Cartomancy [Game Over]

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

[Sabiplz]

This game is too high pace for my current time allotment for mafia.

I'm fine with dying

[MacDougall]

Tbh I doubt it cuz Bereft is probably deep enough without it if Tutuu goes over. It's actually unnecessary and possibly backfires. I think Bereft is just town.

[Bereft]

Sabi, plz.

[Sabiplz]

Sabi, plz.

What.

I don't have time and everyone expects me to have confidence and high energy when I just don't have that in general. No one wants to fairly engage with me because they keep using Kate posting for my slot so why do I need to do anything. I rather just roll over and save myself time and energy lol

[MacDougall]

Alison
6
40%
Voters: falcon45ca, Neon, Jackofhearts2005, tutuu, sig, Dennis

[Bereft]

Sabi, plz.

What.

I don't have time and everyone expects me to have confidence and high energy when I just don't have that in general. No one wants to fairly engage with me because they keep using Kate posting for my slot so why do I need to do anything. I rather just roll over and save myself time and energy lol

I understand but I also think that you could attempt to engage with other people more. I haven't really engaged with you because the reads you have shared didn't seem much of note to me. If you think this is a high bar I'm asking, then fine.

[Bereft]

Alison
6
40%
Voters: falcon45ca, Neon, Jackofhearts2005, tutuu, sig, Dennis

theres no way thats the wolfteam

omfg

lmao
lmao

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

I don't want to vote out fingersplints voters.

Of day 1 Alison voters Sig is the most likely hit.

Sig is not towny.

[Sabiplz]

Sabi, plz.

What.

I don't have time and everyone expects me to have confidence and high energy when I just don't have that in general. No one wants to fairly engage with me because they keep using Kate posting for my slot so why do I need to do anything. I rather just roll over and save myself time and energy lol

I understand but I also think that you could attempt to engage with other people more. I haven't really engaged with you because the reads you have shared didn't seem much of note to me. If you think this is a high bar I'm asking, then fine.

OK but I need people to ask me stuff and engage with me to force me to think about my pov. I can't thread camp and the only people who have tried to solve me (while I was in the game) by engaging me has been wiglz and jack. I have spf gaslighting me and falcon not engaging with me and Mac doing fuck all.

So. Yea just annoyed.

[MacDougall]

Mac doing fuck all says Sabi in the middle of Mac solving harder than anyone has the entire game.

[Sabiplz]

My reads aren't great because I have half read isos and came into a game on d3 so forgive me I don't have a wolf team to give me great summaries of the game to establish some well thought out reads to fake. This is me spit balling reads. Be fucking realistic with me

[MacDougall]

Sabi you are not my priority atm. You're not scummy imo. You're POE because of your predecessor. I imagine if you were mafia you'd have figured out a tactical way to inject yourself by now. You're far more likely just lost town than mafia to me but your slot is unfortunately not out of POE range for a fair amount of obvious reasons.

[Sabiplz]

Mac doing fuck all says Sabi in the middle of Mac solving harder than anyone has the entire game.

Mac doing fuck all to engage with me. Did you read the post. I'm saying people haven't solved me and just using Kate posts.

You are doing your wagonomics which is good but like I'm tLking about solving me ffs.

[Bereft]

I have thought for a while now that Sabi is town for Sabi reasons but I don't know how to put that read over in a way that's charitable.

[MacDougall]

The ... solve I am getting to looks less and less likely to have Tutuu in it hmmm.

I don't think Sig and Tutuu are partners. I also am not sure Wilgy and Tutuu make sense as partners.

Can Seanzie be this towny as mafia? Not Bereft?

Creature
Seanzie
Falcon
Sig
Dennis?

[MacDougall]

Mac doing fuck all says Sabi in the middle of Mac solving harder than anyone has the entire game.

Mac doing fuck all to engage with me. Did you read the post. I'm saying people haven't solved me and just using Kate posts.

You are doing your wagonomics which is good but like I'm tLking about solving me ffs.

Sabi is sooooo obvious town for this post holy shit.

[Sabiplz]

Voting sig aubergine (on my phone and don't feel like opening full editor)

Sheeping @MacDougall

[MacDougall]

The ... solve I am getting to looks less and less likely to have Tutuu in it hmmm.

I don't think Sig and Tutuu are partners. I also am not sure Wilgy and Tutuu make sense as partners.

Can Seanzie be this towny as mafia? Not Bereft?

Creature
Seanzie
Falcon
Sig
Dennis?

@Seanzie I am not sure there is a world where you and Falcon can both be town but you're townlocking him now? Earlier in the game you were questioning whether he was pocketing you by pushing me. Why are you townlocking him?

@falcon45ca talk me through your Seanzie read?

[Sabiplz]

I have thought for a while now that Sabi is town for Sabi reasons but I don't know how to put that read over in a way that's charitable.

Mac doing fuck all says Sabi in the middle of Mac solving harder than anyone has the entire game.

Mac doing fuck all to engage with me. Did you read the post. I'm saying people haven't solved me and just using Kate posts.

You are doing your wagonomics which is good but like I'm tLking about solving me ffs.

Sabi is sooooo obvious town for this post holy shit.

Need you both to explain this

[Bereft]

It would not be charitable of me to state that my view of your towngame especially of late now that you're semiretired is to just complain about not having time and make some basic reads and that go nowhere and then screech at everyone POE'ing you then do the thing where you don't care if you get voted off and all in all it is not pleasant. Hopefully you still can't figure out who I am.

My view of your wolfgame is clearly that it is not this, in particular, it is actually effective.

[MacDougall]

You as town obsess over analysing the game through how people engage with you and its obvious you are lost because that's not happening. As mafia you wouldn't have this experience imo. Also you are blatantly angry I'm ignoring trying to solve you and as mafia you'd be quite content with me not. Also you're now sus that I townread you the way I did. You're obviously town.

[Bereft]

Moreover, I think you were not lying when you said you had nobody to give you a recap.

[MacDougall]

Sig
Creature

pick one imo

[Sabiplz]

Oh. Welp.

I dunno what else to say. Fuck

[Sabiplz]

Sig
Creature

pick one imo

Can you explain the wolf case on sig.

From what I saw live, I didn't like his Eod3 with the whole timing Roxy flip. Idk.

[Seanzie]

The ... solve I am getting to looks less and less likely to have Tutuu in it hmmm.

I don't think Sig and Tutuu are partners. I also am not sure Wilgy and Tutuu make sense as partners.

Can Seanzie be this towny as mafia? Not Bereft?

Creature
Seanzie
Falcon
Sig
Dennis?

@Seanzie I am not sure there is a world where you and Falcon can both be town but you're townlocking him now? Earlier in the game you were questioning whether he was pocketing you by pushing me. Why are you townlocking him?

@falcon45ca talk me through your Seanzie read?

I have strongly townread Falcon almost all game. Doesn't mean I don't get paranoid at times though.

[MacDougall]

The ... solve I am getting to looks less and less likely to have Tutuu in it hmmm.

I don't think Sig and Tutuu are partners. I also am not sure Wilgy and Tutuu make sense as partners.

Can Seanzie be this towny as mafia? Not Bereft?

Creature
Seanzie
Falcon
Sig
Dennis?

@Seanzie I am not sure there is a world where you and Falcon can both be town but you're townlocking him now? Earlier in the game you were questioning whether he was pocketing you by pushing me. Why are you townlocking him?

@falcon45ca talk me through your Seanzie read?

I have strongly townread Falcon almost all game. Doesn't mean I don't get paranoid at times though.

Yes but why?

[Seanzie]

The ... solve I am getting to looks less and less likely to have Tutuu in it hmmm.

I don't think Sig and Tutuu are partners. I also am not sure Wilgy and Tutuu make sense as partners.

Can Seanzie be this towny as mafia? Not Bereft?

Creature
Seanzie
Falcon
Sig
Dennis?

@Seanzie I am not sure there is a world where you and Falcon can both be town but you're townlocking him now? Earlier in the game you were questioning whether he was pocketing you by pushing me. Why are you townlocking him?

@falcon45ca talk me through your Seanzie read?

I have strongly townread Falcon almost all game. Doesn't mean I don't get paranoid at times though.

Yes but why?

He's usually an easy read. He doesn't like lying and usually isn't great at it. As wolf he comes off as unconfortable. He doesn't feel that way here.

You said if I'm wolf I'm having my best wolfgame. I feel the same about Falcon.

[MacDougall]

Sig
Creature

pick one imo

Can you explain the wolf case on sig.

From what I saw live, I didn't like his Eod3 with the whole timing Roxy flip. Idk.

I haven't really come up with any specific. I just think through process of elimination, wagonomics and general production/appearance he's the least likely town player atm alongside Creature.

Creature I kinda have a more relevant read on in the sense that I think Creature's curve has been starting townier and getting slowly scummier which is like the complete inverse of his usual town curve. He doesn't have Creature tinfoil. Is tolerant of being pushed in a weird way. Keeps making shotgun votes and reads. Its like as mafia he just doesn't have the energy or care factor to try to look town.

[MacDougall]

@Sabiplz do you think Tutuu's townlock of you is a real read?

[staypositivefriend]

@staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature

unlikely, particularly because I find wilgys output over the last few hours possibly town indicative

[staypositivefriend]

I'm waiting for a concert to start rn if anyone wants to chat with me about anything

[staypositivefriend]

I'm struggling to come up with a team formation that does not include creature, I think he is the most easily compatible with the rest of the people in my POE compared to everyone else

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think in Tutuu town worlds Bereft always mafia.
In Tutuu maf worlds we only lose to a Bereft distancing play?

@staypositivefriend @Jackofhearts2005 what are your feelings towards the idea Tutuu might be trying to spew Bereft town?

Probably not but I guess it’s a possibility.

[staypositivefriend]

Mac are u confident about jack being town?

[Bereft]

I unironically still think my posts from #2057 to #2060 on the subject of sig still hold merit. And I think it would be bad to suggest that Sig couldn't have been TMI'ing Roxy yesterday as wolf because he'd look bad for it. That's literally exactly how some wolves behave, make a stink about how they're being ignored even while they push the correct reads but not actually making much of an impact at all.

[Sabiplz]

@Sabiplz do you think Tutuu's townlock of you is a real read?

Not really no (when it comes to reading my posts) since at the time I wasn't doing AI stuff and tutuu doesn't know my current meta to make a read like that.

Were they town locking Kate before ei subbed in?

[Jackofhearts2005]

The ... solve I am getting to looks less and less likely to have Tutuu in it hmmm.

I don't think Sig and Tutuu are partners. I also am not sure Wilgy and Tutuu make sense as partners.

Can Seanzie be this towny as mafia? Not Bereft?

Creature
Seanzie
Falcon
Sig
Dennis?

It’s super annoying for you to come in with my exact solve, town other up and then talk yourself out of it without really showing your work in a way I can follow.

Maybe it’s necessary. It would just be better if you agreed with me on everything or could guide me to your changed reads or if you were just obvious mafia trying to save teammates.

Unrelated but we should take note: one of our wolves won’t be yeeted upon being voted out. So today is essentially lylo unless we happen to yeet in perfect order.

[Bereft]

Oh so that's why the wolves have been running interference all day.
So you're saying its beneficial for the wolves to get the Zealot run up with votes at the end of the day, correct?

[Jackofhearts2005]

It would not be charitable of me to state that my view of your towngame especially of late now that you're semiretired is to just complain about not having time and make some basic reads and that go nowhere and then screech at everyone POE'ing you then do the thing where you don't care if you get voted off and all in all it is not pleasant. Hopefully you still can't figure out who I am.

My view of your wolfgame is clearly that it is not this, in particular, it is actually effective.

[MacDougall]

Mac are u confident about jack being town?

Yeah his current view of the gamestate being what it is is a strong mindmeld. Especially given he's clearly not pocketing me while having it so it's legitimate town mindset.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I could swap Sabi for idk Porscha. I’m scum reading Sabi off that one post alone. Wilgy could also potentially be town.

I don’t think there’s a world with town Tutuu or town Creature. I’m very concerned that one is just the zealot and we’ll have a shit time after getting essentially no yeet today. But there’s nothing we can do about that possibility.

[MacDougall]

Oh so that's why the wolves have been running interference all day.
So you're saying its beneficial for the wolves to get the Zealot run up with votes at the end of the day, correct?

This might explain why I feel the way I feel about Tutuu and why my POE that she seemed to be captain of suddenly have started voting her without any clarification as to why.

[MacDougall]

I could swap Sabi for idk Porscha. I’m scum reading Sabi off that one post alone. Wilgy could also potentially be town.

I don’t think there’s a world with town Tutuu or town Creature. I’m very concerned that one is just the zealot and we’ll have a shit time after getting essentially no yeet today. But there’s nothing we can do about that possibility.

Yeah there is. If there's a Zealot it's only Creature or Tutuu so vote out sig.

[Seanzie]

I could swap Sabi for idk Porscha. I’m scum reading Sabi off that one post alone. Wilgy could also potentially be town.

I don’t think there’s a world with town Tutuu or town Creature. I’m very concerned that one is just the zealot and we’ll have a shit time after getting essentially no yeet today. But there’s nothing we can do about that possibility.

Yeah there is. If there's a Zealot it's only Creature or Tutuu so vote out sig.

I very strongly think Creature is not the zealot. I'd bet my life on it.

[Sabiplz]

Where us lucy

[Sabiplz]

I could swap Sabi for idk Porscha. I’m scum reading Sabi off that one post alone. Wilgy could also potentially be town.

I don’t think there’s a world with town Tutuu or town Creature. I’m very concerned that one is just the zealot and we’ll have a shit time after getting essentially no yeet today. But there’s nothing we can do about that possibility.

Yeah there is. If there's a Zealot it's only Creature or Tutuu so vote out sig.

I very strongly think Creature is not the zealot. I'd bet my life on it.

Why

[Porscha]

@Seanzie @Creature talk to be about SPF

If there aren't at least two wolves in SPF/Mac/Bereft, the game makes no sense.

What makes this list possible?

I think that there's one wolf between them, but I'd be very surprised to see 2 in these 3.

I don't see the game going the way it has if that group is mostly town.

how do you see the game going then?

I have talked in length about this, and it is not a good idea to rehash it for threadhealth. My eye is on you. This is the second time I've gotten weird feels from you trying to interact with me.

I was obviously in catch up so you can get mad about me not reading ahead all you want but it's pointless

Anyway I had a mortuary event today not in the mood to play atm I'll be around later tonight

[Seanzie]

I could swap Sabi for idk Porscha. I’m scum reading Sabi off that one post alone. Wilgy could also potentially be town.

I don’t think there’s a world with town Tutuu or town Creature. I’m very concerned that one is just the zealot and we’ll have a shit time after getting essentially no yeet today. But there’s nothing we can do about that possibility.

Yeah there is. If there's a Zealot it's only Creature or Tutuu so vote out sig.

I very strongly think Creature is not the zealot. I'd bet my life on it.

Why

I have my reasons.