Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[Creature]

Ok looks like nothing will really happen at all today.

I would shoot this.

atp we need to flip some people to progress the game.

[Sloonei]

I would like @Sloonei to comment on how he feels about the POE of 4 that me/Mac/Golden hashed out last night (112, Radishes, Marmot, SVS). Do you agree with it, do you think we're misclearing someone, do you think one of these people should be cleared, etc.

I have not read enough of the thread to offer specific comments about who should or should not be in the POE. I have no reason to object to these four names receiving the amount of attention that they are currently receiving.

[Golden]

Ok looks like nothing will really happen at all today.

I would shoot this.

atp we need to flip some people to progress the game.

To be honest if any townie has a shot right now I’d be very happy for them to use it on marmot, w!marmot would cause significant progression.

[Sloonei]

I am playing this game with the approach of only interacting with things that are happening immediately when I am present. So I only really have reads on players who have overlapped with my time in the thread.

[Golden]

I am playing this game with the approach of only interacting with things that are happening immediately when I am present. So I only really have reads on players who have overlapped with my time in the thread.

This is fair, even so, read pages 110-112 I think it’s worthwhile

[Party Crasher]

this is our battle theme

who wants to thunderdome?

send a battle theme and then lets go ham

[MacDougall]

It frustrates me when non mafia players fixate on whether certain people who have large ranges might be wolves when we have a large percentage of easier to read players who have yet to actually be very towny at all.

[MacDougall]

I am playing this game with the approach of only interacting with things that are happening immediately when I am present. So I only really have reads on players who have overlapped with my time in the thread.

This is fair, even so, read pages 110-112 I think it’s worthwhile

I am quite sure Sloonei was present through it and commented on it at the time positively.

[Golden]

Apologies for the Sloonei erasure

[Creature]

It frustrates me when non mafia players fixate on whether certain people who have large ranges might be wolves when we have a large percentage of easier to read players who have yet to actually be very towny at all.

Who are the players with shorter ranges who have and haven't been towny enough?

[Master Radishes]

In my catch up I thought Seanzie's brief re-entry was scummy. I'm swapping MR and 112 for Dizzy, Seanzie and Guillo in my POE.

Why is MR coming out?

I mean I can come out if I want to. It's 2023.

[Master Radishes]

I know Dizzy would appreciate it.

[Urist]

Dyslexicon yanking NAI posts from 12 hours ago and commenting on them without bothering to check whether they are contextually relevant is one thing but that they're doing that instead of pulling alignment indicative quotes and making actual reads is wolfy imo.

I think MR and 112 got townier.

SVS turning on Marmot probably means they are not w/w.

So I'm not happy with my POE so much anymore. Put Guillo and Dizzy in it imo.

Eh, dizzy is more conscious of this stuff as mafia imo

[MacDougall]

It frustrates me when non mafia players fixate on whether certain people who have large ranges might be wolves when we have a large percentage of easier to read players who have yet to actually be very towny at all.

Who are the players with shorter ranges who have and haven't been towny enough?

I honestly think if you named players at random you'd probably hit someone who qualifies.

[Guillotine]

Guillotine how can your mindset be that I'm not pushing you for elimination when you've literally quoted and replied to posts I made with you in the lower of my POE?

Because you and I have played in the past as scum together and there are a handful f people who knows this is how you and I distance as wolves, by wolf reading each other, throwing shade at each other but never making the push strong enough to get the other executed.

I think this is how wolf you sets me up.

[Scotty]

Ok gamers, are you ready to game?

AVADA KEDAVRA MARMOT @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

lol

A part of me hopes that nook adds this mechanic tomorrow for the memes

[RondoDimBuckle]

Btw I saw the shot on IAWY but haven't read up on any claims in D2 or anything, so if there's anything worthwhile in terms of mech or whatever...

was this resolved? Is it MR or Scotty who shot IAWY?

[Creature]

It frustrates me when non mafia players fixate on whether certain people who have large ranges might be wolves when we have a large percentage of easier to read players who have yet to actually be very towny at all.

Who are the players with shorter ranges who have and haven't been towny enough?

I honestly think if you named players at random you'd probably hit someone who qualifies.

Michelle?

nutella?

Kate?

Porscha?

sig?

DrWilgy?

[MacDougall]

Guillotine how can your mindset be that I'm not pushing you for elimination when you've literally quoted and replied to posts I made with you in the lower of my POE?

Because you and I have played in the past as scum together and there are a handful f people who knows this is how you and I distance as wolves, by wolf reading each other, throwing shade at each other but never making the push strong enough to get the other executed.

I think this is how wolf you sets me up.

So now I'm a wolf trying to spew you as my wolf teammate by emulating our distancing meta?

I'm pretty sure at this point you'd scumread me if I suicide bombed the whole mafia team and flipped town. "Must be janitored".

Seriously I can't actually convince you I'm town if your confirmation bias and paranoia is this level so there's no real reason to engage with you. Go off King.

[Creature]

Ok gamers, are you ready to game?

AVADA KEDAVRA MARMOT @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

lol

A part of me hopes that nook adds this mechanic tomorrow for the memes

Give it a 15% chance of hitting for everyone and I'm game.

[Scotty]

I haven’t found dizzy wolfy. Or scotty.

I don't find dizzy scotty either

Trust me, when I’m dizzy I can’t even find the bathroom

[MacDougall]

It frustrates me when non mafia players fixate on whether certain people who have large ranges might be wolves when we have a large percentage of easier to read players who have yet to actually be very towny at all.

Who are the players with shorter ranges who have and haven't been towny enough?

I honestly think if you named players at random you'd probably hit someone who qualifies.

Michelle?

nutella?

Kate?

Porscha?

sig?

DrWilgy?

Yes to all. They have all been given easy townreads when they aren't out of their scumranges. Notwithstanding my personal reads on each they are all as valid or more valid to be paranoid of than me.

[Guillotine]

Guillotine how can your mindset be that I'm not pushing you for elimination when you've literally quoted and replied to posts I made with you in the lower of my POE?

Because you and I have played in the past as scum together and there are a handful f people who knows this is how you and I distance as wolves, by wolf reading each other, throwing shade at each other but never making the push strong enough to get the other executed.

I think this is how wolf you sets me up.

So now I'm a wolf trying to spew you as my wolf teammate by emulating our distancing meta?

I'm pretty sure at this point you'd scumread me if I suicide bombed the whole mafia team and flipped town. "Must be janitored".

Seriously I can't actually convince you I'm town if your confirmation bias and paranoia is this level so there's no real reason to engage with you. Go off King.

So am i town confirmation biasing or scum who deserves to be PiEd? Cause im getting mi ed signals now

[Guillotine]

Mixed*

[MacDougall]

Btw I saw the shot on IAWY but haven't read up on any claims in D2 or anything, so if there's anything worthwhile in terms of mech or whatever...

was this resolved? Is it MR or Scotty who shot IAWY?

MR is just saying he read the post where Iawy was shot by Scotty. You're misreading.

[Scotty]

Huh.

This isn’t so much a gotcha as it is a logical fallacy from my POV.
>“Iawy has decent reads in general” is pretty subjective. Who’s to say mine aren’t decent?
> “POE members tend to have better reads because they have a green check on themselves and so have slightly better perspective than everyone else in the thread”
Ok, so. I have a green check on myself.
>”This is enough to put him in the POE”


To put it another way: ‘I like the taste of beef burgers’
‘If someone makes a beef burger, odds are it’ll be good’
‘Someone made a fake beef burger’
‘I’m not even going to bother trying that garbage’

It doesn't matter how good your reads are if I think you are mafia. I only care about the goodness of your reads if I think you are town in the first place.

IAWY flipped town so I can trust him. What reasons have you provided me to trust you? Mac and Sloonei see something in your posting which is the only reason I'm keeping you out of the POE, but I haven't seen you do anything pro town other than shoot IAWY... which could easily have been a loud shot you are pretending is a silent one for cred.

I see that someone mentioned you were gifted a shot. Why do you think you out of all people were selected for that gift?

You’re twisting your own words tho. Of course you can trust iawy because he flipped. You literally said because he was in the poe (implying before being flipped) he had better reads in general.

But we’re talking in circles

Oh, as to your last point- I don’t know- last time I got 2 guns, I shot and killed you in endgame to win. So…there’s that?

In that game you were randomly given the gun by a redirected night action, and you used it well because the mechanical gamestate meant that BlueKang had to be mafia from your point of view. The hypothetical gun giver in this game would have no reason to trust you were town (nobody had you as top town iirc) and no reason to trust that your reads would be particularly good. Someone like nutella is far more consensus town and also far more likely to have good reads - so I am wondering why this gun giver chose to give you the gun and not her.

I asked my dog and she came and licked my foot which was sooo cute

What was the question?

[MacDougall]

Guillotine how can your mindset be that I'm not pushing you for elimination when you've literally quoted and replied to posts I made with you in the lower of my POE?

Because you and I have played in the past as scum together and there are a handful f people who knows this is how you and I distance as wolves, by wolf reading each other, throwing shade at each other but never making the push strong enough to get the other executed.

I think this is how wolf you sets me up.

So now I'm a wolf trying to spew you as my wolf teammate by emulating our distancing meta?

I'm pretty sure at this point you'd scumread me if I suicide bombed the whole mafia team and flipped town. "Must be janitored".

Seriously I can't actually convince you I'm town if your confirmation bias and paranoia is this level so there's no real reason to engage with you. Go off King.

So am i town confirmation biasing or scum who deserves to be PiEd? Cause im getting mi ed signals now

You're getting mixed signals because I have mixed feelings.

[Golden]

Guillo gets a legit town read for that level of paranoia. I’m not sure it makes sense for w!guillo to come at Mac in that way.

[Guillotine]

Guillotine how can your mindset be that I'm not pushing you for elimination when you've literally quoted and replied to posts I made with you in the lower of my POE?

Because you and I have played in the past as scum together and there are a handful f people who knows this is how you and I distance as wolves, by wolf reading each other, throwing shade at each other but never making the push strong enough to get the other executed.

I think this is how wolf you sets me up.

So now I'm a wolf trying to spew you as my wolf teammate by emulating our distancing meta?

I'm pretty sure at this point you'd scumread me if I suicide bombed the whole mafia team and flipped town. "Must be janitored".

Seriously I can't actually convince you I'm town if your confirmation bias and paranoia is this level so there's no real reason to engage with you. Go off King.

So am i town confirmation biasing or scum who deserves to be PiEd? Cause im getting mi ed signals now

You're getting mixed signals because I have mixed feelings.

Ok.

Mac is town.

[Guillotine]

Golden on the other hand is not.

[Golden]

Guillotine how can your mindset be that I'm not pushing you for elimination when you've literally quoted and replied to posts I made with you in the lower of my POE?

Because you and I have played in the past as scum together and there are a handful f people who knows this is how you and I distance as wolves, by wolf reading each other, throwing shade at each other but never making the push strong enough to get the other executed.

I think this is how wolf you sets me up.

So now I'm a wolf trying to spew you as my wolf teammate by emulating our distancing meta?

I'm pretty sure at this point you'd scumread me if I suicide bombed the whole mafia team and flipped town. "Must be janitored".

Seriously I can't actually convince you I'm town if your confirmation bias and paranoia is this level so there's no real reason to engage with you. Go off King.

So am i town confirmation biasing or scum who deserves to be PiEd? Cause im getting mi ed signals now

You're getting mixed signals because I have mixed feelings.

Ok.

Mac is town.

Yes. Glad you got there.

Pages 110-112 don’t come from w!Mac in any world imo

[MacDougall]

Like it's a perfect time to point out that on multiple occasions you have slammed the hammer down on people, self included, for not treating you like outed mafia even though we suspect you. Which is demonstrably irrational because there are other people who can be scummier, reads have differing levels of confidence. For your play to make sense the sentence "if you suspect Guillo he must be your entire scum suspect pool and you must never doubt yourself" would have to be factually true. When it's demonstrably absurd and also inhuman to hold people to that standard.

It's actually got me convinced you're a 3p.

[falcon45ca]

This entire game to date has been people pushing trope ‘this is wolfy’ angles that are objectively describing NAI behaviour.

Sounds like NAI behaviour :wowee:

This is wolfy.

Agreed.

[Scotty]

Possibility that Golden, Alison, Mac contains a wolf? Of course.

Probability? Well from my perspective no it's not probable. And because it's not probable it's not something I think should be being remonstrated in the thread where other players less immersed in the game are forced to swim through where more productive content could instead be placed.

And even if it were probable, unless you think that the net result of the day 2 chop is improved by highlighting this fact over and over, it's probably better to keep it as an idea and actually force the wolf/s between us to kill a weaker teammate via the POE play that we've committed ourselves to, because the alternative is probably just a quite random end of day where the wolves just easily manipulate the wagon onto the scummiest townie.

Kind of a moot path to go down

But if I’m lost wolf, I’m trying to be as towny as possible. Wouldn’t surprise me a second if one of our ‘towncore’ is the lost wolf.

But again, moot point. But this also means that no one should be off the table for, say, a shot in the dark.

[Golden]

Golden on the other hand is not.

Lol. So many who have to learn the hard way. I’m very far out of my wolfrange.

[RondoDimBuckle]

POE

112
ender
golden
iawy
party crashers
sig

@sig if ur town can u do the things that make it obvious for me thx

I think PC's reaction to you at EoD is actually very towny if you think about it. I swear there was something else relating to claim business that also made them towny to me, but I can't find it.

Unrelated to this post, its just something I thought of when I saw Dyslexicons profile picture. Has Ender done anything back and forth with Dys? Point against if not because by now they should have sorted each other out and I have seen nothing and I have read the whole game bar catching up today

[falcon45ca]

Golden on the other hand is not.

Eh, I kinda think you both are town

[Scotty]

Btw I saw the shot on IAWY but haven't read up on any claims in D2 or anything, so if there's anything worthwhile in terms of mech or whatever...

was this resolved? Is it MR or Scotty who shot IAWY?

It was pyxxy duh

[falcon45ca]

Guillo gets a legit town read for that level of paranoia. I’m not sure it makes sense for w!guillo to come at Mac in that way.

I feel the same about the way Guillo is coming at you. Def towny paranoia

[Guillotine]

Like it's a perfect time to point out that on multiple occasions you have slammed the hammer down on people, self included, for not treating you like outed mafia even though we suspect you. Which is demonstrably irrational because there are other people who can be scummier, reads have differing levels of confidence. For your play to make sense the sentence "if you suspect Guillo he must be your entire scum suspect pool and you must never doubt yourself" would have to be factually true. When it's demonstrably absurd and also inhuman to hold people to that standard.

It's actually got me convinced you're a 3p.

3P? So you townread me then? A solo 3P is the same as town, they dont know who scum is.

Im not 3P but it works as unaligned with scum so, i will take it.

[Dyslexicon]

I know Dizzy would appreciate it.

I would be first in line!

Dear Radish. Will you ever get more into this game? Do you recall the games we've had together? I think we're a wonderful couple, and if you are town here, I would so love to see you be the star I know you can be. Love, Dizzy.

[EnderWiggin]

So, little bit of meta for people.

Rondo has compulsive balls-to-walls-itis as wolf.

When he gets strong heat his instinctual reaction is to do something outlandish. Aiming for the "But why would Rondo do that as wolf?"

Now unless I'm suddenly developing my own mental disorder, I believe today's progression goes:

People sus Rondo
Rondo starts trying to burn Mac alive

Which feels a looooot like the meta I know of Rondo.

Are you saying it feels like the wolf Rondo or town Rondo?

I too like to vote people in their town meta.

[falcon45ca]

There is def a wolf in Mac, Alison, Golden, Neon dynamic.

Is there a specific reason, something you've noted and can point to, or is it gut feels?

[MacDougall]

Like it's a perfect time to point out that on multiple occasions you have slammed the hammer down on people, self included, for not treating you like outed mafia even though we suspect you. Which is demonstrably irrational because there are other people who can be scummier, reads have differing levels of confidence. For your play to make sense the sentence "if you suspect Guillo he must be your entire scum suspect pool and you must never doubt yourself" would have to be factually true. When it's demonstrably absurd and also inhuman to hold people to that standard.

It's actually got me convinced you're a 3p.

3P? So you townread me then? A solo 3P is the same as town, they dont know who scum is.

Im not 3P but it works as unaligned with scum so, i will take it.

Sure Guillo whatever you say. The content we are generating would be making immersion incredibly difficult for people in catch up mode.

[Dyslexicon]

Unrelated to this post, its just something I thought of when I saw Dyslexicons profile picture. Has Ender done anything back and forth with Dys? Point against if not because by now they should have sorted each other out and I have seen nothing and I have read the whole game bar catching up today

Yeah, I haven't actually sorted Ender. But some of the things he posts makes me feel sane and hopeful.

[Alison]

See I told Guillo to stop talking nonsense and he got there on Mac

I'm so good at controlling him

[MacDougall]

@Guillotine you said earlier my POE was poopoo. Can you give me detailed reads on all the people in it that aren't you?

[Dyslexicon]

I too like to vote people in their town meta.

We need to do back and forth.

[Guillotine]

There is def a wolf in Mac, Alison, Golden, Neon dynamic.

Is there a specific reason, something you've noted and can point to, or is it gut feels?

It all starts with Golden magically townreading Mac enough to trust his PoE, which lead to trust Alison for getting me out of PoE even though Golden does not trust me themselves.
He said he townread Mac, Allison and Neon but the first two Golden could not demonstrate why.

[Guillotine]

@Guillotine you said earlier my POE was poopoo. Can you give me detailed reads on all the people in it that aren't you?

I didnt say your PoE was poopoo, i said it was PooPoo because im in it.