Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[Golden]

The other possibility here is it genuinely is PC and I’m clearing them for the wrong reasons. But that just seems so unlikely.

I also am about 85% in the camp of clearing Party Crasher for several strong but not rock-solid reasons, and 15% wondering if I'm making a mistake there.

But if they’ve been honest, we can only pop them without their best stepping in at lylo and I’m quite convinced there isn’t a pair here… everyone is paranoid of everyone.

[Golden]

Actually I just went back and read my own role.

It’s not lylo.

It’s if it ends the game. So if pc is the last wolf I think one shot would kill them.

[Sloonei]

Actually I just went back and read my own role.

It’s not lylo.

It’s if it ends the game. So if pc is the last wolf I think one shot would kill them.

huh?

[Golden]

Actually I just went back and read my own role.

It’s not lylo.

It’s if it ends the game. So if pc is the last wolf I think one shot would kill them.

huh?

PC claimed the same thing about his bulletproof vest as mine, which I have been conceiving as ‘doesn’t work at lylo’ in my head but I just realised that’s not quite correct.

[Golden]

Also, notably, svs’s bulletproof vest does not appear to have that stipulation.

[Party Crasher]

@Party Crasher @Porscha What do you think of Golden claiming that he faked a town read on Alison to win her trust?

I'm fine with it, that's not on the list of things about him that look suspicious to me

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for us:

I believe that a mafia role that has 1-shot lynch immunity is pretty frustrating and anti-fun, and the game is all about having lots of kills, lots of death, its supposed to be fun

we dont have a single doctor or a protective role and a roleblocker

there also already flipped a mafia with a vest

its not very consistent from a game design perspective to have that death event yesterday, and also a mafia role that just wastes the town chop if its pre-lylo

goc is about taking memorable roles from previous game, and our gimmick was that we were just supposed to be an NPC

i can pull up some quotes that i think look good on us. i called out alison for claiming kp d1 and living, it convinced nutella and she went ham on her too before laying back. i did similarly to marmot too. and i had a scotty and lily townreads when they were sussed, but they were shaky and i lacked confidence, so i can understand dizzy finding them as TMI. but i was right!!

most mafia thought we were 3p. they were all pretty confused by us. that lead a lot of town to being convinced we're townspewed - mac, ender

i can pull up quotes if needed

but if u take a look at most mafia readslists, they have us as either "3p" or "question mark" or something like that

-t

[Party Crasher]

yeah sloonei in case u missed it

our "vest" extends to not just normal death, but to getting chopped once lol (we claimed it pretty early, day 2 i think, maybe day 3) (it falls off in lylo)

-t

[Golden]

yeah sloonei in case u missed it

our "vest" extends to not just normal death, but to getting chopped once lol (we claimed it pretty early, day 2 i think, maybe day 3) (it falls off in lylo)

-t

Mine doesn't extend to getting chopped.

And I want you to double check. Is it lylo, or just if it ends the game?

[Party Crasher]

so from this pov, u might wanna consider not chopping us coz

if we're mafia:

1) if its 3v2 lylo, u could chop us, but u could also chop the other mafia

2) if its 4v1, the chop gets wasted, we dont get a flip, 3v1 mylo tomorrow

whereas if we chop town today, tomorrow if its 2v1 lylo, our shield will be worn off, so u can kill us with one chop if we're mafia

(thats if we're hypotehtically mafia)

and obviously if we're town (which we are) its pretty bad to waste the chop on us, not only coz we're town, but u know, coz it doesnt even get a flip

-t

[Golden]

but if u take a look at most mafia readslists, they have us as either "3p" or "question mark" or something like that

-t

This is majorly indicative imo.

Wolves would naturally assume that your role is someone they can push and get elimmed if they need to.

[Party Crasher]

yeah sloonei in case u missed it

our "vest" extends to not just normal death, but to getting chopped once lol (we claimed it pretty early, day 2 i think, maybe day 3) (it falls off in lylo)

-t

Mine doesn't extend to getting chopped.

And I want you to double check. Is it lylo, or just if it ends the game?

lylo and ends the game is interchangable when it comes to getting chopped during the day

during the night, our vest should still work even if us getting shot would otherwise end the game. it doesnt make sense not to, thats how bp vests always work, and ours is standard in that regard. ours isnt a redirect like yours, ours is pretty simple. its just the first time we die, we dont (and it extends to chop) (but not lylo)

-t

[Golden]

yeah sloonei in case u missed it

our "vest" extends to not just normal death, but to getting chopped once lol (we claimed it pretty early, day 2 i think, maybe day 3) (it falls off in lylo)

-t

Mine doesn't extend to getting chopped.

And I want you to double check. Is it lylo, or just if it ends the game?

lylo and ends the game is interchangable when it comes to getting chopped during the day

during the night, our vest should still work even if us getting shot would otherwise end the game. it doesnt make sense not to, thats how bp vests always work, and ours is standard in that regard. ours isnt a redirect like yours, ours is pretty simple. its just the first time we die, we dont (and it extends to chop) (but not lylo)

-t

This is a townderp.

If it’s 4v1, it’s not lylo but chopping the wolf still ends the game.

I think PC would be viscerally aware of this if wolf.

[Party Crasher]

our protection also would have saved us from the death event

-t

[Golden]

I don’t think it’s PC.

I think it really does HAVE to be Porscha.

[Party Crasher]

yeah sloonei in case u missed it

our "vest" extends to not just normal death, but to getting chopped once lol (we claimed it pretty early, day 2 i think, maybe day 3) (it falls off in lylo)

-t

Mine doesn't extend to getting chopped.

And I want you to double check. Is it lylo, or just if it ends the game?

lylo and ends the game is interchangable when it comes to getting chopped during the day

during the night, our vest should still work even if us getting shot would otherwise end the game. it doesnt make sense not to, thats how bp vests always work, and ours is standard in that regard. ours isnt a redirect like yours, ours is pretty simple. its just the first time we die, we dont (and it extends to chop) (but not lylo)

-t

This is a townderp.

If it’s 4v1, it’s not lylo but chopping the wolf still ends the game.

I think PC would be viscerally aware of this if wolf.

well butter my biscuits, im impressed as fuck

-t

[Party Crasher]

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

[Sloonei]

I don’t think it’s PC.

I think it really does HAVE to be Porscha.

Why isn’t it dizzy?

[Golden]

I don’t think it’s PC.

I think it really does HAVE to be Porscha.

Why isn’t it dizzy?

Porscha -> Dizzy
Dizzy -> Porscha

Honestly either way, if there's only one NK overnight we win the game.

But I'm just really convinced it isn't Dizzy. Dizzy just acts and feels like my absolute mirror this game. Every time he's been feeling a way in the thread, it's been replication of how I'm feeling. Every time he's on a wolf he doesn't nail the wolf to the wall because he's paranoid he's wrong. I'll find a post I made about him in yesterday's day phase.

[Golden]

Reminds me of my own town game:

1) hasn’t caught any wolves
2) townreads everyone
3) tilted at being called a liar
4) understands the need to create town momentum in the thread but can’t work out how and just ends up forlornly saying ‘I really am town’ a lot.

Never been roasted so fiercely in my life lol
I actually have caught wolves. I caught Marmot, and also I listened to Nut on Sean, which I'm pretty happy with, because I think listening is something I do well, in my good moments.

I mean I also caught marmot on day 2 and I caught Alison but, yknow, I mean nailing one to a wall in a clearing kinda way.

This exchange @Sloonei

[Sloonei]

@Dyslexicon When you're awake and here, what are your best reasons to town read everybody?

[Sloonei]

Reminds me of my own town game:

1) hasn’t caught any wolves
2) townreads everyone
3) tilted at being called a liar
4) understands the need to create town momentum in the thread but can’t work out how and just ends up forlornly saying ‘I really am town’ a lot.

Never been roasted so fiercely in my life lol
I actually have caught wolves. I caught Marmot, and also I listened to Nut on Sean, which I'm pretty happy with, because I think listening is something I do well, in my good moments.

I mean I also caught marmot on day 2 and I caught Alison but, yknow, I mean nailing one to a wall in a clearing kinda way.

This exchange @Sloonei

Noted

[Party Crasher]

I don’t think it’s PC.

I think it really does HAVE to be Porscha.

Why isn’t it dizzy?

Wolf dizzy couldn't have forced Ender to vote him in order to have 2 votes to fake claim American Town. He had no control really, he never begged to be voted off

If Dizzy is wolf, he was fake softing his role and then got extremely lucky by Ender just randomly deciding to vote park him, without Dizzy ever telling anyone "please vote me"

I feel like Porscha is the lost wolf. Her claim is so bad. She's an inventor that forgot to submit an action on 2 nights, and when she did successfully submit, her target received nothing. The main pack wolves had good claims (see SVS). Porscha probably didn't have access to main chat

-t

[Sloonei]

It is 3 AM, I need to be asleep. I'll be spending more time digging through all your ISOs tomorrow. If you're town, just keep on being town.

[Porscha]

@Party Crasher @Porscha What do you think of Golden claiming that he faked a town read on Alison to win her trust?

As I recall reading it, I did not really like it but it wasnt enough for me to reverse my read

[Porscha]

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

No need to be lazy about it

[Porscha]

I don’t think it’s PC.

I think it really does HAVE to be Porscha.

Why isn’t it dizzy?

Porscha -> Dizzy
Dizzy -> Porscha

Honestly either way, if there's only one NK overnight we win the game.

But I'm just really convinced it isn't Dizzy. Dizzy just acts and feels like my absolute mirror this game. Every time he's been feeling a way in the thread, it's been replication of how I'm feeling. Every time he's on a wolf he doesn't nail the wolf to the wall because he's paranoid he's wrong. I'll find a post I made about him in yesterday's day phase.

You're just getting pocketed cuz you like seeing yourself in the dizzy mirror? Sigh

[Porscha]

I don’t think it’s PC.

I think it really does HAVE to be Porscha.

Why isn’t it dizzy?

Wolf dizzy couldn't have forced Ender to vote him in order to have 2 votes to fake claim American Town. He had no control really, he never begged to be voted off

If Dizzy is wolf, he was fake softing his role and then got extremely lucky by Ender just randomly deciding to vote park him, without Dizzy ever telling anyone "please vote me"

I feel like Porscha is the lost wolf. Her claim is so bad. She's an inventor that forgot to submit an action on 2 nights, and when she did successfully submit, her target received nothing. The main pack wolves had good claims (see SVS). Porscha probably didn't have access to main chat

-t

Its mildy insulting for you to believe I literally couldnt have some up with something directly out of my buttcheeks that could have sounded better
I could have lied about forgetting to use my ability
You think I said what I said and softed my role in enders role because I'm paranoid of being sr'd for my claim?

I know it isnt fucking good. But I'm not going to lie about it because I dont feel the pressure to do so. I could still lie about it as town to avoid getting chopped too but I'm aware that would be a poor decision at this point in the game

I will be honest about my role, what I know about it, and how I didnt use it every night. It's up to you if you believe I would do this as a wolf when it would be just as easy to make up a role and also not embarrass myself by admitting how useless the role and myself have been in using it

[Porscha]

Did sloonei give info about his role? Me forget

[Porscha]

yeah sloonei in case u missed it

our "vest" extends to not just normal death, but to getting chopped once lol (we claimed it pretty early, day 2 i think, maybe day 3) (it falls off in lylo)

-t

Mine doesn't extend to getting chopped.

And I want you to double check. Is it lylo, or just if it ends the game?

lylo and ends the game is interchangable when it comes to getting chopped during the day

during the night, our vest should still work even if us getting shot would otherwise end the game. it doesnt make sense not to, thats how bp vests always work, and ours is standard in that regard. ours isnt a redirect like yours, ours is pretty simple. its just the first time we die, we dont (and it extends to chop) (but not lylo)

-t

This is a townderp.

If it’s 4v1, it’s not lylo but chopping the wolf still ends the game.

I think PC would be viscerally aware of this if wolf.

As pc said, I'm also impressed.

So impressed I have to ask why you seemed so aware of it?

[Golden]

yeah sloonei in case u missed it

our "vest" extends to not just normal death, but to getting chopped once lol (we claimed it pretty early, day 2 i think, maybe day 3) (it falls off in lylo)

-t

Mine doesn't extend to getting chopped.

And I want you to double check. Is it lylo, or just if it ends the game?

lylo and ends the game is interchangable when it comes to getting chopped during the day

during the night, our vest should still work even if us getting shot would otherwise end the game. it doesnt make sense not to, thats how bp vests always work, and ours is standard in that regard. ours isnt a redirect like yours, ours is pretty simple. its just the first time we die, we dont (and it extends to chop) (but not lylo)

-t

This is a townderp.

If it’s 4v1, it’s not lylo but chopping the wolf still ends the game.

I think PC would be viscerally aware of this if wolf.

As pc said, I'm also impressed.

So impressed I have to ask why you seemed so aware of it?

If this isn't wolfing I don't know what is.

[Golden]

The other possibility here is it genuinely is PC and I’m clearing them for the wrong reasons. But that just seems so unlikely.

The other possibility here is it genuinely is PC and I’m clearing them for the wrong reasons. But that just seems so unlikely.

I also am about 85% in the camp of clearing Party Crasher for several strong but not rock-solid reasons, and 15% wondering if I'm making a mistake there.

But if they’ve been honest, we can only pop them without their best stepping in at lylo and I’m quite convinced there isn’t a pair here… everyone is paranoid of everyone.

Actually I just went back and read my own role.

It’s not lylo.

It’s if it ends the game. So if pc is the last wolf I think one shot would kill them.

Here's my progression, over the course of 6 minutes.

"Gah, Porscha does feel town, maybe I should tinfoil PC"
"Nah, even if its PC, elimming them today is pointless"
"Wait... I don't think my role actually said lylo, I should check."
"No, it doesn't, it says if it ends the game, and I think there's only one wolf, so I don't need to worry about their vest."

Pretty basic thought process, actually. One PC didn't independently think through specifically because they (unlike me) didn't actually have to solve 'what do we do about the person who survives an elim'.

[Golden]

However...

This is a townderp.

If it’s 4v1, it’s not lylo but chopping the wolf still ends the game.

I think PC would be viscerally aware of this if wolf.

As pc said, I'm also impressed.

So impressed I have to ask why you seemed so aware of it?

This is the post of someone who is feeling cornered.

The language of "I have to ask you" is so contrived... it's like a cartoon pointing finger.

It accepts at face value the PC town clear, but ignores all of the build up.

Tutuu was impressed because I baited her into a townclear, and she could see my working.

I'm not baiting Tutuu into a townclear, based on info that (outside of PC) only I possess, if wolf, at final 5. That's just not happening.

[Golden]

Am I confbiasing at this point? Yeah, probably.

But my confidence in the solve is amping up.

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

[Golden]

(I think the response of t!Porscha to the PC town clear is a dizzy vote not a golden tinfoil).

[Porscha]

yeah sloonei in case u missed it

our "vest" extends to not just normal death, but to getting chopped once lol (we claimed it pretty early, day 2 i think, maybe day 3) (it falls off in lylo)

-t

Mine doesn't extend to getting chopped.

And I want you to double check. Is it lylo, or just if it ends the game?

lylo and ends the game is interchangable when it comes to getting chopped during the day

during the night, our vest should still work even if us getting shot would otherwise end the game. it doesnt make sense not to, thats how bp vests always work, and ours is standard in that regard. ours isnt a redirect like yours, ours is pretty simple. its just the first time we die, we dont (and it extends to chop) (but not lylo)

-t

This is a townderp.

If it’s 4v1, it’s not lylo but chopping the wolf still ends the game.

I think PC would be viscerally aware of this if wolf.

As pc said, I'm also impressed.

So impressed I have to ask why you seemed so aware of it?

If this isn't wolfing I don't know what is.

Huh?

[Porscha]

(I think the response of t!Porscha to the PC town clear is a dizzy vote not a golden tinfoil).

I am doing my due diligence here that's all this is

I'm obviously not using an agenda to push any specific player which at this point the wolf should be having to do a little more to cinch the ML and keep eyes off of them if they are subtle enough about it

So I'm sure you understand why I'm becoming a little more wary of you as you keep repeatedly posting about me and how I have to be the last wolf

[Porscha]

The other possibility here is it genuinely is PC and I’m clearing them for the wrong reasons. But that just seems so unlikely.

The other possibility here is it genuinely is PC and I’m clearing them for the wrong reasons. But that just seems so unlikely.

I also am about 85% in the camp of clearing Party Crasher for several strong but not rock-solid reasons, and 15% wondering if I'm making a mistake there.

But if they’ve been honest, we can only pop them without their best stepping in at lylo and I’m quite convinced there isn’t a pair here… everyone is paranoid of everyone.

Actually I just went back and read my own role.

It’s not lylo.

It’s if it ends the game. So if pc is the last wolf I think one shot would kill them.

Here's my progression, over the course of 6 minutes.

"Gah, Porscha does feel town, maybe I should tinfoil PC"
"Nah, even if its PC, elimming them today is pointless"
"Wait... I don't think my role actually said lylo, I should check."
"No, it doesn't, it says if it ends the game, and I think there's only one wolf, so I don't need to worry about their vest."

Pretty basic thought process, actually. One PC didn't independently think through specifically because they (unlike me) didn't actually have to solve 'what do we do about the person who survives an elim'.

Mmm... it makes more sense when I consider you also have a vest and I do not

[Dyslexicon]

Not really here but

Is there anyway to game mechanics to lock the game or save time or is it too risky? If PC is telling the truth, they are chop proof, we would need two rounds to chop them. Going PC doesn't even lose if town, probably? And if they are mafia lying, then lol. Golden claims he can protect from NK, if I understood that correctly? Porscha claims to give out something, but nobody has gotten anything? Can this be confirmed. Sloonei is confirmed town anyway, unless Rondo has been lying, which I'm not even going to consider an option. This is really half baked

[Dyslexicon]

Not really here but

Is there anyway to game mechanics to lock the game or save time or is it too risky? If PC is telling the truth, they are chop proof, we would need two rounds to chop them. Going PC doesn't even lose if town, probably? And if they are mafia lying, then lol. Golden claims he can protect from NK, if I understood that correctly? Porscha claims to give out something, but nobody has gotten anything? Can this be confirmed. Sloonei is confirmed town anyway, unless Rondo has been lying, which I'm not even going to consider an option. This is really half baked

Might be too risky, cause unknown mechanics. But I don't believe we have two wolves left. Wondering if there is a possibility here

[Porscha]

(I think the response of t!Porscha to the PC town clear is a dizzy vote not a golden tinfoil).

Also lol @ this being a similar post to pc refering to my very simple and not shading question as "shading"

Yeah that's me the guy trying to make sure we arent letting ppl slide by, must be wolfing lmao

If we arent asking questions and covering bases then wtf are we doing? Not doing due diligence

Like there is a lot of pressure here. If we can find someone today that there is even a remote sense of consensus on, it will be a miracle

[Dyslexicon]

Every time I'm thinking about the game it goes from thinking everyone is town to everyone being possible mafia and back again. I really want to trust Golden. That's the read I'm banking on

[Porscha]

However...

This is a townderp.

If it’s 4v1, it’s not lylo but chopping the wolf still ends the game.

I think PC would be viscerally aware of this if wolf.

As pc said, I'm also impressed.

So impressed I have to ask why you seemed so aware of it?

This is the post of someone who is feeling cornered.

The language of "I have to ask you" is so contrived... it's like a cartoon pointing finger.

It accepts at face value the PC town clear, but ignores all of the build up.

Tutuu was impressed because I baited her into a townclear, and she could see my working.

I'm not baiting Tutuu into a townclear, based on info that (outside of PC) only I possess, if wolf, at final 5. That's just not happening.

Mhm. I didnt see it as a bait. I was impressed you noticed the mindset slips and because I didnt, I wondered why you were so keen to catch it

[Dyslexicon]

I'll answer stuff when I get home tonight

[Porscha]

Every time I'm thinking about the game it goes from thinking everyone is town to everyone being possible mafia and back again. I really want to trust Golden. That's the read I'm banking on

Why not pc or sloonei?

[Party Crasher]

Not really here but

Is there anyway to game mechanics to lock the game or save time or is it too risky? If PC is telling the truth, they are chop proof, we would need two rounds to chop them. Going PC doesn't even lose if town, probably? And if they are mafia lying, then lol. Golden claims he can protect from NK, if I understood that correctly? Porscha claims to give out something, but nobody has gotten anything? Can this be confirmed. Sloonei is confirmed town anyway, unless Rondo has been lying, which I'm not even going to consider an option. This is really half baked

im chop proof only before LyLo

meaning if u chop me now and its 4v1, u get no flip, and u chop me tomorrow again - cool, but thats 1 actual kill in 2 chops

whereas

we can chop anyone else today

and if we miss, u can chop me tomorrow and instantly kill me if im mafia. that's 2 kills for 2 chops

i havent thought about it much how this looks from an outside pov that doesnt have confirmation im town (like i do), but,

if u just roughly crunch some numbers based on gut, i feel like u should come to the conclusion that chopping me today might me the -EV, right? or whatevers the term. like statistically the worst chop (as it accomplishes nothing, unless u think im lying)

and if we are at 3v2 lylo and u think im mafia u can always chop my partner in Golden/Porscha from your pov @Dyslexicon

-t

[Porscha]

Not really here but

Is there anyway to game mechanics to lock the game or save time or is it too risky? If PC is telling the truth, they are chop proof, we would need two rounds to chop them. Going PC doesn't even lose if town, probably? And if they are mafia lying, then lol. Golden claims he can protect from NK, if I understood that correctly? Porscha claims to give out something, but nobody has gotten anything? Can this be confirmed. Sloonei is confirmed town anyway, unless Rondo has been lying, which I'm not even going to consider an option. This is really half baked

In theory going PC doesnt lose us the game but if we happened to be in lylo then it would

Golden can only protect against nk on his own neighbors if he has 2 neighbors which he does not

Yes your question in me is accurate, please refer to my post asking ender if received my email to which he confirms he did not, I also dont know that mac happened to mention recieving anything day 2 or not

I think sloonei is only wolf not from rondo lying but from unknown mechanics screwing up rondos check

[Party Crasher]

yea to put it in a more concise way @Dyslexicon

if we are at 3v2, its an unnecessary risk to chop me first (what if im town? and its actually 4v1) (talking from your pov, assuming ur town, as if im you right now)

if we are at 4v1, and chop me today, we would be using both of our remaining chops to kill me, where instead we can use both of those chops to kill me AND another person beforehand

if im the sole mafia remaining, and we chop a town today, that only loses for town and wins for hypotethical mafia me if i pull a random kill out of my ass tonight

but ... mafia has had no unexplained KP the entire game except the urist and kate day kills. there have been 0 extra NKs. for many many nights now. so i think its somewhat safe to assume last mafia wont pull a random extra NK out of ass

-t

[Sloonei]

yea to put it in a more concise way @Dyslexicon

if we are at 3v2, its an unnecessary risk to chop me first (what if im town? and its actually 4v1) (talking from your pov, assuming ur town, as if im you right now)

if we are at 4v1, and chop me today, we would be using both of our remaining chops to kill me, where instead we can use both of those chops to kill me AND another person beforehand

if im the sole mafia remaining, and we chop a town today, that only loses for town and wins for hypotethical mafia me if i pull a random kill out of my ass tonight

but ... mafia has had no unexplained KP the entire game except the urist and kate day kills. there have been 0 extra NKs. for many many nights now. so i think its somewhat safe to assume last mafia wont pull a random extra NK out of ass

-t

Part of me is concerned about how hard you are working to make this point.

[Party Crasher]

Part of me is concerned about how hard you are working to make this point.

im just trying my best to help us win

im too lazy / tired / burnt out in isoing people

so i decided thats the best i can offer atm

-t

[Party Crasher]

i have posted 3420 messages in our hydra chat

-t