Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[MacDougall]

Mac you forgot MR in your final list

poe, low

[MacDougall]

I appear to have stunned the entire game into silence with my post.

[Golden]

alison alive coz shes mafia

-tutuu

Honestly probably just clearing for PC.

@Golden given our POE yesterday ended up netting a wolf, shouldn't we just like, keep using it?

Counterpoint… Alison was quite happy with it, so maybe it didn’t include *many* partners.

But I still think it’s a good starting point for discussion. I mighta been wrong about svs.

[EnderWiggin]

I am also forgotten in the final list lel

[MacDougall]

I am also forgotten in the final list lel

Conflicted, middle ground. Multiple thoughts. Can't pinpoint read.

[MacDougall]

I put me heart and soul into that post god dang it and all i get is "you forgot so and so".

I give, and I give.

I am sick of this anti Australian rhetoric.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: Lily] aubergine

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Lily knows your pocketable and she's not being towny outside it at all

[MacDougall]

Lily knows your pocketable and she's not being towny outside it at all

Yes that is verbatim something from that post. I assume you read it?

[Golden]

@Golden was it not you who said that Alison got Guillo out of the POE, several times?

Makes ya think.

Yep. I was happy to let Alison take him out of the PoE, but I was always very specific about the reason why I was agreeing.

Guillo still ticks all the boxes for me.

[MacDougall]

@Golden was it not you who said that Alison got Guillo out of the POE, several times?

Makes ya think.

Yep. I was happy to let Alison take him out of the PoE, but I was always very specific about the reason why I was agreeing.

Guillo still ticks all the boxes for me.

As in you think he's a wolf?

[MacDougall]

Btw Golden the makes ya think was sussing him not you, in case you thought I was saying that.

[Golden]

I think that Golden and Kate are wolves on the other mafia team btw.

not implausible. alison wanted golden dead all game (im unsure if she changed her read). if so, sig would be with them and he shot her

I absolutely think town sig literally never shoots Alison and anyone who believes that is seriously misleading people.

this ties it up neatly

kate, golden, neon, sig - non-soup mafia. they both have 2 vigs (neon and sig)

soup mafia has: sabi, seanzie, alison, +1. 2 vigs (seanzie and the last unknown one, that alison covered for)

in this case they would be two identical teams, maybe even the same roles

Screw the tinfoil hats, this is a full tinfoil suit

I don’t hate it.

You should. Imagine the noise.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Lily knows your pocketable and she's not being towny outside it at all

Yes that is verbatim something from that post. I assume you read it?

I did read it. I'm agreeing with you I suppose. I've used pocketing you to great success in games lily has towned in.

I also think wolfs have someone who knows I'm just as much a risk to town as a benefit especially with a gun.

[Golden]

@MacDougall You were the one who originally said you thought HK was town and wanted to take him out of the POE, right? What did you see in him?

he told someone to fuck off

Is that really a towntell for him?

Honestly it kind of has been fairly reliable but I don't think it's enough for this particular game and it's use by date has expired.

Alison, spewing Hollowkatt town while attempting to undermine my townread on him.

Concur this is a good look for HK

[Golden]

last unknown one is obviously Scotty btw.

the unkown one killed pyxxy during the night

scotty killed iawy during the day

i suppose its not impossible for a role to be both day and night vig but im unsure. not rly experienced with nook game design

Someone has the ability to give guns. Whether or not that is a multi use ability is to be seen.

If it is multi use, I would expect someone got another silent shot to use today.

Does Scotty know who yet? Can we get him to take three guesses?

[EnderWiggin]

I will add I pointed out most of that spew before Mac did.

Tired of this anti-Australian erasure. =P

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Jesus fuck what is this game I'm at almost 500 posts and not even close to top poster and I was top poster D1

It's your fault I've lost my crown. Nobody wants to respond to my fluff even when it's funny.

[MacDougall]

You guys aren't praising my glorious post enough. I feel unloved.

[MacDougall]

Jesus fuck what is this game I'm at almost 500 posts and not even close to top poster and I was top poster D1

It's your fault I've lost my crown. Nobody wants to respond to my fluff even when it's funny.

You're my top town and the person whose reads strike me as the most accurate tbh.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Jesus fuck what is this game I'm at almost 500 posts and not even close to top poster and I was top poster D1

It's your fault I've lost my crown. Nobody wants to respond to my fluff even when it's funny.

You're my top town and the person whose reads strike me as the most accurate tbh.

Aww thank you.

Your post was very enlightening I just have no idea how to respond to it. I'm not like a spew reader I'm not an isoer I'm not a town leader

I agree with most of it

[falcon45ca]

You guys aren't praising my glorious post enough. I feel unloved.

Which one would that be?

[EnderWiggin]

You guys aren't praising my glorious post enough. I feel unloved.

We bow down before your magnificence, oh lord. For thine light shineth on our asses and make us grateful of our deliverence.

But no seriously it was a good post. I'm just still working so I was just like "It's good" and moved on.

[RondoDimBuckle]

If Sean is mafia KP I think we turbo Rondo

Timing of his big attention grabbing slapfight that tried to bait Mac into voting him when Seanzie was in danger would be much too suspicious

This is an out and out misrepresentation of what occurred. What in the hell?

This is clearing for Rondo (and Mac).

Is this past mac or current Mac?

[MacDougall]

Party Crasher
Lilypetal
Urist
Dyslexicon
Scotty
MR
SVS

I wish to arbitrarily remove party crasher out of this. So I am.

Removed.

Lilypetal
Urist
Dyslexicon
Scotty
MR
SVS

Tell me family, who do you wish to arbitrarily remove from it?

Scotto, SVS, MR, Dyslexicon ... Lily.

I think I wanna arbitrarily remove Urist from it. I do have a pretty strong gut townread.

Removed.

Lilypetal
Dyslexicon
Scotty
MR
SVS

Behold, today's POE. Similar but different to yesterday's POE. Let's solve these 5 first.

[MacDougall]

If Sean is mafia KP I think we turbo Rondo

Timing of his big attention grabbing slapfight that tried to bait Mac into voting him when Seanzie was in danger would be much too suspicious

This is an out and out misrepresentation of what occurred. What in the hell?

This is clearing for Rondo (and Mac).

Is this past mac or current Mac?

Current Mac.

[MacDougall]

You guys aren't praising my glorious post enough. I feel unloved.

Which one would that be?

viewtopic.php?t=2471&start=8350#p1017151

I did it for the benefit of the people. I live to serve.

[Golden]

Hey @MacDougall just checking in because I’m reading your trustfall post and you were confbiasing me for a bit so you might have missed it but…

Did you see, within my roleclaim, my specific deal re Alison. I neighboured her because i thought she was wolf and my day 2 plan was to try to convince her I needed to be shot because it would kill her.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle ask me to explain myself in terms of the specific things I've done that you take issue with please.

Individually you're fine but your day start today was all over the place and interesting. I would have to re-read your iso for specifics but generally people pushing me yesterday are the people I am suspect of. BUT also the people pushing me yesterday are also free of TMI BUT you would know that and its a wifom party on if you are wolf or not. I am not going to push you atm I have bigger fish to fry like how Scotty looked terrible trying to save Seanzie at eod if people have been posting correctly and I have been reading it correctly too

[Golden]

My towncoring of Alison was convenient. Either she was actually town and we got the benefit, or my read was right and maybe I’d get the outcome I was looking for.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I see Ender is voting Dizzy over me, interesting

[MacDougall]

Hey @MacDougall just checking in because I’m reading your trustfall post and you were confbiasing me for a bit so you might have missed it but…

Did you see, within my roleclaim, my specific deal re Alison. I neighboured her because i thought she was wolf and my day 2 plan was to try to convince her I needed to be shot because it would kill her.

I sorta knew that but thanks for clarifying.

This makes sig much more likely to be wolf, but...

Also...

Do you think he is? Do you think that's what happened?

I'm totally down to yolo this shiz cuz I am still baffled how he makes that shot straight up.

[RondoDimBuckle]

To be honest, I basically didn’t read much of any of it because it did present that way (my brain was like, oh, this is definitely what people do with MY posts lol).

Tonally it felt t/t

I have an intense desire to destroy you for this. My blood is boiling.

I can tell. And you’ve lost sight of the town core.

We have far too little info to say who's actually town in the town core I'd say at this stage...but who's your town core anyhow?

I have posted it before. I made waves by including you in it.

I’m a good town hunter. Can there be a deepwolf in there? Yeah, but I’d be surprised if there’s more than one.

My town core is me, Mac, Alison, neon, you, nut. People I personally also trust, but exclude from the ‘core’ because others aren’t necessarily listening to them, are Kate, scotty, Lily.

I will repeat. Alison is not in the towncore. She egregiously mischaracterised the nature of our interaction in order to defend a probable wolf. This is not towny for anyone and especially not Alison whose wolf playbook has "spin absolute bs to shield partners and make assailant look like a moron" as one of her prime directives as a wolf.

Me, kicking Alison out of the towncore for undermining my case on Rondo.

eh there is an edge case that sig was told by Alison to shoot her so you could turbo him and look golden boy but that is a world I dont want to think about till FX

[MacDougall]

@RondoDimBuckle ask me to explain myself in terms of the specific things I've done that you take issue with please.

Individually you're fine but your day start today was all over the place and interesting. I would have to re-read your iso for specifics but generally people pushing me yesterday are the people I am suspect of. BUT also the people pushing me yesterday are also free of TMI BUT you would know that and its a wifom party on if you are wolf or not. I am not going to push you atm I have bigger fish to fry like how Scotty looked terrible trying to save Seanzie at eod if people have been posting correctly and I have been reading it correctly too

Scotty is someone I have been actively pursuing the destruction of today.

Others include;

Dyslexicon
Master Radishes
SVS
and you're actually a pretty good Lilypetal reader from memory. What do you think o' that?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo is quite likely clear from being soup mafia. If we are solving soup mafia, we can stop pushing him. Seanzie quite clearly tried to persuade people to move to him, and there was a lot of CFD nonsense occurring. Alison also literally said "if Seanzie is mafia KP then we turbo Rondo" which shows that she was planning for the reality that Seanzie was going down and was probably just trying to take a town down with him.

pog you finally figured it out it was the former not the latter

[MacDougall]

I have an intense desire to destroy you for this. My blood is boiling.

I can tell. And you’ve lost sight of the town core.

We have far too little info to say who's actually town in the town core I'd say at this stage...but who's your town core anyhow?

I have posted it before. I made waves by including you in it.

I’m a good town hunter. Can there be a deepwolf in there? Yeah, but I’d be surprised if there’s more than one.

My town core is me, Mac, Alison, neon, you, nut. People I personally also trust, but exclude from the ‘core’ because others aren’t necessarily listening to them, are Kate, scotty, Lily.

I will repeat. Alison is not in the towncore. She egregiously mischaracterised the nature of our interaction in order to defend a probable wolf. This is not towny for anyone and especially not Alison whose wolf playbook has "spin absolute bs to shield partners and make assailant look like a moron" as one of her prime directives as a wolf.

Me, kicking Alison out of the towncore for undermining my case on Rondo.

eh there is an edge case that sig was told by Alison to shoot her so you could turbo him and look golden boy but that is a world I dont want to think about till FX

"Hey sig, you should kill me even though I'm deep, instead of a strong town that's really fucking us over, so that Mac can bus you for cred."

Fuck ... me.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Thats the summary of my case that Alison described as a slapfight and said I voted Rondo because he baited me btw. I think it's pretty evidence my suspicion was based on case making not a baiting. Rondo tried to plead with me not to vote him. I have no idea how she arrived at the idea he tried to bait me.

Hahaha you think I pelased with you not to vote me? I knew as soon as you started that push it was going to end with you trying to get me to CFD you (Am I using that right?) I knew it was going to end with you voting me and rallying town. Thats why It was so hilarious to me.

Spare me the antagonistic stuff dude I don't care. You're just wasting energy. Play mafia. Talking to Mac from the past is never a good use of time when my perspectives change as often as they do.

Please people I cannot stress this enough, don't assume that the posts you are reading me make during catch up are my current thoughts.

You made em, you gotta answer for them just like I do. Just wait for them to catch up instead of yelling at them constantly

[Golden]

Hey @MacDougall just checking in because I’m reading your trustfall post and you were confbiasing me for a bit so you might have missed it but…

Did you see, within my roleclaim, my specific deal re Alison. I neighboured her because i thought she was wolf and my day 2 plan was to try to convince her I needed to be shot because it would kill her.

I sorta knew that but thanks for clarifying.

This makes sig much more likely to be wolf, but...

Also...

Do you think he is? Do you think that's what happened?

I'm totally down to yolo this shiz cuz I am still baffled how he makes that shot straight up.

My instinct says no, it’s just sig being sig, especially because I think Alison maybe would have preferred continued access and a Nutella kill would have, from her perspective, ensured the neighbourhood didn’t grow. But I think it’s worth proper consideration.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I'm fine clearing Rondo he wasn't even in the list of people I'm currently trying to understand reads in

But no seriously it's always probably Rondo

Agreed.

It fits Allison attempt to deep wolf.

I’m thinking rondo, scotty, and two more As the mafia team.

Those two are big question marks for me but I think one is also deep wolfing

The fact that Alison and Sabi were trying to soft pair me with them and Seanzie was trying to save his own skin with mine doesnt clear me is hilarious. but go on.

It really does clear you.

And so does your townie entitlement.

I'm convinced.

Now let's find mafia.

I better not get shot

[RondoDimBuckle]

I had Alison as lock clear in my solving notes based on her treatment of Seanzie and am stunned to see they were teammates because I only had her plausible mafia with a Rondo team that Seanzie is not on. I don't understand why she played the way she did and it implies at least somewhat that their team preferred Seanzie to die over Rondo. Which baffles me because it definitely didn't seem like Rondo really wanted Seanzie to die and Seanzie seemed to want Rondo to die. So ultimately I can only chalk it up to Alison was simply hard townsiding to go deep. If a town killed Alison I would consider it one of the best vig shots I've ever seen.

Idk she didnt seem that townie lol but I agree she was playing to go deep

Let me be clear, I obviously didn't think she was towny because I exercised doubt on her at multiple points in day 2 and even went all ree at her for misrepresenting my case on Rondo (do y'all remember that, it was a whole thing that pissed Golden off etc.).

I just thought she was insanely clear from Seanzie specifically to the degree that made me drop all of my suspicion. It wasn't just that she voted him, it was that she did so in such a casual way that I felt like she had zero agenda. And he was wolf KP to boot, and he tried to survive and kill Rondo who I had already determined Alison would be mafia with.

Now that Alison is mafia, let's talk about why she went to great lengths to mischaracterise the nature of the Rondo/Mac interactions to benefit Rondo and why a mafia Alison would do that for a non teammate?

Restating how hilarious it is that Mac thinks I can still be wolf after Seanzie + Alison + Sabi all flipped wolves and how they played around me and I around them

It's not hilarious, so much as it is plausible.



Sabi & Alison's deaths were not exactly predictable, and you've been POE for a spell. It wouldn't be against their deepwolf interest to join the voices against you.

wait are you saying I am town and Mac is deep wolf here? Not trying to misrepresent just get an accurate reading

[MacDougall]

Hey @MacDougall just checking in because I’m reading your trustfall post and you were confbiasing me for a bit so you might have missed it but…

Did you see, within my roleclaim, my specific deal re Alison. I neighboured her because i thought she was wolf and my day 2 plan was to try to convince her I needed to be shot because it would kill her.

I sorta knew that but thanks for clarifying.

This makes sig much more likely to be wolf, but...

Also...

Do you think he is? Do you think that's what happened?

I'm totally down to yolo this shiz cuz I am still baffled how he makes that shot straight up.

My instinct says no, it’s just sig being sig, especially because I think Alison maybe would have preferred continued access and a Nutella kill would have, from her perspective, ensured the neighbourhood didn’t grow. But I think it’s worth proper consideration.

Soooooooooo...

Can sig shoot again or is he claiming that he has no more shots?

Hey that reminds me, a LOT of people were pushing to keep Seanzie alive and "leash his shot", there's probably woofs there.

[RondoDimBuckle]

If Rondo is clearing Urist off some unspeakable mech I am lost

its not so much mech as I want him to live for a few more days for reasons.tm it might be bad but I dont feel scum from Urist

[Golden]

@Golden was it not you who said that Alison got Guillo out of the POE, several times?

Makes ya think.

Yep. I was happy to let Alison take him out of the PoE, but I was always very specific about the reason why I was agreeing.

Guillo still ticks all the boxes for me.

As in you think he's a wolf?

Yeah, I see no reason why not.

From the very start I said there was wolves in the Kate sceptics and the people who claimed they wanted to slank until the game was smaller. Guillo was both.

And, btw, Seanzie and Alison were both in the Kate sceptic category. Challenging me on that town read in particular was always wolfy behaviour. Guillo, Urist and scotty are the other three who did.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo is town

Which means Urist is town

Mac is town

Golden is town

Ender is town

I'm town

Let's fucking solve this game together guys through the power of unity.

Anyone of my town reads could be 3p I'm ignoring that for now

Which means Urist is likely town I am not certain I just want a serious case on him before I am willing to yeet him today

Enders gun schenanigans are probably towny. Seeing what people do with guns will tell him a lot and I want to know what he has uncovered @EnderWiggin

[MacDougall]

Holy shitburgers. When you keyword search a thread, you can then keyword search the results. I never knew that.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Voters: Marmot, Dyslexicon, Party Crasher

I bet you one of these are wolf and I'm clearing Marmot for now so

the way party crasher has treated me yesterday and today before town opinion swung in my favour felt opportunistic so I wont shield anymore

[RondoDimBuckle]

Voters: Marmot, Dyslexicon, Party Crasher

I bet you one of these are wolf and I'm clearing Marmot for now so

If one of these is a wolf, I'd say it's Dizzy atm in light of the posts Mac brought up on this page.

wait, where?

[Golden]

Hey @MacDougall just checking in because I’m reading your trustfall post and you were confbiasing me for a bit so you might have missed it but…

Did you see, within my roleclaim, my specific deal re Alison. I neighboured her because i thought she was wolf and my day 2 plan was to try to convince her I needed to be shot because it would kill her.

I sorta knew that but thanks for clarifying.

This makes sig much more likely to be wolf, but...

Also...

Do you think he is? Do you think that's what happened?

I'm totally down to yolo this shiz cuz I am still baffled how he makes that shot straight up.

My instinct says no, it’s just sig being sig, especially because I think Alison maybe would have preferred continued access and a Nutella kill would have, from her perspective, ensured the neighbourhood didn’t grow. But I think it’s worth proper consideration.

Soooooooooo...

Can sig shoot again or is he claiming that he has no more shots?

Hey that reminds me, a LOT of people were pushing to keep Seanzie alive and "leash his shot", there's probably woofs there.

I think that lot of people was just me, maybe, and I skipped out on that view after Sean said he wasn’t willing to be leashed.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Mmm.

I still think Rondo is lost wolf. Which is why the wolf team played around him like that.

But it's entirely possible I've confbiased myself into it.

Also I know that there's at least one non-lost wolf so fuck it, let's hunt them instead.

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine

Wasn't your read of him based on his behavior, not other players' play around him?

Yes?

I don't understand what you mean by "the wolf team playing around him".

Also, what about his play makes you think he's a lost wolf? That's a read that seems specific and hard to make based on play, given a LW wouldn't actually know what teammates they're playing around.

I am quite good at social queues but this is a forum game so he knows as hitler in secret hitler I am able to figure out my team pretty fast

[EnderWiggin]

Mmm.

I still think Rondo is lost wolf. Which is why the wolf team played around him like that.

But it's entirely possible I've confbiased myself into it.

Also I know that there's at least one non-lost wolf so fuck it, let's hunt them instead.

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine

Wasn't your read of him based on his behavior, not other players' play around him?

Yes?

I don't understand what you mean by "the wolf team playing around him".

Also, what about his play makes you think he's a lost wolf? That's a read that seems specific and hard to make based on play, given a LW wouldn't actually know what teammates they're playing around.

I am quite good at social queues but this is a forum game so he knows as hitler in secret hitler I am able to figure out my team pretty fast

Social cues.