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Let me catch up a little
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Always find the wolfLumi wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:10 pmIf the game is 5v3 do you think town should sleep or should they try to find the wolf?Hally wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:09 pm if you go for schia today and they end up flipping NPC, we lose an active villager in the night and have one less villager actively solving in the thread when we have to find the wolves who are posting, and we desperately need as many active villagers itt as we can possibly get
and if you go schia and they’re a wolf, it gives no info and just kills a wolf who would be outed tomorrow anyway
zero upside
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
thanks
also any other thoughts you have would be super helpful when you’re available
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
If we find by town teamwork a wolf we will have a better chance to win. Turbo-ing Schia and waiting for their flip is suboptimalInawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:11 pmWe’re going to lose an active villager in the night no matter who gets chopped, I know it’s probably not your intention but the way that’s worded it sounds like you want to chop someone who could end up also being an active villager and have two die just so that it’s someone other than SchiaHally wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:09 pm if you go for schia today and they end up flipping NPC, we lose an active villager in the night and have one less villager actively solving in the thread when we have to find the wolves who are posting, and we desperately need as many active villagers itt as we can possibly get
and if you go schia and they’re a wolf, it gives no info and just kills a wolf who would be outed tomorrow anyway
zero upside
Schia’s death doesn’t change who the mafia decide to NK, unless we chop that player ourselves in our terribadness
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Mafia is not a game of probabilities and we don't have to consider only what wolves are doing 'in general'Lumi wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 11:31 pm I was writing a mathematical proof to show that the only time you should not chop Schia today is if at least one of the following two are true:
1) Schia is town and will somehow townclear themselves and never be ML'd
2) If the slot town chops today is a player, then [the probability of that player being a wolf] is greater than [the probability of hitting a wolf post-NPC purge]
And since they are both obviously not true - anyone advocating to not chop Schia today is actually just wolfsiding on average.
But then I realized I'm an NPC and shouldn't be wasting any more of my time on this lmao
If you want to play suboptimally, be my guest ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Can we let game theory for endgame?
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Go to page one, post 1, turn the phone on landscape and press the number of posts of the player in topic who appears under the players' name and avatar. That's the way to Iso on phone a player with just a few posts.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:21 am I intended to for realzies CC Illario but I was on mobile at the time and mobile search is busted if you have too many players in the game. Can't scroll to Mac's so I couldn't figure out who got got on N1 so I was like "eh fuck it. Nevermind."
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Jack if you are a kind town-in-heart NPC your thoughts are appreciated
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Everyone should post their list of players from towniest to scummiest regardless NPC/PC state.
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You've been wrong for 4 days so
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I think if you are town you are gonna get misslynched eventually, might aswell get it over with it quicker. If you are scum its a W, i also dont remember anything pro-town or townie u've done this game so not like i seem much reason for u to *not* be scum
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Hmmm 1 in Lumi Hally Jack Porscha I'd say yes.pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:35 pm pyxxy's D7 V1 color vote count post
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@Porscha
@Schiavetto
@Michelle
@DeeZees
@Hally
@Neon
@ilario
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This is the raw list above. And below my first GTH attempt to sort. I am going to read Vivax' Iso and share thoughts and I need everyone in the village or NPC villa hearted to help town toDay.
Pinged myself to find the post in alerts and I am aware I pinged the wolves as well, but if anyone has a chance to clear themselves, toDay is the momenr to do so. Please ping me with your solve
Mich
Wilgy
Hally
Illario
Jack
DZ
Lumi
Pyxxy
Iawy
Nook
Porscha
Neon
Ricochet
Schia
@Schiavetto
@Michelle
@DeeZees
@Hally
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Pinged myself to find the post in alerts and I am aware I pinged the wolves as well, but if anyone has a chance to clear themselves, toDay is the momenr to do so. Please ping me with your solve
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Night 5 Ends 10am Dec 18 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
I mean I'm the easiest misexe in the game I'd want to make me look worse if I was a wolf against myself topyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:55 pmD1 conclusions:pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:35 pm pyxxy's D7 V1 color vote count post
maybe I'll finally have no mistakes in a V1 but we'll see
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- for each player in (ilario/Neon), there is a player in (DeeZees/DrWigly)
my guess is that all 4 people are players
D2 conclusions:
- if Neon is a player, then there is at least 1 player in (Jack/DrWigly)
- ^this is also confirmed if DeeZees is a town player as they claim
I think Jack is an NPC, troll-siding
D3 conclusions:
- if DeeZees is a player as claimed, then there is at least 1 player in (Jack/ilario) and also Porscha and Neon are both players
- there's "if DeeZees is an NPC" math too but it's annoying
tie actually incredibly helpful, bless
D4 conclusions:
- at least 2 players in (Michelle/DeeZees/Hally)
imo it's very interesting that the neon wagon got cleaned out
neon (4): Seanzie, falcon45ca, Lilypetal, EnderWiggin
like, Ender was the N4 NK. kinda looks like scum wanted to slaughter this wagon?
D5 conclusions:
- at least 1 player in (DrWigly/Michelle/Lumi), or at least 2 players if DeeZees is a player as claimed
this fits the whole NPC!lumi, player DrWigly + Michelle logic
D6 conclusions:
- too annoying to spell out and tbh NPCs leave tn so w/e
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
Please describe your game as town and wolf and link recent scum and town game, for meta purpose
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Hally
Mich
Wilgy
Porscha
Lumi
Iawy*
Pyxxy
Jack
Illario
Ricochet*
DZ
Neon
Nook
Schia
take with grain of salt with * since i barely remember anything they've done, i also wouldnt lynch schia even though they are the scummiest person alive because i think they are an npc
Mich
Wilgy
Porscha
Lumi
Iawy*
Pyxxy
Jack
Illario
Ricochet*
DZ
Neon
Nook
Schia
take with grain of salt with * since i barely remember anything they've done, i also wouldnt lynch schia even though they are the scummiest person alive because i think they are an npc
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
Seanzie checked me also I've openly said I'm a player
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
In Pyxxy's post they say the Neon wagon flipped completely, that's not wolf indicative fmpov, i would like to know what gives you this impression @pyxxy
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Ty Manny
Until more people answer, i will prepare for work
Until more people answer, i will prepare for work
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
Also not that i think it matters but you left me out of the list Mich.
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
Lumi asking the questions I've been wondering ask catch upLumi wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:12 pmYou're acting like Neon is a flipped wolf, why do you scumread Neon so much?Hally wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:11 pmi think that in this particular game town needs all the help we can get and we shouldn’t let wolves kill off another villager regardless of the numbersLumi wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:07 pmDo you think that if the game is 5v3 that town should sleep or should town just try to find a wolf among the 8 players?Hally wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:03 pmno, we should go for a player in the PoE and leave schia/rico to get sorted by the purgeLumi wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 9:53 pmTown is on wrong parity right now, so they need a sleep anyway, it is absolutely the right play to use a "sleep" vote on an NPC that also has significant wolf equity in Shia
if we go schia today wolves will just kill one of me/michelle/wilgy tonight and there will be one less active villager alive to help kill the more active wolves
there’s no upside to it when we can just turbo whichever of schia/rico is still alive tomorrow
Especially since I'm town lol
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
can you talk about why you have porscha so high? shoring up a town read on her would help me a tonManny wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:02 am Hally
Mich
Wilgy
Porscha
Lumi
Iawy*
Pyxxy
Jack
Illario
Ricochet*
DZ
Neon
Nook
Schia
take with grain of salt with * since i barely remember anything they've done, i also wouldnt lynch schia even though they are the scummiest person alive because i think they are an npc
do you have a lot of experience with her?
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
no lmao, im just a huge sucker for AtE and her defense yday seemed pretty genuine to me, i've also kinda vibed with her livepostting on previous days since im usually up when she did her string of posts. I could be wrong on Porscha but i kinda think they are way scummier slots that should be killed first and then re-eval after flip so not my problem since im not making it through alive past today
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
If I'm a wolf I'm the worst wolf in the history of wolf kind.Lumi wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:16 pmYes, true, this has been a hard game for a lot of town to get into though, that is empirically true just by virtue of looking at the playerlist still having a ton of people that have been struggling to get into the game.Inawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:12 pm Neon almost dying and then completely falling under the radar afterwards while not really doing anything actively townie is problematic
Maybe Neon is a wolf, I don't know! I've hardly read the game myself! I don't think I've even read more than a dozen of Neon's posts!
But I'm an NPC who can say whatever I want without any consequences and I think that Neon has to be >>rand wolf to warrant a chop there today
I think Lumi can attest that I am not the worst wolf in the history of wolf kind
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
Also smth smth sheep lily and lily died saying porscha was town iirc and lily does have experience with porscha afaik.
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
Willing to bet your life on me flipping wolf?
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
Mafia is quite literally a game of probabilities and statisticsMichelle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:29 amMafia is not a game of probabilities and we don't have to consider only what wolves are doing 'in general'Lumi wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 11:31 pm I was writing a mathematical proof to show that the only time you should not chop Schia today is if at least one of the following two are true:
1) Schia is town and will somehow townclear themselves and never be ML'd
2) If the slot town chops today is a player, then [the probability of that player being a wolf] is greater than [the probability of hitting a wolf post-NPC purge]
And since they are both obviously not true - anyone advocating to not chop Schia today is actually just wolfsiding on average.
But then I realized I'm an NPC and shouldn't be wasting any more of my time on this lmao
If you want to play suboptimally, be my guest ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I miss Santy and SK :sadrain:
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
I'm not gonna lay over and die because my misexe is game losing.
And if you are all so blinded by my activity and can't look at my play and let me show you my town than that's on you not me.
Town has been wrong on people who were not participating being woofs *coughfalconcough* so like maybe work with me.
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
My solve is. Let's find one wolf in a smaller pool and move forward from there.Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:59 am @Porscha
@Schiavetto
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This is the raw list above. And below my first GTH attempt to sort. I am going to read Vivax' Iso and share thoughts and I need everyone in the village or NPC villa hearted to help town toDay.
Pinged myself to find the post in alerts and I am aware I pinged the wolves as well, but if anyone has a chance to clear themselves, toDay is the momenr to do so. Please ping me with your solve
Mich
Wilgy
Hally
Illario
Jack
DZ
Lumi
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Nook
Porscha
Neon
Ricochet
Schia
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
Idk what you mean with work with me fmpov you seem more focused on telling people how town you are and how you cannot posibly be a wolf rather than solving which is prolly not helping anyone actually solve your slot since you could be doing that as either scum or town.Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:15 am I'm not gonna lay over and die because my misexe is game losing.
And if you are all so blinded by my activity and can't look at my play and let me show you my town than that's on you not me.
Town has been wrong on people who were not participating being woofs *coughfalconcough* so like maybe work with me.
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
I don't self meta and also don't think it much matters in a game set up like this however you can go iso me in the following
Town: viewtopic.php?t=2448&start=4700#p997764
Scum: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ions-of-Te
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
I think Lumi is lock!npc
Jack might be afk i think nut died thinking he was so i have no reason to try to go there today
Porscha looks townie to me and hally is prolly the person im the most confident in townreading so this small pool you set up to find a wolf in is bleh
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Having said that if hally is wolf after me saying that it'd be funny so now i hope that is the case
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I've been perpetually PoEd and haven't done anything to even attempt to save myself or get out of PoE and I have zero thread control.
That is not how I want to wolf or what I consider good.
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
Weird.
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
my read on you has nothing to do with your activity really, you just don’t seem like you’re trying to find wolves to meNeon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:15 amI'm not gonna lay over and die because my misexe is game losing.
And if you are all so blinded by my activity and can't look at my play and let me show you my town than that's on you not me.
Town has been wrong on people who were not participating being woofs *coughfalconcough* so like maybe work with me.
but i’ll work with you if you give me something to work with
why do you think jack is a wolf?
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
unless im mistaking you for someone else, werent you a wolf on the betrayal mash and this kinda fits with what you did as a wolf there?.
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
Well that's just blatantly not true there's solving in my isoManny wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:17 amIdk what you mean with work with me fmpov you seem more focused on telling people how town you are and how you cannot posibly be a wolf rather than solving which is prolly not helping anyone actually solve your slot since you could be doing that as either scum or town.Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:15 am I'm not gonna lay over and die because my misexe is game losing.
And if you are all so blinded by my activity and can't look at my play and let me show you my town than that's on you not me.
Town has been wrong on people who were not participating being woofs *coughfalconcough* so like maybe work with me.
I'm just wrong a lot lol but I'm usually wrong and kill npcs so I'm okay with that
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
I doubt they are all town or npcs soManny wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:19 amI think Lumi is lock!npc
Jack might be afk i think nut died thinking he was so i have no reason to try to go there today
Porscha looks townie to me and hally is prolly the person im the most confident in townreading so this small pool you set up to find a wolf in is bleh
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
There probably is, im just saying the ratio between solving and defending yourself is like 70*30 fmpov then again i could be speaking out of my ass since i have not read the whole game but basing myself in what i've seen while i livepost that is the case *dabs*
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
jack might be npc* not afk my brain did dumb
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
Well before I read today's posts it was mainly on voting record since I have limited context. Also Santys death would be a good kill for wolf Jack methinksHally wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:21 ammy read on you has nothing to do with your activity really, you just don’t seem like you’re trying to find wolves to meNeon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:15 amI'm not gonna lay over and die because my misexe is game losing.
And if you are all so blinded by my activity and can't look at my play and let me show you my town than that's on you not me.
Town has been wrong on people who were not participating being woofs *coughfalconcough* so like maybe work with me.
but i’ll work with you if you give me something to work with
why do you think jack is a wolf?
But after reading today's posts he's probably an npc or 100% a wolf and I'm fine killing that lol
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
I mean yes I was wolf and no this isn't how I played lol.
I minposted blatantly open wolfed hardly defended myself and didn't care about the game
I actually do care about this game. And I've been trying to solve. So.
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 6 Ends 10am Dec 20 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)
Yeah i don't really want to die. In not going to ignore half the thread pushing me especially since the push is awful lolManny wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:23 amThere probably is, im just saying the ratio between solving and defending yourself is like 70*30 fmpov then again i could be speaking out of my ass since i have not read the whole game but basing myself in what i've seen while i livepost that is the case *dabs*
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