All righty then, Dead Poetry Jam.
I was at a big Holiday party last night and got home about 10 minutes past poll ending. But had i been here, I probably would not have voted differently.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:23 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:19 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:32 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:45 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:25 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:25 pm
I am on my way to a holiday party. I may or may not be back in here tonight, and I have another Weds., but I’ll be normal days and tomorrow night.
I’m interested in knowing why Marmot and especially Wilgy pushed so hard on Falcon being bad, to the point that Wilgy pushed back at people who didn’t think Falcon was more suspish than he, Wilgy, was. But then didn’t vote for Falcon.
Marmot said he was gonna be out of thread at EOD so there’s that. But I don’t understand what Wilgy was about.
Don't blow my efforts out of the water. I even advised that it was still 2/3 confidence.
You say I pushed back? How do? I believe I inquired as to reasons as half of them weren't given.
How so? I read the thread. You have 41 posts, 18, almost half of them, reference Falcon. Then theres another 5 where you quote him and don't actually type out 'Falcon", so those posts only have his full user name. Most of them were a back and forth with him about why he was bad. I didn't see any 2/3 confidence. Your sureness was why I went back and reread him in the first place.
You pushed back at several people, at me and Sabie specifically for not being sure what to think of it. Then Roxy for saying of you and Falcon, you pinged her more.
You don't get to say, " I believe I inquired as to reasons as half of them weren't given." as if you were just asking for peoples opinions when half of your posts were about "Falcon is wolf", and implying people were bad for thinking YOU might be the wolf.
That said, I get what you're putting out in the post after this one. And it makes alot of sense, but I need to read back interactions to see if I actually believe it.
Aye, perhaps there's a misinterpretation in perception. As stated earlier, I threw Falcon off his normal game plan. That was my initial intention and gauging the reaction following to both Falcon and those around him was my intention.
I only after he responded formed a w read that was more than a 50/50.
By pushing back are you referring to "attempting to read me on meta is incorrect?" By all means feel free to sus me, but bring some arguments that make sense and at least acknowledge that if I advise meta isn't a good way to catch me that there is at least some slight truth to it. I'll continue being a 50/50 read as long as people do not realize that for the past 10 years, my entire playstyle has been in effort to both recognize and break my own patterns while observing the ones surrounding. Mafia is like walking the sands of Arrakis. Move in the same pattern and a sandworm will eat you.
Also further to reaction testing. What do you see re my views and method with Neon? How do you compare them to my handling of Falcon?
I didn't say anything about meta. This has nothing to do with meta; only with what has been said in this game. Although as a massive Dune fan, I 100% get your reference. But I am a tad confused becasue I was talking about this in reference to Lucy earlier, not to you.
I don't mean to be rude but I am not 100% sure I understand what you're saying. I think it is based on how you are wording things *this game* becasue I have not had this problem in the past. It almost seems like you are intentionally obscuring what you actually mean. I don't understand what "throwing Falcon off his normal game plan" means in relation to this. Is his normal game plan NAI? Did you disrupt his game just to test other peoples reactions to it? Was that fair to him? Did you ever actually suspect him, or was this an experiment?
How I would define Pushing back:
Person A: Well, I don't know what to think re Wilgy vs falcon.
Wilgy: What do you mean you can't tell?? Isn't it obvious that he is bad and I am not?
That has nothing to do with meta. I am, again, unsure what point you are trying to make with this. And I am not sure how "reaction testing" is a civvie thing, as you earlier described it. You disrupt someones game, post about it and see how people react to your posts, and you judge them based on whether or not they vote people based on your maybe not true opinions?
It just seems like an excuse to not take responsibility for your actions, and continue to suspect people who "fell" for your... experiment.
I don't understand your "method" as you have described it, so how it applies to Neon, I don't know. I think Neon seems disinterested and is not really invested. Not sure if this is NAI or not. I do know I picked up on your Falcon points (and Marmots, becasue my suspish of Falcon was based more on his interactions with Marmot than on yours) becasue I already was watching him becasue of how Rondos joke baddie team was players 3, 4 and 5, and totally skipped player 2, Falcon. So I paid more attention to your Falcon points than to your Neon points.
I am getting a bit frustrated, I dislike feeling dumb, and not understanding what someone is saying makes me feel like an idiot, lol.
Is his normal game plan NAI? Very much so.
Did you disrupt his game just to test other peoples reactions to it? Both his own and those around it.
Was that fair to him? Yes, not really sure about what is and isn't fair in this setting.
Did you ever actually suspect him, or was this an experiment? I did notice a lack of normal Falcon questions and it was about a 50% suspicion. Falcon's reaction moved it to the 70% where I was comfortable with his yeet.
Person A: Well, I don't know what to think re Wilgy vs falcon.
Wilgy: What do you mean you can't tell?? Isn't it obvious that he is bad and I am not?
I think that this may be a poor representation of me during the Scrabble. Yes, I did question many players that didn't know if my behavior was scummy or not, but I desired for them to draw their own conclusions and my questions were to evaluate as to if those conclusions were genuine.
I think in the presentation above, it is much more indicative of me encouraging a thunder dome. I did nothing of the sort. Any other wagons that had decent analysis behind them were more than welcome. As to if I were to vote there or not, that depends on the argument and if it made sense.
You disrupt someones game, post about it and see how people react to your posts, and you judge them based on whether or not they vote people based on your maybe not true opinions?
Yes, disruption during RVS is how data is generated. We were mostly in a chaos state and off topic until I did so. Yes, judging players reactions and votes is how Mafia is played and solved? Though, I feel that you are implying that my judgement was based on votes alone which feels discrediting for no reason.
No one fell for an experiment. I observed, provided a conclusion, that conclusion was wrong. If people agreed with me, fine. I'd like to know why they agreed with me so I can assess if they are being genuine. If they disagreed with me, also why? Did they have TMI and seek to benefit from a misyeet?
You are not an idiot. I would like you to answer though, if I am town do you have a discourse with how I'm playing the game? If I am wolf, was my push purposely to yeet Falcon and blame those around me blindly?
I didn't know if I could double spoiler, so I didn't even try, lol.
I would have answered some of this differently had I had time to do it yesterday pre yeet
I dislike disrupting someone elses game for no reason, or for less than "I am really pretty sure". This probably comes from the old days when dead meant "no win" even if your team goes on to win in the end. You had to be alive in the end to win, and disrupting someones game intentionally "just to see how they react" isn't something I see coming from a townie place. It's part of why I thought *you* were bad when I first came in, before I thought more about your boss. You may think it is a poor representation, but that is how I saw it at the time. I understand this is no longer the case, but I still tend to view town as benevolent; baddies yeet people and cackle about it in the chat room. Civvies are more careful.
I was not trying to sound "discrediting"; again, disrupting someone elses game for "data" is not something I am a fan of. It's why I really dislike the whole "No lynch is worse than lynching a civvie" mindset. You got data, but that persons game is over. It's an old fashioned mindset on my part, I suppose, and I am *not* being judgy. I know I am a minority here and I understand the reasons why. But I am still not a huge fan of it. You may recall that I took flak for trying to intentionally tie it to save the inestimable Dr Wilgy in LGM.
My *gut* reaction is to view it as bad, and I am a gut player more than a data player, although once past midgame, I'll take data more into account.
And i know I am not an idiot; but as I am sure you can tell, I love language. And reading what someone else is saying and not being able to get the gist of it is somewhat foreign to me, and frustrating as well. So thank you for being more accessible in your answer. It's like the word "slot" as it's been being used. Even though Neon explained it to me, I don't understand it's use here, what less expressive word it replaces. When I see it in a post I get all
That said, I am not sure what
if I am town do you have a discourse with how I'm playing the game?
means in context. Everyone should play how they see fit. I don't like lockstep when everyone thinks the same thing, and yeets people for thinking differently. I kinda loathe the word "antitown" applied as an "it is known". If we're not constantly evolving our mindset what is the point?
I am not talking about how you're playing the game. I am trying to suss out your intentions in your actions while playing the game, and to give you some sense of my own mindset, since your boss seemed to have some concerns in that area. I don't think you are wolf, but when I thought you might be, I thought you were trying to build suspicion on someone for vague reasons, and then you didn't even vote for them. I didn't think you did so "blindly", I doubt you do anything blindly in most games. But I didn't see a town reason for your actions at the time
@Roxy please dont! 
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