[Mafia Win] Tongue-Tied Mafia

[Lemonfairy]

Yeah, so I'm totally fine flipping lemon. I don't find this explanation towny whatsoever, plus it seems to ignore the fact that Roxy was TR by Kate...and Kate has a fair amount of play experience w/ Roxy, so I find that NK coming from Kate's TR unlikely

actually, Kate didn't really have much of a read on Roxy and their later TR was because Roxy was the first to call out Pyxxy, who didn't respond
Pyxxy flipping green makes that TR have less weight

I quoted it because it reminded me that Roxy was one of the main pushers for Pyxxy and - this second part is more just speculation and not worth as much weight - Kate noticing this could have been a reason for their NK

you're ignoring a fair bit of nuance by treating Kate's read as static
granted, I have no idea if they would've changed the read later or not but saying I'm ignoring the read and treating the TR on Roxy as a good read to follow (Kate's posts did not indicate they felt very strongly or were very sure on Roxy's TR) is pushing it



you also highlighted the part where I said Roxy's reads are ok
sure, that's a contradiction on my part

but you've ignored my further explanation in the next post
I know I didn't explain it well but it sure feels like you couldn't be bothered to read me more carefully

here's the rest of my explanation btw:

to expand on that, what I mean specifically is that your reasons all look reasonable and make sense in a vacuum, but something feels off about it as a whole

I can't really say what it is tbh

I stand by my opinion that giving out reads with reasons that are individually reasonable but doesn't have a good overall feel is wolfy
there were also a lot of wolfreads in that list, which is ok but paired with the reasons, I think a few reasons aren't really strong enough to warrant a wolfread (this point could just be a playstyle difference though)

Whole lotta words for "gut feels", no?

yes but no

[Porscha]

gonna go out on a limb and say Kate wasn't killed b/c reads

also thanks Porscha. Do you have any hot takes/spicy content you want to share:"?

Let me finish reading when I'm home and I'll see if I have anything thai level to share

[Dennis]

Finding a way to post cap with this limitation is proving to be difficult man

[Dennis]

gonna go out on a limb and say Kate wasn't killed b/c reads

also thanks Porscha. Do you have any hot takes/spicy content you want to share:"?

For why do you think this

[Dennis]

Falcon is making enough sense to not want to kill him (get pocketed NERD) though talk to me abt sig, since your vote is there

Is it just to pressure him to come back or what

[hollowkatt]

SPK isn't off the table there

what's SPK?

strong
player
kill

[Porscha]

Dennis be like

F*ck all my sentences have to start with the letter f and it's too hard

[Porscha]

I'm voting neon btw

Just to see what happens

[Porscha]

Her name hasn't been mentioned enough imo

[Porscha]

And now when she plays tonight she can have something interesting going on

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

D | E | N | N | I | S

is

locktown

D | E | N | N | I | S

does not

K̷i̴l̷l̸

møthér...

This read is bad

She was TR Dennis, and they'd had multiple interactions. I'm inclined to believe Maf Dennis doesn't shoot his mom D1 in that scenario, 8/10 times

Meh maybe but also people always act like mafia will never just shoot someone who TRs them to avoid their viewpoint shifting.

Like I've abused that line of thinking to murder Mac and get deep because he TRd me.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Vote Roxy

Let's start here

for funzies??
when did that type of thinking ever lead to a town win? I don't understand you Neon. We have played several times together and you consistently think I am bad only to be proven wrong by a mis-elim.

Mmmm I can only be wrong until I'm right though.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

D | E | N | N | I | S

is

locktown

D | E | N | N | I | S

does not

K̷i̴l̷l̸

møthér...

This read is bad

Was Dennis pure then?

Was Dennis pure then?

Odds

ARE

That if so...

Then OPENs

Up to ROXY and DENNIS

But no, that doesn't make sense.

Surely you don't feel that Roxy and Dennis

Are BOTH in the PoE still.

That would be...

So lovely...

I’m confused by what you are saying here

One W on Dennis.

Who was that?

Be careful or they'll use a bat

One W on Pyxxy.

Who was that?

Be careful or they'll make you flat

One W floating free.

Who was that?

Be careful or they'll make you DEAD

Point 1 is ONLY impossible if there's a

W Dennis or

A 2nd on Pyxxy

The 2nd

Hoho ho...

The 2nd on Pyxxy

Is likely

Roxy.

Hmm...

Wilgy is lock town honestly.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

also how did you read that as me trying to pocket you?
townread = pocket?

Further towards the start you were just like "oh its bcuz his posts are towny" which sets off the pocket alarm in my head

But you gave a more concrete reason later so I changed my mind

Dennis why do you think kate was nk'd

From her recent games she was on fire. Like goc she did amazing, in Muppets she caught a wolf D1

Initial guess is wolves were worried which might suggest either 1. Kate was onto someone who was worried or 2. Kate can read the wolves well

Do you think past game performance affects wolf decisions in the current game?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Spoiler: show

D | E | N | N | I | S

is

locktown

D | E | N | N | I | S

does not

K̷i̴l̷l̸

møthér...

This read is bad

Was Dennis pure then?

Was Dennis pure then?

Odds

ARE

That if so...

Then OPENs

Up to ROXY and DENNIS

But no, that doesn't make sense.

Surely you don't feel that Roxy and Dennis

Are BOTH in the PoE still.

That would be...

So lovely...

I’m confused by what you are saying here

One W on Dennis.

Who was that?

Be careful or they'll use a bat

One W on Pyxxy.

Who was that?

Be careful or they'll make you flat

One W floating free.

Who was that?

Be careful or they'll make you DEAD

Point 1 is ONLY impossible if there's a

W Dennis or

A 2nd on Pyxxy

The 2nd

Hoho ho...

The 2nd on Pyxxy

Is likely

Roxy.

again why? What makes you single me out? Why do you think I am bad.
I don't think wolves were anywhere near pyxxy's wagon.
Why?
Bc they knew they were town. Thats what makes me look everywhere but the Pyxxy voters.

Given the lack of wagon movement leading up to EOD, I'm inclined to agree

This logic does not compute...

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

D | E | N | N | I | S

is

locktown

D | E | N | N | I | S

does not

K̷i̴l̷l̸

møthér...

Lol I hate reading the font in a voice in my brain

Anyway no reason to kill kate cuz she was tr'ing him

other than to work to cement the town read. It's something I've done before as wolf. Kill someone defending you because 1 why would wolf HK kill someone defending him and 2 helps cement that town read in the minds of other people when they talk abo0ut the legacy of the dead.

So no, not no reason. The question to ask is "would a team that contains dennis have reason to kill kate last night" not "would dennis pull the trigger"

Thank you...

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Wilgy
Lemon
Falcon
Neon

Town core

Porscha
Splints
HK

Just outside that

PoE

Sig
Dennis
Roxy


History suggests I'm wrong on the bottom 2 sections somewhere but never wrong on the top sexton

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Sexton or section even

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I formatted that weird

First group of names is town core

2nd is town leans

Bottom is poe

[Dennis]

D | E | N | N | I | S

is

locktown

D | E | N | N | I | S

does not

K̷i̴l̷l̸

møthér...

This read is bad

She was TR Dennis, and they'd had multiple interactions. I'm inclined to believe Maf Dennis doesn't shoot his mom D1 in that scenario, 8/10 times

Meh maybe but also people always act like mafia will never just shoot someone who TRs them to avoid their viewpoint shifting.

Like I've abused that line of thinking to murder Mac and get deep because he TRd me.

Fink about it from a wolf Dennis world though

You're a wolf who was 1 vote away from getting elimmed D1, and someone is actively calling to kill you the next day. Do you kill the person who can read you best and thinks you're town

It doesn't make sense

[Dennis]

also how did you read that as me trying to pocket you?
townread = pocket?

Further towards the start you were just like "oh its bcuz his posts are towny" which sets off the pocket alarm in my head

But you gave a more concrete reason later so I changed my mind

Dennis why do you think kate was nk'd

From her recent games she was on fire. Like goc she did amazing, in Muppets she caught a wolf D1

Initial guess is wolves were worried which might suggest either 1. Kate was onto someone who was worried or 2. Kate can read the wolves well

Do you think past game performance affects wolf decisions in the current game?

For sure

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

also how did you read that as me trying to pocket you?
townread = pocket?

Further towards the start you were just like "oh its bcuz his posts are towny" which sets off the pocket alarm in my head

But you gave a more concrete reason later so I changed my mind

Dennis why do you think kate was nk'd

From her recent games she was on fire. Like goc she did amazing, in Muppets she caught a wolf D1

Initial guess is wolves were worried which might suggest either 1. Kate was onto someone who was worried or 2. Kate can read the wolves well

Do you think past game performance affects wolf decisions in the current game?

For sure

Mmm...I don't.

[Dennis]

Dennis be like

F*ck all my sentences have to start with the letter f and it's too hard

First letter of posts only, not sentences. See I can say anything now

[Dennis]

Free cookie for Porscha for getting it

[Roxy]

I still think Dennis doesn't look great so I wonder who was the deciding vote.

oh
why does Dennis look bad?

also if I go by the screen shot, looks like the deciding vote was Porscha?

I was the first person to vote pyxxy (for no particular reason other than for reactions, like my first vote on falcon) but then I couldnt get back to the game and he flipped anyway zz

But you did not say one word about pyxxy except in one post here and it does not contain any suspicion. As a matter of fact this was the *only* instance you even mentioned pyxxy's name on D 1.

But to attest, I really didnt have suspicion of anyone yesterday and I dont feel like most people have much suspicion either except for on low posting slots like roxy and fs. Which is fine for lack of content but other than that idk where to go

you should not talk about lack of content D 1 as you barely have any.

But to attest, I really didnt have suspicion of anyone yesterday and I dont feel like most people have much suspicion either except for on low posting slots like roxy and fs. Which is fine for lack of content but other than that idk where to go

Why is it fine? Do you often find that low posters=wolf or do you think it’s more likely that people post more or less the same regardless of alignment? Also why specifically me and Rox for low posting slots is ok when falcon has posted less than Rox and sig has posted less than me

this feels like LHF grab tbh

Lol. If you read back youd realize you shouldn't be on me. My statement was how I perceived the thread state - not how I personally viewed you or Roxy and I made no attempts at those slots. If you want to hunt in those who said that about you, I don't recall who said your names, but it wasnt me.

And I do think its "fine" (note: not good or bad) to keep some lhf in the poe until they post some more for better analysis.

Literally no one mentioned low posters except *you*. No one mentioned lhf. I had more content in my 10-14 posts D 1 than you did in your 21 or so posts D 1. No need to "hunt" anyone since it has only been you to mention low posters.

to expand on that, what I mean specifically is that your reasons all look reasonable and make sense in a vacuum, but something feels off about it as a whole

I can't really say what it is tbh
idk lol

kinda hard to respond to a suspicion since you can't really say why.

it feel like falcon is treating my slot in a stingy way (I learned this from someone else but I forgot the actual word that was used but stingy is good enough) and that could be scummy
because usually town is looking to solve above all else and will hesitate and re-evaluate as long as I show some hints of towniness but scum tend to ignore towny pings and hone in on small things that make towns scummy in order to push agenda (or push for a misexe, same thing)

and yeah, I think my previous posts have reached a point where I can be reasonably townread (even if it's just a tone read)
especially with people who have not played with me before, they actually tend to err on the side of townreading me more than they probably should from the tone of my posts

falcon's response to me was also pretty dismissive and I don't think they're trying to solve me in earnest
and they still haven't answered my question on why they scumread me before

TL;DR voting lemon is a wolf claim

pot meet kettle.
you accuse falcon of doing EXACTLY what you did to me - you funny

[Roxy]

Vote Roxy

Let's start here

for funzies??
when did that type of thinking ever lead to a town win? I don't understand you Neon. We have played several times together and you consistently think I am bad only to be proven wrong by a mis-elim.

Mmmm I can only be wrong until I'm right though.

so keep doing what you have been doing - mis-elimming me just bc you are unable to read me - yeah that does not make any sense to me.

[hollowkatt]

gonna go out on a limb and say Kate wasn't killed b/c reads

also thanks Porscha. Do you have any hot takes/spicy content you want to share:"?

For why do you think this

because the last reads list Kate posted had me, lemon, splints, and porscha in the POE and I am town reading or leaning (or myself) lemon and splints. Additionally there's a town lean on roxy for how hard they tried to get things out of pyxxy.
A lot of Kates posting is pointed at you and is extremely fluffy. Kate was a prolific poster and I think that's why they died. Killing people making a lot of noise helps make sure that wolves don't need to deal with the noise and aren't potentially caught out by it.

[hollowkatt]

also how did you read that as me trying to pocket you?
townread = pocket?

Further towards the start you were just like "oh its bcuz his posts are towny" which sets off the pocket alarm in my head

But you gave a more concrete reason later so I changed my mind

Dennis why do you think kate was nk'd

From her recent games she was on fire. Like goc she did amazing, in Muppets she caught a wolf D1

Initial guess is wolves were worried which might suggest either 1. Kate was onto someone who was worried or 2. Kate can read the wolves well

Do you think past game performance affects wolf decisions in the current game?

lemme rephrase that: Is meta a legitimate concern when wolfing? obvs the answer to that is yes. Someone who's on a hot streak of solid high quality play is someone the wolf team absolutely will be concerned with managing and I saw nothing from Kate out of the gate that indicated they were in any way slowing down.

[Roxy]

@hollowkatt you are at least around a bit when I am can you tell me who is in your poe and why?

@Dennis can you do the same?

[hollowkatt]

@hollowkatt you are at least around a bit when I am can you tell me who is in your poe and why?

@Dennis can you do the same?

I'm comfortable calling sig, neon, wigly town

Porscha I think has been really weak the entire game in a suspect sort of way. Their D1 was very full of open ended questions that didn't get follow up, when I tried to shitpost at them when they asked who I'd want to interview or whatever it was there wasn't a pushback like I'd expect from someone who really wanted to use that information to either firm up a read on me or to press me on why I thought the way I did, it felt very much like busywork.

I know Porscha is moving house so I'm tempering that a little but still feels not town to me.

Dennis I think has been fluffy and weird but overall is skating the line between not town and town. I do think a wolf team that contains dennis could kill kate. I put no stock in "but he wouldn't do that to someone that town reads him" because I have done exactly that. You kill the person you need to kill and if that's someone that town reads you then lean into that.

Falcon is moving up lately for me, I like his posting today. Moving to a lean town from null

Fingersplints had a rough opening day but has picked up a bit, I like that. They seem inquisitive and are following up on things they're asking.
Lemon is a null to town lean mostly because I just don't remember anything they've talked about, we haven't engaged much if at all.

You're also in that same bucket again for the same reason. Though I did say earlier you were spicy and I tend to town read spicy more than not. I dunno what I'd say GTH tho, probably what ever doesn't get me shot

Sig is Sig. They're a solid player all around and almost carried the 3p team to victory in GOC after losing waza vv early and then losing me shortly thereafter. I do like his posting though, fills me with "I am solving" feels.

So ordered list I guess

town:
sig
neon
wigly
hk

leaning town
falcon
fingersplints

null
lemon
roxy
dennis

wolfy?
porscha

[Lemonfairy]

kinda hard to respond to a suspicion since you can't really say why.

I never really care about responses to suspicion tbh
I find it unhelpful most of the time

what I would like to know is probably who your top townreads are rn and why
and ig if there's been any change to your POE and reasons

plus if there's any relevant meta about you I should know that might have influenced my read, e.g., if there's anything you look for specifically, do you look for town first or scum first, etc.

pot meet kettle.
you accuse falcon of doing EXACTLY what you did to me - you funny

I don't think that's true
I don't think I have been dismissive of you but I haven't tried to interact with you and that's my problem

I think the questions I asked above are probably a good start
if you have anything you want to ask of me, feel free to

[Dennis]

@hollowkatt you are at least around a bit when I am can you tell me who is in your poe and why?

@Dennis can you do the same?

Fairy of lemons
DrWilgy
hollowkatt - voted you D1 but you have focused up since then
Roxy
fingersplints

Null

falcon45ca
sig - where did you go

Scum

Neon - Neon hasn't really said anything about anyone other than me I feel. Maybe she has and I don't remember it but she feels tunneled on me which is kinda silly at D2

Porscha - porscha felt like lhf before and I wanted to give them a chance to talk today, but they showed up and said little of actual content

This is loosely organized in groups

[Dennis]

@hollowkatt you are at least around a bit when I am can you tell me who is in your poe and why?

@Dennis can you do the same?

Dennis I think has been fluffy and weird but overall is skating the line between not town and town. I do think a wolf team that contains dennis could kill kate. I put no stock in "but he wouldn't do that to someone that town reads him" because I have done exactly that. You kill the person you need to kill and if that's someone that town reads you then lean into that.

Fluff is necessary for reaching 60 posts when thread is relatively slow

[Dennis]

[VOTE: porscha] aubergine

[Dennis]

@hollowkatt you are at least around a bit when I am can you tell me who is in your poe and why?

@Dennis can you do the same?

Fairy of lemons
DrWilgy
hollowkatt - voted you D1 but you have focused up since then
Roxy
fingersplints

Null

falcon45ca
sig - where did you go

Scum

Neon - Neon hasn't really said anything about anyone other than me I feel. Maybe she has and I don't remember it but she feels tunneled on me which is kinda silly at D2

Porscha - porscha felt like lhf before and I wanted to give them a chance to talk today, but they showed up and said little of actual content

This is loosely organized in groups

Forgot until immediately after I gave my teacher my phone that Neon also had that little thing with Roxy

But "for funzies" and "I'm only wrong until I'm right" is not towny. Give an actual reason for thinking Roxy is bad please

[falcon45ca]

Spoiler: show

This read is bad

Was Dennis pure then?

Was Dennis pure then?

Odds

ARE

That if so...

Then OPENs

Up to ROXY and DENNIS

But no, that doesn't make sense.

Surely you don't feel that Roxy and Dennis

Are BOTH in the PoE still.

That would be...

So lovely...

I’m confused by what you are saying here

One W on Dennis.

Who was that?

Be careful or they'll use a bat

One W on Pyxxy.

Who was that?

Be careful or they'll make you flat

One W floating free.

Who was that?

Be careful or they'll make you DEAD

Point 1 is ONLY impossible if there's a

W Dennis or

A 2nd on Pyxxy

The 2nd

Hoho ho...

The 2nd on Pyxxy

Is likely

Roxy.

again why? What makes you single me out? Why do you think I am bad.
I don't think wolves were anywhere near pyxxy's wagon.
Why?
Bc they knew they were town. Thats what makes me look everywhere but the Pyxxy voters.

Given the lack of wagon movement leading up to EOD, I'm inclined to agree

This logic does not compute...

It's the exact thing the scum team did in scooby Doo...m'iright @Dennis @sig ?

[Dennis]

Spoiler: show

Was Dennis pure then?

Was Dennis pure then?

Odds

ARE

That if so...

Then OPENs

Up to ROXY and DENNIS

But no, that doesn't make sense.

Surely you don't feel that Roxy and Dennis

Are BOTH in the PoE still.

That would be...

So lovely...

I’m confused by what you are saying here

One W on Dennis.

Who was that?

Be careful or they'll use a bat

One W on Pyxxy.

Who was that?

Be careful or they'll make you flat

One W floating free.

Who was that?

Be careful or they'll make you DEAD

Point 1 is ONLY impossible if there's a

W Dennis or

A 2nd on Pyxxy

The 2nd

Hoho ho...

The 2nd on Pyxxy

Is likely

Roxy.

again why? What makes you single me out? Why do you think I am bad.
I don't think wolves were anywhere near pyxxy's wagon.
Why?
Bc they knew they were town. Thats what makes me look everywhere but the Pyxxy voters.

Given the lack of wagon movement leading up to EOD, I'm inclined to agree

This logic does not compute...

It's the exact thing the scum team did in scooby Doo...m'iright @Dennis @sig ?

For sure

[falcon45ca]

it feel like falcon is treating my slot in a stingy way (I learned this from someone else but I forgot the actual word that was used but stingy is good enough) and that could be scummy
because usually town is looking to solve above all else and will hesitate and re-evaluate as long as I show some hints of towniness but scum tend to ignore towny pings and hone in on small things that make towns scummy in order to push agenda (or push for a misexe, same thing)

and yeah, I think my previous posts have reached a point where I can be reasonably townread (even if it's just a tone read)
especially with people who have not played with me before, they actually tend to err on the side of townreading me more than they probably should from the tone of my posts

falcon's response to me was also pretty dismissive and I don't think they're trying to solve me in earnest
and they still haven't answered my question on why they scumread me before

TL;DR voting lemon is a wolf claim

Vote me, sugar

[Syn]

Final Vote Count D2

Spoiler: show

[Syn]

Previously, a palliative pyxxy was pickled perilously. Pitter-patter on the potted pit, Porscha sits pickled prim too.

Porscha was a valiant villager!

N2 begins. The wolf team has 23 hours to get their night kill selection to me. D3 starts on Saturday, April 1 at 2:00 PM PST.

Spoiler: show

@Dennis
@DrWilgy
@falcon45ca
@fingersplints
@hollowkatt
@Lemonfairy
@Neon
@Porscha
@Roxy
@sig

[Syn]

Post Counts for D2



Available Post Counts for D3

Dennis 92 -> 212 (1st cap of 152)
Neon 72 -> 192 (1st cap of 132)
Lemonfairy 65 -> 185 (1st cap of 125)
hollowkatt 48 -> 168 (1st cap of 108)
DrWilgy 38 -> 158 (1st cap of 98)
falcon45ca 31 -> 151 (1st cap of 91)
Roxy 27 -> 147 (1st cap of 87)
fingersplints 19 -> 139 (1st cap of 79)
sig 16 -> 136 (1st cap of 76)

[Syn]

@Scotty is replacing @sig.

[Syn]

Danger dominoes down the drab, droll dune! DrWilgy is definitely dead despite definitely dabbling in doctoring.

D3 has begun. You are now in MYLO. You have 48 hours to decide the elimination, with the day ending on Monday, April 3 at 2:15 PM PST.

Sleep is a valid vote and can be hammered.

Spoiler: show

@Dennis
@DrWilgy
@falcon45ca
@fingersplints
@hollowkatt
@Lemonfairy
@Neon
@Roxy
@Scotty

[Scotty]

Well well well

This looks bleak. But fear not! Scrupulous Scotty is scouring the thread for suspicious scallions

I haven’t read anything nor have I played a mountainous game before *shudder* but it looks like y’all could use some help.

[Scotty]

Don’t all talk at once

I’m going to go straight to cherry picking ISOs based on NKs first. Maybe I’ll catch up by reading the short 11 pages later.

First- Kate. Why the heck was Kate killed N1? That’s already a . Her ISO doesn’t have many suspicions besides pyxxy, who immediately flipped town. This seems like a preventative kill on the surface. Who would want Kate dead out of everyone in this game? My initial suspects lie with people that might be scared of Kate down the line. This lines up with more of a relationship read in Dennis/Roxy/splints. again, this is only based upon reading of Kate’s iso

[Scotty]

Wilgy just died. Looking thru his iso now

Not for me, but someone is gonna do it

THAT WOULD BE ME IM RIGHT HERE HIIII

I doubt you're actually going to cap

HK lookin kinda sussy right out of the gate. Nice.

irk, makes wolves want to push on me. ez pickings after that.

So clearly the best route for us is to d1 HK, then D2 me.

Was a pleasure playing with y'all. Game's solved.

I donut support this plan I think we skip step 1 and go right to 2

Hell yeah, so we are thinking D1 me, D2 ?, D3 Neon then?

This post on D1 just jumped out to me because of Neon’s post. @Neon why so against an HK yet D1?

[Scotty]

Culligan and Callilily
Topeka Bodega
Little Metal Kettle
Swiss Wristwatches

Sorry, just doing some tongue twisters over here

[Scotty]

Reading through Wilgy’s iso is like reading the diary of a dolphin slowly gaining and losing sentience while channeling the Mad Hatter

[Scotty]

D | E | N | N | I | S

is

locktown

D | E | N | N | I | S

does not

K̷i̴l̷l̸

møthér...

Disagree with this. But I shan’t argue with the dead.

Quoth the raven, nevercorn

[hollowkatt]

sup scotty I think Kate was a SPK given they were the second most prolific person (or most i can't remember) in the thread before they died. My guess is the wolf team felt Kate was most likely to drive discussions/engage with everyone, and nobody really suspected Kate as being a wolf therefore blammo