Holes Mafia {TOWN WINS}

[Marmot]

I do feel more confident in v!Sabi now though

- They voted for Mac yesterday. I dooo think that Mac would want to be bussed, because as Sabi knows, that's what he asked for the last time those two were wolves.
- They're making pointed reads, which they claim to not do as wolf. I did go back and read Misplay Mafia a little bit yesterday, and I do think this behavior is different than that.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Dig C1

***SIPPPPPPPPP***

You haven't mentioned me this entire game, can you talk about this vote?

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Dig C6


Never mind, this is a cross.

[Marmot]

I know Neon has this snapvoting meta, but I don't think she actually thinks I'm a wolf here, and was only voting for me because of the thread temperature at SOD.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Dig C6


Never mind, this is a cross.

How is it a cross?

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Dig C6


Never mind, this is a cross.

How is it a cross?

I was more referring to "I am cross-voting with Neon" not that everyone else has to.

[Marmot]

Sabi said that I had to, though I didn't actually have to, but then I thought about it, and chose to.

[Marmot]

Neon waited until 20 minutes into the day to vote for me, Sean and Sabi had both voiced a desire to push me before this happened.

I think Neon voted me because she saw that there was other pressure in the thread against me, and took advantage of that opportunity, as well as her propensity to snapvote.


She hadn't mentioned me at all. She event mentioned that Sean was sus in #1115. This vote doesn't really match her mindset going into the day.

[Marmot]

Where did everybody go?

[robyn]

i'm never voting marmot here but i don't think neon is mafia

[DrWilgy]

Does Mac vote alongside teammate Neon?

Does Mac gifpost thanos to a teammate?

I don't have answers to these, but maybe others do.

Neon read: last cycle felt more objective oriented which is what I expect of W!Neon. Finding the agenda Neon plays to is how you catch that slot.

[DrWilgy]

i'm never voting marmot here but i don't think neon is mafia

What gives you this Neon read?

Have I asked you already?

[robyn]

i'm never voting marmot here but i don't think neon is mafia

What gives you this Neon read?

Have I asked you already?

neon is very opportunistic as mafia, i just don't think she votes first 2 straight days as mafia

marmot's case is good but i don't think she's mafia, i don't believe this strongly enough to actually say "don't lynch neon" though

and i don't have a good read on marmot rn but he shouldn't die today

[Marmot]

I... honestly don't think Mac is a hit here.

I think Dennis and FS are always better options.

I think that I can't personally view FS for a myriad of reasons chief amongst them not being allowed to move lol

uwu.

But seriously I don't think I've ever seen wolf Mac play like this. He was disjointed in his reads in Mafia Misplay but he was aggressive and loud and trying to get Sabi deep.

Here he feels lost confused and disjointed. He feels low WiM but not wolfy.

I want to help Mac get his WiM back because I was kind of following along with his wagon structure posts and I know how stronk he can be and I think misexeing low WiM Mac d2 is game losing.

These are also the longest on-topic posts that Neon made on Day 2, and they were spent defending a chop of Mac.

I get being wrong and all, I was too. But she didn't put this amount of effort talking about Dennis (the counter wagon) or any other player.

[Seanzie]

i'm never voting marmot here but i don't think neon is mafia

Why on Neon?

[Sabiplz]

Well done on Mac.

Sabi, did you just throw out those or does that come from any data related to Mac?

What do you mean

You said your scumreads are
Me
Lucy
Marmot
Neon

Minor on Pyxxy.

That's everyone except Seanzie. Do you just generally think the entire thread is scummy? Was there anything in specific related to Mac that caused this? Why is Pyxxy separate?

Those are everyone that didn't vote Mac.

Pyxxy is tinfoil of him maybe bussing

[Seanzie]

i'm never voting marmot here but i don't think neon is mafia

Why on Neon?

nvm I see you addressed this already.

[DrWilgy]

i'm never voting marmot here but i don't think neon is mafia

What gives you this Neon read?

Have I asked you already?

neon is very opportunistic as mafia, i just don't think she votes first 2 straight days as mafia

marmot's case is good but i don't think she's mafia, i don't believe this strongly enough to actually say "don't lynch neon" though

and i don't have a good read on marmot rn but he shouldn't die today

I agree with this tbh.

I don't think objective oriented Neon gives away their vote weight so early.

I... honestly don't think Mac is a hit here.

I think Dennis and FS are always better options.

I think that I can't personally view FS for a myriad of reasons chief amongst them not being allowed to move lol

uwu.

But seriously I don't think I've ever seen wolf Mac play like this. He was disjointed in his reads in Mafia Misplay but he was aggressive and loud and trying to get Sabi deep.

Here he feels lost confused and disjointed. He feels low WiM but not wolfy.

I want to help Mac get his WiM back because I was kind of following along with his wagon structure posts and I know how stronk he can be and I think misexeing low WiM Mac d2 is game losing.

These are also the longest on-topic posts that Neon made on Day 2, and they were spent defending a chop of Mac.

I get being wrong and all, I was too. But she didn't put this amount of effort talking about Dennis (the counter wagon) or any other player.

BUT I also agree with this lol.

The vote weight objective could be 'absolve responsibility by voting early' and the team objective 'argue for Mac's sake'?

[robyn]

is discord down for anyone else

[Marmot]

I think pyxxy is the towniest player atm, because he was in a position to easily vote Dennis and save Mac for another day (and possibly send the game to LYLO), but he opted to tie and get Mac killed. It's just too pro-town to be a wolf play imo.

Also, even if Mac died in LYLO, I think w!pyxxy would've been fine.

[DrWilgy]

is discord down for anyone else

Not for me.

[Marmot]

is discord down for anyone else

Sorry you can't post in wolfchat. :curtain:

[Marmot]

Mine's down too.

[Sabiplz]

I think pyxxy is the towniest player atm, because he was in a position to easily vote Dennis and save Mac for another day (and possibly send the game to LYLO), but he opted to tie and get Mac killed. It's just too pro-town to be a wolf play imo.

Also, even if Mac died in LYLO, I think w!pyxxy would've been fine.

W!pyxxy has bussed when it wasn't favorable to winning the game earlier in his only wolf rand

That's why I have tinfoil

[Marmot]

I think pyxxy is the towniest player atm, because he was in a position to easily vote Dennis and save Mac for another day (and possibly send the game to LYLO), but he opted to tie and get Mac killed. It's just too pro-town to be a wolf play imo.

Also, even if Mac died in LYLO, I think w!pyxxy would've been fine.

W!pyxxy has bussed when it wasn't favorable to winning the game earlier in his only wolf rand

That's why I have tinfoil

Do you know who his partners were at the time, and do you think Mac would've let him vote for the save?

[Sabiplz]

*spiritual vote DrWilgy *

Be towny or die wolf

[Marmot]

(not that Mac controls everything everyone does, but I know he has opinions and he's willing to voice them)

[Sabiplz]

I think pyxxy is the towniest player atm, because he was in a position to easily vote Dennis and save Mac for another day (and possibly send the game to LYLO), but he opted to tie and get Mac killed. It's just too pro-town to be a wolf play imo.

Also, even if Mac died in LYLO, I think w!pyxxy would've been fine.

W!pyxxy has bussed when it wasn't favorable to winning the game earlier in his only wolf rand

That's why I have tinfoil

Do you know who his partners were at the time, and do you think Mac would've let him vote for the save?

I was dead in spec chat when it happened

[robyn]

(not that Mac controls everything everyone does, but I know he has opinions and he's willing to voice them)

mac would've been on top of that discussion

[Sabiplz]

Mac is a micro manager in wolf chat. More than I am

[Marmot]

I'm at a POE of Neon, Sean, and Wilgy atm.

I think the following are town

pyxxy - voted to kill Mac, and was already pretty townie yesterday
Sabi - far enough away from their wolf range that I don't think they're a wolf
lucy - tonally townie posts yesterday



Wilgy has had townie moments, but I agree with Sabi that his tone today is a little awkward and he seems like he's tiptoeing.

[Sabiplz]

I do feel more confident in v!Sabi now though

- They voted for Mac yesterday. I dooo think that Mac would want to be bussed, because as Sabi knows, that's what he asked for the last time those two were wolves.
- They're making pointed reads, which they claim to not do as wolf. I did go back and read Misplay Mafia a little bit yesterday, and I do think this behavior is different than that.

HOW ARE YOU NOT THE MOST CONFIDENT IN ME ATP MARMOT

[Sabiplz]

I'm at a POE of Neon, Sean, and Wilgy atm.

I think the following are town

pyxxy - voted to kill Mac, and was already pretty townie yesterday
Sabi - far enough away from their wolf range that I don't think they're a wolf
lucy - tonally townie posts yesterday



Wilgy has had townie moments, but I agree with Sabi that his tone today is a little awkward and he seems like he's tiptoeing.

Why Sean

[Marmot]

I do feel more confident in v!Sabi now though

- They voted for Mac yesterday. I dooo think that Mac would want to be bussed, because as Sabi knows, that's what he asked for the last time those two were wolves.
- They're making pointed reads, which they claim to not do as wolf. I did go back and read Misplay Mafia a little bit yesterday, and I do think this behavior is different than that.

HOW ARE YOU NOT THE MOST CONFIDENT IN ME ATP MARMOT

Because logically, pyxxy's vote for Mac is the towniest action in this game done by a living player.

[Sabiplz]

I do feel more confident in v!Sabi now though

- They voted for Mac yesterday. I dooo think that Mac would want to be bussed, because as Sabi knows, that's what he asked for the last time those two were wolves.
- They're making pointed reads, which they claim to not do as wolf. I did go back and read Misplay Mafia a little bit yesterday, and I do think this behavior is different than that.

HOW ARE YOU NOT THE MOST CONFIDENT IN ME ATP MARMOT

Because logically, pyxxy's vote for Mac is the towniest action in this game done by a living player.

I started the wagon

[Sabiplz]

Wolves should have killed me

[DrWilgy]

I'm at a POE of Neon, Sean, and Wilgy atm.

I think the following are town

pyxxy - voted to kill Mac, and was already pretty townie yesterday
Sabi - far enough away from their wolf range that I don't think they're a wolf
lucy - tonally townie posts yesterday



Wilgy has had townie moments, but I agree with Sabi that his tone today is a little awkward and he seems like he's tiptoeing.

I mean, you are accurate in your analysis.

I haven't really read the page of EoD. Only here playing in the now at Sabi's request. I'll go through Mac later.

[Marmot]

I'm at a POE of Neon, Sean, and Wilgy atm.

I think the following are town

pyxxy - voted to kill Mac, and was already pretty townie yesterday
Sabi - far enough away from their wolf range that I don't think they're a wolf
lucy - tonally townie posts yesterday



Wilgy has had townie moments, but I agree with Sabi that his tone today is a little awkward and he seems like he's tiptoeing.

Why Sean

His pokes have no bite to them.

[Marmot]

I do feel more confident in v!Sabi now though

- They voted for Mac yesterday. I dooo think that Mac would want to be bussed, because as Sabi knows, that's what he asked for the last time those two were wolves.
- They're making pointed reads, which they claim to not do as wolf. I did go back and read Misplay Mafia a little bit yesterday, and I do think this behavior is different than that.

HOW ARE YOU NOT THE MOST CONFIDENT IN ME ATP MARMOT

Because logically, pyxxy's vote for Mac is the towniest action in this game done by a living player.

I started the wagon

You did!!!

[Sabiplz]

I'm at a POE of Neon, Sean, and Wilgy atm.

I think the following are town

pyxxy - voted to kill Mac, and was already pretty townie yesterday
Sabi - far enough away from their wolf range that I don't think they're a wolf
lucy - tonally townie posts yesterday



Wilgy has had townie moments, but I agree with Sabi that his tone today is a little awkward and he seems like he's tiptoeing.

Why Sean

His pokes have no bite to them.

When do they ever have bite?

No offense Sean

[Marmot]

What are other people's reads on Sean?

[Sabiplz]

What are other people's reads on Sean?

Most confident he is town out of everyone

[DrWilgy]

What are other people's reads on Sean?

my early read holds true.

D1 was weird and the only things that kept me from a potential Seanzie vote were my bad tunnel of Splints and the pull the Mac thing had.

[DrWilgy]

I'm at a POE of Neon, Sean, and Wilgy atm.

I think the following are town

pyxxy - voted to kill Mac, and was already pretty townie yesterday
Sabi - far enough away from their wolf range that I don't think they're a wolf
lucy - tonally townie posts yesterday



Wilgy has had townie moments, but I agree with Sabi that his tone today is a little awkward and he seems like he's tiptoeing.

Why Sean

His pokes have no bite to them.

When do they ever have bite?

No offense Sean

Is that true?

I don't think his pokes in Jestermania II revenge of the Marmot had any bite in them either.

[Marmot]

I'm at a POE of Neon, Sean, and Wilgy atm.

I think the following are town

pyxxy - voted to kill Mac, and was already pretty townie yesterday
Sabi - far enough away from their wolf range that I don't think they're a wolf
lucy - tonally townie posts yesterday



Wilgy has had townie moments, but I agree with Sabi that his tone today is a little awkward and he seems like he's tiptoeing.

Why Sean

His pokes have no bite to them.

When do they ever have bite?

No offense Sean

This might be an obsolete meta, but I've seen v!Sean hound people who he thinks are wolves, the most recent example I can think of being Halvøsen Ridge Mafia and he did it quite a bit before that game. But yeah that was like 6 months ago.

That's not really happening this game.

[DrWilgy]

I'm at a POE of Neon, Sean, and Wilgy atm.

I think the following are town

pyxxy - voted to kill Mac, and was already pretty townie yesterday
Sabi - far enough away from their wolf range that I don't think they're a wolf
lucy - tonally townie posts yesterday



Wilgy has had townie moments, but I agree with Sabi that his tone today is a little awkward and he seems like he's tiptoeing.

Why Sean

His pokes have no bite to them.

When do they ever have bite?

No offense Sean

This might be an obsolete meta, but I've seen v!Sean hound people who he thinks are wolves, the most recent example I can think of being Halvøsen Ridge Mafia and he did it quite a bit before that game. But yeah that was like 6 months ago.

That's not really happening this game.

No, it definitely happens. I think it was Secret Playerlist where Seanzie definitely had some bite.

[Marmot]

Ok I'll take your word for it for now.

Not that Sean is dying today anyway.

[DrWilgy]

I'm just saying that I've seen Secret Playerlist Seanzie, Reanimators Seanzie, Jestermania Seanzie, and I don't think fervor is AI for them.

Reanimators Seanzie was VERY much able to push the thread in directions he wanted it to go as W.

Playerlist Seanzie could as well when they felt like it.

[DrWilgy]

lol,

Seanzie was one of the reasons Mac was yeeted.

He's good lol.

[Sabiplz]

I think tonally and what not that Wilgz is a wolf in every world