notorious hedgehog 14 player mafia game wow! game thread [game over mafia won]

[robyn]

neon and sheep have been looking bad

can you elaborate how they look bad?

[DrWilgy]

What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep through most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.




Cheers

Syn and Lucy are likely dif check still.

This is mostly due to alot of unresolved tension around Lucy's slot.

I'd sort between those two and go from there.

[Cape90]

i am somewhat struggling to see pyxxy's come back as towny... kinda the notes thing is towny?

Why do I, pyxxy, as a wolf, want to come back to this EOD? Who tagged me in the wolf chat to come back, and what did they want me to do?

Neutral question. Just want you to think through this.

not really sure why this question was asked

also the notes thing was referring to

I feel drawn to syn le petit and bereft

Drawn in what way?

lack of experience with them + lack of noting towny vibes during my reads

I'm experimenting with taking notes while playing mafia and tldr they're barely in my notes so far

feels like that might mean something. specifically mean something scummy. gtg soon tho

[Cape90]

What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep through most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.




Cheers

Syn and Lucy are likely dif check still.

This is mostly due to alot of unresolved tension around Lucy's slot.

I'd sort between those two and go from there.

technically not an actual difference check

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy what are your reads

They has not changed much

Cape T
Rondo T
Falcon T
Porscha T
Tutuu Tfn
Neon Tfn

Pyxxy is off and it feels Wolfy.

We need to solve in you/Syn and we should have yesterday.

We go from there.

If we are doing proper mafia play we kill a counterwagon and neons counterwagon gives us the most info. Pyxxy I personally think is town and Neon has been suspicious so if you want to avoid my fpos on lucy Neon is my only other option

I still don't think Neon is correct, but yeah [VOTE: Lucy] aubergine would be a good place to start today.

[robyn]

hmmm

[robyn]

would be a good place to start today.

have you read all my posts today?

[DrWilgy]

What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep through most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.




Cheers

Syn and Lucy are likely dif check still.

This is mostly due to alot of unresolved tension around Lucy's slot.

I'd sort between those two and go from there.

technically not an actual difference check

Correct. I just don't see a world where they are both town.

If Syn is town, Syn's likely correct.

If Lucy is town then Syn's play so far has been I think town neg.

If Syn is wrong, well gollee batman, looks like we need to trim the likes of Tutuu/Sheep/Pyxxy as that's what feels like the only possibility in that scenario as a wolf team.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@DrWilgy what are your reads

They has not changed much

Cape T
Rondo T
Falcon T
Porscha T
Tutuu Tfn
Neon Tfn

Pyxxy is off and it feels Wolfy.

We need to solve in you/Syn and we should have yesterday.

We go from there.

If we are doing proper mafia play we kill a counterwagon and neons counterwagon gives us the most info. Pyxxy I personally think is town and Neon has been suspicious so if you want to avoid my fpos on lucy Neon is my only other option

I still don't think Neon is correct, but yeah [VOTE: Lucy] aubergine would be a good place to start today.

why? You didnt listen to me today and voted anyone but lucy, why lucy today?

[DrWilgy]

would be a good place to start today.

have you read all my posts today?

No, not yet. Nor have I really digested them. I'm just reading and responding without critical thinking atm.

Half the mind makes me think that allowing this tension to not resolve by listening to logos or pathos arguments at the moment might cause me to panic at the vote like I did last cycle which was a mistake.

[Cape90]

in terms of breaking up my reads

Porscha
Sheep
Rondo

tutuu
lucy
DrWigly

Neon
pyxxy
Seanzie

falcon45ca

Syn

Probably something like this

[Cape90]

the thread has felt generally towny and it's making me think im misreading something somewhere

[Syn]

If Syn is town, Syn's likely correct.

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy what are your reads

They has not changed much

Cape T
Rondo T
Falcon T
Porscha T
Tutuu Tfn
Neon Tfn

Pyxxy is off and it feels Wolfy.

We need to solve in you/Syn and we should have yesterday.

We go from there.

If we are doing proper mafia play we kill a counterwagon and neons counterwagon gives us the most info. Pyxxy I personally think is town and Neon has been suspicious so if you want to avoid my fpos on lucy Neon is my only other option

I still don't think Neon is correct, but yeah [VOTE: Lucy] aubergine would be a good place to start today.

why? You didnt listen to me today and voted anyone but lucy, why lucy today?

Today? Today just started?

If you are referring to yesterday, I even argued for the Lucy wagon and voted alongside you. Seanzie was like 'nah dood, Bereft' and that's why we got stuck with as it felt better than neon going over.

[Cape90]

like seanzie might be a bit low too

[pyxxy]

What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep through most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.




Cheers

rondo and syn have tunneled me all of d1

they are doing the same and not reevaluating

now i think i'm doming syn this cycle

bereft/le petite twink have townread me and are confirmed town

from near EOD D1

i am somewhat struggling to see pyxxy's come back as towny... kinda the notes thing is towny?

Why do I, pyxxy, as a wolf, want to come back to this EOD? Who tagged me in the wolf chat to come back, and what did they want me to do?

Neutral question. Just want you to think through this.

I tr sean, wilgy, neon, cape (that's you buddy although you're trying your hardest to shake me), porscha, and falcon

idk how else to say this but I don't tr you rn

[Cape90]

and im not even convinced syn is scum, he's just my best guess

[pyxxy]

What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep through most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.




Cheers

rondo and syn have tunneled me all of d1

they are doing the same and not reevaluating

now i think i'm doming syn this cycle

bereft/le petite twink have townread me and are confirmed town

from near EOD D1

i am somewhat struggling to see pyxxy's come back as towny... kinda the notes thing is towny?

Why do I, pyxxy, as a wolf, want to come back to this EOD? Who tagged me in the wolf chat to come back, and what did they want me to do?

Neutral question. Just want you to think through this.

I tr sean, wilgy, neon, cape (that's you buddy although you're trying your hardest to shake me), porscha, and falcon

idk how else to say this but I don't tr you rn

SORRY NEVERMIND, you weren't talking about me

I read twink and all my neurons lit up

[DrWilgy]

for example you have not reevaluated after the wagon that killed bereft that you were on

why were you on that wagon, he was your second highest townread????

killing me and me flipping town over syn who is clearly managing their own spew incase they flip is very poor play

you don't actually want to push cape/tutuu/wigly even when wigly was a wagon yesterday as well as neon, but you go bereft who was hesitantly townreading me???

Never caught this if true. Rondo, why did you join the Bereft wagon?

[robyn]

lol

[robyn]

for example you have not reevaluated after the wagon that killed bereft that you were on

why were you on that wagon, he was your second highest townread????

killing me and me flipping town over syn who is clearly managing their own spew incase they flip is very poor play

you don't actually want to push cape/tutuu/wigly even when wigly was a wagon yesterday as well as neon, but you go bereft who was hesitantly townreading me???

Never caught this if true. Rondo, why did you join the Bereft wagon?

if you iso you'll see that he's repeatedly ignored this question

[DrWilgy]

rask dying feels weird tbh.
Not sure what it menas

Level 0 off the top of my head tutuu wolf

allow me to introduce you to 'doctor dodging'

If we speculate beyond that we'd cause too much chaos at this stage in the game I think. PKA is fine and dandy, but hard to do without a solid foundation I think.

[DrWilgy]

Also, strangely enough, now that I've putten it into words,

if Syn and Lucy are T/T that gives me a really bad sinking feeling about Tutuu. Idk why, but I think I should trust my gut there.

Lucy have you reevaluated Tutuu recently?

[robyn]

Also, strangely enough, now that I've putten it into words,

if Syn and Lucy are T/T that gives me a really bad sinking feeling about Tutuu. Idk why, but I think I should trust my gut there.

Lucy have you reevaluated Tutuu recently?

no, i was gonna at sod but i haven't found the wim, i assume i'll do that in 2-3h

[Cape90]

for example you have not reevaluated after the wagon that killed bereft that you were on

why were you on that wagon, he was your second highest townread????

killing me and me flipping town over syn who is clearly managing their own spew incase they flip is very poor play

you don't actually want to push cape/tutuu/wigly even when wigly was a wagon yesterday as well as neon, but you go bereft who was hesitantly townreading me???

Never caught this if true. Rondo, why did you join the Bereft wagon?

they have answered this already. i have quoted it already in my first post today

[robyn]

for example you have not reevaluated after the wagon that killed bereft that you were on

why were you on that wagon, he was your second highest townread????

killing me and me flipping town over syn who is clearly managing their own spew incase they flip is very poor play

you don't actually want to push cape/tutuu/wigly even when wigly was a wagon yesterday as well as neon, but you go bereft who was hesitantly townreading me???

Never caught this if true. Rondo, why did you join the Bereft wagon?

they have answered this already. i have quoted it already in my first post today

they have to be more detailed in it, that "following seanzie" onto his top tr requires more explanation

[DrWilgy]

it's like... you have had static reads all game, have you not felt the need to relook at stuff?

i've read every single post and don't see a reason to change my immediate poe at this time

i think me staying solid on lucy/tutuu/wilgy causing such a venomous backlash again and again and again is a sign I'm on the right path tbh

the sheer vitriol, hostility, constant insults and sussing of me because I'm staying the course *chef's kiss* it's going to be amazing

I'm sorry my friend, I didn't intend to do anything venomously if I did.

[pyxxy]

i am somewhat struggling to see pyxxy's come back as towny... kinda the notes thing is towny?

Why do I, pyxxy, as a wolf, want to come back to this EOD? Who tagged me in the wolf chat to come back, and what did they want me to do?

Neutral question. Just want you to think through this.

not really sure why this question was asked

also the notes thing was referring to

I feel drawn to syn le petit and bereft

Drawn in what way?

lack of experience with them + lack of noting towny vibes during my reads

I'm experimenting with taking notes while playing mafia and tldr they're barely in my notes so far

feels like that might mean something. specifically mean something scummy. gtg soon tho

"i am somewhat struggling to see pyxxy's come back as towny"
I interpreted this as calling my return to the thread scummy. That's why I asked why you thought my return was scummy.

Did I interpret this wrong?

[RondoDimBuckle]

@DrWilgy what are your reads

They has not changed much

Cape T
Rondo T
Falcon T
Porscha T
Tutuu Tfn
Neon Tfn

Pyxxy is off and it feels Wolfy.

We need to solve in you/Syn and we should have yesterday.

We go from there.

If we are doing proper mafia play we kill a counterwagon and neons counterwagon gives us the most info. Pyxxy I personally think is town and Neon has been suspicious so if you want to avoid my fpos on lucy Neon is my only other option

I still don't think Neon is correct, but yeah [VOTE: Lucy] aubergine would be a good place to start today.

why? You didnt listen to me today and voted anyone but lucy, why lucy today?

Today? Today just started?

If you are referring to yesterday, I even argued for the Lucy wagon and voted alongside you. Seanzie was like 'nah dood, Bereft' and that's why we got stuck with as it felt better than neon going over.

I have the votes in my ISO, I can go back and look at them. From what I remember you were voting there while it didnt matter and when it picked up you moved somewhere else and it died down, at no point was lucy in any actual serious danger and you moving away killed the wagon as much as everyone else who did. So you wanting to get on today makes you +ev wolf

for example you have not reevaluated after the wagon that killed bereft that you were on

why were you on that wagon, he was your second highest townread????

killing me and me flipping town over syn who is clearly managing their own spew incase they flip is very poor play

you don't actually want to push cape/tutuu/wigly even when wigly was a wagon yesterday as well as neon, but you go bereft who was hesitantly townreading me???

Never caught this if true. Rondo, why did you join the Bereft wagon?

they have answered this already. i have quoted it already in my first post today

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy what are your reads

They has not changed much

Cape T
Rondo T
Falcon T
Porscha T
Tutuu Tfn
Neon Tfn

Pyxxy is off and it feels Wolfy.

We need to solve in you/Syn and we should have yesterday.

We go from there.

If we are doing proper mafia play we kill a counterwagon and neons counterwagon gives us the most info. Pyxxy I personally think is town and Neon has been suspicious so if you want to avoid my fpos on lucy Neon is my only other option

I still don't think Neon is correct, but yeah [VOTE: Lucy] aubergine would be a good place to start today.

why? You didnt listen to me today and voted anyone but lucy, why lucy today?

Today? Today just started?

If you are referring to yesterday, I even argued for the Lucy wagon and voted alongside you. Seanzie was like 'nah dood, Bereft' and that's why we got stuck with as it felt better than neon going over.

I have the votes in my ISO, I can go back and look at them. From what I remember you were voting there while it didnt matter and when it picked up you moved somewhere else and it died down, at no point was lucy in any actual serious danger and you moving away killed the wagon as much as everyone else who did. So you wanting to get on today makes you +ev wolf

for example you have not reevaluated after the wagon that killed bereft that you were on

why were you on that wagon, he was your second highest townread????

killing me and me flipping town over syn who is clearly managing their own spew incase they flip is very poor play

you don't actually want to push cape/tutuu/wigly even when wigly was a wagon yesterday as well as neon, but you go bereft who was hesitantly townreading me???

Never caught this if true. Rondo, why did you join the Bereft wagon?

they have answered this already. i have quoted it already in my first post today

I had wanted Lucy to be the wagon.

Bereft was tied with Lucy and Neon was in the lead.

I didn't want Neon to go over. Bereft was a better option so I moved.

It was at this point I proposed Pyxxy wagon.

Pyxxy wagon popped up.

I got scared because of the players on the Pyxxy wagon.

Moved back to Bereft as you had moved there and made that an option over Neon.

[tutuu]

Hi - apologies for being useless

Will participate this day phase. Bed time now.

[robyn]

i wonder when mafia will stack on me

[robyn]

i need to find the mafia assuming syn is town because if i die and that world exists it's an auto loss, 2 ml's and syn gets stacked and he can't defend himself at all

but i also need to case syn to iraq and back so i don't die ugh, i hate this

[Cape90]

i am somewhat struggling to see pyxxy's come back as towny... kinda the notes thing is towny?

Why do I, pyxxy, as a wolf, want to come back to this EOD? Who tagged me in the wolf chat to come back, and what did they want me to do?

Neutral question. Just want you to think through this.

not really sure why this question was asked

also the notes thing was referring to

I feel drawn to syn le petit and bereft

Drawn in what way?

lack of experience with them + lack of noting towny vibes during my reads

I'm experimenting with taking notes while playing mafia and tldr they're barely in my notes so far

feels like that might mean something. specifically mean something scummy. gtg soon tho

"i am somewhat struggling to see pyxxy's come back as towny"
I interpreted this as calling my return to the thread scummy. That's why I asked why you thought my return was scummy.

Did I interpret this wrong?

i misinterpreted my own post

[Cape90]

search.php?author_id=1029&t=2482
read le petit's ISO and there's something about the lucy situation

reading about who is to blame for the incoming ML makes me sad and annoyed. PLease stop and play.

i meant to comment on this post as i found it noteworthy for Le Petit just kinda coming in and announcing that lucy will be a ML

Read these pages again. It's literally lucy who was posting this. It's not a me read.

like, cape's not wrong here, and after this le petit goes off and does some medium strength sussing of wilgy, but then ends with

gn

gn. Sad we couldn't realtime more. (week ends are sucky time for me to play smh)

Hopefully we can chat closer to EOD

when the two of them didn't even really talk at all? like le petit showed up, tried to talk about wilgy instead with tutuu

Lol this game is free

Cape T
Lucy T
Syn T
Pyxxy W
Neon W

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

towny for wilgy?

how? (like they have history with Neon or something?)

that's the whole case from me, I'm not good at this, just felt something was off, didnt even read bereft or syn and I gtg soon

[VOTE: le petit] aubergine

but yeah i would be a bit confused if wolf = this given the NK

it's not impossible ig

[Cape90]

Hi - apologies for being useless

Will participate this day phase. Bed time now.

thanks

[Seanzie]

So Seanzie, going to listen to me now?

Listen? Yes.

[Porscha]

for example you have not reevaluated after the wagon that killed bereft that you were on

why were you on that wagon, he was your second highest townread????

killing me and me flipping town over syn who is clearly managing their own spew incase they flip is very poor play

you don't actually want to push cape/tutuu/wigly even when wigly was a wagon yesterday as well as neon, but you go bereft who was hesitantly townreading me???

I'm just gonna signal boost this cause it's pretty fucking towny and pretty fucking accurate.

Yes... surprisingly towny

[Porscha]

So Seanzie, going to listen to me now?

Listen? Yes.

But he ain't gonna give you his heckin beans

[Porscha]

secondly and what's most important is that i am basically clear

this is because i was the most controversial player in d1 and my alignment ends up cracking the game open

therefore i am the most logical doctor option

because doctor is not dead that pretty clearly implies that i am town

rondo continuing to push me is just so fucking bad

Or doctor just didn't target you.

But anyways...

notorious hedgehog 14 player mafia game wow!aka amrock 14er

Roles:
1 town weak doctor
10 vanilla town

2 mafia goons
1 1-shot mafia rolestopper

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Stuff:

days will be 48 hours, nights will be 24 hours, days will start at 7PM eastern
post cap is 200, lifted 1 hour before eod
actions are due ~30 minutes before the end of the night
Alignment flips only ("x was town" or "x was mafia")
end of day ties = rand
hammers d2+, votes locked in lylo (not locked in mylo)
sleep is a valid vote
flavor will certainly be NAI but i am not fully sure what it will be, if anything
In this game players will be notified if they are roleblocked


--
sample role pms

Spoiler: show

sup {name}, you are a vanilla townie

glhf

sup {name}, you are the town weak doctor

each night, you may pick a player. you will heal them from any attacks that happen that night. if you ever target a member of the mafia, you will instead die. you may not target the same player two times in a row.

glhf

sup {name}, you are a mafia goon. each night, the mafia must attack a player, killing them.

the mafia consist of:
{name1} - goon
{name2} - goon
{name3} - 1 shot rolestopper

you may talk at all times, starting now, in this scum discord: [discord link]

glhf

sup {name}, you are the mafia 1 shot rolestopper. each night, the mafia must attack a player, killing them. additionally, once per game, you may target any player (including yourself), roleblocking anybody targeting them tonight.

the mafia consist of:
{name1} - goon
{name2} - goon
{name3} - 1 shot rolestopper

you may talk at all times, starting now, in this scum discord: [discord link]

glhf

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[Porscha]

I wanna talk about my Bereft vote for a sec.
1 factor that made me vote there was me thinking he was a scummy alt
I thought his last minute responses to me were towny but i was too cowardly to switch (skill issue) (i was thinking of going pyxxy)
I was also getting bad vibes from the other people jumping at Bereft, or just on them in general. Whoever said they liked the ppl on the wagon look scummier IMO (I think Wigly said something like this).

yeah ur town

This was already established

[Porscha]

it's like... you have had static reads all game, have you not felt the need to relook at stuff?

i've read every single post and don't see a reason to change my immediate poe at this time

i think me staying solid on lucy/tutuu/wilgy causing such a venomous backlash again and again and again is a sign I'm on the right path tbh

the sheer vitriol, hostility, constant insults and sussing of me because I'm staying the course *chef's kiss* it's going to be amazing

this isn't towny

What took away town points from it were that I dont particularly recall syn starting on this course. Sorta felt like he just sheeped rondo and then called rondo's reads his reads

[Porscha]

tfw someone townreading me/tutuu/cape died AND WHO WASN'T TOWNREADING RONDO

Why you tr tutuu

i was gonna iso him and explain, rask tr tutuu here and rask was nightkilled

Meh. Lukewarm reasoning . Dont think it's a very strong point

[tutuu]

tfw someone townreading me/tutuu/cape died AND WHO WASN'T TOWNREADING RONDO

Why you tr tutuu

i was gonna iso him and explain, rask tr tutuu here and rask was nightkilled

and to reestablish my tr, mac/alisom said tutuu was insane as scum

Hey tutuu the elders said if you suck ass youre town

thats no secret

[Porscha]

This game I feel like tutuu is if you let ai try to replicate jello
Like actual jello
You can see some semblance of how they are similar
But one of them is clearly made in-organically

[tutuu]

If we dont have dead wolves by d4 i might go goblin mode but until then im being tame. Im trying to be as tame as i can. Also I was busy with goc if my absence was relevant

[robyn]

@Porscha wigly is right that the vote should be between me/syn today

[robyn]

I wanna talk about my Bereft vote for a sec.
1 factor that made me vote there was me thinking he was a scummy alt
I thought his last minute responses to me were towny but i was too cowardly to switch (skill issue) (i was thinking of going pyxxy)
I was also getting bad vibes from the other people jumping at Bereft, or just on them in general. Whoever said they liked the ppl on the wagon look scummier IMO (I think Wigly said something like this).

yeah ur town

This was already established

his thoughts were townie and i just reiterated those thoughts, to myself and the thread

[robyn]

tfw someone townreading me/tutuu/cape died AND WHO WASN'T TOWNREADING RONDO

Why you tr tutuu

i was gonna iso him and explain, rask tr tutuu here and rask was nightkilled

Meh. Lukewarm reasoning . Dont think it's a very strong point

it wasn't actually reasoning for townreading tutuu itself, the former was that i was gonna iso him and read/reevaluate him and the second point was a fact

[robyn]

if we miss d2 then tomorrow it's me/syn cross again and mafia have more influence on the vote

us getting sorted today is optimal, i need to see worlds where syn is scum cause then i can start reading the game

syn scum=rondo town in all worlds, same with me/cape