Holes Mafia {TOWN WINS}

[MacDougall]

Interdasting

[Sabiplz]

Why'd you opt to vote Mac, Sabi?

Because you kinda read my. Kind about Mac behavior and a skuch as I wanted to vote dennis, dennis wagon is sus

Did you just call Mac a skuch?

As much as **

Ugh I just can't type atm

[Marmot]

What does town Sabi do?

[DrWilgy]

What's goin on in here?

Yes

Oic

[MacDougall]

Well sabi is mafia with Dennis gg.

[Sabiplz]

All aboard vote sabi out train Choo Choo.

Let me spew everyone as town

[MacDougall]

What's goin on in here?

Yes

Oic

can confirm

[Marmot]

Why'd you opt to vote Mac, Sabi?

Because you kinda read my. Kind about Mac behavior and a skuch as I wanted to vote dennis, dennis wagon is sus

Did you just call Mac a skuch?

As much as **

Ugh I just can't type atm

That's fine!

Could you post that post again? I actually can't tell what you were trying to say.

[MacDougall]

All aboard vote sabi out train Choo Choo.

Let me spew everyone as town

[DrWilgy]

Seanzie I just feel like you feel off because there's a distinct lack of town Seanzie solving from your iso.

Pyxxy, I have only seen wolf once (it was his first wolf rand). I dunno if I can compare that to this. So I'm not sure I'm much help on that.

Splints, I could maybe see.

I didn't vote Wilgz because he didn't seem like he was in pain in the thread.

Falcon I voted because while he is polarized there was a lack of game relate d posting from him that pinged me. Also I was tipsy and busy so I went with. Gut. Pick.

Sabi, you wolfing?

Sabi wolfing doesn't do reads like that

@Marmot

My gut reaction to these were "could be emulating a real read, could be excusing oneself from a read and TMI" tbh

[Marmot]

All aboard vote sabi out train Choo Choo.

Let me spew everyone as town

Do you think you're going to be voted out today?

[MacDougall]

@Sabiplz do you think Dennis has been townie?

What's your Neon read?

[Sabiplz]

All aboard vote sabi out train Choo Choo.

Let me spew everyone as town

Do you think you're going to be voted out today?

Yes because everyone is sussing me mostly as backlash from last game when I'm quite clearly out of wolf range

[Sabiplz]

@Sabiplz do you think Dennis has been townie?

What's your Neon read?

No I don't think he's townie like LGM but his wagon seems bad.

Neon, null. I can't read her esp after welcome back.

[MacDougall]

Why Mac is a wolf:

His progression today is weird. He's a wolf who expects he'll be killed for being Mac, and voted Dennis just to try to make sure a townie to go over before him. He called Neon a wolf, then almost immediately voted the same person she did, also voting the person he expressed no read


Why Mac is town:

His progression was weird, but he just was too lazy to be verbose about it. His Sabi read is actually really solid (Sabi's response was actually kinda defensive and scummy). His "I don't wanna solve the game" post was real.

I don't think you've actually read posts

[MacDougall]

sabi is wolfing af

:really:

Sir point out in my iso where I'm wolfing.

Why do you find me towny when I'm wolf ffs

let's be honest I've not read your iso

I just thought your townread on Lucy was a bit pockety as was your Dennis treatment and you are in a likely narrow pool due to the day 1 vote.

@Dennis just forget it lol

How'd you know about their Day 1 vote if you didn't read their ISO?

The eod wagon is not in sabi's iso

[DrWilgy]

All aboard vote sabi out train Choo Choo.

Let me spew everyone as town

Do you think you're going to be voted out today?

Yes because everyone is sussing me mostly as backlash from last game when I'm quite clearly out of wolf range

I don't think I'm sussing you for Cartomancy at all.

Mostly you weren't here d1, alot of the more talkative players I tr, and as I'm catching up I see a wonky take.

Can you help me understand or update me on those takes I pointed out?

[Marmot]

All aboard vote sabi out train Choo Choo.

Let me spew everyone as town

Do you think you're going to be voted out today?

Yes because everyone is sussing me mostly as backlash from last game when I'm quite clearly out of wolf range

I'm trying to pry into your mindset to figure out if you're actually town or not.

I agree that your play this game doesn't look like last game, but I didn't mention last game. I believe you brought that up (unless someone else also did). I only mentioned a post that I thought made more sense coming from w!Sabi than v!Sabi. I even admitted it might be a bad read.

[MacDougall]

@Dennis can you give me your top 2 town please?

[Sabiplz]

Like Dennis reaction to my sus is weird because he targeted me only and not everyone else that piggy back the read which I find kinda scummy behavior because it seems he's trying to make me seem incompetent

[Dennis]

@Dennis can you give me your top 2 town please?

Pyxxy and Marmot

Honorable mentions to Wilgy

[Marmot]

Why Mac is a wolf:

His progression today is weird. He's a wolf who expects he'll be killed for being Mac, and voted Dennis just to try to make sure a townie to go over before him. He called Neon a wolf, then almost immediately voted the same person she did, also voting the person he expressed no read


Why Mac is town:

His progression was weird, but he just was too lazy to be verbose about it. His Sabi read is actually really solid (Sabi's response was actually kinda defensive and scummy). His "I don't wanna solve the game" post was real.

I don't think you've actually read posts

Why do you say that?


Dennis sheep me
Sabi wolf
I'm Mac uwu
marmot/fs wolf
Neon wolf
I don't wanna solve
burnout
Sabi tmi
Dennis wolf


^^ The above progression is not easy to follow, and largely accurate of the progression I'm talking about from you.

[Sabiplz]

Like Dennis reaction to my sus is weird because he targeted me only and not everyone else that piggy back the read which I find kinda scummy behavior because it seems he's trying to make me seem incompetent

Dennis learned from gaslight gatekeeper girl boss

[MacDougall]

Why Mac is a wolf:

His progression today is weird. He's a wolf who expects he'll be killed for being Mac, and voted Dennis just to try to make sure a townie to go over before him. He called Neon a wolf, then almost immediately voted the same person she did, also voting the person he expressed no read


Why Mac is town:

His progression was weird, but he just was too lazy to be verbose about it. His Sabi read is actually really solid (Sabi's response was actually kinda defensive and scummy). His "I don't wanna solve the game" post was real.

I don't think you've actually read posts

Why do you say that?


Dennis sheep me
Sabi wolf
I'm Mac uwu
marmot/fs wolf
Neon wolf
I don't wanna solve
burnout
Sabi tmi
Dennis wolf


^^ The above progression is not easy to follow, and largely accurate of the progression I'm talking about from you.

"Also voting the person he expressed no read" is not an accurate statement.

Your summary of my progression prior to this elaborate was much more vague.

[MacDougall]

Like Dennis reaction to my sus is weird because he targeted me only and not everyone else that piggy back the read which I find kinda scummy behavior because it seems he's trying to make me seem incompetent

Dennis learned from gaslight gatekeeper girl boss

You aren't allowed to keep distancing him now sabi you already voted me.

[Dennis]

Like Dennis reaction to my sus is weird because he targeted me only and not everyone else that piggy back the read which I find kinda scummy behavior because it seems he's trying to make me seem incompetent

No I'm pretty sure Mac is a wolf but I really didn't feel like getting into another argument so I didn't want to say it until now

Neon is confusing me a ton as well, esp with how she's posting

Lucy is town with burnout after having oracle in cartomancy imo

[MacDougall]

I do think Marmot is town but why Pyxxy @Dennis ?

[Marmot]

Why Mac is a wolf:

His progression today is weird. He's a wolf who expects he'll be killed for being Mac, and voted Dennis just to try to make sure a townie to go over before him. He called Neon a wolf, then almost immediately voted the same person she did, also voting the person he expressed no read


Why Mac is town:

His progression was weird, but he just was too lazy to be verbose about it. His Sabi read is actually really solid (Sabi's response was actually kinda defensive and scummy). His "I don't wanna solve the game" post was real.

I don't think you've actually read posts

Why do you say that?


Dennis sheep me
Sabi wolf
I'm Mac uwu
marmot/fs wolf
Neon wolf
I don't wanna solve
burnout
Sabi tmi
Dennis wolf


^^ The above progression is not easy to follow, and largely accurate of the progression I'm talking about from you.

"Also voting the person he expressed no read" is not an accurate statement.

Your summary of my progression prior to this elaborate was much more vague.

Ahhh.

I was going back through your posts mutiple times while making that write-up, and I think I missed the Dennis suspicion in your first one. My apologies.

[MacDougall]

Like Dennis reaction to my sus is weird because he targeted me only and not everyone else that piggy back the read which I find kinda scummy behavior because it seems he's trying to make me seem incompetent

No I'm pretty sure Mac is a wolf but I really didn't feel like getting into another argument so I didn't want to say it until now

Neon is confusing me a ton as well, esp with how she's posting

Lucy is town with burnout after having oracle in cartomancy imo

Try again.

[Marmot]

*I missed the Dennis suspicion in the first writeup I did about you, the argument for w!Mac.

[Marmot]

I don't think Dennis is right about Mac, but I do think that post is kinda townie from him.

[Dennis]

I do think Marmot is town but why Pyxxy @Dennis ?

Pyxxy has been doing the most solving imo, they interact with people and get answers and blah blah a bunch of other nonsense that boils down to mostly gut with nothing really of note

[Marmot]

Him hanging onto a Mac read and admitting it later in the day than he might've had it seems like a townie thing to do, and I'm not sure w!Dennis would have the insight to do that as a wolf in his 4th game.

[Dennis]

Like Dennis reaction to my sus is weird because he targeted me only and not everyone else that piggy back the read which I find kinda scummy behavior because it seems he's trying to make me seem incompetent

No I'm pretty sure Mac is a wolf but I really didn't feel like getting into another argument so I didn't want to say it until now

Neon is confusing me a ton as well, esp with how she's posting

Lucy is town with burnout after having oracle in cartomancy imo

Try again.

No

[MacDougall]

I don't think Dennis is right about Mac, but I do think that post is kinda townie from him.

The Lucy part is a pretty weird read for a non partnered wolf to make and I doubt Lucy is a wolf voting teammate Dennis so yeh.

[MacDougall]

Is now a good time to point out i was drunkposting last night?

[Dennis]

Is now a good time to point out i was drunkposting last night?

God you have GOT to be kidding me

[DrWilgy]

I think Wilgy is town. He would have voted Falcon otherwise. So his wagon probably has 1 mafia on it.

There's a maf in the Falcon voters probably.

Other one is off wagon.

Actually kinda how I was feeling just looking at the wagon structure over night and my general thoughts on the game though I usually like to wait a couple days before focusing in on that.

I think I'd agree if we weren't missing votes/engagements.

Wilgy wagon:
Marmot could be wolfin. The early rando drop on me would be an easy enough way to smokescreen.

Oddly enough, I think I townlean Dennis for the 'mistake vote on me' after Cartomancy, I don't think W!Dennis makes that mistake and then admits to the mistake. Given the context of them being busy as well, it makes sense.

Pyxxy could be wolfin, but I think I'm doubting. It felt that they had very little hunting and alot of mechanic poop early. The more recent posts this cycle seems very similar to their NPC game though. the NPC game at least would be indicative of how they play without data.

Falcon wagon:
Sabi got a birthday pass, but needs to start solving this cycle. I think should've known better about a d1 Falcon yeet.

Splints is just a wolf IMO. Voted Falcon when that wasn't a good vote, invalidated mechanical discourse, gave an excuse to falcon flipping green before it was done.

Falcon was town, so I can’t argue that it was a good vote, but my reasons were genuine. I’ve wrongfully suspected him a lot in the past to the point where he is one of the first people I read so that I can look for town signs in him, and I thought that I had figured some out but I wasn’t seeing them this game. Regardless of whatever happens this game, that will be what I am most disappointed in because I thought I could finally read him but obviously still can’t

How did i “invalidate mechanical discourse”? You can check literally every single game I play and it is never something I discuss much but I don’t have a problem when others do. To reiterate as I said, the only time I could see it being a problem is if that’s only what someone wants to talk about as wolves can use mech discussion to look like they are participating more than they are. I haven’t seen that here so it’s a moot point

I don’t think I have an excuse to him flipping green. Only I thought that his flip would generate a lot of discussion, which it has. A lot of people mentioned falcon either way so it gives a discussion point. Better than say your vote for me which also would have had the same result, but would have less connections to make.

Aye, the problem comes when you excuse yourself from discourse and instead of looking for baddies hiding in mech discussion, you just dissuade it. It makes the post in of itself just feel like meaningless wordities.

I don't agree with that considering we had missing votes. We got a dead Falcon and maybe one on his wagon was wolf of we really want to think wagonomics. Wagonomics in an afk gamestate doesn't work though.

[DrWilgy]

I think Wilgy is town. He would have voted Falcon otherwise. So his wagon probably has 1 mafia on it.

There's a maf in the Falcon voters probably.

Other one is off wagon.

Actually kinda how I was feeling just looking at the wagon structure over night and my general thoughts on the game though I usually like to wait a couple days before focusing in on that.

I think I'd agree if we weren't missing votes/engagements.

Wilgy wagon:
Marmot could be wolfin. The early rando drop on me would be an easy enough way to smokescreen.

Oddly enough, I think I townlean Dennis for the 'mistake vote on me' after Cartomancy, I don't think W!Dennis makes that mistake and then admits to the mistake. Given the context of them being busy as well, it makes sense.

Pyxxy could be wolfin, but I think I'm doubting. It felt that they had very little hunting and alot of mechanic poop early. The more recent posts this cycle seems very similar to their NPC game though. the NPC game at least would be indicative of how they play without data.

Falcon wagon:
Sabi got a birthday pass, but needs to start solving this cycle. I think should've known better about a d1 Falcon yeet.

Splints is just a wolf IMO. Voted Falcon when that wasn't a good vote, invalidated mechanical discourse, gave an excuse to falcon flipping green before it was done.

You sound like a man with reads

Dad let me out of the pocket

[MacDougall]

I do think Marmot is town but why Pyxxy @Dennis ?

Pyxxy has been doing the most solving imo, they interact with people and get answers and blah blah a bunch of other nonsense that boils down to mostly gut with nothing really of note

ngl that description probably means they're mafia lol.

You see there's this thing wolves do which is TRY to be town which most town don't do... case in point lol

[Marmot]

Mac this game does remind me of Mac from League Mafia Game 3 where he was a wolf, but for vague reasons I can't articulate, so I'll just sleep on that read for now.

[Marmot]

Is now a good time to point out i was drunkposting last night?

You should've told me, I would have drunkposted too!!!

(except that was this morning for me so actually no I wouldn't lol)

[MacDougall]

Mac this game does remind me of Mac from League Mafia Game 3 where he was a wolf, but for vague reasons I can't articulate, so I'll just sleep on that read for now.

Really?

[MacDougall]

I think Wilgy is town. He would have voted Falcon otherwise. So his wagon probably has 1 mafia on it.

There's a maf in the Falcon voters probably.

Other one is off wagon.

Actually kinda how I was feeling just looking at the wagon structure over night and my general thoughts on the game though I usually like to wait a couple days before focusing in on that.

I think I'd agree if we weren't missing votes/engagements.

Wilgy wagon:
Marmot could be wolfin. The early rando drop on me would be an easy enough way to smokescreen.

Oddly enough, I think I townlean Dennis for the 'mistake vote on me' after Cartomancy, I don't think W!Dennis makes that mistake and then admits to the mistake. Given the context of them being busy as well, it makes sense.

Pyxxy could be wolfin, but I think I'm doubting. It felt that they had very little hunting and alot of mechanic poop early. The more recent posts this cycle seems very similar to their NPC game though. the NPC game at least would be indicative of how they play without data.

Falcon wagon:
Sabi got a birthday pass, but needs to start solving this cycle. I think should've known better about a d1 Falcon yeet.

Splints is just a wolf IMO. Voted Falcon when that wasn't a good vote, invalidated mechanical discourse, gave an excuse to falcon flipping green before it was done.

You sound like a man with reads

Dad let me out of the pocket

not until your older son

[Marmot]

Mac this game does remind me of Mac from League Mafia Game 3 where he was a wolf, but for vague reasons I can't articulate, so I'll just sleep on that read for now.

Really?

Idk, ask me again tomorrow.

You seem pro-town and pro-marmot in a way that I vaguely remember you being in that game.

But it does feel like paranoia more than anything else, and that's not a good reason to act on a read imo.

[Dennis]

I do think Marmot is town but why Pyxxy @Dennis ?

Pyxxy has been doing the most solving imo, they interact with people and get answers and blah blah a bunch of other nonsense that boils down to mostly gut with nothing really of note

ngl that description probably means they're mafia lol.

You see there's this thing wolves do which is TRY to be town which most town don't do... case in point lol

Hmmmmm is this you trying to change my mind on a townie or is this you trying to help me along in the event we are both town.

I get what you mean but I still don't like the logic "If they look good, they are probably bad"

[Marmot]

We should all sheep Wilgy and vote fingersplints.

[Dennis]

Why on earth would we do that

[Marmot]

Splints is just a wolf IMO. Voted Falcon when that wasn't a good vote, invalidated mechanical discourse, gave an excuse to falcon flipping green before it was done.

I like this read from him.

[DrWilgy]

Page 14 so far.

Splints is still on my radar.

Pyxxy looks better.

Sabi looks better.

Dennis is starting to pull a lot of wolf weight that we may just need to resolve.