Meta Mafia (day 4)

[Seanzie]

Bike mafia was my first game on TS, and so while it was awhile ago (not long compared to OGs but whatever), I remember it well. This is actually reminding me a bit of it. I think perhaps I gave epi too much credit early on.

[Seanzie]

Is it safe to kill falcon now?

No.

The first game we played together, you went after precieved-LHF-me. Now you're going after LHF Falcon.

Jesus, that was ages ago. I had to look it up.

Epignosis
2
13%

Voters: Long Con, Seanzie

The problem here is that you have me at the top of your list and you are accusing me of going after left handed fiddlers.

I was bad in Bike, so am I bad here?

Yes.

A part of me wishes to applaud the lack of shits given regarding consistency.

Another part is dying to defenestrate you.

You know, I think you even used that same gif in Bike.

[Epignosis]

No.

The first game we played together, you went after precieved-LHF-me. Now you're going after LHF Falcon.

Jesus, that was ages ago. I had to look it up.

Epignosis
2
13%

Voters: Long Con, Seanzie

The problem here is that you have me at the top of your list and you are accusing me of going after left handed fiddlers.

I was bad in Bike, so am I bad here?

Yes.

A part of me wishes to applaud the lack of shits given regarding consistency.

Another part is dying to defenestrate you.

You know, I think you even used that same gif in Bike.

It's a quote from Bike.

[Seanzie]

The first game we played together, you went after precieved-LHF-me. Now you're going after LHF Falcon.

Jesus, that was ages ago. I had to look it up.

Epignosis
2
13%

Voters: Long Con, Seanzie

The problem here is that you have me at the top of your list and you are accusing me of going after left handed fiddlers.

I was bad in Bike, so am I bad here?

Yes.

A part of me wishes to applaud the lack of shits given regarding consistency.

Another part is dying to defenestrate you.

You know, I think you even used that same gif in Bike.

It's a quote from Bike.

Oh, so it is...

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

No.

See, this is what I would call a "pressure vote."

I'm pressuring falcon into answering my questions because it's a "pressure vote." So many questions.

I'm also making other people (and maybe falcon's teammates) talk more about falcon because this is a "pressure vote."

It sucks when I label something a "pressure vote" because it exposes my ploy.

Is your Falcon stance still a pressure vote, or is it something different now?

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

No.

See, this is what I would call a "pressure vote."

I'm pressuring falcon into answering my questions because it's a "pressure vote." So many questions.

I'm also making other people (and maybe falcon's teammates) talk more about falcon because this is a "pressure vote."

It sucks when I label something a "pressure vote" because it exposes my ploy.

Is your Falcon stance still a pressure vote, or is it something different now?

I thought my overuse of quotation marks made it clear it wasn't that at all. Still, I found a connection between you and falcon. That's what it accomplished. You are hard against a dead falcon. I am not satisfied with your answers regarding why.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

No.

See, this is what I would call a "pressure vote."

I'm pressuring falcon into answering my questions because it's a "pressure vote." So many questions.

I'm also making other people (and maybe falcon's teammates) talk more about falcon because this is a "pressure vote."

It sucks when I label something a "pressure vote" because it exposes my ploy.

Is your Falcon stance still a pressure vote, or is it something different now?

I thought my overuse of quotation marks made it clear it wasn't that at all. Still, I found a connection between you and falcon. That's what it accomplished. You are hard against a dead falcon. I am not satisfied with your answers regarding why.

The connection is level 0 and tenuous at best. Me defending Falcon early game is NAI.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

No.

See, this is what I would call a "pressure vote."

I'm pressuring falcon into answering my questions because it's a "pressure vote." So many questions.

I'm also making other people (and maybe falcon's teammates) talk more about falcon because this is a "pressure vote."

It sucks when I label something a "pressure vote" because it exposes my ploy.

Is your Falcon stance still a pressure vote, or is it something different now?

I thought my overuse of quotation marks made it clear it wasn't that at all. Still, I found a connection between you and falcon. That's what it accomplished. You are hard against a dead falcon. I am not satisfied with your answers regarding why.

The connection is level 0 and tenuous at best. Me defending Falcon early game is NAI.

Yes, you both keep reminding me.

It's NAI for Sean to not want to flip me D1

[Epignosis]

What do you do when falcon is bad and you aren't?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Explain the 2 votes on me at start of day immediately

[Seanzie]

What do you do when falcon is bad and you aren't?

I elim them D1 and then town eventually loses.

[Seanzie]

Explain the 2 votes on me at start of day immediately

I believe you're emulating town play rather than playing as town.

[DrWilgy]

Rip SixStrings Syn and Syn SVS

What?

ttptptpptbfbbubptfpbubtffffPpPPPFFshShh

[Epignosis]

What do you do when falcon is bad and you aren't?

I elim them D1 and then town eventually loses.

[DrWilgy]

Vote consolidations:

Epignosis 1
Syn

Falcon 2
Epignosis, Splints

Lemonfairy 1
Neon

Neon 3
Lemonfairy, Matahari, Roxy

Syn 5
S~V~S, Dennis, SixStrings, Seanzie, DrWilgy

[Seanzie]

What do you do when falcon is bad and you aren't?

I elim them D1 and then town eventually loses.

Yes, now you're getting it. It got quite old quickly.

[DrWilgy]

So,

Who's the wolf between Epi, Splints?
Which one in Lemonfairy, Mata, Roxy?
And lastly which one in Dennis, SixStrings, or Seanzie?

[Seanzie]

@Epignosis do you still believe there is a connection between me/Falcon?

[Seanzie]

So,

Who's the wolf between Epi, Splints?
Which one in Lemonfairy, Mata, Roxy?
And lastly which one in Dennis, SixStrings, or Seanzie?

You don't think the wolves could have double-stacked?

[Seanzie]

Explain the 2 votes on me at start of day immediately

Your tail is showing.

[Epignosis]

I'm right here. No need to mention me. And not sure what changed in the last twenty minutes.

[Epignosis]

I'm on my last beer and going to bed afterward. If anybody wants anything from me, say so now. Tomorrow is the last NBA day and every team is playing, so RIP my free time.

[DrWilgy]

So,

Who's the wolf between Epi, Splints?
Which one in Lemonfairy, Mata, Roxy?
And lastly which one in Dennis, SixStrings, or Seanzie?

You don't think the wolves could have double-stacked?

If they did it was on Neon I think. I still feel generally good about the people on the Syn wagon, with exception SixStrings.

[Seanzie]

Yeah okay, I was wrong on Epi.

[Epignosis]

Regular season NBA day that is.

[Epignosis]

Yeah okay, I was wrong on Epi.

Show your work.

[Seanzie]

Yeah okay, I was wrong on Epi.

Show your work.

In what world does scum!Seanzie hard defend scum!Falcon like this? I'll wait.

[Seanzie]

Like Epi is not actually considering us as a team, they're just pushing us as elims.

[Epignosis]

Yeah okay, I was wrong on Epi.

Show your work.

In what world does scum!Seanzie hard defend scum!Falcon like this? I'll wait.

Like Epi is not actually considering us as a team, they're just pushing us as elims.

Were you wrong on me being mafia or wrong on me being the best option for caterer at your next luncheon?

[Seanzie]

Yeah okay, I was wrong on Epi.

Show your work.

In what world does scum!Seanzie hard defend scum!Falcon like this? I'll wait.

Like Epi is not actually considering us as a team, they're just pushing us as elims.

Were you wrong on me being mafia or wrong on me being the best option for caterer at your next luncheon?

Sorry about your rand.

[DrWilgy]

in no particular order:

Dennis - some posts felt weird (the ones about me not clarifying when I actually did clarify), probably fine aside from that... looking into ISO, I do kind of like the post on splints, now I remember they were also scumreading(?) me/syn
DrWilgy - readlist was bad but not necessarily scummy, kind of liked one post regarding SVS
Epignosis - first to point out SVS metaread (which I don't really buy but everyone seems to agree with it), idk... looking at ISO, I don't like the backtrack on falcon saying it was a pressure vote after Seanzie commented on it... but Epignosis said I wasn't mafia after that, which is makes me pocketed (:
falcon - don't remember... ISO: voted Neon after Neon said falcon was town and to not murder them for no reason, lowkey kind of agreed with initial suspicion on SVS's post, ooh falcon asked the same question I asked Epignosis...probably a good sign?
fingersplints - don't remember... ISO: post on SVS and Neon is ok - I don't like it but I don't hate it, kind of like the posts on SVS to Neon, another syn scumreader(?), comment on Six being different from Muppet Mafia...eh, probably fine
lemonfairy - it's me, lemon
matahari - uhh can't remember... ISO: 1 post (hello lovely people...) and nothing else
neon - been hopping on a few people... ISO: the hopping was mostly at start of game, says SVS's post feels fake, says SVS is threadspewed town (which I agree with) and Wilgy is town (SVS is a 180 from previous team of SVS/Dennis)... huh Neon might be town idk, her vote on me is bad though
roxy - in support of being defensive when pushed, no thoughts at time of posting... null
seanzie - clash in reads on Epi with Syn, didn't want a falcon D1 vote, feels fine idk
sixstrings - 3 posts, posts feel a bit stilted (might be b/c they are new), could be wolf
svs - liked as few of their later posts, feels like a consensus townread
syn - I vibe with syn, just going to townread them... ISO: mostly short posts, feels uncaring, posts are funny (passes vibecheck), reads are fine (referring to the changing of Wilgy's list)

Aye, lets break this down,

Re Dennis - I don't feel like you actually come to an alignment based decision here.
Re Me - Why was the readlist bad? Was it specifically the reds? What about the greens?
Re Epi - I'll take this as an SR?
Re Falc - This is a TR?
re Splints - This one seems hedgey
re Matahari - null, fair
re neon - slight tr with bad read?
re roxy - null
re sean - tr'd because of the falcon defense?
re six - wr because stilted

Lemon, this does still feel fluffy and kinda 'safe' on all takes. I slept on my initial read of you, and yeah, I do think that I was abit too deep on reading into the silly early reads, but this list is full of hedgey takes and your two real srs are just the low posters. Why exactly, are Neon and I presented as trs in spite of you disagreeing with our reads?

[DrWilgy]

Yeah okay, I was wrong on Epi.

Show your work.

In what world does scum!Seanzie hard defend scum!Falcon like this? I'll wait.

Like Epi is not actually considering us as a team, they're just pushing us as elims.

Were you wrong on me being mafia or wrong on me being the best option for caterer at your next luncheon?

Sorry about your rand.

Last time I saw you saying this you were a wolf misyeeting me.

[Epignosis]

Yeah okay, I was wrong on Epi.

Show your work.

In what world does scum!Seanzie hard defend scum!Falcon like this? I'll wait.

Like Epi is not actually considering us as a team, they're just pushing us as elims.

Were you wrong on me being mafia or wrong on me being the best option for caterer at your next luncheon?

Sorry about your rand.

Thanks for your sympathy.

Eleventh grade I had to read both Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead.

[DrWilgy]

DrWilgy also seemed like they scumread me more but they are voting Syn and not me hmm

The fact that you don't pose this as an actual question for me to answer and are talking to the crowd makes it seem like you are eager to discredit me tbh.

I just think there's a slightly higher chance I'm wrong on your alignment as opposed to Syn.

But also, there's nothing from keeping you as teammates. What is the chop of one wolf compared to the chop of another.

you weren't here so I was talking to thread
or to myself

did you explain why you scumread me so much- no, you kind of did, it was the reads vs posts ratio
have you changed your thoughts after reading the rest of my posts or are you still in the process of reading?

And that's it right there. I didn't but you only thought to ask now.

You went to discrediting the read before I even supplied it in full.

Simply put, early in your fluff to read ratio was bad, and momentum, I get it, but then your read list early was also bad even as a joke post.

You had Dennis, SVS, Six, Falcon, Splints, Mata and Roxy as scum with Me/Syn as T.

You also made some not W/W associations.

Even if it was for shits and giggles, I don't see this being pro town. The maybe fake maybe real not W/W associations just makes me think you are saying things to appear towny.

and that was because you weren't there
I'm just posting thoughts as I go

it feels like the reasons you have to scumread me aren't that strong and you're also avoiding actually voting me
I already know the read is wrong so it's not really a discredit but I still would like to know the full reason

and you did say you were going to respond to the rest of my reads before so maybe you'd have answered the questions I wanted to ask
no reason to drop a "why" there imo

I think it was fairly clear that a lot of the reads in #75 were very reachy and some were even silly
it's not really a post people would townread so idk why I, as scum, would post it for the purpose of getting townread

it was more for the purpose of generating more content and to get my head in the game, which it managed to do

Aye, I did feel that there was a higher chance I was wrong on you as opposed to Syn. Post economy also seems to imply that I'm more likely to solve you as opposed to Syn given you stick around.

Fair enough. I feel like I'd be more inclined to ask, but maybe that's a me thing.

And it did generate content, the point of a W making posts like that is exactly so they can say 'but look, I helped push the game out of RVS.'

[Epignosis]

All right, time to head to bed.

[DrWilgy]

Will address Lemon's read list when I'm on a computer.

yes, I deserve to be responded to on a computer

lol, you got the computer treatment.

[Seanzie]

Roxy

fingersplints
Lemonfairy

DrWilgy
Dennis

falcon45ca

SixStrings
Matahari

Neon

Epignosis

I'm not completely sure why Fingersplints ended up so high, but it is what it is. I'd like to see more from both SixStrings and Matahari because I feel like they are both pretty much null all this point.

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy - you are feeling less involved this game, doesn't affect your alignment tho I feel like I am having a hard time gauging your reads. Some feel a bit forced but I am unsure what or if that means anything. I am feeling townish from you but Imma need more from you, pretty please.

What reads of mine feel forced exactly?

[falcon45ca]

What do you do when falcon is bad and you aren't?

I'm always good, even when I'm bad

[falcon45ca]

@DrWilgy - you are feeling less involved this game, doesn't affect your alignment tho I feel like I am having a hard time gauging your reads. Some feel a bit forced but I am unsure what or if that means anything. I am feeling townish from you but Imma need more from you, pretty please.

What reads of mine feel forced exactly?

Do you feel youve had unforced reads, or is Roxy being disingenuous?

[falcon45ca]

Roxy

fingersplints
Lemonfairy

DrWilgy
Dennis

falcon45ca

SixStrings
Matahari

Neon

Epignosis

I'm not completely sure why Fingersplints ended up so high, but it is what it is. I'd like to see more from both SixStrings and Matahari because I feel like they are both pretty much null all this point.

Wait, what?



Why is fingers TR "is what it is"?



Why don't you question lemons placement as well?

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: sean] aubergine

[DrWilgy]

Still skimming EoD.

@Roxy Can you please elaborate on your Neon read in current for me? I'm finding that I'm tone reading you T, but your takes feel awfully lukewarm to me.

I recall in the past being able to find you at least remotely easily once you've put out your thoughts on each player, but that didn't happen this time.

@fingersplints what is your read on Roxy?

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy - you are feeling less involved this game, doesn't affect your alignment tho I feel like I am having a hard time gauging your reads. Some feel a bit forced but I am unsure what or if that means anything. I am feeling townish from you but Imma need more from you, pretty please.

What reads of mine feel forced exactly?

Do you feel youve had unforced reads, or is Roxy being disingenuous?

I mean, I'm not tying logic knots or anything.

I feel that Roxy would need to define the reads they see as forced. So kinda?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Explain the 2 votes on me at start of day immediately

I believe you're emulating town play rather than playing as town.

Why?

Also explain the wolfy motivation for anything that's happened?

[DrWilgy]

Oh, I never shared my previous notes from early catchup:

Spoiler: show

Meta Mafia

#1-8 Banter between SVS and Dennis
#13 SVS disappointment in Wilgy
#15 Syn pushes SVS/Wilgy
#22 Neon pockets Falcon
#25 Neon pushes Roxy/Wilgy
#29 Falcon pushes Neon
#40 Banter between Roxy, Neon, Dennis
#47 Dennis pockets Syn
#60 Lemon pushes Dennis, SVS, and Syn
#66 Syn pushes Dennis, and SVS re #60
#71 SVS defensive towards Lemon
#73 Syn pushes SVS further
#75 Lemon pushes Dennis, SVS, SixStrings, Falcon, Splints, Roxy, and Mata
Pockets Wilgy, Syn,
not W/W towards SVS/Wilgy, not W/W towards Dennis Neon
#76 Epi pockets SVS
#80 Dennis pushes Syn, Lemon
#85 Dennis pockets SVS
#107 Seanzie pushes Neon
#114 Banter between Lemon and Dennis
#122 Seanzie pockets Epi
#123 Syn pushes SVS
#124 Syn pushes Epi
#128 Seanzie pockets Epi
#129 Epi pushes Falcon
#131 Seanzie pockets Falcon
#142 Falcon pushes SVS
#145 Epi pockets Lemon
#150 Seanzie pushes Epi
#152 Seanzie pushes Syn
#159 Neon pushes Dennis
#166 Banter between Neon and Seanzie
#186 Banter between Neon and SVS (re playstyle)
#190 Roxy pockets SVS
#191 SVS pockets Neon, Lemon, pushes SixStrings
#194 Splints pockets SVS and Neon
#212 Dennis pushes Seanzie
#218 Neon pushes SVS/Dennis

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Explain the 2 votes on me at start of day immediately

Your tail is showing.

Last time you said this I flipped town. How many more until you realize your reads on me are just bad?

Or perhaps you are woofin?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Vote: Lemon

[DrWilgy]

Town: Splints, Wilgy
Lean town: SVS, Roxy, Epig, Dennis
Undecided: everyone else.

why for splints and wilgy?
maybe explain Epig too

I think GtH can be superficial, but it can be helpful too. I’m not 100% sure of anyone this early, but I GTH’d, and decided that those people appeared to be Town to me. And yes, I know I could be wrong, but just guessing on performance so far.
Epig seems to be straightforward, not creating chaos ( which I associate more with his wolf game),
Splints - is such a good wolf that it’s hard for me to decide on her, just using meta. So looking at her posts only, I’d say she’s actively scum hunting.
Wilgy- same as Splints, I rarely read him correctly, but his posts are screaming Town.

Mata, I believe during Muppets you were able to sort players by sensible association. Have you been able to do that this game?

[falcon45ca]

Wasn't impressed with IT part 1 though. Hoping this is better.

You would have been better served if you read the book making cool voice-overs for your kids <3 the movies SUCKED imho.

The book is Amazing (Gr 7 baby)



The TV Movie is OK.




The 1st movie was a very cool interpretation of the youth segments of the book. The 2nd movie was crap, as it tried to force comedy into too many scary moments...an audience can laugh at moments in a horror film, but if the comedy is too liberally sprinkled w/ the terror moments?



It's neither funny nor scary