Meta Mafia (day 4)

[fingersplints]

No I’m not acting like you are an idiot. This isn’t personal

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I apologise if you were offended. It was a bit flippant of a respond based on the fact that your math is clearly off as 50% the same is not exactly the same.

You could be amazing at math. In this case you were wrong, but idk for your RL.

You literally included some form of suspicion or negative comment about everyone in Roxys PoE except yourself lol

[fingersplints]

I wanted to see how he responded

[fingersplints]

I wanted to see how he responded

[fingersplints]

I’ll switch to less LHF PoE to make Neon happy though

[Dennis]

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

[Dennis]

Oh are you kidding me NOW when I vote I'm not breaking a tie I'm making one come on dude

[fingersplints]

What happens with ties this game

[Seanzie]

Roxy/Splints/Dennis

Bet.

I may or may not be serious. You decide.

I think this is highly unlikely.

Went is it unlikely?

There is an average of 2.345 town in that group.

[Lemonfairy]

hmmm Mata might just be town
I'm side-eyeing SixStrings a bit
Neon can still go tbh
(^these are from a skim)

going to read through/respond to everything now

[Lemonfairy]

[VOTE: dennis] aubergine for fun

??

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Roxy/Splints/Dennis

Bet.

I may or may not be serious. You decide.

I think this is highly unlikely.

Went is it unlikely?

There is an average of 2.345 town in that group.

Kay

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Vote: Neon

[Dennis]

[VOTE: dennis] aubergine for fun

??

Lmfao I forgot that happened ngl I thought he moved it

[Kate]

What happens with ties this game

randomized

[Lemonfairy]

(Lemon, get it)

sorry, just a pet peeve of mine
and I actually do think it's scum-indicative for someone to scumread me while not bothering to read my posts in full so it's just going to stay there for now

idk I'll sleep on it

I mean, you thought it was scum indicative of me to sr you and I've gone out of my way to quote the exact posts I have error with so...

idk I feel like I might be coming around on you
the main thing was the #75 read felt a bit forced b/c I thought it was very obvious what I was doing and that I was being very clear about it (usually I don't bother prefacing it with a "oh hey, this is what I'm about to do")

your explanations on your other reads are probably what makes me feel better about you
because at the end of the day, I'll probably still be biased when it comes to reads on me

[Lemonfairy]

yeah actually, maybe Wilgy is town

[DrWilgy]

I was about to vote Lemon and was kinda on board with that until I realized Six was voting there.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

We really gonna kill the new guy for no real reason eh?

[DrWilgy]

We really gonna kill the new guy for no real reason eh?

I mean, I don't have a real reason to delay at this point. There's not enough data to read them.

I really don't know how to interpret their behavior. It feels like well, just unsure, but neither unsure W or unsure T and idk how we'd get there.

I agree with you Roxy's read list is bad and think I could comfortably vote there.

I do not like that you are self voting tbh.

[DrWilgy]

Dennis - feels ok
DrWilgy - feels off but yet still ok
splints - feels off since the start off this day
Epignosis - feels ? but I am extremely unsure
falcon45ca - feels ok
Lemon - feels ok
Neon - is bad
SixStrings - is probs bad
Matahari - feels ok but I am unsure
Seanzie - feels ok

so for me Neon, Six, and splints, Epi

I am having a heller Monday with lots of meeting, one firing and a shit ton of paperwork. I'll try to be around when I can.

I'm legitimately unsure as to what deems Falcon as ok and Mata as ok but Six as probs bad.

[Lemonfairy]

oh I forgot to post my list but I was at:

Roxy
Seanzie

Dennis
fingersplints
Matahari

falcon
SixStrings

Epignosis
DrWilgy
Neon

I'm kind of wavering a bit now though and not as sure as I was before on some people

Why am I so high?

I don't remember
let me do a quick ISO

I think 1) because your reads vibed with mine, 2) might've been pocketed by the TR, 3) reads list from D2 changed a lot from D1 and I think scum might be more conscious of consistency, 4) your TR is actually hinged a bit on falcon's alignment and imo falcon's behavior towards you defending them (which was to vote you lol) felt surface-level towny to me so it should be ok, 5) you look pretty unaligned with Neon and Epi

[Lemonfairy]

I didn't actually end up reading much of the ISO btw
just remembered stuff off the top of my head

[DrWilgy]

My read list ...

Likely town
Seanzie
Roxy
fingersplints
Neon

Town leaning
Dennis
DrWilgy

Wolf leaning
Epignosis
falcon45ca
Matahari
Lemonfairy

And while I disagree on Roxy, this list is fine I suppose.

[Lemonfairy]

I was about to vote Lemon and was kinda on board with that

how could you

[fingersplints]

We really gonna kill the new guy for no real reason eh?

He doesn’t have any votes at this point, and to me his posting seems different from mafia. Which is mostly vibes, so. It a great reason, but also not no reason.

[Lemonfairy]

I have to go back and read what Six said about me >:c

[Lemonfairy]

I lost my place ;-;

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

We really gonna kill the new guy for no real reason eh?

I mean, I don't have a real reason to delay at this point. There's not enough data to read them.

I really don't know how to interpret their behavior. It feels like well, just unsure, but neither unsure W or unsure T and idk how we'd get there.

I agree with you Roxy's read list is bad and think I could comfortably vote there.

I do not like that you are self voting tbh.

Shrug yeets rarely benefit town

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I don't want to shrug yeet the new player

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

We really gonna kill the new guy for no real reason eh?

I mean, I don't have a real reason to delay at this point. There's not enough data to read them.

I really don't know how to interpret their behavior. It feels like well, just unsure, but neither unsure W or unsure T and idk how we'd get there.

I agree with you Roxy's read list is bad and think I could comfortably vote there.

I do not like that you are self voting tbh.

I'll kill myself before allowing the new guy to get shrugged to death

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Dennis - feels ok
DrWilgy - feels off but yet still ok
splints - feels off since the start off this day
Epignosis - feels ? but I am extremely unsure
falcon45ca - feels ok
Lemon - feels ok
Neon - is bad
SixStrings - is probs bad
Matahari - feels ok but I am unsure
Seanzie - feels ok

so for me Neon, Six, and splints, Epi

I am having a heller Monday with lots of meeting, one firing and a shit ton of paperwork. I'll try to be around when I can.

I'm legitimately unsure as to what deems Falcon as ok and Mata as ok but Six as probs bad.

Opportunity

[Lemonfairy]

before I go, I think I have a lot of people just existing and I'm kind of grouping them together and my read on them might 180 depending on flips of other people
but I'm not sure if I can reliably read people this way yet

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

We really gonna kill the new guy for no real reason eh?

He doesn’t have any votes at this point, and to me his posting seems different from mafia. Which is mostly vibes, so. It a great reason, but also not no reason.

I don't need the person to have votes to read how the thread is forming against them

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Vote: Roxy

[Lemonfairy]

There was some interactions more towards the end of D1 Dennis that looked like T Dennis. Either this is true or W Dennis has gotten better at faking reads.

Seanzie feels within his town range, He's kinda been doing middling work, especially how they've been re Epi and I associate that with his town play. During a recent game where I was misyeeted, Seanzie went hard for my push and was just unrelenting. I'd expect to see more behavior akin to that if W.

Neon's frustration during the SVS thing I still tl. I don't think W Neon tries to push the same point over and over, I think W Neon moves on.

like this post I pulled at random Wigly your thoughts read to me like:

Dennis could be TDennis
but he could have gotten better at his reads and be WDennis.

Seanzie town range but only doing middling work
but let me explain his wolf work too.

Neon Frustrated town
but WNeon would never do this
(even tho she did the exact same thing to me last game and with you TNeon'ed her then too lol)


Forced it's like I have to give reads otherwise people will wonder if I am bad so I will force some reads and ride that fence.

...oh no I kind of like this post from Roxy

[Lemonfairy]

actually no, Wilgy's explanations is probably still fine

[Lemonfairy]

actually no, Wilgy's explanations is probably still fine

*are

brain bad

[Lemonfairy]

Wilgy has always been a sort of easy read for me (actually I've never played with his as mafia. I'm terrified now) and nothing is out of line. He did his little wagonomics thing too which I always like from him. Kinda underwhelming for the top group I know but it is what it is

Epi v seanzie read like a difference check to me. Maybe I'm too quick to call something that isn't w/w a difference check but I do think there's a wolf in there. In their argument epi held his cool while seanzie wasn't really consistent, and backtracked on his epi townread as soon as he got pushed

agree that Epi/Seanzie is probs a difference check
I got a bit of the heebie-jeebies when Epi turned to push me for ?? reasons so I'm leaning more Seanzie town rn

might try to look at Epi again later

[Lemonfairy]

PoE today Sean, Mata, six, neon

I got natural wariness of Epi. Also niggling things about lemon and dennis.

Everyone else is town leaning atm

hmmmm
why Sean and Mata?

[Lemonfairy]

Apologies for this very wordy post, why use 3 words when you can use at least 7? Also, I know absolutely nothing at this point, so you’re about to get a sample of how my scatterbrain works.
Probably Town: Roxy
Surface Town: Dennis, Wilgy, Epig
PoE: everyone else

This is not terribly helpful so I’ll use another method- who would kill SVS on night 1? She is brilliant as either affiliation and so is Epig and Wilgy. So why choose SVS? If it was because the mafia figured she would read them, then I would suspect one/some of Epig, Wilgy, splints, and maybe Dennis or Six.
If it was because SVS had not suspected them yet, or had backed off of them, then nearly everyone ??? This one makes me look a bit harder at Neon and Lemon.
Neon is not playing the way she played in her town games that I have seen, which I said before-3 Town games is not much to go on. But it’s all I have to work with so I’m not going to ignore it. I would have to add Falcon in here also. I don’t think he’s playing the same as the only 3 games I’ve seen him in (he was Town in those games)
Now, here I go with my not-so-deep thoughts that will probably mean nothing, but it’s my process.

What if neon and Lemonfairy keep voting each other without even trying to persuade the town of why they think the other is wolf? Does this feel like bold distancing, or is this just how some people play? Does it mean something or nothing? I find it suspicious, and would appreciate feedback if anyone has any thoughts on this.

The players I’m most worried about are Falcon, Splints, Neon, and worried (but a little less) are Lemonfairy, Seanzie, Six.

Mata just listed like 6 scumreads
think they're probably town

me/Neon being w/w is very unlikely
idk, do I need to persuade people that Neon is a wolf? I think her behavior feels pretty self-evident

that reminds me, Wilgy townreading Neon also kind of threw me off wrt Wilgy's slot
same with Dennis but Dennis got two games mixed up lol

[Lemonfairy]

[VOTE: SixStrings] aubergine

why?

[Lemonfairy]

[VOTE: Lemonfairy] aubergine
Based primarily on the last day of comments from Dr Wilgy and Epi, I feel their interactions with Lemonfairy cast enough suspicion for my vote.

yo what
can you quote them and explain which parts you found suspicious?

[Lemonfairy]

[VOTE: Lemonfairy] aubergine
Based primarily on the last day of comments from Dr Wilgy and Epi, I feel their interactions with Lemonfairy cast enough suspicion for my vote.

This of course is subject to change, and I realize that it also does not help with any consensus as we have all voted for different people so far.

who else do you suspect aside from me then?

[Lemonfairy]

@Lemonfairy what say you on Neon, please

10/10 would vote

[Lemonfairy]

There was some interactions more towards the end of D1 Dennis that looked like T Dennis. Either this is true or W Dennis has gotten better at faking reads.

Seanzie feels within his town range, He's kinda been doing middling work, especially how they've been re Epi and I associate that with his town play. During a recent game where I was misyeeted, Seanzie went hard for my push and was just unrelenting. I'd expect to see more behavior akin to that if W.

Neon's frustration during the SVS thing I still tl. I don't think W Neon tries to push the same point over and over, I think W Neon moves on.

like this post I pulled at random Wigly your thoughts read to me like:

Dennis could be TDennis
but he could have gotten better at his reads and be WDennis.

Seanzie town range but only doing middling work
but let me explain his wolf work too.

Neon Frustrated town
but WNeon would never do this
(even tho she did the exact same thing to me last game and with you TNeon'ed her then too lol)


Forced it's like I have to give reads otherwise people will wonder if I am bad so I will force some reads and ride that fence.

So you say I'm hedging? Because that doesn't make sense. Lemon asked as to why I TR these people, so I explained.

Dennis seems solidly within his t meta as I iterated and I'm only wrong if they've stepped up their W game by a large margin.

Should I not use meta to explain a meta read on Seanzie? Especially when Lemon may not have the context?

I'll reread Neon from last game and compare. I mostly stopped paying attention after I was murderified.

Spoiler it's literally not the same

can you list like 5 differences?
iirc you said you could list a gazillion

[Lemonfairy]

Wow a lot of my saved posts were fluff

I guess everything important was in that first post

wait, Dennis
can you post a reads list for me pls and ty

Not gonna lie I didn't really think much before and Neon is lower than I said when I answered seanzie, but not my first chop

They're not ordered within groups

Lemonfairy
Roxy
DrWilgy

fingersplints
Epignosis
falcon45ca

Neon
SixStrings
Matahari

Seanzie

Dennis are you howlin?

Nyope that's cringe

Weird cause like your treatment of me these past 2 pages is super woofy

how was it wolfy?

[fingersplints]

PoE today Sean, Mata, six, neon

I got natural wariness of Epi. Also niggling things about lemon and dennis.

Everyone else is town leaning atm

hmmmm
why Sean and Mata?

Sean was his early comments about falcon.
Mata is careful in her words as always. Don’t have much of a case there. Just how I feel. And it comes down to who I feel best about and who is left.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

There was some interactions more towards the end of D1 Dennis that looked like T Dennis. Either this is true or W Dennis has gotten better at faking reads.

Seanzie feels within his town range, He's kinda been doing middling work, especially how they've been re Epi and I associate that with his town play. During a recent game where I was misyeeted, Seanzie went hard for my push and was just unrelenting. I'd expect to see more behavior akin to that if W.

Neon's frustration during the SVS thing I still tl. I don't think W Neon tries to push the same point over and over, I think W Neon moves on.

like this post I pulled at random Wigly your thoughts read to me like:

Dennis could be TDennis
but he could have gotten better at his reads and be WDennis.

Seanzie town range but only doing middling work
but let me explain his wolf work too.

Neon Frustrated town
but WNeon would never do this
(even tho she did the exact same thing to me last game and with you TNeon'ed her then too lol)


Forced it's like I have to give reads otherwise people will wonder if I am bad so I will force some reads and ride that fence.

So you say I'm hedging? Because that doesn't make sense. Lemon asked as to why I TR these people, so I explained.

Dennis seems solidly within his t meta as I iterated and I'm only wrong if they've stepped up their W game by a large margin.

Should I not use meta to explain a meta read on Seanzie? Especially when Lemon may not have the context?

I'll reread Neon from last game and compare. I mostly stopped paying attention after I was murderified.

Spoiler it's literally not the same

can you list like 5 differences?
iirc you said you could list a gazillion

Read it yourself

[fingersplints]

[VOTE: SixStrings] aubergine

why?

I wanted to see how he responded