Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[robyn]

Lucy is probably strongest townread and I have no clue who I think is mafia

why

You look like a town member to me

why

[nutella]

we could just be boring and #d1hk

I wouldn’t be opposed

To explain myself more, me and HK are decent internet friends, have played a lot together, and specifically play super well with and off of each other when we both rand the same alignment and as town can find each other as such. We tend to both acknowledge each other and at least FMPOV pay attention to what the other is doing in the game because if we’re both town it benefits us both to find each other because we make a formidable force as a team

In the past little while, when we end up in a W!HK / V!Iawy rand, HK has tended to alternatingly take one of two approaches:

1) focus on my posts but take subtle digs at my reads and undermine my credibility by being critical of my thoughts in a way that discredits my reliability as a narrator or a reads-maker
2) Ignore my posts entirely to avoid drawing my gaze toward the scum meta tells in his interaction posts

We are currently in a 2) world (where “HK is town and we’re interacting just fine” is either 0) or 3), take your pick), so I do think [on meta grounds] that HK is mafia here

Ok I’m actually not that keen on an iawy vote, this post town pings.

another meld from the kiwi

[Dennis]

Lucy is probably strongest townread and I have no clue who I think is mafia

why

You look like a town member to me

This means I don't really know, it's just the way you're so vocal and trying to actually get somewhere with your messages

So I guess I do know

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

nutella is v
sabi is v
sabi is pushing a pro wolf agenda
creature isn't obv town
nutella's reads r good

Where is the pro wolf agenda???

Where is it because I don't see it

this is why ur town, but it's also the same reasoning for why ur pushing pro wolf agenda lol

Fuck off.

We can bring up your. Pro wolf agenda in cartomacy

we can also bring up the fact once town stopped ignoring me i had a 3/5 solve and you outed yourself

[MacDougall]

townreading Golden and Iawy for haughty overwrought content is like scumreading TSP for doing nothing but shitposting. Only someone experiencing deep generational poverty would.

[robyn]

kate/golden/sabi/creature/marmot/rondo/party crashers/michelle/lily/urist town

[MacDougall]

nutella is v
sabi is v
sabi is pushing a pro wolf agenda
creature isn't obv town
nutella's reads r good

Where is the pro wolf agenda???

Where is it because I don't see it

this is why ur town, but it's also the same reasoning for why ur pushing pro wolf agenda lol

Fuck off.

We can bring up your. Pro wolf agenda in cartomacy

we can also bring up the fact once town stopped ignoring me i had a 3/5 solve and you outed yourself

do you reckon that's w/w cuz I definitely do

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Does anyone else want to insult me some more step right up

I think your a kind beautiful nice friend and person

Ooo burn

Ily uwu

[MacDougall]

kate/golden/sabi/creature/marmot/rondo/party crashers/michelle/lily/urist town

y y y y y y y y y y y

[robyn]

kate/golden/sabi/creature/marmot/rondo/party crashers/michelle/lily/urist town

nutella too

[Michelle]

Players
112 dunno
Alison town
Cape90 town
Creature wolf
Dennis wolf
DrWilgy town
Dyslexicon town
EnderWiggin wolf
falcon45ca town
Golden wolf
Guillotine town
hollowkatt town
ilario dunno
inawordyes wolf
Kate dunno
Le petit poussin dunno
Lilypetal town
lucy town
MacDougall wolf
Marmot town
master radishes town
Michelle town
Neon town
nutella town
Party Crasher dunno
Porscha dunno
pyxxy dunno
RondoDimBuckle town
S~V~S town
sabiplz town
Scotty town
Seanzie town
sig wolf
Sloonei dunno
TonyStarkPrime town
Urist town

What have i done to deserve this read Mac?

Make me roll my eyes when I was reading your iso

did you rand wolf and forgot how to fake a read or what?



I am back to the game, I am here until i fell asleep.

[robyn]

kate/golden/sabi/creature/marmot/rondo/party crashers/michelle/lily/urist town

y y y y y y y y y y y

[falcon45ca]

Kate's opening this game is much looser than in Carto...she got engaged right away in that game

100%

And to be clear, I didn't even play Carto or know how she entered that game. When you asked my to show my working I literally just went and found her most recent wolf game.

Now, Kate *can* enter more loosely as wolf than she did in Carto, but I've never seen wolf Kate enter a game as loosely as in this one.

Alrighty, fair play. I'm inclined to sheep your TR on Kate for now

Entering loosely is definitely something Golden is an expert at

[MacDougall]

Does anyone else want to insult me some more step right up

I hear you're into crystals

[robyn]

do you reckon that's w/w cuz I definitely do

u can be wolf

[Michelle]

kate/golden/sabi/creature/marmot/rondo/party crashers/michelle/lily/urist town

nutella too

Why is lily town?

[MacDougall]

Players
112 dunno
Alison town
Cape90 town
Creature wolf
Dennis wolf
DrWilgy town
Dyslexicon town
EnderWiggin wolf
falcon45ca town
Golden wolf
Guillotine town
hollowkatt town
ilario dunno
inawordyes wolf
Kate dunno
Le petit poussin dunno
Lilypetal town
lucy town
MacDougall wolf
Marmot town
master radishes town
Michelle town
Neon town
nutella town
Party Crasher dunno
Porscha dunno
pyxxy dunno
RondoDimBuckle town
S~V~S town
sabiplz town
Scotty town
Seanzie town
sig wolf
Sloonei dunno
TonyStarkPrime town
Urist town

What have i done to deserve this read Mac?

Make me roll my eyes when I was reading your iso

did you rand wolf and forgot how to fake a read or what?



I am back to the game, I am here until i fell asleep.

yes Michelle whatever you just said is the thing

[MacDougall]

do you reckon that's w/w cuz I definitely do

u can be wolf

counterpoint u r

[robyn]

kate/golden/sabi/creature/marmot/rondo/party crashers/michelle/lily/urist town

nutella too

Why is lily town?

because she's being confident and assertive

there is solving

[Michelle]

VC

Spoiler: show

Imagine dying d1 lmao
Poll runs till Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:00 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


112
0
No votes
Voters: None
Alison
0
No votes
Voters: None
Cape90
1
3%
Voters: Le petit poussin
Creature
2
6%
Voters: pyxxy, Marmot
Dennis
4
13%
Voters: ilario, Neon, Golden, falcon45ca
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Dyslexicon
0
No votes
Voters: None
EnderWiggin
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
Golden
1
3%
Voters: MacDougall
Guillotine
1
3%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime
hollowkatt
1
3%
Voters: Inawordyes
Ilario
0
No votes
Voters: None
Inawordyes
3
10%
Voters: nutella, Scotty, Party Crasher
Kate
3
10%
Voters: Alison, Creature, Guillotine
Le petit poussin
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lilypetal
1
3%
Voters: Seanzie
lucy
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDougall
0
No votes
Voters: None
Marmot
0
No votes
Voters: None
master radishes
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
Neon
1
3%
Voters: lucy
Nutella
1
3%
Voters: Sabiplz
Party Crasher
1
3%
Voters: hollowkatt
Porscha
1
3%
Voters: Sloonei
pyxxy
1
3%
Voters: Cape90
RondoDimBuckle
2
6%
Voters: EnderWiggin, Michelle
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sabiplz
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
Seanzie
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None
Urist
0
No votes
Voters: None
No vote/unvote
1
3%
Voters: Lilypetal
Sleep
0
No votes
Voters: None
Host/mod/spec/dead etc
6
19%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Lime Coke, staypositivefriend, sabie12, Spacedaisy, Syn
Total votes: 31

[robyn]

i don't have a reason for urist town, i just like his pfp and he's posted at good times

[Michelle]

When I will see solving posts from lily I will rethink at the read

[MacDougall]

i don't have a reason for urist town, i just like his pfp and he's posted at good times

You are not attempting to benefit the town with your play imo. Which I find scummy for you.

[robyn]

When I will see solving posts from lily I will rethink at the read

go iso her lmao

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I cant believe no one has done this yet @Porscha 69

I'm like 87% sure someone did that

Lock wolf

I will be shooting you tonight. Fair warning.

Why

I've decided you and Dennis are woofs. Or something.

These were the ones at the time of my read neon. Although I've come around a little on Dennis since then.

On a scale of 1 to 10 how serious do you think each of these reads were?

I bothered to read my iso...

@Golden

If you answered this I didn't see it

Pls do.

I only have a scale of 0 and 1 and it’s always a 1 unless someone tells me it’s a 0.

[robyn]

i don't have a reason for urist town, i just like his pfp and he's posted at good times

You are not attempting to benefit the town with your play imo. Which I find scummy for you.

ratio

[robyn]

actually what do you mean i'm not trying to benefit the town with my play?

did i not break up the nutella/sabi fight?

[MacDougall]

Maybe I will actually read the entire game. 28 pages isn't that bad, and I'm intrigued by the drama and the talented cast.

It seems a foul fate has befallen our weary traveller on the journey.

[MacDougall]

actually what do you mean i'm not trying to benefit the town with my play?

did i not break up the nutella/sabi fight?

I dunno I didn't read that. Your posts that I've read have all just felt like they entirely lacked a town strategic mindset.

[Michelle]

When I will see solving posts from lily I will rethink at the read

go iso her lmao

That's a desperate measure and i will use it only if I really have to

[Dennis]

Mac is trolling

[MacDougall]

and how does breaking up sabi and nutella qualify as benefiting the town?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Now that Neon's asleep

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Wut?

You demanded a vote so I acquiesced. I'd wanted to vote for Creature at that moment.

Oh right I forgot I demanded to be voted lok

[robyn]

actually what do you mean i'm not trying to benefit the town with my play?

did i not break up the nutella/sabi fight?

I dunno I didn't read that. Your posts that I've read have all just felt like they entirely lacked a town strategic mindset.

changed my d1 meta ftr

[MacDougall]

Mac is trolling

I'm not

[Golden]

My thoughts on game state are thus:

There's a lot of weakarse wolf-reading going on, often for reasons that are trope 'that's wolfy' on stuff thats NAI. It's been hard to sort real suspicion from day one shitposting suspicion/reaction fishing for me.

There's been two things that I think are genuinely suspicion in a 'wolves there' way. The first is the suspicion on Kate, which is clearly not based in the thread at all and is entirely manufactured and hasn't gone away. The other is the number of people who are in the 'too many players, I'll wait to solve until later'. Michelle and Dennis I remember on that front, but there's more I need to check back on to remember exactly who. It's being used as a justification for why reads are hedgy/aren't good. Those are the two areas I'm currently focused on in wolf-hunting as most likely to be fruitful.

While I think the wolfhunting is weak, I've seen what I feel like is some genuinely good effort towards town-hunting. I have good vibes on at least neon, cape, nut, scotty, seanzie, lily from it, probably more that I would remember if I looked at the playerlist.

Also, from my perspective the most relevant solvey point I have to make is:

So I just read the rules and the rules expressly provide for BSG-style mafia.

My posts about having no evidence of TMI was thinking of two mafia sets but that seems unlikely based on rules as drafted. Reads as one mafia with a search mechanic. Still, though, I’d be hesitant at considering anyones townread as coming from TMI… the mafia appear to have as much interest in establishing honest town and wolfreads as anyone else, which means imo we need to rate ‘false read’ perspectives as less likely to be correct than they would usually be.

[robyn]

and how does breaking up sabi and nutella qualify as benefiting the town?

lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I didn't really read it more like I looked at it and I've got nothing other than I'm still reluctant to play due to the size of the game

What did I say?

Something lIke

(I forgot to add) Dennis was rather reluctant to join this game because of the big playerlist

Something along those lines I'll grab it

Why did that paricular post catch your attention?

Because it reminded me how I don't really want to be in this game

Is because you randed wolf isn't it?

Is okay you can tell me I won't tell the thread

[MacDougall]

actually what do you mean i'm not trying to benefit the town with my play?

did i not break up the nutella/sabi fight?

I dunno I didn't read that. Your posts that I've read have all just felt like they entirely lacked a town strategic mindset.

changed my d1 meta ftr

this is not a meta read to begin with... I just am searching for intent behind your posts and struggle to see someone who is attempting to pursue a town wincon doing the things you are

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Kate's opening this game is much looser than in Carto...she got engaged right away in that game

100%

And to be clear, I didn't even play Carto or know how she entered that game. When you asked my to show my working I literally just went and found her most recent wolf game.

Now, Kate *can* enter more loosely as wolf than she did in Carto, but I've never seen wolf Kate enter a game as loosely as in this one.

Huh...

[MacDougall]

My thoughts on game state are thus:

There's a lot of weakarse wolf-reading going on, often for reasons that are trope 'that's wolfy' on stuff thats NAI. It's been hard to sort real suspicion from day one shitposting suspicion/reaction fishing for me.

There's been two things that I think are genuinely suspicion in a 'wolves there' way. The first is the suspicion on Kate, which is clearly not based in the thread at all and is entirely manufactured and hasn't gone away. The other is the number of people who are in the 'too many players, I'll wait to solve until later'. Michelle and Dennis I remember on that front, but there's more I need to check back on to remember exactly who. It's being used as a justification for why reads are hedgy/aren't good. Those are the two areas I'm currently focused on in wolf-hunting as most likely to be fruitful.

While I think the wolfhunting is weak, I've seen what I feel like is some genuinely good effort towards town-hunting. I have good vibes on at least neon, cape, nut, scotty, seanzie, lily from it, probably more that I would remember if I looked at the playerlist.

Also, from my perspective the most relevant solvey point I have to make is:

So I just read the rules and the rules expressly provide for BSG-style mafia.

My posts about having no evidence of TMI was thinking of two mafia sets but that seems unlikely based on rules as drafted. Reads as one mafia with a search mechanic. Still, though, I’d be hesitant at considering anyones townread as coming from TMI… the mafia appear to have as much interest in establishing honest town and wolfreads as anyone else, which means imo we need to rate ‘false read’ perspectives as less likely to be correct than they would usually be.

who are pursuing Kate?

[Dennis]

I didn't really read it more like I looked at it and I've got nothing other than I'm still reluctant to play due to the size of the game

What did I say?

Something lIke

(I forgot to add) Dennis was rather reluctant to join this game because of the big playerlist

Something along those lines I'll grab it

Why did that paricular post catch your attention?

Because it reminded me how I don't really want to be in this game

Is because you randed wolf isn't it?

Is okay you can tell me I won't tell the thread

But if I told you here the rest of thread would see it. I'll tell you why in wolf chat

Now I'M trolling look at me being a hypocrite and all

[robyn]

actually what do you mean i'm not trying to benefit the town with my play?

did i not break up the nutella/sabi fight?

I dunno I didn't read that. Your posts that I've read have all just felt like they entirely lacked a town strategic mindset.

changed my d1 meta ftr

this is not a meta read to begin with... I just am searching for intent behind your posts and struggle to see someone who is attempting to pursue a town wincon doing the things you are

i'll let @Golden defend me

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Honestly

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Don't expect me to properly elaborate

The above is live footage of me winning a bet with myself that Creature would vote me D1

Who supplied the confetti?

Confetti Associates and Appraisals Inc LLC

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Honestly

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Don't expect me to properly elaborate

The above is live footage of me winning a bet with myself that Creature would vote me D1

Who supplied the confetti?

Confetti Associates and Appraisals Inc LLC

[Dennis]

My thoughts on game state are thus:

There's a lot of weakarse wolf-reading going on, often for reasons that are trope 'that's wolfy' on stuff thats NAI. It's been hard to sort real suspicion from day one shitposting suspicion/reaction fishing for me.

There's been two things that I think are genuinely suspicion in a 'wolves there' way. The first is the suspicion on Kate, which is clearly not based in the thread at all and is entirely manufactured and hasn't gone away. The other is the number of people who are in the 'too many players, I'll wait to solve until later'. Michelle and Dennis I remember on that front, but there's more I need to check back on to remember exactly who. It's being used as a justification for why reads are hedgy/aren't good. Those are the two areas I'm currently focused on in wolf-hunting as most likely to be fruitful.

While I think the wolfhunting is weak, I've seen what I feel like is some genuinely good effort towards town-hunting. I have good vibes on at least neon, cape, nut, scotty, seanzie, lily from it, probably more that I would remember if I looked at the playerlist.

Also, from my perspective the most relevant solvey point I have to make is:

So I just read the rules and the rules expressly provide for BSG-style mafia.

My posts about having no evidence of TMI was thinking of two mafia sets but that seems unlikely based on rules as drafted. Reads as one mafia with a search mechanic. Still, though, I’d be hesitant at considering anyones townread as coming from TMI… the mafia appear to have as much interest in establishing honest town and wolfreads as anyone else, which means imo we need to rate ‘false read’ perspectives as less likely to be correct than they would usually be.

I hate that I'm in that group because it's accurate

I am genuinely trying for the record

[Golden]

ok lol im pocketed by golden for real by now

What was the moment

[falcon45ca]

Honestly

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Don't expect me to properly elaborate

The above is live footage of me winning a bet with myself that Creature would vote me D1

Who supplied the confetti?

Confetti Associates and Appraisals Inc LLC

Honestly

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Don't expect me to properly elaborate

The above is live footage of me winning a bet with myself that Creature would vote me D1

Who supplied the confetti?

Confetti Associates and Appraisals Inc LLC

So nice, she posted it twice

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

nutella is v
sabi is v
sabi is pushing a pro wolf agenda
creature isn't obv town
nutella's reads r good

Where is the pro wolf agenda???

Where is it because I don't see it

this is why ur town, but it's also the same reasoning for why ur pushing pro wolf agenda lol

Fuck off.

We can bring up your. Pro wolf agenda in cartomacy

we can also bring up the fact once town stopped ignoring me i had a 3/5 solve and you outed yourself

do you reckon that's w/w cuz I definitely do

It's very eerily almost creepily reminiscent of a Sabi wolf game here when they faked AtE with someone in this thread isn't it?

[Golden]

My thoughts on game state are thus:

There's a lot of weakarse wolf-reading going on, often for reasons that are trope 'that's wolfy' on stuff thats NAI. It's been hard to sort real suspicion from day one shitposting suspicion/reaction fishing for me.

There's been two things that I think are genuinely suspicion in a 'wolves there' way. The first is the suspicion on Kate, which is clearly not based in the thread at all and is entirely manufactured and hasn't gone away. The other is the number of people who are in the 'too many players, I'll wait to solve until later'. Michelle and Dennis I remember on that front, but there's more I need to check back on to remember exactly who. It's being used as a justification for why reads are hedgy/aren't good. Those are the two areas I'm currently focused on in wolf-hunting as most likely to be fruitful.

While I think the wolfhunting is weak, I've seen what I feel like is some genuinely good effort towards town-hunting. I have good vibes on at least neon, cape, nut, scotty, seanzie, lily from it, probably more that I would remember if I looked at the playerlist.

Also, from my perspective the most relevant solvey point I have to make is:

So I just read the rules and the rules expressly provide for BSG-style mafia.

My posts about having no evidence of TMI was thinking of two mafia sets but that seems unlikely based on rules as drafted. Reads as one mafia with a search mechanic. Still, though, I’d be hesitant at considering anyones townread as coming from TMI… the mafia appear to have as much interest in establishing honest town and wolfreads as anyone else, which means imo we need to rate ‘false read’ perspectives as less likely to be correct than they would usually be.

who are pursuing Kate?

The list of people who have either voted kate or pushed back on/indicated scepticism in town reads of Kate is:

Scotty
Seanzie
Urist
Alison
Creature
Lucy
Falcon
Guillotine

And possibly more that I've missed.

Of that set, I have got reasons for town vibes on Scotty, Seanzie, Falcon and Guillotine so I'm really looking at the middle four as most likely.