The Syndicate

Consider:
If I'm wolf I can easily push for the vote on Alison without backlash yesterday because I have meta on LC that everyone knows about and I could fudge some of that eeeeeeeasily.

I also would prefer LC being alive over Alison if both were town because Alison reconsiders her read on me much more than LC does. Also if I'm wolf and know they're t/t then I know Alison will always be fighting against people who turn on her for being wrong on LC.

Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:27 am @Gavial
im probably voting Ender at the end of the day
Nothing sufficiently makes either of them town
and I just don't believe the 4d chess play from wolf!Tess
When in doubt, vote what is most logical, and in an open setup, you vote the ccer

Consider:
What is my team if I'm wolf?

tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:40 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:38 am
tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:36 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:36 am
Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:33 am @EnderWiggin
page 2, you pushed on me because you believed I was shutting down town reads
do you think dismissing reads makes someone a wolf without context
Either way my abrasive nature probably scuffed my responses, since my attention was never to shut down reads, its only to express that I don't agree with them
and I didn't, I still think that Nanook as a wolf, would play the way he did
A wolf's goal is to keep the POE wide.

I've run into several wolves whose early play was to try and be reasonable townies who spent most of their time causing doubt in other people's reads rather than making their own. This is to keep the POE wide and undermine town solving. It can be quite an effective subversive tactic if not addressed early.

I thought that's what you were doing.
do I do that?
Not really? if you're gonna play the solvy card you create your own POEs and just try and push town in a direction.

I don't think I've seen you play solve-wrecking in the way I thought Wisp was doing.
Maybe I should try that

I reckon you'd do it well once you got your head around it.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:43 am
tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:36 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:36 am
Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:33 am @EnderWiggin
page 2, you pushed on me because you believed I was shutting down town reads
do you think dismissing reads makes someone a wolf without context
Either way my abrasive nature probably scuffed my responses, since my attention was never to shut down reads, its only to express that I don't agree with them
and I didn't, I still think that Nanook as a wolf, would play the way he did
A wolf's goal is to keep the POE wide.

I've run into several wolves whose early play was to try and be reasonable townies who spent most of their time causing doubt in other people's reads rather than making their own. This is to keep the POE wide and undermine town solving. It can be quite an effective subversive tactic if not addressed early.

I thought that's what you were doing.
do I do that?
Tess still looking for the meta tell ender claimed to have on her in tetris

Lmao.

I keep making her mad by denying letting her know.

But trust me, no one is more disappointed than myself for losing my faith in my LC read.

Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:45 am @EnderWiggin
not to bring up dead horses, but man, I am interested in how you completely wiffed this read on LC

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:49 pm
Probably the major thing pinging me this game is he kinda pushes Gav on D1 then drops it almost immediately without ever voting him.

Which is just... weird interaction.

I completely missed the fact that he actually voted Gav.

Easy.

If you actually check progression he points out that he did vote it and I'm like "Wait really?" and then re-eval onto town LC hard and then don't stop until Tess and Alison gang up to give me doubts.

tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:36 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:36 am
Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:33 am @EnderWiggin
page 2, you pushed on me because you believed I was shutting down town reads
do you think dismissing reads makes someone a wolf without context
Either way my abrasive nature probably scuffed my responses, since my attention was never to shut down reads, its only to express that I don't agree with them
and I didn't, I still think that Nanook as a wolf, would play the way he did
A wolf's goal is to keep the POE wide.

I've run into several wolves whose early play was to try and be reasonable townies who spent most of their time causing doubt in other people's reads rather than making their own. This is to keep the POE wide and undermine town solving. It can be quite an effective subversive tactic if not addressed early.

I thought that's what you were doing.
do I do that?

Not really? if you're gonna play the solvy card you create your own POEs and just try and push town in a direction.

I don't think I've seen you play solve-wrecking in the way I thought Wisp was doing.

Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:33 am @EnderWiggin
page 2, you pushed on me because you believed I was shutting down town reads
do you think dismissing reads makes someone a wolf without context
Either way my abrasive nature probably scuffed my responses, since my attention was never to shut down reads, its only to express that I don't agree with them
and I didn't, I still think that Nanook as a wolf, would play the way he did

A wolf's goal is to keep the POE wide.

I've run into several wolves whose early play was to try and be reasonable townies who spent most of their time causing doubt in other people's reads rather than making their own. This is to keep the POE wide and undermine town solving. It can be quite an effective subversive tactic if not addressed early.

I thought that's what you were doing.

Probably too much tbh.

How much work would it be to do a spoilered translation of poems in another game.

But my poems are the best part.

tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:25 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:25 am Just going to put it out there:
Anyone who spends time going "No way I'd be paired with x" isn't going to get anywhere with me just because self-meta is a slippery slope.

Prove your innocence with your solving of the gamestate and alignments.
I'm not with Ender (sorry for self meta)

I'm not with Tess. (Also sorry for self meta.)

Just going to put it out there:
Anyone who spends time going "No way I'd be paired with x" isn't going to get anywhere with me just because self-meta is a slippery slope.

Prove your innocence with your solving of the gamestate and alignments.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:21 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:20 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:15 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:11 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:08 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:07 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:04 am fun fact btw: i am spewed not w/w with anyone but wilgy, falcon and tess. Wilgy is tracker, does anyone think it's me/tess/falcon?
Self-spew analysing yourself tho.

Lmao.
Can you refute it though?
First you'd have to provide evidence for me to refute.

But yes, given I have you maybe paired with other people not Wilgy or Falc.
Who do you have me paired with?
Tess.

1 of Wisp/Gira.

Maaaaaaaaaybe Miz.
Wisp and Gira are both hard spewed not partnered with me from D1. Miz has been consistently siding against me.

Lmao.

You mean from the pushes on Wisp or Gira?

Remind me how you pushed me on JOATED d1 and how that's any different.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:21 am
Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:18 am town cred won't do her any good against Arrow that's for sure
What is Arrow

Arrow = Gav.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:15 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:11 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:08 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:07 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:04 am fun fact btw: i am spewed not w/w with anyone but wilgy, falcon and tess. Wilgy is tracker, does anyone think it's me/tess/falcon?
Self-spew analysing yourself tho.

Lmao.
Can you refute it though?
First you'd have to provide evidence for me to refute.

But yes, given I have you maybe paired with other people not Wilgy or Falc.
Who do you have me paired with?

Tess.

1 of Wisp/Gira.

Maaaaaaaaaybe Miz.

tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:12 am the most important poet to be or not to be with

Haha. Clever.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:08 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:07 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:04 am fun fact btw: i am spewed not w/w with anyone but wilgy, falcon and tess. Wilgy is tracker, does anyone think it's me/tess/falcon?
Self-spew analysing yourself tho.

Lmao.
Can you refute it though?

First you'd have to provide evidence for me to refute.

But yes, given I have you maybe paired with other people not Wilgy or Falc.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:04 am fun fact btw: i am spewed not w/w with anyone but wilgy, falcon and tess. Wilgy is tracker, does anyone think it's me/tess/falcon?

Self-spew analysing yourself tho.

Lmao.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:00 am I guess if I have to be an ender antagonist peter is the best option

Like I dont want to be bonzo or bernard

Or that ship's captain.

Quincy or w/e it was.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:00 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:58 pm Gav can be Valentine for this game because she was always the endless supporter for Ender after Battle/Command School.
Why not Alai

Because Valentine's support was much longer standing and actually mindful of Ender than Alai's.

Not to say Alai wasn't a good member of the Jeesh. But Valentine supported Ender post-school massively.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:58 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:57 pm Well idk about either of those choices.

Tess can be Bonzo and Alison can be Peter, because both of those were early antagonists.
I am clearly not peter, wtf?

I'm making a joke about you two being the antagonists for Ender.

Not an actual comparison.

Gav can be Valentine for this game because she was always the endless supporter for Ender after Battle/Command School.

Well idk about either of those choices.

Tess can be Bonzo and Alison can be Peter, because both of those were early antagonists.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:38 pm Anyway [VOTE: EnderWigging] aubergine

Am I

Wigging

You out?

=P

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:38 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:32 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:28 pm
tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:25 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:24 pm
tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:23 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:21 pm For people on this site who have tones of experience with Alison. I know she is aggressive player, but how common is it to just tunnel indefinitely based on what she perceives to be wolfy, while ignoring anything that might make them townie?
I don't recall her having done that as a wolf, and it's not particularly common for her as town but does happen. She's told me before she used to do it more often because of things like, she thinks if she backs out of the dome it'll look wolfy, she doesn't want to admit she was wrong after doming someone, etc, which I can especially see why she would get conf biased against BK considering well, he pretty much was doing nothing but AtEing and calling her a wolf
It was definitely correct to kill LC there, I saw him flip town and still had no regrets. When I tdome a town I usually regret it (Overtime, Mountaintop) but here I don't at all.
why not?
Because he was trolling the thread like crazy? Every page was just him AtEing and yelling, he hard griefed EOD1 as a townie, etc. He also said stuff that implied scum TMI twice for no reason.

He contributed nothing to the town and was an actively hostile and malignant force towards us. After the way D1 went I knew he had to go and D2 sealed the deal.
It's on town to find other town, even town that don't act like town.

Unless someone is actively trying to be flipped (which LC wasn't) then for them to be flipped town players have to make a mistake.

I will always believe it's the duty of the people on town side to get it right.
A lot of people think like that.

As for me, I see my job as being to kill all the scum, even if I have to wade through a mountain of townie corpses. I don't get points for sweeping the game vs winning at f3, so I'll never hesitate to kill someone if it brings me closer to my goal no matter their alignment.

Sure, winning is the baseline.

But every time I vote out a towny there's something I could improve on. I'm not good enough to stop improving until I never vote out a town as town.

Mizery wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:37 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:36 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:34 pm i simply dont believe that W!Tess hit the cop in her fakeclaim that /conviniently/ checked the same person against her that she claims she checked against him

like

lmfao
Vote me then.

Then when you've killed me, get Tess and Alison for me.
voting u is lame tho

Then vote Tess. Be cool and hip and vote a wolf.

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:36 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:32 pm It's on town to find other town, even town that don't act like town.

Unless someone is actively trying to be flipped (which LC wasn't) then for them to be flipped town players have to make a mistake.

I will always believe it's the duty of the people on town side to get it right.
what about if I say part of my vote on him was annoyance all he was doing was AtE'ing a lot

You're a wolf.

You're allowed to vote badly. =P

Mizery wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:34 pm i simply dont believe that W!Tess hit the cop in her fakeclaim that /conviniently/ checked the same person against her that she claims she checked against him

like

lmfao

Vote me then.

Then when you've killed me, get Tess and Alison for me.

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:32 pm
tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:27 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:25 pm @tessepia
would you consider yourself a good PR hunter?
I'd say I'm decent. Not amazing but I think I hit PR's more often than not as a wolf. That being said I think going for kills like Nanook are really bad who is ONLY a good kill if a PR, and bad otherwise, especially night 1.
man that whole coincidence thing has me thinking
but man you creating a thunderdome as a wolf, and outting both our PRs
logically speaking most town always votes the CCer

it seems completely redundant, because if you already big brained the PRs, you just kill one and roleblock the other
not to mention your wolf game consists of you actually pushing narratives, here, I can see semblances of it, trying to kill Dizzy
off weak reasoning, but wolf you probably doesn't need to do a lot if town is already gutting themselves, but ya there isn't much of you trying to control the game
and you playing this way would put you in the limelight, when you don't really need to be?

I've literally already spelt it out for you:
Something something Alison something something heat.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:28 pm
tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:25 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:24 pm
tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:23 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:21 pm For people on this site who have tones of experience with Alison. I know she is aggressive player, but how common is it to just tunnel indefinitely based on what she perceives to be wolfy, while ignoring anything that might make them townie?
I don't recall her having done that as a wolf, and it's not particularly common for her as town but does happen. She's told me before she used to do it more often because of things like, she thinks if she backs out of the dome it'll look wolfy, she doesn't want to admit she was wrong after doming someone, etc, which I can especially see why she would get conf biased against BK considering well, he pretty much was doing nothing but AtEing and calling her a wolf
It was definitely correct to kill LC there, I saw him flip town and still had no regrets. When I tdome a town I usually regret it (Overtime, Mountaintop) but here I don't at all.
why not?
Because he was trolling the thread like crazy? Every page was just him AtEing and yelling, he hard griefed EOD1 as a townie, etc. He also said stuff that implied scum TMI twice for no reason.

He contributed nothing to the town and was an actively hostile and malignant force towards us. After the way D1 went I knew he had to go and D2 sealed the deal.

It's on town to find other town, even town that don't act like town.

Unless someone is actively trying to be flipped (which LC wasn't) then for them to be flipped town players have to make a mistake.

I will always believe it's the duty of the people on town side to get it right.

I want this on record:
No matter who gets flipped today

Once you've finally got around to flipping Tess.

Flip Alison next.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:25 pm Mechanically speaking if a cop claims a guilty on someone and that person CCs cop then the CCer is most likely mafia.

I am leaning towards voting Ender here.

I'm shocked.

Shocked I say.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:19 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:54 pm Btw I'm gonna focus on trying to sort the rest of the game when I get home. I'm not going to bother trying to defend myself/bury Tess because if you guys think coffee-less scum!Ender actually didn't just snap-cc Wilgy who he reckons he can beat in a cc battle and instead picks hard mode vs Tess then idk what to tell you.
Bit of a coincidence that scum Tess outing to bury a town for no reason happened to hit the two exact PRs, isn't it?

Especially when that world, from her pov, most likely leads to Wilgy being buried and her trading 1 for 1 for him?

I mean that's a coincidence no matter which way.

Either town Tess found PR + Scum or Scum Tess hit both PR.

Honestly pretty unique situation that, and hilarious.

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:13 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:04 pm Side note:
Tess' poe being very similar to mine is interesting and I can't decide if it's WIFOM or if it's actually that I'm missing someone.
maybe we're both just town?

jkjk

.... unless

Side note:
Tess' poe being very similar to mine is interesting and I can't decide if it's WIFOM or if it's actually that I'm missing someone.

Ftr I will 100% engage each person in my POE as if they were town and discuss their worldview. That include Alison who I will struggle to not have as lock wolf this game.

Because I want to create the holistic worldview that gets this game home.

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:57 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:52 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:49 pm @tessepia
a specific reason? because when I thought about the idea of Gira being a wolf, your name was the first one that popped up as a possible partner
other than that, it was as I said, mostly not wanting to kill in Alison or Long
and you were a train still, wigly and misery were not
Out of curiosity:
Why do you think they're partnered?

I had unpaired thoughts earlier.
well ur gun to the head read has me as a wolf with Alison
so forgive my bad reads
I tend to get partnery vibes from certain callouts, and Tess calling out Gira felt like such

Hey, don't call your reads bad. I had a different read and I wanted your opinion because I'm not set on my reads being perfect.

I want to know your opinion because if you're town then I need to find you town so I get my reads right.

I literally get one shot at this today. Because either I get flipped or you guys flip Tess and I die tonight.

The question wasn't a "I disagree you are wrong"

It was a "I got a different read. Take me through your read and let me see what you're seeing."

So, ignore my thought on it for now, I'll come back to that later and review.

What post was it that made you think that? Take me through your reads for a moment.

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:53 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:51 pm
tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:48 pm btw I remembered I wanted to point out

"tess would die early or live late" as one of enders reasons to check me is so awful
I mean.

That was exactly my thought process so.
x doubt

Oh no.

The wolf doubts me.

Whatever will I do.

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:49 pm @tessepia
a specific reason? because when I thought about the idea of Gira being a wolf, your name was the first one that popped up as a possible partner
other than that, it was as I said, mostly not wanting to kill in Alison or Long
and you were a train still, wigly and misery were not

Out of curiosity:
Why do you think they're partnered?

I had unpaired thoughts earlier.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:50 pm
tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:47 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:45 pm Tess, where's the Wiggin vote?
why are people asking me this
Because I'd like to know where the Wiggin vote is.

Nothing up my sleeve.

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:48 pm btw I remembered I wanted to point out

"tess would die early or live late" as one of enders reasons to check me is so awful

I mean.

That was exactly my thought process so.

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:47 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:46 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:26 pm @tessepia
that game u linked before, was it a wolf or a town game?
i haven't had a chance to check it yet
Tess has a wide range, careful of using specific games.
I mean yeah but that games also literally my best wolf game

I don't even remember which one you linked.

I just wanted to warn people since I've seen you do everything from super solver to slankin'

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:28 pm
tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:24 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:22 pm Tess in wolf worlds is never the roleblocker here, yes
but u certainly can be, if you are a wolf

If Gira is a wolf, someone deep made that night kill night 1
did u know as a tracker in this setup, you have 8.3% chance to hit a wolf, 25% chance of hitting anyone making an action, and a 66% chance to hit any of the Vanilla townies
and again, if Gira is a wolf, he made the worst possible track
yes I am
oh I just remembered something from this post

randomly changing emotions in games is a decent town tell for me, rn I'm giddy idk why but I just barely was pretty annoyed too

I randomly change emotions a lot irl and when I'm town that reflected in my posts but when I'm a wolf my emotions are put on to accomplish something

the rest of you don't need to care about this but there's another tell for you @EnderWiggin

I like how you phrased this as if it was the town version of that tell.

But still:

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:26 pm @tessepia
that game u linked before, was it a wolf or a town game?
i haven't had a chance to check it yet

Tess has a wide range, careful of using specific games.

Oh, wait, maybe he was blocked lmao.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:17 pm Didn’t he say he tracked Luck but it didn’t go through N2?

That's cause Luck died and therefore didn't go anywhere.

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:13 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:02 pm man why couldnt Tess and Ender have had this energy literally any time before this...
bruh there was a reason I didn't! lmao

also that's why I was saying the "you're lacking towny energy" reads were dumb

I always agree with "Lacking towny energy" reads being dumb.

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:13 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:09 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:09 pm
tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:24 pm mizery if you don't say who you think is a wolf I'm just going to assume you're one
I think I’m just gonna lock Mizery town if Tess flips Wolf.
You're forgetting that Tess is literally always in anti-spew here.
no u

No u

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:12 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:34 pm
tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:32 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:27 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:26 pm
tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:24 pm mizery if you don't say who you think is a wolf I'm just going to assume you're one
I think I'm a wolf
I don't.
then who do you think is a wolf
You. :^)

And 2 of Gira/Wisp/Alison.

The rest I have reasons to townread.

But I still need to actually ISO for links. That happens after work tho, so not now.
I agree with this PoE for tomorrow.
@DrWilgy
Just to make sure maybe Track Falcon or Mizery just in case something is off here.

Tess is never roleblocker.

Roleblocker makes Wilgy impotent.

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