morning.
Nice I missed that post. What's the most garbagey aspect of my list imo? I do have some slight changes to it fwiw.
The lack of reasons for 1, the lack of scum, just varying degrees of town for another.

The funny thing is that I almost updated last night by adding a magenta category that only had you in it-- but color coded lists like that with no reasoning are pretty standard for me.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:53 am
ejjinami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:35 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:24 am I town lean deli cause I think they forgot and the game and wouldn't have if they were mafia
you could say that about literally everyone who hasn’t posted yet

and falcon’s reads are bad
That's funny, cuz I've only given a read on Hyena up til calling out Luckbox's garbage list this morning.

Nice I missed that post. What's the most garbagey aspect of my list imo? I do have some slight changes to it fwiw.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:45 am I think orange is town.

Ejj is kinda griefing but they are probably still town.

What does "griefing" mean? I might have a very slight EJJ tinfoil.

ejjinami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:09 am Shortly cuz I don’t really feel like quoting all posts

Hyena seems to be focused more on asking questions than getting conclusions. He’s doesn’t seem to care if the answer is sth that would normally be considered helpful or not (not focused on doing the “objectively townie” things)
Honestly, this is probably a very dumb meta read but I feel like this is just town

Normally asking questions and not caring about the answers would be seen as wolfy.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:55 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:54 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:39 am if deli remembered the game they would have been online by this point (most likely) and definitely would have posted
Which makes them not posting role neutral...
no because if they had a discord reminder of the game (scum chat) they would be less likely to forget it

It still seems role neutral-- they could have never even opened role. But do we need to get them a reminder sent? I'm not sure on what the etiquette is supposed to be in these situations.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:39 am if deli remembered the game they would have been online by this point (most likely) and definitely would have posted

Which makes them not posting role neutral...

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