Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[RondoDimBuckle]

ok any final questions? I am going to bed

[Porscha]

Ok ok @Neon @Porscha since its nice and boring and I am about to go to bed so I may as well let you know. I am a cop I have checked some people and I have put them in a secret neighbourhood and the two of them who are still alive will be able to tell you all if I die. So thats why I have been messing around looking all screwy and why it started on D2. I am not going to say who is in there and I am not going to tell you who I checked because then we can use that information in FX to RECK wolves. I die? They tell, they die? I tell. For now I have just been jazzing in the POE like @EnderWiggin has said.

So if and when you die what is going to cause those individuals to reveal any useful information such as their alignments?

I trust that at least one of them has to be town, there has been enough time that a wolf would have ended me by now for what I can do. They will go with the plan and I trust them to follow through. If they dont then I will take my licks

Um... alright I still dont entirely understand how this is fool proof or why youd need to trust that at least 1 of them is town when you've already claimed to have checked them as a cop (or should I assume you only see role title and not alignment?) But ok lol

no I checked other people, not the people I am in the neighbourhood with. I claimed to them and didnt die so its highly likely they are 3p or town

Ooooooooooooooohkay. And they know who you checked. And you think they wont screw you over even if you die and will remain truthful.

correct. They check and balance each other. So unless they have been fucking with me and are both wolves or both 3p same faction its highly unlikely both are bad

Yes it would be extremely funny if that was the case
But what might be worse is if you plus the 1 other town in the trio died in the same night and then we were fed incorrect info

[sig]

Ok ok @Neon @Porscha since its nice and boring and I am about to go to bed so I may as well let you know. I am a cop I have checked some people and I have put them in a secret neighbourhood and the two of them who are still alive will be able to tell you all if I die. So thats why I have been messing around looking all screwy and why it started on D2. I am not going to say who is in there and I am not going to tell you who I checked because then we can use that information in FX to RECK wolves. I die? They tell, they die? I tell. For now I have just been jazzing in the POE like @EnderWiggin has said.

Okay well I like this better than a 7 person D&D server,

Do you rhink golden also has a neighborhood or is this why you don’t believe his claim

[RondoDimBuckle]

Ok ok @Neon @Porscha since its nice and boring and I am about to go to bed so I may as well let you know. I am a cop I have checked some people and I have put them in a secret neighbourhood and the two of them who are still alive will be able to tell you all if I die. So thats why I have been messing around looking all screwy and why it started on D2. I am not going to say who is in there and I am not going to tell you who I checked because then we can use that information in FX to RECK wolves. I die? They tell, they die? I tell. For now I have just been jazzing in the POE like @EnderWiggin has said.

Okay well I like this better than a 7 person D&D server,

Do you rhink golden also has a neighborhood or is this why you don’t believe his claim

there have been so many doubles I wont discredit him for that. Its more that I didnt hear anyone backing him up. I think I saw some bath and forth today about it so I am letting him be and letting them decide how to deal with him

[RondoDimBuckle]

so yeah, I believe I self resolve pretty well

[RondoDimBuckle]

or perhaps I am lying again. Come on wolves, lets test me

[Porscha]

I still maintain michelle should kill ender for the fun of it

[sig]

I still maintain michelle should kill ender for the fun of it

I love the idea just for the chaos.

If we get a consensus non town read on PC I think they’d be a good slot also to axe.

[Michelle]

@Neon what is your town to mafia ratio now? 2:1? If you hit another town I am killing you

You said youre self resolving. So, resolve

-t 3/100

no, I dont wanna. You cant make me.

@Michelle please shoot rondo. He claimed to be self resolving even if he dies. Well now hes refusing to resolve or do or say anything

-t 5/100

Porscha's pressure was enough, i let him be because he has fun

I still maintain michelle should kill ender for the fun of it

If i am sure is fun for him as well :shrug

[EnderWiggin]

Why can't you be more like MacDougall, now there is a good town vigilante.

Honestly kinda wanna advocate for your shot just for comments like this. *Rolls eyes*

[EnderWiggin]

@Golden whats your opinion on keeping town vigs alive in positions where youre mafia and youre really deep and you know they wont shoot you?

-t 12/100

They aren't that deep since I spent most of lay night debating shooting 112 or Golden

And i only chose 112 because of how I was treated after shooting a Creature that wasn't even that towny.

But funny enough I'm being treated just as poorly for shooting into the PoE by people now lol

Im not calling you bad as in the game. I am saying I am getting tinfoil on you. But Mac said you're town so I am going to try and not let it set in

Neon should have no tinfoil.

Stop that.

[EnderWiggin]

Did mafia shoot mac because they thought he'd be confirmed after shooting Scotty?

I haven’t been reading the thread. Are people actually pondering that the Mac kill is strange?

I'm actually rethinking my Urist read because some of the thoughts today have been bad.tm.

[EnderWiggin]

Did mafia shoot mac because they thought he'd be confirmed after shooting Scotty?

I haven’t been reading the thread. Are people actually pondering that the Mac kill is strange?

No. However, there are multiple people who have shot mafia at this point. Why aren't they dying?

Killing crux organisation that allows shooters to hit mafia accurately > Shooters themselves.

[EnderWiggin]

Btw if Rondo hasn't self-resolved by the time I catch up I am going to find that a very bad look.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Btw if Rondo hasn't self-resolved by the time I catch up I am going to find that a very bad look.

well lucky for you

[EnderWiggin]

Oh btw I also hope Golden has pointed out at least one new member of his neighbourhood because I'm pondering that one too.

[EnderWiggin]

Tell you what Urist.

There’s a member of the dnd server currently in my neighbourhood.

I have specifically said they can tell your server. They can also verify I was in there, with Alison, alone.

Once you have that, I would ask you under what circumstances, if I’m wolf neighbourhood, I would neighbour Alison first.

Okay nm if we have confirmation on this then Golden just clear 100%

[EnderWiggin]

@Golden whats your opinion on keeping town vigs alive in positions where youre mafia and youre really deep and you know they wont shoot you?

-t 12/100

They aren't that deep since I spent most of lay night debating shooting 112 or Golden

And i only chose 112 because of how I was treated after shooting a Creature that wasn't even that towny.

But funny enough I'm being treated just as poorly for shooting into the PoE by people now lol

Im not calling you bad as in the game. I am saying I am getting tinfoil on you. But Mac said you're town so I am going to try and not let it set in

I literally shot into the established PoE...

Mac was calling 112 in his town meta if I remember correctly, I was hoping you would shoot svs / scotty. But you're right you did shoot into the POE

Neither SVS or Scotty were on my list last night

I had 112 Rondo Golden Porscha and Michelle as choices.

Honestly, if you shot Michelle I'd've been mad.

[EnderWiggin]

Well anyway Michelle has a gun today.

No i have a suicide bomb
Why did you give me this?

Wtf.

I literally give a gun two nights and now it gives a Suicide bomb when I finally give it to someone I wanna keep around.

[EnderWiggin]

Well anyway Michelle has a gun today.

No i have a suicide bomb
Why did you give me this?

LOL, I was grumpy Ender lied. But now it makes sense. I would have took him with me 100% of the time, wolf or no

This is wolf Rondo 90% of the time.

What is this.

[EnderWiggin]

Well anyway Michelle has a gun today.

No i have a suicide bomb
Why did you give me this?

LOL, I was grumpy Ender lied. But now it makes sense. I would have took him with me 100% of the time, wolf or no

He claimed he gave me a suicide vest?

no he said last night he was giving me a gun. I didnt fully expect him to give me a gun. But not going to lie, disappointed I dont have a gun. Now my threat to PC is empty

That was a joke.

[Michelle]

Well anyway Michelle has a gun today.

No i have a suicide bomb
Why did you give me this?

Wtf.

I literally give a gun two nights and now it gives a Suicide bomb when I finally give it to someone I wanna keep around.

So you didn't know, right?

Help me find the best shot pls

[EnderWiggin]

Honestly actually kinda annoyed at my role if I can give suicide vests and just didn't give it until now :/

[EnderWiggin]

Well anyway Michelle has a gun today.

No i have a suicide bomb
Why did you give me this?

Wtf.

I literally give a gun two nights and now it gives a Suicide bomb when I finally give it to someone I wanna keep around.

So you didn't know, right?

Help me find the best shot pls

I have no clue exactly how my ability works tbh.

So yeah.

Just finishing catching up but happy to try and work out a good target list.

[Michelle]

That would be bastard game though, is this game supposed to be bastard?

[EnderWiggin]

Wilgy shouldn't be a shot ever.

[EnderWiggin]

guys. and girls. i feel like at least 1, or maybe 2 of you are not understanding how neon's role works. when she says "choice" she means her role mechanically restricts her from choosing to shoot whoever she wants. she cant do that. she is given some criteria that she has no control over. and she can choose from that list only.

-t

Honestly i don't care. She is not town

I fucking dare you to shoot me.

Right now you've got a gun so take it put it to my head and pull the trigger.

You shade me because you don't understand what I'm saying it's explained to you and you say oh still wolf ignoring everything

If I'm a wolf pull the trigger and when I flip town can slam the noose over you because if there's a wolf between us it's never me. It's the one shading someone actually clearing the poe

Hey don't worry we die together, my so called gun is a suicide vest
Ender let me down with his action on me. Why give a town read a suicide vest? That's asinine

Hmm... maybe I've cleared Ender to easily.

Just stay in the pocket okay.

[EnderWiggin]

Anyway I do not know what all this urist commotion is about

this is all sloonei has to say why are u guys giving him a pass lol its so absurd

he's not making reads, all he will do this day is make some witty comments and be cute and u guys wont wanna kill him coz u have a crush on him thats literally it

-t

Because SVS has been actively anti town

As pointed out by me somewhere in a spoiler

svs offered her life by voting mac and she buried marmot

-t

SVS is probably 3p but never Soup so we shouldn't be going there today.

[EnderWiggin]

guys. and girls. i feel like at least 1, or maybe 2 of you are not understanding how neon's role works. when she says "choice" she means her role mechanically restricts her from choosing to shoot whoever she wants. she cant do that. she is given some criteria that she has no control over. and she can choose from that list only.

-t

Honestly i don't care. She is not town

I fucking dare you to shoot me.

Right now you've got a gun so take it put it to my head and pull the trigger.

You shade me because you don't understand what I'm saying it's explained to you and you say oh still wolf ignoring everything

If I'm a wolf pull the trigger and when I flip town can slam the noose over you because if there's a wolf between us it's never me. It's the one shading someone actually clearing the poe

Hey don't worry we die together, my so called gun is a suicide vest
Ender let me down with his action on me. Why give a town read a suicide vest? That's asinine

maybe he didnt think you are town. @EnderWiggin

I did. I am pissed at my role rn.

[EnderWiggin]

I guess I'm going back to giving POE my ability lel.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I know its not the case but I would crack up if Michelle was a wolf and we win the game because of Ender being a nonce with his ability

[EnderWiggin]

guys. and girls. i feel like at least 1, or maybe 2 of you are not understanding how neon's role works. when she says "choice" she means her role mechanically restricts her from choosing to shoot whoever she wants. she cant do that. she is given some criteria that she has no control over. and she can choose from that list only.

-t

Honestly i don't care. She is not town

I fucking dare you to shoot me.

Right now you've got a gun so take it put it to my head and pull the trigger.

You shade me because you don't understand what I'm saying it's explained to you and you say oh still wolf ignoring everything

If I'm a wolf pull the trigger and when I flip town can slam the noose over you because if there's a wolf between us it's never me. It's the one shading someone actually clearing the poe

Hey don't worry we die together, my so called gun is a suicide vest
Ender let me down with his action on me. Why give a town read a suicide vest? That's asinine

maybe he didnt think you are town. @EnderWiggin

Nah, he can't misread me if he is town

Do you remember D1 of the Hydra game when I couldn't find you town? I reckon I can get there anyway in most games but I'm not perfect at it tbh. I mean I got there this game pretty quickly but just saying I absolutely can get it wrong.

[EnderWiggin]

I should say here the DnD chat don't suspect Sloonei

Who told me I should shot him anyway?

I was one of them I think.

Sloonei has felt disconnected and I figure could be a good target tbh.

[EnderWiggin]

I’m also ever so slightly paranoid about golden and Urist

Golden is probably soup mafia sooo you're right to be paranoid there yes

Tell me more, i suspect Golden as well, but what makes you put him in soup mafia?

I have a very strong read that Golden is NOT Soup.

And I wanna hit a Soup today if possible.

[EnderWiggin]

guys. and girls. i feel like at least 1, or maybe 2 of you are not understanding how neon's role works. when she says "choice" she means her role mechanically restricts her from choosing to shoot whoever she wants. she cant do that. she is given some criteria that she has no control over. and she can choose from that list only.

-t

Honestly i don't care. She is not town

I fucking dare you to shoot me.

Right now you've got a gun so take it put it to my head and pull the trigger.

You shade me because you don't understand what I'm saying it's explained to you and you say oh still wolf ignoring everything

If I'm a wolf pull the trigger and when I flip town can slam the noose over you because if there's a wolf between us it's never me. It's the one shading someone actually clearing the poe

Hey don't worry we die together, my so called gun is a suicide vest
Ender let me down with his action on me. Why give a town read a suicide vest? That's asinine

Hmm... maybe I've cleared Ender to easily.

I'm like 99% sure ender also gave wilgy the gun when he tr'd wilgy... like hard tr'd wilgy more than anyone else at that point in the game tbh

Yeah, but a lot of people scumread Wilgy so I wanted to if my ability did something different at least hit a target that would force people to re-eval.

Then after 2 guns in a row I was like "OKAY I CAN GIVE IT TO A TOWNREAD."

Lolme.

[Michelle]

I should say here the DnD chat don't suspect Sloonei

Who told me I should shot him anyway?

I was one of them I think.

Sloonei has felt disconnected and I figure could be a good target tbh.

If you buy Rondo's claim, then no

[S~V~S]

Both Kate and SVS also look very good from Marmot's flip. Both have been on Marmot throughout the game, and they both suggested Marmot as my shot last day iirc.

Can SVS be a mate bussing? The team showed a high bussing activity

Wow that would be some extreme bussing. I ISO'd them (when they were getting no suspish from anyone else iirc) voted for them repeatedly, tried to get a vig to kill them, argued with the town leader that Marmot was bad, very seriously expected to get shot last night becasue Neon seemed very irate that I thought Marmot was bad. I was pretty shocked she killed someone else, tbh. And pissing the vig off is a pretty bad idea in general. But OK I'm Marmots teammate, lol.

I have heard people say bastard game, but what exactly is that? The host throws in a secret twist?

I always thought the point of a vig is to kill baddies, not sort out possible town. We've had two baddies vigged this game; this is like an extra chop round. I know this makes me look hopelessly old fashioned and I don't care

And I am gonna put in my vote for @Dyslexicon to vig Marmot.

They are the person I most find bad, they keep wiggling their way out of it. I think being a fruit vendor is a good, innocuous role to hide behind. I think their interactions with Sabi were super sketch, and I think they slipped up when comparing Neons game here to her bad game in Holes, which led me to compare Marmot here to Holes, and yeah, not the same Marmot.

Marmot is always town here and I will die on that hill.

Is this why I have votes? I bussed Marmot?

Or is it the lack of fire and WIM? Basically I'm LHF? We don't know how to slot her so let's kill her?

I am not on soup or any "lost wolf" group, I haven't killed anyone, I am not 3P. But even if I was 3P, I would think we need to drill down who is the (Probable?) last soup, maybe try looking in people who didn't aggressively try to kill one of them? The only fire and aggression I've shown or felt in the game, BTW. This game people have been clearing Marmot becasue a known teammate voted for them OVER another known teammate with a kill, as opposed to marmots trees. And I tried very hard to get rid of them, but I'm bussing, lol.

On a tangent, @Party Crasher why are you voting for sig? Afaik, he's lock town. When he killed Alison, I was not a fan of all the posts implying sig could not have just gotten a lucky shot through some astute reading. It's why I pulled the tie breaker out (Scotty pulled it out first, iirc, I brought it back out when people kept annoying trying to tie the wagons). It all felt kinda condescending at the time, "Oh Alison fooled me, no way i could be as simple as she didn't fool sig, and he shot her." Why is it so unbelievable that sig shot Alison? It's like people never heard of Occams Razor this game.

OK, gonna read back to when i went out last night. I should be here pretty much all day.

[EnderWiggin]

Scotty should never be Soup unless they decided to actually have TWO soup vote mac yesterday.

Which feels weird af

Nah, what feels right is marmot expected scotty to die and took an unnecessary risk.

I could kinda see this hm.

[EnderWiggin]

I should say here the DnD chat don't suspect Sloonei

Who told me I should shot him anyway?

I was one of them I think.

Sloonei has felt disconnected and I figure could be a good target tbh.

If you buy Rondo's claim, then no

Haven't seen his claim yet so I'll respond when I do.

[Michelle]

I’m also ever so slightly paranoid about golden and Urist

Golden is probably soup mafia sooo you're right to be paranoid there yes

Tell me more, i suspect Golden as well, but what makes you put him in soup mafia?

I have a very strong read that Golden is NOT Soup.

And I wanna hit a Soup today if possible.

Golden is scum imo but the best course for him is the chop, and that's not in my power to do
I want to kill mafia as well

[EnderWiggin]

Ok ok @Neon @Porscha since its nice and boring and I am about to go to bed so I may as well let you know. I am a cop I have checked some people and I have put them in a secret neighbourhood and the two of them who are still alive will be able to tell you all if I die. So thats why I have been messing around looking all screwy and why it started on D2. I am not going to say who is in there and I am not going to tell you who I checked because then we can use that information in FX to RECK wolves. I die? They tell, they die? I tell. For now I have just been jazzing in the POE like @EnderWiggin has said.

So you're both a cop (Powerful role) and a neighbouriser FOR your cop-checks (Powerful role)

Wtf is this claim.

[S~V~S]

Anyway I do not know what all this urist commotion is about

this is all sloonei has to say why are u guys giving him a pass lol its so absurd

he's not making reads, all he will do this day is make some witty comments and be cute and u guys wont wanna kill him coz u have a crush on him thats literally it

-t

Because SVS has been actively anti town

As pointed out by me somewhere in a spoiler

*I'VE* been actively anti town.


I haven't killed a single civ, Neon.

Can you point out this spoiler, somewhere, please? I would like to see how my complete inability to keep up has been actively anti town.

[Michelle]

Both Kate and SVS also look very good from Marmot's flip. Both have been on Marmot throughout the game, and they both suggested Marmot as my shot last day iirc.

Can SVS be a mate bussing? The team showed a high bussing activity

Wow that would be some extreme bussing. I ISO'd them (when they were getting no suspish from anyone else iirc) voted for them repeatedly, tried to get a vig to kill them, argued with the town leader that Marmot was bad, very seriously expected to get shot last night becasue Neon seemed very irate that I thought Marmot was bad. I was pretty shocked she killed someone else, tbh. And pissing the vig off is a pretty bad idea in general. But OK I'm Marmots teammate, lol.

I have heard people say bastard game, but what exactly is that? The host throws in a secret twist?

I always thought the point of a vig is to kill baddies, not sort out possible town. We've had two baddies vigged this game; this is like an extra chop round. I know this makes me look hopelessly old fashioned and I don't care

And I am gonna put in my vote for @Dyslexicon to vig Marmot.

They are the person I most find bad, they keep wiggling their way out of it. I think being a fruit vendor is a good, innocuous role to hide behind. I think their interactions with Sabi were super sketch, and I think they slipped up when comparing Neons game here to her bad game in Holes, which led me to compare Marmot here to Holes, and yeah, not the same Marmot.

Marmot is always town here and I will die on that hill.

Is this why I have votes? I bussed Marmot?

Or is it the lack of fire and WIM? Basically I'm LHF? We don't know how to slot her so let's kill her?

I am not on soup or any "lost wolf" group, I haven't killed anyone, I am not 3P. But even if I was 3P, I would think we need to drill down who is the (Probable?) last soup, maybe try looking in people who didn't aggressively try to kill one of them? The only fire and aggression I've shown or felt in the game, BTW. This game people have been clearing Marmot becasue a known teammate voted for them OVER another known teammate with a kill, as opposed to marmots trees. And I tried very hard to get rid of them, but I'm bussing, lol.

On a tangent, @Party Crasher why are you voting for sig? Afaik, he's lock town. When he killed Alison, I was not a fan of all the posts implying sig could not have just gotten a lucky shot through some astute reading. It's why I pulled the tie breaker out (Scotty pulled it out first, iirc, I brought it back out when people kept annoying trying to tie the wagons). It all felt kinda condescending at the time, "Oh Alison fooled me, no way i could be as simple as she didn't fool sig, and he shot her." Why is it so unbelievable that sig shot Alison? It's like people never heard of Occams Razor this game.

OK, gonna read back to when i went out last night. I should be here pretty much all day.

Ok, you're not soup mafia, i get it

Maybe sig could claim a shot who wasn't his, what do you thnk about P#10302?

[S~V~S]

guys. and girls. i feel like at least 1, or maybe 2 of you are not understanding how neon's role works. when she says "choice" she means her role mechanically restricts her from choosing to shoot whoever she wants. she cant do that. she is given some criteria that she has no control over. and she can choose from that list only.

-t

Ah, so this is why she did not shoot me last night.

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

Sig being a normal vig that specifically can shoot on n2 only doesnt track with the design of the other roles imo. It sticks out like a sore thumb

I've been thinking about this. But I don't think he claims the Alison kill if he didn't make it?

Wait, what if Alison died to a Kiwi Townie?

But how would they know

I don't think Sig is mafia.

@Dyslexicon this was my theory

-t 15/100

Oh. That is possible. I don't really know how to find a lost wolf who doesn't know their teammates. But I do agree that Sig's claim stands out

Marmot suggested Pyxxy was shot by Creature btw, so that's probably it

The poll should be between Guillotine, Golden, Scotty and SVS. I want no exceptions.

SVS offered to die to mac (and went and voted him) and she buried marmot

-t 17/100

I think S~V~S is hard unpaired from soup mafia.

But yeah they could be 3p.

Some quotes during catch up, to help me with my choice

[EnderWiggin]

@Michelle What do you think of a shot POE of

Porscha
Guillo
Scotty
Maybe Sig
Maybe Dizzy

Any of those you'd hard take out?

Anyone you REALLY want to include in a shot POE?

I have reason to believe that list has some soup in it.

[EnderWiggin]

I am playing around with sussing Rondo again but idk if it's just because I hate how he's played this.

[Michelle]

@Michelle What do you think of a shot POE of

Porscha
Guillo
Scotty
Maybe Sig
Maybe Dizzy

Any of those you'd hard take out?

Anyone you REALLY want to include in a shot POE?

I have reason to believe that list has some soup in it.

I have a strong TR for Dizzy. I am not 100% convinced but also i don't want to shot him

Porscha was in Mac's TRs, so don't think is a good shot and i liked her tone in the convo with Rondo earlier

Guillo is afk, idk, maybe town vig can use a shot on him

So Scotty and Sig are the best from the list for me and i have no read on them

[Michelle]

I am playing around with sussing Rondo again but idk if it's just because I hate how he's played this.

Same for me, is incredible how much midmeld we have

[EnderWiggin]

@Michelle What do you think of a shot POE of

Porscha
Guillo
Scotty
Maybe Sig
Maybe Dizzy

Any of those you'd hard take out?

Anyone you REALLY want to include in a shot POE?

I have reason to believe that list has some soup in it.

I have a strong TR for Dizzy. I am not 100% convinced but also i don't want to shot him

Porscha was in Mac's TRs, so don't think is a good shot and i liked her tone in the convo with Rondo earlier

Guillo is afk, idk, maybe town vig can use a shot on him

So Scotty and Sig are the best from the list for me and i have no read on them

I am in the same boat on Dizzy except this day phase I'm not as confident.

But it could just be me losing confidence in my own reads lel.

Porscha sure I can give respect to Mac for. I just haven't felt like I've vibed with her solving today.

Guillo is just a non-factor that I hate.

Sig "shot" a mafia with a one-shot kill. But if Golden was telling the truth it could be him taking advantage of having tried to kill Golden.

Scotty was also voting Mac with Marmot at EOD, which is bold if both are mafia.

But they could've been sacrificing Scotty to give Marmot more towncred.

That's the two biggest arguments I can think of with regards to those two.