Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[nutella]

instead of elliming me while im on vacation

maybe get someone who is actively wolfy like petit who has been burying me like wolf anyways

or urist who has been literally trolling me

or like half of creature, also for some reason, the link in the beginning with Creature's ISO is MEGA BROKEN

or more obvious people like ilario

i think Master Radishes is a pet wolf read and reading more of his stuff, yeah sure

DrWigly is just POE fodder there is that

Eeeek

Ok yeah I'm fully on board [VOTE: cape] aubergine

Like this one really stuck out to me and I hated a lot of his other responses around that general string of posts a few hours ago. The whole way he's presenting/defending himself after his wagon appeared has reeked of caught wolf to me. His reluctance to vote iawy or dennis feels like antispew.

[Golden]

This is shithouse. One of the single worst day one elims I e ever seen. If cape isn’t town here I’ll eat a whole wardrobe full of hats.

Nut gets the biggest from me

I thought I was your strongest townread other than kate lol

Why are you so sure cape is town? Is it actually TMI this time

You were. Your approach to cape has made that slide. Your most recent post about trusting everyone on the wagon made it snap.

You are thoroughly obsessed with a bullsuit case. I hate it.

It's a nice plus that I trust everyone on the wagon. There's likely a busser or two atp but it's secondary to his posts today being shit.

His posts have been completely fine

[Alison]

Voters: RondoDimBuckle, Le petit poussin, Kate, nutella, Urist, Alison, EnderWiggin, Michelle

Literally every one of the cape voters are town holy heckin darn

Not sure about Kate and Ender is a coinflip (to me, maybe he posted while I was sleeping) but the rest seem fine, has my whole towncore on it

[S~V~S]

I tried to vote, and got something called "AJAX Error". Is that the site, or me?

Ajax error? Do you have a Trojan horse?

I was about to answer this in sincerity, then i got it.

[Dyslexicon]

Mafia is a very hard game. I still don't think I like it that much.

[Party Crasher]

ill move to cape to avoid tie but i prefer iawy

i had a townread on cape but i havent read much and ill sheep if it comes to it

-tutuu

[Golden]

Ok the ‘don’t elim me while on vacay’ isn’t great lol

[Marmot]

Voters: RondoDimBuckle, Le petit poussin, Kate, nutella, Urist, Alison, EnderWiggin, Michelle

Literally every one of the cape voters are town holy heckin darn

Which actually doesn't mean Cape is mafia. If cape is mafia, I'd expect mafia to bus. I should probably not expect a thing.

Actually true. But like I said, hiiighly unlikely that all the people in those 8 are town.

Yeah, it was more of a theoretical argument =P

Also, I think wagon compositions are much more random than they often are read as

100%. People jumping on wagons because they like the wagon composition is wolf-siding nonsense.

I disagree. I mean, if that's the sole reason, sure it's a little more sus in the event the wagon flips town, but it's a useful contributing factor among other things in making a vote.

I played a game last year where I refused to vote a wagon on Day 1 because I didn't have an informed opinion on the player in question, even though I trusted every single player on the wagon. Instead, I voted the counterwagon who I suspected. The first wagon ended up flipping wolf.


I guess my point is, I think it's important to also find other players you trust and weigh that into your calculations. Mafia isn't a FPS.

[Seanzie]

Ok the ‘don’t elim me while on vacay’ isn’t great lol

Can you respond to me?

[nutella]

@nutella Why do you town read Dennis again?

I don't particularly strongly, but I lean him town both for handwavey threadstate wagon formation reasons and some vibes that his early posting wasn't as uncomfortable as others characterized it and his reactionary-ness could easily come from town. I haven't played with him before so I'm not confident.

[Alison]

What I'm hearing is that if Cape flips mafia I am shooting Golden.

[nutella]

This is shithouse. One of the single worst day one elims I e ever seen. If cape isn’t town here I’ll eat a whole wardrobe full of hats.

Nut gets the biggest from me

I thought I was your strongest townread other than kate lol

Why are you so sure cape is town? Is it actually TMI this time

You were. Your approach to cape has made that slide. Your most recent post about trusting everyone on the wagon made it snap.

You are thoroughly obsessed with a bullsuit case. I hate it.

It's a nice plus that I trust everyone on the wagon. There's likely a busser or two atp but it's secondary to his posts today being shit.

His posts have been completely fine

Well I disagree. His responses like the one I quoted were full of awkward deflections and guilty conscience

[nutella]

Like it's subtle but it's there

[Urist]

I tried to vote, and got something called "AJAX Error". Is that the site, or me?

Ajax error? Do you have a Trojan horse?

I was about to answer this in sincerity, then i got it.

To answer your question honestly, Ajax error just means the http request failed. Could be literally anything.

[Party Crasher]

Imo this is town town by the absolute chill in thread

Dz

[nutella]

He's not acting like I expect a townie in his position to act. He put in some token effort to defend himself but it was lacking heart and sincerity

[sig]

I could see a mafia golden playing a totally reverse game from cartoon so hard defending mafia teammates vs bussing.

This is all pending the flips of course

[Party Crasher]

Imo this is town town by the absolute chill in thread

Dz

chad post

-tutuu

[Golden]

Ok the ‘don’t elim me while on vacay’ isn’t great lol

Can you respond to me?

Hi Sean. Did you have something more specific in mind?

[Seanzie]

This is shithouse. One of the single worst day one elims I e ever seen. If cape isn’t town here I’ll eat a whole wardrobe full of hats.

Nut gets the biggest from me

I thought I was your strongest townread other than kate lol

Why are you so sure cape is town? Is it actually TMI this time

You were. Your approach to cape has made that slide. Your most recent post about trusting everyone on the wagon made it snap.

You are thoroughly obsessed with a bullsuit case. I hate it.

It's a nice plus that I trust everyone on the wagon. There's likely a busser or two atp but it's secondary to his posts today being shit.

His posts have been completely fine

Well I disagree. His responses like the one I quoted were full of awkward deflections and guilty conscience

hmm...

[Dyslexicon]

Cape/Rask, are either of you town?

sure bronana. He even told you I towntold already. But what are your reads?


brb

Scotty prob town based on initial Nutella OMGUS, I think Cape is town, I want you to be town

I think HK is unironically scummy because he’s ignoring me, I think Guillo’s reasons for thunderdoming HK are bad and -EV to hang up all his focus into it (though I understand the underlying meta reasoning) but I think Guillo is more likely at this stage to just be tunneled townie rather than scummy for the push

I want Nutella to be town but her posts are coming across very weird in a way that didn’t happen in the NPC game when she was town (her severe disinterest in playing because she got pulled in after initially being an NPC aside as it was also the same for me just in the mafia side. and she still became a top tier townie by her death as far as the thread was concerned). Precisely because of the parenthesis I’m hesitant to fully push into it, also I don’t want the point to be missed as just “oh, Iawy is OMGUS’ing Nutella’s vote on them” either, but it’s a thought that I have

I don’t expressly have a read on Sabi yet, but I keep coming back to them as a slot of note that I feel like I should be townreading, but at the same time I am holding myself back from committing to that read. I don’t know why my brain works this way to be able to give an explanation for either read

I am gonna make the Party Crashers love me whether they want to or not

This section doesn't track to me. IAWY reads HK as scummy but thinks is -EV for Guillo to tunnel HK, but "forgives" Guillo for being a tunnelled towny.

[nutella]

Ender is a coinflip (to me, maybe he posted while I was sleeping)

He became super towny overnight I recommend iso

[nutella]

and basically spearheaded cape wagon

[nutella]

if cape is a miss i'd go back to uncertain on ender but his solving felt good

[Alison]

I could see a mafia golden playing a totally reverse game from cartoon so hard defending mafia teammates vs bussing.

This is all pending the flips of course

I actually think this might be the case. Like he saw we accused him of TMI for the Kate thing earlier and he is trying to play into it.

[Party Crasher]

im shooting iawy with my big gun tonight

-tutuu

[Seanzie]

Ok the ‘don’t elim me while on vacay’ isn’t great lol

Can you respond to me?

Hi Sean. Did you have something more specific in mind?

Yeah, I'd like to hear your thoughts on IAWY. You seem to want to talk about how you don't like the Cape wagon, but don't seem to want to talk about the counterwagon.

[Party Crasher]

Imo this is town town by the absolute chill in thread

Dz

chad post

-tutuu

Lets grab some 40s and head to hydra chat xoxoxox

[Golden]

He's not acting like I expect a townie in his position to act. He put in some token effort to defend himself but it was lacking heart and sincerity

Ok I understand the perspective at least.

[Alison]

Ender is a coinflip (to me, maybe he posted while I was sleeping)

He became super towny overnight I recommend iso

Don't have time/motivation to backread everything but I'll iso when I have a bit

If I take it on faith that Ender is townie then I feel really good about the Cape wagon

[sig]

Imo this is town town by the absolute chill in thread

Dz

See I’m not a fan of that logic given we just had the move into Cape. You’ve gotta assume a handful of mafia are around just avoiding the two/three big wagons, they’re bussing for credit, or they’re just literally busy with real life and not around.

If we have a sudden wave of players in the last like 15-20 minutes freaking out we’re likely hitting mafia, but the lack of freak out doesn’t mean anything especially for day 1 and especially for a day 1 of this size

[Golden]

Ok the ‘don’t elim me while on vacay’ isn’t great lol

Can you respond to me?

Hi Sean. Did you have something more specific in mind?

Yeah, I'd like to hear your thoughts on IAWY. You seem to want to talk about how you don't like the Cape wagon, but don't seem to want to talk about the counterwagon.

My vibe on iawy is that he’s town, but I’d vote for him before cape, but I ain’t gonna further there risk of a tie.

[Marmot]

Ender is a coinflip (to me, maybe he posted while I was sleeping)

He became super towny overnight I recommend iso

Yeah I agree with this.

I don't remember when he did it, but had some better progressions on his initially bad reads.

[Party Crasher]

Imo this is town town by the absolute chill in thread

Dz

chad post

-tutuu

Lets grab some 40s and head to hydra chat xoxoxox

i suggest we go somewhere more quiet instead, syn, bereft and sheep are spamming too much

[nutella]

What I'm hearing is that if Cape flips mafia I am shooting Golden.

No, I actually don't think they're w/w after this exchange.

[Party Crasher]

Imo this is town town by the absolute chill in thread

Dz

See I’m not a fan of that logic given we just had the move into Cape. You’ve gotta assume a handful of mafia are around just avoiding the two/three big wagons, they’re bussing for credit, or they’re just literally busy with real life and not around.

If we have a sudden wave of players in the last like 15-20 minutes freaking out we’re likely hitting mafia, but the lack of freak out doesn’t mean anything especially for day 1 and especially for a day 1 of this size

Yh but ive not been paying attention

[Dyslexicon]

@nutella Why do you town read Dennis again?

I don't particularly strongly, but I lean him town both for handwavey threadstate wagon formation reasons and some vibes that his early posting wasn't as uncomfortable as others characterized it and his reactionary-ness could easily come from town. I haven't played with him before so I'm not confident.

Ok. I thought you had meta like others seem to have.

[Alison]

Imo this is town town by the absolute chill in thread

Dz

See I’m not a fan of that logic given we just had the move into Cape. You’ve gotta assume a handful of mafia are around just avoiding the two/three big wagons, they’re bussing for credit, or they’re just literally busy with real life and not around.

If we have a sudden wave of players in the last like 15-20 minutes freaking out we’re likely hitting mafia, but the lack of freak out doesn’t mean anything especially for day 1 and especially for a day 1 of this size

DADV is a terrible read

[sig]

Imo this is town town by the absolute chill in thread

Dz

See I’m not a fan of that logic given we just had the move into Cape. You’ve gotta assume a handful of mafia are around just avoiding the two/three big wagons, they’re bussing for credit, or they’re just literally busy with real life and not around.

If we have a sudden wave of players in the last like 15-20 minutes freaking out we’re likely hitting mafia, but the lack of freak out doesn’t mean anything especially for day 1 and especially for a day 1 of this size

Yh but ive not been paying attention

Fair point then

[Seanzie]

Ok the ‘don’t elim me while on vacay’ isn’t great lol

Can you respond to me?

Hi Sean. Did you have something more specific in mind?

Yeah, I'd like to hear your thoughts on IAWY. You seem to want to talk about how you don't like the Cape wagon, but don't seem to want to talk about the counterwagon.

My vibe on iawy is that he’s town, but I’d vote for him before cape, but I ain’t gonna further there risk of a tie.

It's almost an hour until EoD, voting now does not create a tie EoD. You have nothing but vibe there?

[Alison]

What I'm hearing is that if Cape flips mafia I am shooting Golden.

No, I actually don't think they're w/w after this exchange.

Why? Golden is putting enough force into his defense that he might actually save Cape, and if you agree that his Cape defense reasons are bullshit and the case on Cape was good and Cape flips mafia then... why isn't golden just mafia?

[Alison]

I mean we have to hold people accountable somehow

[RondoDimBuckle]

112 is a maybe

Alison is a no

Cape90 is a good

Creature is a no

Dennis is an eh

DrWilgy is a no I guess

Dyslexicon is a meh

EnderWiggin is probably a no

falcon45ca is probably a no too

Golden is a maybe

Guillotine is an eh

hollowkatt is a possible good option

ilario is a maybe

Inawordyes is a good

Kate is a maybe

Le petit poussin is a possible good option

Lilypetal is a possible good option too

MacDougall is a I don't recommend right now although I can see him being wolf

Marmot is a no

master radishes is probably a no

Michelle is probably a no

Neon is a meh

Nutella is a maybe

Party Crasher is a maybe

Porscha is a meh

pyxxy is a good (but I have some reasons to not want him rn)

S~V~S is an I have no idea

Sabiplz is a possible good option

Scotty is a meh

Seanzie is a fence

sig is probably a no

Sloonei is a meh/maybe

TonyStarkPrime is a maybe

Urist is a meh

I notice I am not on this list. Creature flash wagon?

[Dyslexicon]

Cape/Rask, are either of you town?

sure bronana. He even told you I towntold already. But what are your reads?


brb

Scotty prob town based on initial Nutella OMGUS, I think Cape is town, I want you to be town

I think HK is unironically scummy because he’s ignoring me, I think Guillo’s reasons for thunderdoming HK are bad and -EV to hang up all his focus into it (though I understand the underlying meta reasoning) but I think Guillo is more likely at this stage to just be tunneled townie rather than scummy for the push

I want Nutella to be town but her posts are coming across very weird in a way that didn’t happen in the NPC game when she was town (her severe disinterest in playing because she got pulled in after initially being an NPC aside as it was also the same for me just in the mafia side. and she still became a top tier townie by her death as far as the thread was concerned). Precisely because of the parenthesis I’m hesitant to fully push into it, also I don’t want the point to be missed as just “oh, Iawy is OMGUS’ing Nutella’s vote on them” either, but it’s a thought that I have

I don’t expressly have a read on Sabi yet, but I keep coming back to them as a slot of note that I feel like I should be townreading, but at the same time I am holding myself back from committing to that read. I don’t know why my brain works this way to be able to give an explanation for either read

I am gonna make the Party Crashers love me whether they want to or not

This section doesn't track to me. IAWY reads HK as scummy but thinks is -EV for Guillo to tunnel HK, but "forgives" Guillo for being a tunnelled towny.

I think this is important btw. And I wouldn't be surprised if this was a case of Cape v with mostly v on them and IAWY w with quite a few wolves on them and then we chop the wrong one and the game goes to shits. Not that I've seen that a lot on the TS or anything.

[Le petit poussin]

Golden reentrance is gross.

[Dyslexicon]

That's conspiracy, but still

[Alison]

Mechanically I still would prefer to use my gun on a zero poster for reasons I've alluded to earlier so if you really feel strongly about not shooting Golden in the event of a Cape mafia flip then I guess it's not the end of the world

eh maybe I just shoot a 0 poster and we can talk about Golden tomorrow

[DrWilgy]

Lalala voting IAWY lalalala

[Sabiplz]

112 is a maybe

Alison is a no

Cape90 is a good

Creature is a no

Dennis is an eh

DrWilgy is a no I guess

Dyslexicon is a meh

EnderWiggin is probably a no

falcon45ca is probably a no too

Golden is a maybe

Guillotine is an eh

hollowkatt is a possible good option

ilario is a maybe

Inawordyes is a good

Kate is a maybe

Le petit poussin is a possible good option

Lilypetal is a possible good option too

MacDougall is a I don't recommend right now although I can see him being wolf

Marmot is a no

master radishes is probably a no

Michelle is probably a no

Neon is a meh

Nutella is a maybe

Party Crasher is a maybe

Porscha is a meh

pyxxy is a good (but I have some reasons to not want him rn)

S~V~S is an I have no idea

Sabiplz is a possible good option

Scotty is a meh

Seanzie is a fence

sig is probably a no

Sloonei is a meh/maybe

TonyStarkPrime is a maybe

Urist is a meh

I notice I am not on this list. Creature flash wagon?

OK that creature list sucks

[Seanzie]

Mechanically I still would prefer to use my gun on a zero poster for reasons I've alluded to earlier so if you really feel strongly about not shooting Golden in the event of a Cape mafia flip then I guess it's not the end of the world

eh maybe I just shoot a 0 poster and we can talk about Golden tomorrow

If it helps, there's a 69% chance I shoot Golden tonight.