Cartomancy [Game Over]

[robyn]

usually i do

also there’s just always a wolf in alison/spf

[Roxy]

@lucy what is SR?

scumread

btw roxy i expect this game to have over 4k posts or more, just be ready because this’ll be much harder than the previous 2 games with relatively relaxed playerlists

100 posts cap though

I will end up voting you unless you respond to questions. just saying....

yea you missed questions.

[Creature]

usually i do

also there’s just always a wolf in alison/spf

I think Alison is one

[robyn]

creature is a terrible vote as he plays with his alignment on his kurdish flag cape after d1

[Creature]

@lucy what is SR?

scumread

btw roxy i expect this game to have over 4k posts or more, just be ready because this’ll be much harder than the previous 2 games with relatively relaxed playerlists

100 posts cap though

I will end up voting you unless you respond to questions. just saying....

yea you missed questions.

The more questions you ask me the likelier I am to miss them

[robyn]

usually i do

also there’s just always a wolf in alison/spf

I think Alison is one

don’t push or wagon her today

[Creature]

usually i do

also there’s just always a wolf in alison/spf

I think Alison is one

don’t push or wagon her today

Alright then where should we go?

[Roxy]

@lucy what is SR?

scumread

btw roxy i expect this game to have over 4k posts or more, just be ready because this’ll be much harder than the previous 2 games with relatively relaxed playerlists

100 posts cap though

I will end up voting you unless you respond to questions. just saying....

yea you missed questions.

The more questions you ask me the likelier I am to miss them

I have asked two only one you did not answer, but whatever.

creature is a terrible vote as he plays with his alignment on his kurdish flag cape after d1

idk feels ok so far but we will see it is still very early and I will not cast a vote until late.

[robyn]

usually i do

also there’s just always a wolf in alison/spf

I think Alison is one

don’t push or wagon her today

Alright then where should we go?

rest is up to u, love

[Alison]

Does Alison ever miss a chance to get into a dog fight with me? No. Alison is now trying to avoid attention and is therefore wolf

[VOTE: Alison ] aubergine

I'm going to continue to ignore you too and there's nothing you can do about it

[tutuu]

Spoiler: show

Wouldn't vote out today:

Baudib1
Creature
lucy
MacDougall
Neon
Porscha
Seanzie
staypositivefriend

Ftr this list isn't a list of townreads. It's a list of townreads + players I don't think are good D1 lynches regardless of my read on them (unless there's something really solid against them).

Wouldn't vote out today:

Alison
Bereft
Dennis
Wigly
falcon
splints
JoH05
Kate
Rondo
Me
Sig
tututatooine

Checkmate
This reads like some of these are my mafia baddie friends. Please do not vote for them.

I do not half these players and wouldn't begin to hazard a guess at alignment D 1 nor would I say I would not elim any of them. I would srsly elim ANYONE that looks bad to me but the difference is I would make my *own* case against them. You know like a proper townie.

So really all you are saying is I cba'ed to actually find any baddies myself but instead wait to see if someone else will do the work so you can slide in and be like " hey I said "unless" there was a "solid case".
Just saying....
I did this same thing when I was bad so yah

Hey Roxy, have you played with Creature before?

[Alison]

i no longer believe the creature sig w/w thing

bereft
lucy
neon
rondo
spf
mac
dennis
seanzie

Why is it Kate though?

i dunno i just got here ask alison

@Alison I was told to ask you about this.

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[Creature]

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

[DrWilgy]

usually i do

also there’s just always a wolf in alison/spf

I think Alison is one

Why though? Your ISO doesn't even have an explanation for this. (I checked thinking I missed it.)

I double checked Alison's reason for voting Kate and I think it's weaker than what Alison makes out to be, but still a decent enough take. I.e. I don't disagree with the conclusion that Kate has a case of wolfy waffling, but I don't think it's an obvscum tell.

[Alison]

So friends, asking as a man who's read nothing and is surprised at the Kate wagon being a 4 person wagon 13 hours in. If Kate is town, is there a wolf below?

Voters: Creature, tutuu, Baudib1, staypositivefriend

It's guaranteed there will be a wolf on this wagon because if Kate is town then wolves see town Alison going aggro on a new Syndicate player who is also town. They are legally obligated to hop on atp

[Alison]

So friends, asking as a man who's read nothing and is surprised at the Kate wagon being a 4 person wagon 13 hours in. If Kate is town, is there a wolf below?

Voters: Creature, tutuu, Baudib1, staypositivefriend

It's guaranteed there will be a wolf on this wagon because if Kate is town then wolves see town Alison going aggro on a new Syndicate player who is also town. They are legally obligated to hop on atp

In fact nobody picking up on my initial Kate suspicion was what solidified my read on her in the first place

[Roxy]

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Hey Roxy, have you played with Creature before?

No why does it matter? It doesn't in mafia. Bad posts are, well, bad. It's why we ask questions and expect answers. It is the towns only weapon.

[Alison]

I agree with SPF that this is a super unexciting game so far. I am just gonna vote the easiest wolf to catch and try to break the game open with associatives.

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

??? I think I've made 2 posts. Why are you looking at me?

This is an outing reaction by the way. This is literally a wolf asking "why me?" This is someone who doesn't understand how they've been caught off 2 posts.

I would dayvig this if I had a gun.

[Alison]

So friends, asking as a man who's read nothing and is surprised at the Kate wagon being a 4 person wagon 13 hours in. If Kate is town, is there a wolf below?

Voters: Creature, tutuu, Baudib1, staypositivefriend

If Kate is mafia, is there not?

I think it's dependent on later data to tell that one. So far Tutuu's response to my ask could be seen as both a noncommittal bus and a swipe at the LHF for example.

Eh I'd say that if Kate is mafia that there's a mafia voting her almost always. Maybe even more mafia than if she's town. Mafia love getting votes onto mafia early when they're under pressure.

I don't think this is true

[Alison]

Especially because a game with a bunch of new-to-the-Syndicate player is a game where powerwolfing (read: not bussing) is a more profitable strategy than usual

[DrWilgy]

So friends, asking as a man who's read nothing and is surprised at the Kate wagon being a 4 person wagon 13 hours in. If Kate is town, is there a wolf below?

Voters: Creature, tutuu, Baudib1, staypositivefriend

It's guaranteed there will be a wolf on this wagon because if Kate is town then wolves see town Alison going aggro on a new Syndicate player who is also town. They are legally obligated to hop on atp

In fact nobody picking up on my initial Kate suspicion was what solidified my read on her in the first place

I agree

Has that suspicion changed since 3 others eventually sheeped you?

[tutuu]

Spoiler: show

Somebody do something to make me feel something.

I'm listening to Easy to Tame by Kim Mitchell, and got Rich Gurl by Hall & Oates qued up next.



Get hyped.



What's your take on Wilgy?

lol I think DrWilgy had a wolf list that feels like it's 0/3 so he can go

Yeah, but it's D1...weird reason to SR him IMO

The same can be said to literally any wolfread rn. Gotta start somewhere.

No, that's not true. Lots of legit reasons to SR a player can & do emerge D1, but to SR a player just cuz you feel they have 0 wolves in a list of 3 is utter crap

Once again, no it isn’t. Pushing wrong world views is exactly what scum do.

lookin cute flushed emoje

[Alison]

The more true thing about that 4 player wagon is it is likely 75% town regardless of Kate's alignment, which is pretty well rand. So trying to do wagonomics with it is dumb.

However 3 of the voters seem much townier than the other, hence my vote.

Fill me in, which one isn't towny?

I said 3 seem townier than one. Not that one wasn't townie.

SPF, Baudib and Tutuu have been a lot townier than Creature.

Creature has hit a towntell of his which is quietly and nakedly sheeping me because he has gotten it into his head that as town I am always right and as mafia I'd feel obligated to bus. Regardless of whether you agree with that I believe that he believes it and so him acting in accordance with that is his town meta.

[falcon45ca]

How does Baudib even have any reasonable idea of what the correct and incorrect world views are at this point in the game?

Shouldn't you ask the same question about Creature as well?

I feel I have, tho in a less direct way

[Roxy]

I agree with SPF that this is a super unexciting game so far. I am just gonna vote the easiest wolf to catch and try to break the game open with associatives.

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

??? I think I've made 2 posts. Why are you looking at me?

This is an outing reaction by the way. This is literally a wolf asking "why me?" This is someone who doesn't understand how they've been caught off 2 posts.

I would dayvig this if I had a gun.

I have played with Kate for years and have no read. You must be psychic or a better player than I.

TBH you pushing so hard is pinging the f out of me.

[falcon45ca]

I agree with SPF that this is a super unexciting game so far. I am just gonna vote the easiest wolf to catch and try to break the game open with associatives.

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

??? I think I've made 2 posts. Why are you looking at me?

This is an outing reaction by the way. This is literally a wolf asking "why me?" This is someone who doesn't understand how they've been caught off 2 posts.

I would dayvig this if I had a gun.

Agreed, tho I didn't find Kate sus until that reaction

[Baudib1]

I'm not convinced Alison is correct but I think she believes she's correct.

ergo voting/sussing her is probably not ideal.

[tutuu]

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Hey Roxy, have you played with Creature before?

No why does it matter? It doesn't in mafia. Bad posts are, well, bad. It's why we ask questions and expect answers. It is the towns only weapon.

Ok I'm really feeling like making w/w reads. Fun af

this time not with sig, but i think Roxy is w/w with Creature for his previous post blasting at him

So they never played before, and Roxy's first game-relevant post (afaik) is coming in guns blazing dismantling creature's post that was posted at around the middle/later part of the thread

It just feels like w/w. mafia tend to unnecessarily scumread each other so much, im noticing

Let me check if creature reacted to it (i hope he didnt so i can confbias myself further to believe this read)

[tutuu]

he reacted oh well

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine
[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

usually i do

also there’s just always a wolf in alison/spf

I think Alison is one

The more true thing about that 4 player wagon is it is likely 75% town regardless of Kate's alignment, which is pretty well rand. So trying to do wagonomics with it is dumb.

However 3 of the voters seem much townier than the other, hence my vote.

Fill me in, which one isn't towny?

I said 3 seem townier than one. Not that one wasn't townie.

SPF, Baudib and Tutuu have been a lot townier than Creature.

Creature has hit a towntell of his which is quietly and nakedly sheeping me because he has gotten it into his head that as town I am always right and as mafia I'd feel obligated to bus. Regardless of whether you agree with that I believe that he believes it and so him acting in accordance with that is his town meta.

Well, Creature thinks you're a wolf...

[Alison]

So friends, asking as a man who's read nothing and is surprised at the Kate wagon being a 4 person wagon 13 hours in. If Kate is town, is there a wolf below?

Voters: Creature, tutuu, Baudib1, staypositivefriend

It's guaranteed there will be a wolf on this wagon because if Kate is town then wolves see town Alison going aggro on a new Syndicate player who is also town. They are legally obligated to hop on atp

In fact nobody picking up on my initial Kate suspicion was what solidified my read on her in the first place

I agree

Has that suspicion changed since 3 others eventually sheeped you?

No because 2 of the 3 are >rand town and the third is someone whose vote is effectively a reaction test that means very little.

[Alison]

I agree with SPF that this is a super unexciting game so far. I am just gonna vote the easiest wolf to catch and try to break the game open with associatives.

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

??? I think I've made 2 posts. Why are you looking at me?

This is an outing reaction by the way. This is literally a wolf asking "why me?" This is someone who doesn't understand how they've been caught off 2 posts.

I would dayvig this if I had a gun.

I have played with Kate for years and have no read. You must be psychic or a better player than I.

TBH you pushing so hard is pinging the f out of me.

I'm a psychic yeah

I usually don't use my powers in mafia games because it makes it too easy but in this case I fell victim to temptation

[Alison]

usually i do

also there’s just always a wolf in alison/spf

I think Alison is one

The more true thing about that 4 player wagon is it is likely 75% town regardless of Kate's alignment, which is pretty well rand. So trying to do wagonomics with it is dumb.

However 3 of the voters seem much townier than the other, hence my vote.

Fill me in, which one isn't towny?

I said 3 seem townier than one. Not that one wasn't townie.

SPF, Baudib and Tutuu have been a lot townier than Creature.

Creature has hit a towntell of his which is quietly and nakedly sheeping me because he has gotten it into his head that as town I am always right and as mafia I'd feel obligated to bus. Regardless of whether you agree with that I believe that he believes it and so him acting in accordance with that is his town meta.

Well, Creature thinks you're a wolf...

That towntell has nothing to do with whether he believes I'm a wolf

generally speaking Creature ping ponging back and forth between voting me and the person I'm voting is normal for him

[Baudib1]

In the absence of doing anything villagery, Jack is pretty votable imo.

[Alison]

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Hey Roxy, have you played with Creature before?

No why does it matter? It doesn't in mafia. Bad posts are, well, bad. It's why we ask questions and expect answers. It is the towns only weapon.

I have played with Kate for years and have no read. You must be psychic or a better player than I.

Highlighted pink text is contradictory.

[Alison]

Kate still has not done anything after coming back to the game by the way.

[Baudib1]

The urge to vote Mac is a lot higher than I thought it could be at this point in the game.

Anyone have thoughts on this? It's probably just me.

[Roxy]

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Hey Roxy, have you played with Creature before?

No why does it matter? It doesn't in mafia. Bad posts are, well, bad. It's why we ask questions and expect answers. It is the towns only weapon.

Ok I'm really feeling like making w/w reads. Fun af

this time not with sig, but i think Roxy is w/w with Creature for his previous post blasting at him

So they never played before, and Roxy's first game-relevant post (afaik) is coming in guns blazing dismantling creature's post that was posted at around the middle/later part of the thread

It just feels like w/w. mafia tend to unnecessarily scumread each other so much, im noticing

Let me check if creature reacted to it (i hope he didnt so i can confbias myself further to believe this read)

Oh honey. that was not guns blazing, you have never played with me but you act like I have tells. If you want a tell look at Felt Mafia 2. I was bad with Kate, SVS and Epi. We never suspected each other let alone voted for each other. I protect my teammates. I do not bus. Which is why we won that game with all four of us still alive. The new players such as yourself do not play this way. (see my baddie game w/lucy LGM) New players mostly all want passes to D 4 so they have info to go off of. OG players like myself find our actual suspicions in the thread. We do not vote without reasons or otherwise we would be the next elim.

[Alison]

The urge to vote Mac is a lot higher than I thought it could be at this point in the game.

Anyone have thoughts on this? It's probably just me.

Not voting mac d1 without a really compelling reason, since if he's town there's a good chance he either gets nightkilled or slaughters the entire wolf team

[Baudib1]

The urge to vote Mac is a lot higher than I thought it could be at this point in the game.

Anyone have thoughts on this? It's probably just me.

Not voting mac d1 without a really compelling reason, since if he's town there's a good chance he either gets nightkilled or slaughters the entire wolf team

yeah that's fair.

[Roxy]

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Hey Roxy, have you played with Creature before?

No why does it matter? It doesn't in mafia. Bad posts are, well, bad. It's why we ask questions and expect answers. It is the towns only weapon.

I have played with Kate for years and have no read. You must be psychic or a better player than I.

Highlighted pink text is contradictory.

not really bc Kate has(d) only a couple of posts but not Creature. Keep trying babe.

[Kate]

Kate still has not done anything after coming back to the game by the way.

No I haven't. I'm trying to get a handle on this. I'm honestly don't know if I can keep up with a game this size (post amount tbc). By the time I read through there's about 40 new posts. I know it's style, but one liner posts are so unnecessary and it makes iso'ing very hard.

[tutuu]

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Hey Roxy, have you played with Creature before?

No why does it matter? It doesn't in mafia. Bad posts are, well, bad. It's why we ask questions and expect answers. It is the towns only weapon.

Ok I'm really feeling like making w/w reads. Fun af

this time not with sig, but i think Roxy is w/w with Creature for his previous post blasting at him

So they never played before, and Roxy's first game-relevant post (afaik) is coming in guns blazing dismantling creature's post that was posted at around the middle/later part of the thread

It just feels like w/w. mafia tend to unnecessarily scumread each other so much, im noticing

Let me check if creature reacted to it (i hope he didnt so i can confbias myself further to believe this read)

Oh honey. that was not guns blazing, you have never played with me but you act like I have tells. If you want a tell look at Felt Mafia 2. I was bad with Kate, SVS and Epi. We never suspected each other let alone voted for each other. I protect my teammates. I do not bus. Which is why we won that game with all four of us still alive. The new players such as yourself do not play this way. (see my baddie game w/lucy LGM) New players mostly all want passes to D 4 so they have info to go off of. OG players like myself find our actual suspicions in the thread. We do not vote without reasons or otherwise we would be the next elim.

hmmm

[Roxy]

I agree with SPF that this is a super unexciting game so far. I am just gonna vote the easiest wolf to catch and try to break the game open with associatives.

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

??? I think I've made 2 posts. Why are you looking at me?

This is an outing reaction by the way. This is literally a wolf asking "why me?" This is someone who doesn't understand how they've been caught off 2 posts.

I would dayvig this if I had a gun.

I have played with Kate for years and have no read. You must be psychic or a better player than I.

TBH you pushing so hard is pinging the f out of me.

I'm a psychic yeah

I usually don't use my powers in mafia games because it makes it too easy but in this case I fell victim to temptation

I am sorry if I offended you with my joke.

[Alison]

Oh honey. that was not guns blazing, you have never played with me but you act like I have tells. If you want a tell look at Felt Mafia 2. I was bad with Kate, SVS and Epi. We never suspected each other let alone voted for each other. I protect my teammates. I do not bus. Which is why we won that game with all four of us still alive. The new players such as yourself do not play this way. (see my baddie game w/lucy LGM) New players mostly all want passes to D 4 so they have info to go off of. OG players like myself find our actual suspicions in the thread. We do not vote without reasons or otherwise we would be the next elim.

1) This is going to be a copypasta after this game is over
2) This is an incorrect characterization of "new players"

[Alison]

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Hey Roxy, have you played with Creature before?

No why does it matter? It doesn't in mafia. Bad posts are, well, bad. It's why we ask questions and expect answers. It is the towns only weapon.

I have played with Kate for years and have no read. You must be psychic or a better player than I.

Highlighted pink text is contradictory.

not really bc Kate has(d) only a couple of posts but not Creature. Keep trying babe.

Bad posts are bad though. If she makes one post but the post is bad then by your logic she should be scumread right?

I explained why the post is bad. Do you have a rebuttal?

[Creature]

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Hey Roxy, have you played with Creature before?

No why does it matter? It doesn't in mafia. Bad posts are, well, bad. It's why we ask questions and expect answers. It is the towns only weapon.

Ok I'm really feeling like making w/w reads. Fun af

this time not with sig, but i think Roxy is w/w with Creature for his previous post blasting at him

So they never played before, and Roxy's first game-relevant post (afaik) is coming in guns blazing dismantling creature's post that was posted at around the middle/later part of the thread

It just feels like w/w. mafia tend to unnecessarily scumread each other so much, im noticing

Let me check if creature reacted to it (i hope he didnt so i can confbias myself further to believe this read)

Oh honey. that was not guns blazing, you have never played with me but you act like I have tells. If you want a tell look at Felt Mafia 2. I was bad with Kate, SVS and Epi. We never suspected each other let alone voted for each other. I protect my teammates. I do not bus. Which is why we won that game with all four of us still alive. The new players such as yourself do not play this way. (see my baddie game w/lucy LGM) New players mostly all want passes to D 4 so they have info to go off of. OG players like myself find our actual suspicions in the thread. We do not vote without reasons or otherwise we would be the next elim.

Guillotine, is that you?

[Alison]

I am sorry if I offended you with my joke.

Do I sound offended?

[Creature]

Kate still has not done anything after coming back to the game by the way.

No I haven't. I'm trying to get a handle on this. I'm honestly don't know if I can keep up with a game this size (post amount tbc). By the time I read through there's about 40 new posts. I know it's style, but one liner posts are so unnecessary and it makes iso'ing very hard.

I prefer one liner posts because they're often a reaction and reactions are easier to read.

Also just realized my wolfread on spf in Da Bois was really shitty.

[Creature]

Maybe Roxy is from Mafia451