Cartomancy [Game Over]

[MacDougall]

Baudib neon is a dead town

[MacDougall]

@falcon45ca @Seanzie

issue with killing Roxy, Sabi and Wilgy yay or nay?

[Seanzie]

I will now proceed to waste a post asking how it is possible that I've gained zero info on what Dr. Wilgy is like a wolf. That I've had zero ability to discern whether Dr.Wilgy fakes some level of emotion as wolf. That there's been zero reads on Dr. Wilgy besides tutuu that aren't just "kill because theyre spouting BS" (and yes they are spouting nonsense dont @ me wilgy)

I will note that Seanzie defended falcon, there is definitely a difference in how these players have been treated or am I imagining things.

Falcon *should be* an easy read, but people are getting him wrong, and I don't know why.

Wilgy is an enigma wrapped in a puzzle box that has a tongue that licks things.

[MacDougall]

Sorry about my outrage earlier I tried to use humour to calm the storm that entered my mind and I'm not sure how well it worked.

[Seanzie]

D1

Alison: 6
falcon45ca
fingersplints
Jackofhearts2005
Neon
Roxy
sig

Day 2

Alison
6
40%
Voters: falcon45ca, Neon, Jackofhearts2005, tutuu, sig, Dennis

I wish to kill sig and Falcon badly.

I was also on Alison at EoD1.

Also, you flipflopped on Alison D2.

[MacDougall]

Seanzie is definitely town if anyone was doubting that. I can tell because I wish I wasn't playing this game.

[Baudib1]

Baudib neon is a dead town

yeah I said I wrote it up before the Neon flip.

[falcon45ca]

D1

Alison: 6
falcon45ca
fingersplints
Jackofhearts2005
Neon
Roxy
sig

Day 2

Alison
6
40%
Voters: falcon45ca, Neon, Jackofhearts2005, tutuu, sig, Dennis

I wish to kill sig and Falcon badly.

What does your solve look like when I flip town?



And I will. Bank it.

For someone who has demonstrably hard wolfsided you seem insistent on continuing to do so.

Blah blah blah, I'm all for pressuring Roxy and Jack. If you don't like that I find Sig towny, that's fine...we don't all have to share the same reads ya know.


[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

I didn't even know you did or care. I only care that your read on me is pure garbage.

Right back at ya. Now that we agree we both think the other is Maf, let's go find some other ones

I asked you what your worldview looks like with me as town before you did you mountain of mildew

Well, we both know I don't really do worldview analyzing, especially without a red flip.


I've just said who I find scummy, and I forgot Kate's slot, so add sabi to the pile

[tutuu]

IM GLAD I WAS RIGHT ON @Neon CHAN

bro that day 1 was like that island in pirates of the caribbean

[Spacedaisy]

Baudib1 has been modkilled. This decision has no relevance to game mechanics or the state of the game. Do not discuss the manner of why he was modkilled further.

Baudib1 was Vanilla Town

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca @Seanzie

issue with killing Roxy, Sabi and Wilgy yay or nay?

Roxy, sabi ya. Wilgy not so much

[Creature]

Here be dragons - minimum 3 wolves her I think
Falcon
Wilgy
Sig
Roxy

Jack

[Seanzie]

Ok so @Seanzie I guess we would like you to clarify. Do you have mechanical information that indicate Mac and Jack are wolves?

no bro, don't you know that if I did I couldn't say it but hey it isn't the case anyway, so sit down and just drown in the fact that "Mac and Jack ate a shortstack of flapjacks in wolf chat" is a fact that I deduced by being a sleuth, reading the thread, using my head. No cards jarred these facts that I spread.

Are you able to elaborate on what lead you to that conclusion then pls

This post:

If alison is mafia i feel like 2 or maybe 3 of the people vehemently pushing her are also mafia

Looking at jack and sig

A possible explanation for the behavior "alison maf, i aint moving, nu-uh, nothing else exists i put my hands on my ears lalalalala" is an orchestrated bus, maybe alison has exams or something she always has exams :P

(I still have an unconfident townread on her, just exploring an option)

Aww darn you got me but I guess I’ll double down and hope for the best. Maybe reverse psychology will keep you from yeeting Alison, who is wolves with me.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Is a wolf who is saying "Haha, you're pairing me with a townie, you think you've caught me but you're right for the wrong reasons and it will fall apart when Alison flips". Jack HAS been got, just not for the reasons Tutuu is putting out.

I don't remember the specifics behind Mac, but I'm sure they were breathtakingly convincing, and could stand alone without considering that Mac is eating villagers for breakfast left and right.

Seanzie how the fucking fuck can you say that last sentence. I've literally killed ONE WOLFY SLANKER to try to save the town that HALF THE GAME KILLED. Fucking fuck fucker.

You were one of the most influential voices pushing Alison D2.

[tutuu]

Roxy
Creature
Sig

Is my immediate poe

Alisons legacy, and i had w/w reads including these 3 names myself

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

[Creature]

Oh RIP baudib1

[staypositivefriend]

ouch.

[Creature]

Roxy
Creature
Sig

Is my immediate poe

Alisons legacy, and i had w/w reads including these 3 names myself

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

[tutuu]

Roxy
Creature
Sig

Is my immediate poe

Alisons legacy, and i had w/w reads including these 3 names myself

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

Porscha and falcon are my independent scumreads to finish it off (for 5 names)

This also independebtly respects alisons townread on jack (and mine)

[Seanzie]

i am oracle, i have no idea why i'm facing so much opposition, what do you guys think about me being openly opposed and not listened to?

is it towny? is it scummy? what purpose does it serve?

I think any one person, even an IC, trying to take the reins of the game into their own hands is extremely bad for threadhealth, wagonomics, and in general gameplay. It creates a gamestate that is extremely easy for wolves to work around and that limits all the townies abilities to do their things.

It is towny to be opposed to a bad strategy. The purpose opposing it serves is to hopefully convince you to realize that what you're asking of the thread is IMO a bad way to play the game that does more harm than good.

stop posting cringe you're making me wish I was blind

Why are you deliberately trying to destroy threadhealth right now?

[falcon45ca]

i am oracle, i have no idea why i'm facing so much opposition, what do you guys think about me being openly opposed and not listened to?

is it towny? is it scummy? what purpose does it serve?

I think any one person, even an IC, trying to take the reins of the game into their own hands is extremely bad for threadhealth, wagonomics, and in general gameplay. It creates a gamestate that is extremely easy for wolves to work around and that limits all the townies abilities to do their things.

It is towny to be opposed to a bad strategy. The purpose opposing it serves is to hopefully convince you to realize that what you're asking of the thread is IMO a bad way to play the game that does more harm than good.

stop posting cringe you're making me wish I was blind

Why are you deliberately trying to destroy threadhealth right now?

Well, I can think of one reason

[tutuu]

Ok so @Seanzie I guess we would like you to clarify. Do you have mechanical information that indicate Mac and Jack are wolves?

no bro, don't you know that if I did I couldn't say it but hey it isn't the case anyway, so sit down and just drown in the fact that "Mac and Jack ate a shortstack of flapjacks in wolf chat" is a fact that I deduced by being a sleuth, reading the thread, using my head. No cards jarred these facts that I spread.

Are you able to elaborate on what lead you to that conclusion then pls

Why am I having a hard time seeing you as town this game?


It feels like you're here in body, but not spirit

THE W/W PAIN TRAIN IS STILL GOING BRO IT AINT STOPPING

[tutuu]

i am oracle, i have no idea why i'm facing so much opposition, what do you guys think about me being openly opposed and not listened to?

u should change ur avi to this to commemorate this moment

Spoiler: show

[Seanzie]

i am oracle, i have no idea why i'm facing so much opposition, what do you guys think about me being openly opposed and not listened to?

is it towny? is it scummy? what purpose does it serve?

I think any one person, even an IC, trying to take the reins of the game into their own hands is extremely bad for threadhealth, wagonomics, and in general gameplay. It creates a gamestate that is extremely easy for wolves to work around and that limits all the townies abilities to do their things.

It is towny to be opposed to a bad strategy. The purpose opposing it serves is to hopefully convince you to realize that what you're asking of the thread is IMO a bad way to play the game that does more harm than good.

Did you guys know that Oracle gets alignment info?

I totally didnt realize that until recently.

Maybe Lucy has info we dont.

The Oracle can find the Zealot, but as far as I can tell, that's it. Since N2 targets were randed, she has less info than she would otherwise by now. There is a small chance that N1 she found a group of 3 with the Zealot and perhaps Jack is one, and I am considering that, but regardless her softing a single zealot read is not at all the same as her trying to control the wagons. EoD1 we lost a lot of information, and I don't want that to happen again.

Unless you know of some other way the oracle gets alignment info (other than a very small amount of info gained from possible card usage, which is likely going to be very difficult to decipher), this is not so much info that we should just blindly sheep whatever wagon Lucy tells us to.

[Creature]

Aw shit just lost a townread.

So I must have:

Bereft
Dennis
lucy
Seanzie (new addition)
tutuu

I'm for now taking off falcon45ca.

Prob ain't touching Mac/SPF for a while.

So leaves:

DrWilgy
falcon45ca (need more opinions)
Jackofhearts2005
Kate/Sabiplz
Porscha (someone please give a read here)
RondoDimBuckle
Roxy
sig

[Seanzie]

@falcon45ca @Seanzie

issue with killing Roxy, Sabi and Wilgy yay or nay?

I have zero thoughts on all three of them.

[Creature]

DrWilgy + Jackofhearts2005 + Kate/Sabiplz + Roxy + sig? Maybe RondoDimBuckle as backup.

[Seanzie]

@falcon45ca @Seanzie

issue with killing Roxy, Sabi and Wilgy yay or nay?

I have zero thoughts on all three of them.

Oh, nvm Sabi is Kate, sure... she is starting from a negative. I'll let her breathe a bit though and re-eval once Sabi is fully here.

[tutuu]

tutuu
lucy
mac
drwilgy
dennis
rondo
seanzie
spf
bereft
sabipls
jackieboy

sig
falcon
porscha
creature
roxy

[Creature]

Alright

DrWilgy
Jackofhearts2005
Kate/Sabiplz
Roxy
sig

Those are my top wolf picks and would lynch one of them today

[Creature]

Alright

DrWilgy
Jackofhearts2005
Kate/Sabiplz
Roxy
sig

Those are my top wolf picks and would lynch one of them today

Roxy > Jack > Kate/Sabi > Wilgy > sig

[tutuu]

@Porscha youre outed, can you spew some of your teammates please?

[falcon45ca]

Ok so @Seanzie I guess we would like you to clarify. Do you have mechanical information that indicate Mac and Jack are wolves?

no bro, don't you know that if I did I couldn't say it but hey it isn't the case anyway, so sit down and just drown in the fact that "Mac and Jack ate a shortstack of flapjacks in wolf chat" is a fact that I deduced by being a sleuth, reading the thread, using my head. No cards jarred these facts that I spread.

Are you able to elaborate on what lead you to that conclusion then pls

Why am I having a hard time seeing you as town this game?


It feels like you're here in body, but not spirit

THE W/W PAIN TRAIN IS STILL GOING BRO IT AINT STOPPING

Do these words make sense to you?

It feels as tho memes have just soaked your frontal lobe, and now it's nigh impossible for you to interact with the world in any way that doesn't resemble a Tik Tok

[tutuu]

Someone talk to me about Sig, if you want. I can't make you

They were one of the sketchiest votes on Alison and I kinda thought his D1 entrance was forced. Also it feels like his wolfread on me was pure OMGUS and was implying I was pushing him for being known LHF (when he's clearly not being LHF this game).

Why was I the sketchiest vote? This narrative makes no sense .


Can’t comment on forced D1 it’s how I always come in I was joking it’s whatever.

I am/was LHF and used to be frequently misvoted, this is a very odd take. Plus my name keeps getting brought up meaning I’m still in the mix/LHF this game

quoting that bad boss buy from pulp fiction: "I WANNA TAKE A FLAMETHROWER TO THIS PLACE"

[Bereft]

I think jack is town now because he's playing in a way that would essentially guarantee he dies if he gets his goal of killing me - I can't see any worlds where he survives much longer if I flip and that seems like an odd line for a mafia to take, since he doesn't have enough of a meta of thunderdoming wrongly as town to get away with it.

I'm sorely disappointed that this is the reasoning.

[robyn]

creature obv town

[tutuu]

Ok so @Seanzie I guess we would like you to clarify. Do you have mechanical information that indicate Mac and Jack are wolves?

no bro, don't you know that if I did I couldn't say it but hey it isn't the case anyway, so sit down and just drown in the fact that "Mac and Jack ate a shortstack of flapjacks in wolf chat" is a fact that I deduced by being a sleuth, reading the thread, using my head. No cards jarred these facts that I spread.

Are you able to elaborate on what lead you to that conclusion then pls

Why am I having a hard time seeing you as town this game?


It feels like you're here in body, but not spirit

THE W/W PAIN TRAIN IS STILL GOING BRO IT AINT STOPPING

Do these words make sense to you?

It feels as tho memes have just soaked your frontal lobe, and now it's nigh impossible for you to interact with the world in any way that doesn't resemble a Tik Tok

shutcho boomer ass gramps

[Seanzie]

creature obv town

I won't say obv town, but yes, I agree that creature is >rand!town here.

[tutuu]

Its pretty clear that we absolutely lost control over the game.
Sig's recasting of the Alison situation encapsulates that perfectly.
It all just looks mindless. Is Lucy/Mac/SPF not enough for you guys?
But. I dont actually know anyone who has the mileage besides tutuu to persuade how many ever town that actually boring established towncores of stronger players are good.

mah heart is pure, my brain is smooth, and my body is ready

[Creature]

Someone talk to me about Sig, if you want. I can't make you

They were one of the sketchiest votes on Alison and I kinda thought his D1 entrance was forced. Also it feels like his wolfread on me was pure OMGUS and was implying I was pushing him for being known LHF (when he's clearly not being LHF this game).

Why was I the sketchiest vote? This narrative makes no sense .


Can’t comment on forced D1 it’s how I always come in I was joking it’s whatever.

I am/was LHF and used to be frequently misvoted, this is a very odd take. Plus my name keeps getting brought up meaning I’m still in the mix/LHF this game

quoting that bad boss buy from pulp fiction: "I WANNA TAKE A FLAMETHROWER TO THIS PLACE"

[tutuu]

bereft ur daughter of omega right?

or, ur playin under alt so it dont matter i aint prodding. was just a random thhought

[falcon45ca]

Someone talk to me about Sig, if you want. I can't make you

They were one of the sketchiest votes on Alison and I kinda thought his D1 entrance was forced. Also it feels like his wolfread on me was pure OMGUS and was implying I was pushing him for being known LHF (when he's clearly not being LHF this game).

Why was I the sketchiest vote? This narrative makes no sense .


Can’t comment on forced D1 it’s how I always come in I was joking it’s whatever.

I am/was LHF and used to be frequently misvoted, this is a very odd take. Plus my name keeps getting brought up meaning I’m still in the mix/LHF this game

quoting that bad boss buy from pulp fiction: "I WANNA TAKE A FLAMETHROWER TO THIS PLACE"

Thats not what Marcellus Wallace says, oh my gawd.


He said he was gonna get a blowtorch and some pliers and some pipe hitting n@@$ and go medieval on hill billy boy, cuz he ain't through with him by a damn sight

[Creature]

bereft ur daughter of omega right?

or, ur playin under alt so it dont matter i aint prodding. was just a random thhought

Bereft being DaughterOfOmega would be spicy.

[tutuu]

Oh I see Porscha's around.

Has Porscha been towny enough?

HOW ARE U GUYS NOT SEEING THE W/W-NESS

THEY'RE EVERYWHERE THEY SPEAK TO ME

[Seanzie]

I have a readslist I'll post in a second that I wrote up before Neon's flip but I'll just post it anyway because not much has changed based on posting today. I'll ignore various softs and stuff and reiterate that night targets were randomized.

Like Sean is obviously softing something but Jack is a wolf for a lot of other reasons so like, fine. His comment on Mac eating villagers left and right is...interesting and it's technically not incorrect.

This game isn't really ideal for me because I make reads by interacting with people and I like to point out small details in posts and I can't really do that here; ideally I'd need like 500 posts in a 48-hour phase but oh well. The worldwide Mafia recession has hit everyone hard.

I know Baudib is dead, but I'd like to clarify. I'm NOT softing anything. Any and all reads regarding Jack and Mac are social.

[tutuu]

guys WINNABLE iss always WINNABLE (trust)

[Seanzie]

Oh I see Porscha's around.

Has Porscha been towny enough?

HOW ARE U GUYS NOT SEEING THE W/W-NESS

THEY'RE EVERYWHERE THEY SPEAK TO ME

Eh, I can see what I think you're seeing, but I don't see it as necessarily w/w. Porscha could be wolf though. Creature could to, but GTH I'd guess creature town, whereas I don't think the GTH would go so well for Porscha.

[tutuu]

Oh I see Porscha's around.

Has Porscha been towny enough?

HOW ARE U GUYS NOT SEEING THE W/W-NESS

THEY'RE EVERYWHERE THEY SPEAK TO ME

Eh, I can see what I think you're seeing, but I don't see it as necessarily w/w. Porscha could be wolf though. Creature could to, but GTH I'd guess creature town, whereas I don't think the GTH would go so well for Porscha.

porscha IS INCREDIBLY FUCKING OUTED AND IMMA OBLITERATE HER

[Seanzie]

Oh I see Porscha's around.

Has Porscha been towny enough?

HOW ARE U GUYS NOT SEEING THE W/W-NESS

THEY'RE EVERYWHERE THEY SPEAK TO ME

Eh, I can see what I think you're seeing, but I don't see it as necessarily w/w. Porscha could be wolf though. Creature could to, but GTH I'd guess creature town, whereas I don't think the GTH would go so well for Porscha.

porscha IS INCREDIBLY FUCKING OUTED AND IMMA OBLITERATE HER

Can you summarize like 2 reasons why? (sorry if you already did, I was a bit peeved about other things earlier, so I skimmed part of the day that didn't pertain to the things that I was most concerned with)

[tutuu]

5) no jack lynch today, that is final

Not even just one bite?

LMAO u funny son

[tutuu]

Oh I see Porscha's around.

Has Porscha been towny enough?

HOW ARE U GUYS NOT SEEING THE W/W-NESS

THEY'RE EVERYWHERE THEY SPEAK TO ME

Eh, I can see what I think you're seeing, but I don't see it as necessarily w/w. Porscha could be wolf though. Creature could to, but GTH I'd guess creature town, whereas I don't think the GTH would go so well for Porscha.

porscha IS INCREDIBLY FUCKING OUTED AND IMMA OBLITERATE HER

Can you summarize like 2 reasons why? (sorry if you already did, I was a bit peeved about other things earlier, so I skimmed part of the day that didn't pertain to the things that I was most concerned with)

i could, but hear this

would u rather a teeny tiny mellow silent fart

or a large fucking giant enormous post-mexican-food arse ripping earthquake inducing (7 on the scale of richter) shite flyin in all directions