notorious hedgehog 14 player mafia game wow! game thread [game over mafia won]

[Seanzie]

Hey - just popping in to say i wont be participating for this eod - sorry!

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Ive never in my life deliberately planned to end the day without voting, but i dont want to be making an uninformed vote. I have no real scumreads

Apologies if this is anti-town, it just feels better than a random vote to me, and i will participate and vote in all future eods

oh lol. you are killing me.

It's anti-town but it feels guenine I guess.

[VOTE: Dr. Wilgy] aubergine

what do you mean? they took their vote off of you

I don't like this post.

I was specifically referring to le petit's first line and im not sure how you are interpreting it. I'm just stating facts. tutuu was voting le petit, and then tutuu got off le petit, therefore in a literal sense doing the opposite of killing him.

Unless he meant "you are killing me" as a form of expression which is possible

Oh, I was interpreting it as like "You're saying moving a vote off you is anti-town? You must have scumslipped then." which is very level 0, maybe even -1.

[Le petit poussin]

Like. I almost really feel that LPP or Pyxxy is correct wagon.

LPP advising Lucy to stop posting and step back for a second along with the seconding of Seanzies argument for T Lucy just isn't sitting right the more I think on it.

It's like you'd get good little town points for the take if Lucy is teammate or not. If Lucy is a teammate you defended them, if not you were at least "correct".

LPP has trended up for me recently, but I'm not sure if I could pinpoint a specific reason for it. I still think Pyxxy is probably fine, so I recommend you find better wagons or do a better job of convicing me on these ones.

Implying I need to convince others to my read I still think is faulty. I provide the data and assuming you are without agenda it's in your best interest to gauge and judge it however.

You provide what? You shaded me, I asked you to post the quotes which triggered ur post. You replied with another 3 shade-post.

[Cape90]

i still don't really think it's le petit.

[Le petit poussin]

prolly not voting sheep, syn, porscha today.

what made u add syn here to the list?

let me dig it ( started off as a meta read but I think a post made me add him, brb)

[Cape90]

@Syn: did u read the whole thing? Can u talk to me about your other SRs? if any

in rondo we trust (until he fucks up, then all my homies hate rondo)

also I generally agree with scum-reading tutuu, lucy, and wilgy

my volume read on wilgy wasn't just noise. his presence and goading feels off

tutuu is too conciliatory and very focused on redirecting attention elsewhere

iv'e never heard of a reverse SBPC read

[Cape90]

tl;dr: by the way she is

are you good at reading lucy?

idk who lucy is

in general I don't put much stock into meta unless someone is saying something wildly incorrect (like raskol being bad at wolfing lmao)

and I'm not sure I'd believe that argument here anyway since other people who do know lucy are scum-reading her as well

ok
Do you think people have good reasons to townread you?

is anyone townreading me?

i don't care about people's reasons to townread me if they do, though (unless it's wildly incorrect; are you noticing a trend here)

idk I feel like i've seen a couple people townread you, especially rondo while I didn't really see it when I read your ISO

rondo's tr on me is 100% fake

i got the vibe it was real just because you were not associated with lucy and at least that much is pretty clear

[Porscha]

Would this be a gut fear read on me Porscha?

Your feeling is one that I recall you having in Hott Fuzz where I went out of my way to pocket you. Am I doing the same here or something resembling that?

Wilgy I always have a gut fear read on you

And honestly dont remember the game enough to remark if it feels the same as of right now... I recall your pocketing forcibly came from me hounding you down before in clashing 1v1, we have not had this experience yet in this game so I dunno

Aye, and I don't think that situation will happen this game as you seem to just be rand town.

Which you've noted upon since very early in the game and it makes me suspicious of you

Idk, dude I don't think you are super difficult to find as town.

There have been multiple games where we are t/t and you have trouble finding me so finding me early on day 1 is in fact weird to me

Eh, even when that happens it's often because volume tells are missing.

It's not missing this game

Mmmmm I've got my eye on you

[Le petit poussin]

prolly not voting sheep, syn, porscha today.

what made u add syn here to the list?

let me dig it ( started off as a meta read but I think a post made me add him, brb)

oh it's the streak of posts from #1229 on. It's not a particular one, it's the willingness to work with someone else and share reads (some of which I was sharing at the time), which would be ez for w!Syn to just refuse to and skate by. Not locking it but not going there toDay smh.

[robyn]

hello le petite twink, hru?

[RondoDimBuckle]

@Syn are you gonna offer any fucking analysis or critical thinking or are you gonna brainlessly vote a townie all fucking cycle and offer 0 other contribution

Ma'am do you know how hard you were ATEing? This is a low ATE zone. Im going to have to fine you

[Cape90]

AtE doesn't become fake simply because a wolf is doing it. it can be real and they can still be a wolf. it changes nothing about the utility of chopping them. stepping back and giving someone a pass because they had a public cry (whether real or fake) makes no sense and is bad

Yeah, but the way lucy has bounced so much around since she AtE'd was sloppy and I was thinking it was town indicative only because I have done similar as town, I would argue I was more sloppy and more doing what lucy was doing at the same time as solving moreso then just doomposting to just solve-ish posting

[robyn]

@Syn are you gonna offer any fucking analysis or critical thinking or are you gonna brainlessly vote a townie all fucking cycle and offer 0 other contribution

Ma'am do you know how hard you were ATEing? This is a low ATE zone. Im going to have to fine you

he's done nothing but vote me and push other obv towns, his play is offensive unless he's a wolf, he should be copped regardless

[Cape90]

im on the fence with Syn so I would need something to convince me he's town

[robyn]

chopped*

[Cape90]

prolly not voting sheep, syn, porscha today.

what made u add syn here to the list?

let me dig it ( started off as a meta read but I think a post made me add him, brb)

oh it's the streak of posts from #1229 on. It's not a particular one, it's the willingness to work with someone else and share reads (some of which I was sharing at the time), which would be ez for w!Syn to just refuse to and skate by. Not locking it but not going there toDay smh.

okay, I did have a better feeling about Syn's later posts. I felt somewhat okay with Syn saying that I was town, but I do like to seek reasons, which Syn kinda lacked

[Le petit poussin]

Hey - just popping in to say i wont be participating for this eod - sorry!

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Ive never in my life deliberately planned to end the day without voting, but i dont want to be making an uninformed vote. I have no real scumreads

Apologies if this is anti-town, it just feels better than a random vote to me, and i will participate and vote in all future eods

oh lol. you are killing me.

It's anti-town but it feels guenine I guess.

[VOTE: Dr. Wilgy] aubergine

what do you mean? they took their vote off of you

Sorry, most often than not I fail to type all the needed words.

not voting is anti-town. It deprives town from their sole kp by increasing the wolves vote control.

Still, I thought tuttuu's "Ive never in my life deliberately planned to end the day without voting, but i dont want to be making an uninformed vote. I have no real scumreads" was guenine and I am not going to wifom everything D1 so yeah, I switched to another slot that needs pressure imo.

[DrWilgy]

LPP feels 30% informed on the things I've read from their slot. Lost C or W. Not sure which.

quote the posts pls

Nothing to inherently quote but more so a series that resulted in this thought process.

Of all the things that you chewed into on my posting, it was a Syn read that happened in like my first 8 posts during RVS still.

Thus at least on my data it seems that you saw 1 layer deep and didn't go further.

The next thing was how in spite of you joining thread while the Rondo/Lucy scadoodle was hot, I didn't see any takes of yours on the subject until Seanzie put it into words only prompted by my asking.

It all makes it feel like you are just level 1 ing everything.

Thing is it was u posting readlists during rvs, calling out Syn for bad reasons, etc. You justifying it with "but someone gotta end rvs". But now it was during RVS still and I am level1 for reading it?

What's your other shade already? why should I have something to say when I wake up to 800 posts and the few I read live are people literally insulting each others lol?

Yes, because your read on me didn't expand beyond that whatsoever. I've added plenty to the thread and you focus on a miniscule happening in the first page and never evolved beyond it.

Because having something to say is how town advance the game? You had posted plenty before getting to affirm the Seanzie post, I don't see why it had to come only at that juncture.

So again, it feels like you are only surface deep.

[RondoDimBuckle]

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[robyn]

from where i sit, syn being wolf mean i don't get chopped and rondo hard evaluates. funnily enough i also think there are good odds that he is a wolf because of his narrow focus (spew management) and because he's just done absolutely nothing. so it's in my best interest to chop such a -EV player

[Cape90]

Hey - just popping in to say i wont be participating for this eod - sorry!

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Ive never in my life deliberately planned to end the day without voting, but i dont want to be making an uninformed vote. I have no real scumreads

Apologies if this is anti-town, it just feels better than a random vote to me, and i will participate and vote in all future eods

oh lol. you are killing me.

It's anti-town but it feels guenine I guess.

[VOTE: Dr. Wilgy] aubergine

what do you mean? they took their vote off of you

Sorry, most often than not I fail to type all the needed words.

not voting is anti-town. It deprives town from their sole kp by increasing the wolves vote control.

Still, I thought tuttuu's "Ive never in my life deliberately planned to end the day without voting, but i dont want to be making an uninformed vote. I have no real scumreads" was guenine and I am not going to wifom everything D1 so yeah, I switched to another slot that needs pressure imo.

well i mean, if tutuu left day 1 and had their vote still on you, you should find this inherently anti town because you yourself knows that you are town right?.......


Riiiiiiiiight??????

[pyxxy]

catching up. I read to around #850 last night? but uh I was pretty uncomfortable with the neon lucy rondo situation. hoping something has settled from that

probably going to miss eod, being dragged to a plant sale

noted

back

they all went to the plant sale without me T.T

distracted bc watching college basketball rn

[Le petit poussin]

cape is lock town imo and i have a tentative tr on neon

to answer both of u (cape and porscha):

i dont know how to read wilgy. all i know is that he likes to chill. he's all about the chill. i thought that him making 5 reads and a vote 1 hour into the game means he's more interested / engaged than usual, and i thought it might be towny, hence i also put a question mark

i was going to vote with my queen lucy but i really like pyxxy he's really fun and he likes me a lot too it would break my heart to vote him for now so ill vote with cape

(i just clicked on the poll to vote for whoever he's voting and i literally forgot who it is as im writing this but it doesnt matter)

i was going to vote with my queen lucy but i really like pyxxy he's really fun and he likes me a lot too it would break my heart to vote him for now so ill vote with cape

(i just clicked on the poll to vote for whoever he's voting and i literally forgot who it is as im writing this but it doesnt matter)

towny post

Impressive streak tutuu. So cape is lock town because wat? Post 244 I presume. Then out of this literal mech clear, u hand him ur vote???

double voting with your townreads is really not an unheard of thing, you know that right?

When it's obvious your TR didn't missread a post yeah ( )

[robyn]

i never vote bereft/wigly out today

[DrWilgy]

Like. I almost really feel that LPP or Pyxxy is correct wagon.

LPP advising Lucy to stop posting and step back for a second along with the seconding of Seanzies argument for T Lucy just isn't sitting right the more I think on it.

It's like you'd get good little town points for the take if Lucy is teammate or not. If Lucy is a teammate you defended them, if not you were at least "correct".

LPP has trended up for me recently, but I'm not sure if I could pinpoint a specific reason for it. I still think Pyxxy is probably fine, so I recommend you find better wagons or do a better job of convicing me on these ones.

Implying I need to convince others to my read I still think is faulty. I provide the data and assuming you are without agenda it's in your best interest to gauge and judge it however.

No one is without agenda. If you're thinking of moving off Bereft onto LPP or Pyxxy, imo the gamestate will get worse. Maybe I'm wrong on one of them, and if I am, I am open to hearing more, but I hope you're also willing to consider my thoughts and judge them however.

I am. I just don't know if I do agree. I think it's coming from a place of sincerity at least as it stands.

[Le petit poussin]

Hey - just popping in to say i wont be participating for this eod - sorry!

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Ive never in my life deliberately planned to end the day without voting, but i dont want to be making an uninformed vote. I have no real scumreads

Apologies if this is anti-town, it just feels better than a random vote to me, and i will participate and vote in all future eods

oh lol. you are killing me.

It's anti-town but it feels guenine I guess.

[VOTE: Dr. Wilgy] aubergine

what do you mean? they took their vote off of you

I don't like this post.

I was specifically referring to le petit's first line and im not sure how you are interpreting it. I'm just stating facts. tutuu was voting le petit, and then tutuu got off le petit, therefore in a literal sense doing the opposite of killing him.

Unless he meant "you are killing me" as a form of expression which is possible

oh I meant it literally as "reading you is a rollercoaster"

[Cape90]

i am somewhat struggling to see pyxxy's come back as towny... kinda the notes thing is towny?

[robyn]

my mom made shrimp and carne asada tacos. i will have to eat like the romans did, eg eat until i'm full then throw up so i can eat even more. similarly i'll have to use olive oil as lube for someone

[Le petit poussin]

@Syn: did u read the whole thing? Can u talk to me about your other SRs? if any

in rondo we trust (until he fucks up, then all my homies hate rondo)

also I generally agree with scum-reading tutuu, lucy, and wilgy

my volume read on wilgy wasn't just noise. his presence and goading feels off

tutuu is too conciliatory and very focused on redirecting attention elsewhere

iv'e never heard of a reverse SBPC read

u don't know about DOlby(4) then. Some people just love woofing and not being a villager. heh it's rarer but it exists.

[DrWilgy]

Like. I almost really feel that LPP or Pyxxy is correct wagon.

LPP advising Lucy to stop posting and step back for a second along with the seconding of Seanzies argument for T Lucy just isn't sitting right the more I think on it.

It's like you'd get good little town points for the take if Lucy is teammate or not. If Lucy is a teammate you defended them, if not you were at least "correct".

LPP has trended up for me recently, but I'm not sure if I could pinpoint a specific reason for it. I still think Pyxxy is probably fine, so I recommend you find better wagons or do a better job of convicing me on these ones.

Implying I need to convince others to my read I still think is faulty. I provide the data and assuming you are without agenda it's in your best interest to gauge and judge it however.

You provide what? You shaded me, I asked you to post the quotes which triggered ur post. You replied with another 3 shade-post.

An analysis on your play regarding Lucy.

It feels very wolf AI.

Perhaps if the stance you gave wasn't secondhand from Seanzie I'd feel less inclined, but it all feels very stand out of danger and be right. Those behaviors are wolf indicative I think.

If you absolutely need the quote it's this one:

@Seanzie was the vote on Bereft because Bereft said



this about your wolfread, lucy??

I don't know why I didn't see this before. No, it was this post:

This post could have been written without the information that you discussed the playerlist with Mac pregame and we would have lost nothing. So I'm curious, what exactly did Mac contribute and what other tea do you have to spill.

the focus on Lucy mentioning Mac didn't sit well with me. They're saying Mac is irrelevant, but then questioning Lucy further about Mac. Feels less like they're trying to read Lucy and more like they're just trying to look like they're doing something.

Is this read deterministic of Lucy's alignment?

No, but I'd gth Lucy town for other reasons.

What are these reasons?

They did a reaction test that I thought was kinda townie, even if not necessarily the most well-thought out. I've also never seen scum!Lucy AtE this much, and I'm usually of the mindset that if someone seems really upset, I give them the benefit of the doubt, and if they end up being scum, they never get the BoD again.

this tbh. I would be pretty mad if she is actually wolfing here.

This just feels like it's forcefully completely absolving you of responsibility on one of the more heated subjects of the thread.

But you also can't just read this quote alone to know that It needs the context of your ISO and thus individual quotes are somewhat pointless.

[DrWilgy]

my mom made shrimp and carne asada tacos. i will have to eat like the romans did, eg eat until i'm full then throw up so i can eat even more. similarly i'll have to use olive oil as lube for someone

Can I have some?

[robyn]

my mom made shrimp and carne asada tacos. i will have to eat like the romans did, eg eat until i'm full then throw up so i can eat even more. similarly i'll have to use olive oil as lube for someone

Can I have some?

if and only if you come down mexico way (innuendo)

[Cape90]

Seanzie does not know my main well enough for it to even be of much use to them. And for that matter, my main has a meta associated with it that tends to generates alot of discussion, which would be fine it wasn't for the fact that such discussion is often orthogonal to my alignment given the amount of people saying things they think they know but don't actually. As such, I don't intend on disclosing my main anytime soon. Believe me, I am saving you from a headache.

AH HA! You are an alt!
I had the feeling

[Cape90]

Moreover, Lucy should be scumreading Neon right now.
Neon making posts like "I'm so far out of my wolf meta it's hilarious", should be a red flag from Lucy's POV. I am not a Neon reader, but frankly I don't believe the statement at all and would venture forth to say Neon doesn't believe it either. If they want to prove us wrong, they can just cite what exactly that they are doing that is not in line with how they wolf. But they've already stated that they're already aware of their normal D1 meta and would play around it as wolf.

you think lucy was not?

Hey lucy were you not?

[Le petit poussin]

hello le petite twink, hru?

good, tx. u?

give me your POE pls. (I haven't read most of your posts fwiw. Just the page this morning and the ones I saw in Neon's ISO)

[pyxxy]

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all this talk about voting le petit and somehow ten minutes ago I was the only person on le petit?

that feels off

[robyn]

Moreover, Lucy should be scumreading Neon right now.
Neon making posts like "I'm so far out of my wolf meta it's hilarious", should be a red flag from Lucy's POV. I am not a Neon reader, but frankly I don't believe the statement at all and would venture forth to say Neon doesn't believe it either. If they want to prove us wrong, they can just cite what exactly that they are doing that is not in line with how they wolf. But they've already stated that they're already aware of their normal D1 meta and would play around it as wolf.

you think lucy was not?

Hey lucy were you not?

i don't remember tbh, i conf biased neon as wolf mentally but idk if i put it into the thread cause i understood that i wasn't thinking objectively/clearly and neon has pushed me v/v before like twice so it wasn't like she should've found me or anything

[Cape90]

bereft seems a bit scatterbrained

surprised they didn't follow up on

I like being townspewed, don't you?

I was not a fan at all of Cape randomly deciding to fixate on me earlier. There was clearly not an ongoing issue of people giving outsized takes on alignments. I haven't pretended to sort Cape since, but if there's an obvious reason Cape is town then I'm all ears.

This... at all

[robyn]

hello le petite twink, hru?

good, tx. u?

give me your POE pls. (I haven't read most of your posts fwiw. Just the page this morning and the ones I saw in Neon's ISO)

i don't really have one, i'm in self pres mode, but ideally i'll lynch syn. i also didn't read the part where he was "open to sharing reads" because he was absolutely not, his reads have been extremely stagnant and he hasn't voiced them in a critical way at all

[robyn]

syn/neon/pyxxy and i don't feel like voting wigly or bereft at all here

[robyn]

also if bereft votes me at eod he's always scum (incase he does and i forget to voice this legacy thought thing)

[Le petit poussin]

LPP feels 30% informed on the things I've read from their slot. Lost C or W. Not sure which.

quote the posts pls

Nothing to inherently quote but more so a series that resulted in this thought process.

Of all the things that you chewed into on my posting, it was a Syn read that happened in like my first 8 posts during RVS still.

Thus at least on my data it seems that you saw 1 layer deep and didn't go further.

The next thing was how in spite of you joining thread while the Rondo/Lucy scadoodle was hot, I didn't see any takes of yours on the subject until Seanzie put it into words only prompted by my asking.

It all makes it feel like you are just level 1 ing everything.

Thing is it was u posting readlists during rvs, calling out Syn for bad reasons, etc. You justifying it with "but someone gotta end rvs". But now it was during RVS still and I am level1 for reading it?

What's your other shade already? why should I have something to say when I wake up to 800 posts and the few I read live are people literally insulting each others lol?

Yes, because your read on me didn't expand beyond that whatsoever. I've added plenty to the thread and you focus on a miniscule happening in the first page and never evolved beyond it.

Because having something to say is how town advance the game? You had posted plenty before getting to affirm the Seanzie post, I don't see why it had to come only at that juncture.

So again, it feels like you are only surface deep.

This is me dodging your wolfy push, on a surface level. (I do what I can with the time I have, pal. that's not AI)

You keep coming back to that Seanzie post, can you tell me more about it?

[pyxxy]

i am somewhat struggling to see pyxxy's come back as towny... kinda the notes thing is towny?

Why do I, pyxxy, as a wolf, want to come back to this EOD? Who tagged me in the wolf chat to come back, and what did they want me to do?

Neutral question. Just want you to think through this.

[Le petit poussin]

similarly i'll have to use olive oil as lube for someone

ur mother prolly doesn't deserve that lucy

[robyn]

similarly i'll have to use olive oil as lube for someone

ur mother prolly doesn't deserve that lucy

only a french person can top me

[Cape90]

I wouldn't know that LPP has made good posts; I don't remember a word of what they've said.

hmm

i might be back to scumreading this

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

[Cape90]

I do not understand why you all are still engaging with Rondo. It's obvious they're just going to keep spitting out responses to justify their "readlists" each time any one of you says something. And yes I do believe this implies that most of their responses have been unserious.

the more i look at this post, the more i hate it

[DrWilgy]

LPP feels 30% informed on the things I've read from their slot. Lost C or W. Not sure which.

quote the posts pls

Nothing to inherently quote but more so a series that resulted in this thought process.

Of all the things that you chewed into on my posting, it was a Syn read that happened in like my first 8 posts during RVS still.

Thus at least on my data it seems that you saw 1 layer deep and didn't go further.

The next thing was how in spite of you joining thread while the Rondo/Lucy scadoodle was hot, I didn't see any takes of yours on the subject until Seanzie put it into words only prompted by my asking.

It all makes it feel like you are just level 1 ing everything.

Thing is it was u posting readlists during rvs, calling out Syn for bad reasons, etc. You justifying it with "but someone gotta end rvs". But now it was during RVS still and I am level1 for reading it?

What's your other shade already? why should I have something to say when I wake up to 800 posts and the few I read live are people literally insulting each others lol?

Yes, because your read on me didn't expand beyond that whatsoever. I've added plenty to the thread and you focus on a miniscule happening in the first page and never evolved beyond it.

Because having something to say is how town advance the game? You had posted plenty before getting to affirm the Seanzie post, I don't see why it had to come only at that juncture.

So again, it feels like you are only surface deep.

This is me dodging your wolfy push, on a surface level. (I do what I can with the time I have, pal. that's not AI)

You keep coming back to that Seanzie post, can you tell me more about it?

See above.

[Cape90]

There exists an alternate universe where I publicly give lucy a townread, but in that universe they also have not made statements to the effect of "rondo should've found me town by now", which I shouldn't have to point out why its absurd.

they have called everyone in their wolfreads obvious town, how has lucy NOT done this?

[pyxxy]

i am somewhat struggling to see pyxxy's come back as towny... kinda the notes thing is towny?

Why do I, pyxxy, as a wolf, want to come back to this EOD? Who tagged me in the wolf chat to come back, and what did they want me to do?

Neutral question. Just want you to think through this.

Realized this might be an unfair question if you don't think I've done anything yet "and now I won't because you're watching"

I'm seeing people like lucy and wilgy talk about voting le petit yet....not

I'm open to voting bereft but I also haven't and won't iso them before eod so I feel more confident in staying on le petit than going full gut on bereft

I tr sean, wilgy, neon, cape (that's you buddy although you're trying your hardest to shake me), porscha, and falcon

idk how to read rondo in this game, also confused by tutuu

I liked sheep earlier

null leaning shrug on bereft and syn

[Cape90]

There exists an alternate universe where I publicly give lucy a townread, but in that universe they also have not made statements to the effect of "rondo should've found me town by now", which I shouldn't have to point out why its absurd.

i don't remember the last time rondo hasn't found me as town, with context it is applicable

Treating this as true, I still don't care at all for the statement. There is obviously a world where for whatever reason you're too emotional to give measured takes on anything, but I'm just not going to reward bad play, and I also don't know why you would be feeling like what you are putting out.

this is all right after Bereft says to ignore Rondo's reads and dont engage with them. Ironic