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Who drowned Seanzie?

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Dennis
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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Seanzie wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:58 pm Is anyone specifically townreading Dennis?
Minorly, I dont really bother with Dennis if Kate isnt unless I specifically think they could be w/w. His posts so far in response to my prompts have been very town. But I would like to see more of his on his own stuff which is much more telling than being forced to make reads and pulling him into the game. So yeah, town read but light for now. Not sure how much its worth for you coming from me
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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In what world does a player SR another, but have no opinion on their wolf reads list?
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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Seanzie wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:00 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:58 pm
Baudib1 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:55 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:51 pm
Seanzie wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:04 pm Hot take: Alison/Roxy is w/w.

Do I believe it? I don't know. But it is a hot take.
I love how seanzie hates me yet has the same reads as me at the same points in thread
This is pretty clearly not a serious read and you trying to pretend he has the same worldview as you is blatant mischaracterization. And of all things for you to comment on, this would appear to be a superfluous post.
Seanzie likes to play fast and loose with his reads, he decided to post it so there is an off chance he actually thought of it and believed it needed to be put into thread. I have been having the same thought and I decided to point it out. Interesting way to sus me tho.
To be fair, I did actually think it, but I put it at tinfoil-level of belief.

In particular I thought it because the way Alison was pushing reminded me a little bit of Alison/Rondo early on in Halvosen Ridge, which was w/w.
HAHAHAHAH That is EXACTLY why I thought it but it was way more than tinfoil
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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Kinda want to say Seanzie is my ride or die but I havent seen him as wolf so I will just say town for now
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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falcon45ca wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:01 pm In what world does a player SR another, but have no opinion on their wolf reads list?
Then what is your opinion on my reads list? who are the wolves I am hiding? Who are the wolves I am bussing?
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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Rondo, you do realize by fake claiming you're nuking my influence as IC, which i am interpreting as a wolf claim because it's extremely extremely anti town

you're actually fucking tilting me by not engaging
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:03 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:01 pm In what world does a player SR another, but have no opinion on their wolf reads list?
Then what is your opinion on my reads list? who are the wolves I am hiding? Who are the wolves I am bussing?
Your reads list is just a huge mess of hawt garbage.



You have players you question, who based off the queries tone you'd think you SR, but have them as Town



And players you question and then they're Wolves.



There's little to no rhyme or reason, and the whole list makes it easy for you to pivot onto another read at the drop of a hat...and you do.
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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lucy wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:07 pm Rondo, you do realize by fake claiming you're nuking my influence as IC, which i am interpreting as a wolf claim because it's extremely extremely anti town

you're actually fucking tilting me by not engaging
We need your power and influence to switch those wagons.
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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Alright this is good

[VOTE: RondoDimBuckle] aubergine
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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Creature wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:12 pm
lucy wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:07 pm Rondo, you do realize by fake claiming you're nuking my influence as IC, which i am interpreting as a wolf claim because it's extremely extremely anti town

you're actually fucking tilting me by not engaging
We need your power and influence to switch those wagons.
first order of business is being un CCed which is why i'm particularly pissed
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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Baudib1 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:31 pm Mac, can you elaborate on why Alison is OK but her suspicions are based on horseshit/opportunistic? Like I kinda feel you but talk me through it.
You misread. I'm saying suspicions towards her are those things.
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:27 pm You town Tutuu mafia.
can I ask you to elaborate on both?
I literally said I don't know and then you asked me for gun to head. Now you want me to elaborate on reads you clearly asked me to snap based on feel. Therefore the answer is fucking obviously vibes isn't it. Jesus.
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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Alison

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This wagon is so bad we could prob nuke everyone in it
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falcon45ca wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:11 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:03 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:01 pm In what world does a player SR another, but have no opinion on their wolf reads list?
Then what is your opinion on my reads list? who are the wolves I am hiding? Who are the wolves I am bussing?
Your reads list is just a huge mess of hawt garbage.



You have players you question, who based off the queries tone you'd think you SR, but have them as Town



And players you question and then they're Wolves.



There's little to no rhyme or reason, and the whole list makes it easy for you to pivot onto another read at the drop of a hat...and you do.
Where is your reads list? Its easy to criticize without doing any work yourself.

Of course I question them like they are wolves. we are in d1 anyone could be a wolf. Everyone is doing their best to fit into the game and have fun. Even if I think someone is town it doesnt mean I wont ask uncomfortable questions.
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:02 pm Kinda want to say Seanzie is my ride or die but I havent seen him as wolf so I will just say town for now
Tell me about baudib. Also, you should figure out your whole "oracle" thing.
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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Neon wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:31 pm
Neon wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:30 pm
MacDougall wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:22 pm
Neon wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:28 pm
Seanzie wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:09 pm
Neon wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:08 pm Percentage chance of a Mac/Alison W/W world? Like anyone else think that's a possibility right meow? Because it's something I'm buying into more and more during reread.
Sell me on it. What is making you feel that way?
I'm not much of a seller gotta be honest I don't really like making scum cases.

I feel like they are treating each other with kid gloves they are interacting and iirc Mac has a scum read on Alison but he's barely getting into it. I'm used to Alison and Mac at least making some noise when they play together it's like a neutered version of what I'd expect
Your expectations of me are misaligned with the reality of me.
Wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong. What should I be looking for?
Genuine solving.
What if I didn't feel like there was genuineness to your solving until recently?

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Or like... much solving at all.
I would say you'd be wrong and also suspicious for being so blatantly wrong on point 2.
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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MacDougall wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:15 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:27 pm You town Tutuu mafia.
can I ask you to elaborate on both?
I literally said I don't know and then you asked me for gun to head. Now you want me to elaborate on reads you clearly asked me to snap based on feel. Therefore the answer is fucking obviously vibes isn't it. Jesus.
You know what. This is fair. Mea Culpa. I have been neck deep in work but I finally solved a problem that has been bothering me all week
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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Seanzie wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:19 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:02 pm Kinda want to say Seanzie is my ride or die but I havent seen him as wolf so I will just say town for now
Tell me about baudib. Also, you should figure out your whole "oracle" thing.
What about Baudib do you want to know?
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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Conserving posts and will not respond to stupid questions that have obvious answers.
MacDougall wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:14 pm
Baudib1 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:31 pm Mac, can you elaborate on why Alison is OK but her suspicions are based on horseshit/opportunistic? Like I kinda feel you but talk me through it.
You misread. I'm saying suspicions towards her are those things.
ok
MacDougall wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:15 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:27 pm You town Tutuu mafia.
can I ask you to elaborate on both?
I literally said I don't know and then you asked me for gun to head. Now you want me to elaborate on reads you clearly asked me to snap based on feel. Therefore the answer is fucking obviously vibes isn't it. Jesus.
Rondo and falcon are both asking a lot of questions that are basically pointless. Could throw splinter into that category as well.
Creature wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:17 pm Alison

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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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Yes, Rondo is holding the game hostage by talking about literally everything but the Oracle issue.
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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sig wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 5:17 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:20 am Current leans

@sig wolf? (GTH Wolf) === Why did you try to undermine my Mac town read? Why are you defending Falcon? Why are you giving me a day 1 pass in a game about suspicion and deceit? What specifically do you like about Sean / Baud's post? When do you plan on doing any actual solving?
@staypositivefriend dunno (GT
(A) Kate > (B) Sig > (C) Lucy > (D)(One of Alison/Mac)

A - if kate flips wolf, analyse spew (or lack of and continue with kill list)
B - if Sig flips wolf, analyse spew (or lack of and continue with kill list)
C - if lucy flips wolf, anal- win the game


A - if kate flips town > kill counter wagon and so on till finding wolf and then kill most towny player day 4 if 3 consecutive non wolf hits (Hence D. Mac/Alison)
B - as above but +1 day
C - as above but +2 days

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First, I don’t like the level of tie in you’re attempting to do this early on, pre any flips. A lot of assumptions are being made and I find that this is more commonly a tactic used by mafia. Especially early game since it allows you to post a lot but say very little.

I alreayd answered the falcon question when talking to him, but basically he’s misvoted a lot and I don’t see much to see why he’s mafia. His posts (up to where I was which was around 10am today) are all pretty normal.

Mac is someone who we shouldn’t hardcore read town day 1 and I said why in my post. I’m not liking some of your questions especially this one since I answered it upfront? Seems like you’re just fishing for a reason to vote for me right now.

The other two were gut feels I like their playstyle so far.

I was against voting you day 1 since I wasn’t seeing the reasons and it seems like you’re misvoted alot.


Now my questions for you.

Why is it odd that I don’t want people to Town Read Mac for doing almost nothing, BUT, it’s also odd for me to not want to vote you out since “this is a game of deception”? You’re Basically making two totally counter arguments/point that don’t fit together at all. This + you questioning me about Mac is raising some flags
Mac is usually pretty self resolving and someone I trust to get things right as town and someone I will tinfoil so its a win win to just town read him, either he is wolf and dies later because he is still around or he is town and he dies night 1 or wolves leave him and they die. Visavi my last wolf game where they tried to lover him and then play fast and loose and he ended up just locking the game up.

Yeah I frequently push multiple agendas as both alignments because its nice as wolf and as town I like to explore multiple game states at the same time so as falcon said, my reads tend to pivot a lot.

How do you feel about being an early pairing with creature? what do you think about the people that pushed you?
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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Baudib1 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:23 pm Yes, Rondo is holding the game hostage by talking about literally everything but the Oracle issue.
Not really. Ive already said I town read Lucy so we can just move on
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:26 pm
Baudib1 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:23 pm Yes, Rondo is holding the game hostage by talking about literally everything but the Oracle issue.
Not really. Ive already said I town read Lucy so we can just move on
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:21 pm
Seanzie wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:19 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:02 pm Kinda want to say Seanzie is my ride or die but I havent seen him as wolf so I will just say town for now
Tell me about baudib. Also, you should figure out your whole "oracle" thing.
What about Baudib do you want to know?
Full scale read. ISO them, read my posts about them, give me your thoughts.

I'm your not-quite-ride-or-die and I think Baudib is mafia. Do you agree or am I mistaken?
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after that unclaim i can get to work making better wagons, firstly by abolishing literally every current wagon with 3 or above votes
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staypositivefriend wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:40 pm @RondoDimBuckle -

same to u
I saw this post earlier this morning. I posted 2 minutes later. You didnt engage with me like you wanted to over the next 2 hours. Why?
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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lucy wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:32 pm after that unclaim i can get to work making better wagons, firstly by abolishing literally every current wagon with 3 or above votes
I would just go about your business, no one is going to think Rondo is the Oracle. I agree that the current wagons are spectacularly bad.
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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Seanzie wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:32 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:21 pm
Seanzie wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:19 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:02 pm Kinda want to say Seanzie is my ride or die but I havent seen him as wolf so I will just say town for now
Tell me about baudib. Also, you should figure out your whole "oracle" thing.
What about Baudib do you want to know?
Full scale read. ISO them, read my posts about them, give me your thoughts.

I'm your not-quite-ride-or-die and I think Baudib is mafia. Do you agree or am I mistaken?
This will probably be my last post for the day while I am at work, I will read later tonight, if you could gather up all your issues into one post it will be helpful for me. You dont have to tho.
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:19 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:11 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:03 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:01 pm In what world does a player SR another, but have no opinion on their wolf reads list?
Then what is your opinion on my reads list? who are the wolves I am hiding? Who are the wolves I am bussing?
Your reads list is just a huge mess of hawt garbage.



You have players you question, who based off the queries tone you'd think you SR, but have them as Town



And players you question and then they're Wolves.



There's little to no rhyme or reason, and the whole list makes it easy for you to pivot onto another read at the drop of a hat...and you do.
Where is your reads list? Its easy to criticize without doing any work yourself.

Of course I question them like they are wolves. we are in d1 anyone could be a wolf. Everyone is doing their best to fit into the game and have fun. Even if I think someone is town it doesnt mean I wont ask uncomfortable questions.
Rondo, Mac, Baudi


I'm working as hard or harder this D1 as falcon usually does, so that's baloney.
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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Baudib1 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:34 pm
lucy wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:32 pm after that unclaim i can get to work making better wagons, firstly by abolishing literally every current wagon with 3 or above votes
I would just go about your business, no one is going to think Rondo is the Oracle. I agree that the current wagons are spectacularly bad.
Alison, Creature, Rondo are spectacularly bad wagons? Would you care to give any detail as to why? All 3 are Town then in your eyes I presume?
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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it's almost 900 posts in and i don't have any confident wolf reads... great
i'll reread and post a readslist tonight
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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FUCK, everyone on Wigly rn, mafia can hammer alison with a card, let's adjust wagons like that
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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lucy wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:45 pm FUCK, everyone on Wigly rn, mafia can hammer alison with a card, let's adjust wagons like that
No one has cards today. there hasnt been a night yet
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:47 pm
lucy wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:45 pm FUCK, everyone on Wigly rn, mafia can hammer alison with a card, let's adjust wagons like that
No one has cards today. there hasnt been a night yet
Also no hammer
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:47 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:47 pm
lucy wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:45 pm FUCK, everyone on Wigly rn, mafia can hammer alison with a card, let's adjust wagons like that
No one has cards today. there hasnt been a night yet
Also no hammer
a card has a hammer
@Baudib1 back on creature for the moment
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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@RondoDimBuckle on creature for a bit, thanks
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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Alison, Creature, Rondo, Baudi, Wilgy



That's been the pretty consistent wagons thus far this RD. Baudi thinks these are spectacularly bad...despite SR Wilgy for sure, and certainly shading Rondo...that's 2/5 he should have no issue w/ flipping, yet he acts like we've got spectacularly bad wagons.


I don't see how a town thinks like this
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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falcon45ca wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:49 pm Alison, Creature, Rondo, Baudi, Wilgy



That's been the pretty consistent wagons thus far this RD. Baudi thinks these are spectacularly bad...despite SR Wilgy for sure, and certainly shading Rondo...that's 2/5 he should have no issue w/ flipping, yet he acts like we've got spectacularly bad wagons.


I don't see how a town thinks like this
Really, 2/4 wagons, cuz I'm sure he doesn't want his own flip.


Half the wagons are for players he's been shading or outright SR...I don't see that as a Town mindset at all
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[VOTE: baudi] aubergine
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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here's where i'm at rn. it's a bit more hedgy than i'd like but meh

if kate is mafia then alison is probably town because i dont think that the way kate reacted to alison’s push on her felt like W/W interaction. the same applies for roxy as well but i currently perceive kate as having a slightly higher chance of being mafia than roxy. as for alison herself, i dunno. i understand that some of her arguments are easy to perceive in bad faith (like the way she poked at roxy earlier in a way where it did kind of feel like she was trying to ~dunk~ on her more than anything), but i’ve also played enough with alison to know that this style of engagement isn’t alignment indicative

so in the absence of reasons to scumread alison, and because i think alison is unaligned with 2 other ppl who are kinda in my POE, i’m at the very least not willing to vote for alison today

i like that baub felt like he had kind of positioned himself to be able to push on seanzie but then ended up backing off of him anyway. i also think his push on jack has felt like it came fro ma place of conviction. i don’t know how to read baub at all but i think he’s fine s ofar

i thought the way that bereft pushed on me while revealing that he was secretly repping a townread on me while doing so was towny. i thought the way it felt like he was projecting his view of the game (ie: “i dont find the game boring but spf finds the game boring so t herefore spf be mafia) was towny too. i townlean him

i think that creature replied decently to my concerns about him, but i do still find it difficult to shake the feeling that he is being rather careless with the way he is posting reads and acting overly confident and haughty in a way that is uncharacteristic from pretty much every game ive seen for him

i think it bothers me for a few reasons:

-his focus is all off. creature has obsessed over reading mac and me correctly in every game iver played with him but here he is pushing more on the LHF and not really engaging with either of us much at all

-he just made a post that said: “This wagon is so bad we could prob nuke everyone in it” , and this is the exact type of attitude i struggle to believe that creature would have as town

honestly i m having trouble letting go of this read on creature because he keeps making posts that ping me even though i acknowledge i could be relying on meta too strongly or confirmation biasingm yself, but yeah

tbh i kind of like the fact that dennis went out of his way to limit himself for potential options to push (by saying he isnt willing to vote any of kate/neon/lucy/falcon very early into the game) but i’m kind of ambivalent about his posts beyond that

the readslist that wilgy posted on viewtopic.php?p=1002310#p1002310 didn’t really feel proportional to the solving he had done up to that point. i don’t really get anything alignment indicative out of the rest of the stuff he’s posted

i have no idea how to read falcon and im not going to pretend that i can

i think the way that fingersplints followed up my question about the alison/roxy dynamic was towny. i need to see her post more before i make up my mind on her alignment tho

i thought the way that jack dug in his heels and stubbornly continued to hard tunnel alison even after i questioned him/tried to talk him down felt like it came more from the perspective of a villager who felt convicted over their scumread and less from a wolf, since i think wolves are more likely to capitulate to pressure when they are being questioned on their reads like that, or at least say more hedgy stuff like “alison could be town but…”

tbh though i might be giving jack too much of a pass because at the end of the day i do think that his reasoning for scumread alison is kind of bad and im unconsciously operating under the assumption that he has a polarized wolfgame, which is kind of making me treat him with gids gloves. idk. i dont want this read to be as null at it is but there u go

i think that p#120 from kate was a wolfy post and came off a little bit self-conscious. i thought she responded to pressure somewhat awkwardly too. i don’t have any other thoughts

lucy is town

i think mac is probably town for reasons that ill explain if u really want me to

im mildly bothered by the way that neon has treated me in this game. she has consistently shaded me and implied that it was wolfy for me to think that the game was boring during the first few pages and has regularly downplayed townreads on me, but she has offered no commentary on my posts beyond that whatsoever and she seems barely interested in engaging with me/communicating with me at all

it reminds me of the sabi invitational game where she consistently treated me in bad faith when she was mafia and i let it slide because i thought she was tonally towny/she had conviction. she’s essentially treating me the same way here and i’ve had trouble getting past it. i don’t really care about her posts beyond that and ive barely paid attention to them

i think porsche is most likely town because i perceive her as being mildly polarized and the depth of analysis/thought that she has projected so far is proly town indicative for her, and because i think #760 in particular would be a difficult post for a wolf to write about themselves, particularly if they traditionally struggle with wolfing in general

holding off on my rondo read for reasons

i think it was mildly wolfy that roxy shifted her positioning toward kate a bit awkwardly when she was engaging with alison but i would be lying if i said if i thought that any of her posts were alignment indicative. i i get the sense that she’s the type of player that will project towniness better if she’s town if she is left alone and able to do her own thing, so im not really interested in adding to the pressure on her at the moment and i’d like to see how she plays when she isn’t being bombarded by the rest of the game

i thought it was towny that seanzie used his experience with my wolfgame as a foundation for his reado n me in this game. i’m kind of ambivalent about the rest of his posts but i proly wuldnt touch him today

sig had a towny opening but his vote on alison a little while ago was bad and felt opportunistic. i actually scumlean him now

one of my biggest concerns about tutu was actually that she was townreading me too easily and uncritically so the fact that she suddenly got super paranoid about me being mafia and revoked her townread felt towny. idk how to read he but i would also not touch her today for various reasons
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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i would appreciate if anyone could engage with any of those reads because im a little #lost right now (lost wolf soft)
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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falcon45ca wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:50 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:49 pm Alison, Creature, Rondo, Baudi, Wilgy



That's been the pretty consistent wagons thus far this RD. Baudi thinks these are spectacularly bad...despite SR Wilgy for sure, and certainly shading Rondo...that's 2/5 he should have no issue w/ flipping, yet he acts like we've got spectacularly bad wagons.


I don't see how a town thinks like this
Really, 2/4 wagons, cuz I'm sure he doesn't want his own flip.


Half the wagons are for players he's been shading or outright SR...I don't see that as a Town mindset at all
Bruh u cannot get me lynched.

First off it was me Creature and Alison and the town Oracle said she wanted to nuke the wagons so if you don’t think it can be a town POV take it up with our PR. Wilgy became a wagon because Lucy asked for it.
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:33 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:40 pm @RondoDimBuckle -

same to u
I saw this post earlier this morning. I posted 2 minutes later. You didnt engage with me like you wanted to over the next 2 hours. Why?
was waiting until i could share my thoughts so that we would have something to talk about tbh

do u have any thoughts on the reads i just posted? do u strongly disagree with any of them?
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

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lucy wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:48 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:47 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:47 pm
lucy wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:45 pm FUCK, everyone on Wigly rn, mafia can hammer alison with a card, let's adjust wagons like that
No one has cards today. there hasnt been a night yet
Also no hammer
a card has a hammer
@Baudib1 back on creature for the moment
People don't get cards until N1. Also, stunting wagons on the off chance that mafia got the hammer card is likely -ev due to loss of natural wagonomics and decreased morale.
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staypositivefriend wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:52 pm here's where i'm at rn. it's a bit more hedgy than i'd like but meh

if kate is mafia then alison is probably town because i dont think that the way kate reacted to alison’s push on her felt like W/W interaction. the same applies for roxy as well but i currently perceive kate as having a slightly higher chance of being mafia than roxy. as for alison herself, i dunno. i understand that some of her arguments are easy to perceive in bad faith (like the way she poked at roxy earlier in a way where it did kind of feel like she was trying to ~dunk~ on her more than anything), but i’ve also played enough with alison to know that this style of engagement isn’t alignment indicative

so in the absence of reasons to scumread alison, and because i think alison is unaligned with 2 other ppl who are kinda in my POE, i’m at the very least not willing to vote for alison today

i like that baub felt like he had kind of positioned himself to be able to push on seanzie but then ended up backing off of him anyway. i also think his push on jack has felt like it came fro ma place of conviction. i don’t know how to read baub at all but i think he’s fine s ofar

i thought the way that bereft pushed on me while revealing that he was secretly repping a townread on me while doing so was towny. i thought the way it felt like he was projecting his view of the game (ie: “i dont find the game boring but spf finds the game boring so t herefore spf be mafia) was towny too. i townlean him

i think that creature replied decently to my concerns about him, but i do still find it difficult to shake the feeling that he is being rather careless with the way he is posting reads and acting overly confident and haughty in a way that is uncharacteristic from pretty much every game ive seen for him

i think it bothers me for a few reasons:

-his focus is all off. creature has obsessed over reading mac and me correctly in every game iver played with him but here he is pushing more on the LHF and not really engaging with either of us much at all

-he just made a post that said: “This wagon is so bad we could prob nuke everyone in it” , and this is the exact type of attitude i struggle to believe that creature would have as town

honestly i m having trouble letting go of this read on creature because he keeps making posts that ping me even though i acknowledge i could be relying on meta too strongly or confirmation biasingm yself, but yeah

tbh i kind of like the fact that dennis went out of his way to limit himself for potential options to push (by saying he isnt willing to vote any of kate/neon/lucy/falcon very early into the game) but i’m kind of ambivalent about his posts beyond that

the readslist that wilgy posted on viewtopic.php?p=1002310#p1002310 didn’t really feel proportional to the solving he had done up to that point. i don’t really get anything alignment indicative out of the rest of the stuff he’s posted

i have no idea how to read falcon and im not going to pretend that i can

i think the way that fingersplints followed up my question about the alison/roxy dynamic was towny. i need to see her post more before i make up my mind on her alignment tho

i thought the way that jack dug in his heels and stubbornly continued to hard tunnel alison even after i questioned him/tried to talk him down felt like it came more from the perspective of a villager who felt convicted over their scumread and less from a wolf, since i think wolves are more likely to capitulate to pressure when they are being questioned on their reads like that, or at least say more hedgy stuff like “alison could be town but…”

tbh though i might be giving jack too much of a pass because at the end of the day i do think that his reasoning for scumread alison is kind of bad and im unconsciously operating under the assumption that he has a polarized wolfgame, which is kind of making me treat him with gids gloves. idk. i dont want this read to be as null at it is but there u go

i think that p#120 from kate was a wolfy post and came off a little bit self-conscious. i thought she responded to pressure somewhat awkwardly too. i don’t have any other thoughts

lucy is town

i think mac is probably town for reasons that ill explain if u really want me to

im mildly bothered by the way that neon has treated me in this game. she has consistently shaded me and implied that it was wolfy for me to think that the game was boring during the first few pages and has regularly downplayed townreads on me, but she has offered no commentary on my posts beyond that whatsoever and she seems barely interested in engaging with me/communicating with me at all

it reminds me of the sabi invitational game where she consistently treated me in bad faith when she was mafia and i let it slide because i thought she was tonally towny/she had conviction. she’s essentially treating me the same way here and i’ve had trouble getting past it. i don’t really care about her posts beyond that and ive barely paid attention to them

i think porsche is most likely town because i perceive her as being mildly polarized and the depth of analysis/thought that she has projected so far is proly town indicative for her, and because i think #760 in particular would be a difficult post for a wolf to write about themselves, particularly if they traditionally struggle with wolfing in general

holding off on my rondo read for reasons

i think it was mildly wolfy that roxy shifted her positioning toward kate a bit awkwardly when she was engaging with alison but i would be lying if i said if i thought that any of her posts were alignment indicative. i i get the sense that she’s the type of player that will project towniness better if she’s town if she is left alone and able to do her own thing, so im not really interested in adding to the pressure on her at the moment and i’d like to see how she plays when she isn’t being bombarded by the rest of the game

i thought it was towny that seanzie used his experience with my wolfgame as a foundation for his reado n me in this game. i’m kind of ambivalent about the rest of his posts but i proly wuldnt touch him today

sig had a towny opening but his vote on alison a little while ago was bad and felt opportunistic. i actually scumlean him now

one of my biggest concerns about tutu was actually that she was townreading me too easily and uncritically so the fact that she suddenly got super paranoid about me being mafia and revoked her townread felt towny. idk how to read he but i would also not touch her today for various reasons
So you think it was reasonable for me to think that post was reminiscent of scum!FPS? Because I was kinda wishy-washy on that, and was thinking you'd contest the point.
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well the point was bad, because the read on creature i made wasn't really similar at all to the reads i posted about you in king of the hill mafia

but in a vacuum, the thought process of: "SPF is acting similarly to the wolfgame i recently saw from her, so she might be mafia" is a thought that comes from a town perspective more often than not
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SPF:
I’ve never had any interest I pushing Seanzie

I get that you think you’re onto something with the Creature read and you may be correct but in a vacuum I think his play has been > rand villagery and I would probably be easier for him to like… not be like that. You could be right though, this isn’t something I’d hard press on D3 or something.

I think Jack is Uber wolfy
just decided to shade Alison and then make up reasons why as he went along. If you read his posts chronologically it might be easier to see this.

I agree with or have no opinion on the rest of your reads.
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