Because…falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:26 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 12:15 amMmh okay I understand. I think I know why you're seeing that but I don't want to sayfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:14 pmDennis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:06 pm Who has treated my slot the scummiest - a question for everyone
I would say Falcon
He came in complaining about being lost or disconnected or whatever and just grabbed onto me as Roxy and splints jumped me, then said I was stirring the pot while also just stirring the pot himself
I am snapvoting anyone who unironically tells me to stop OMGUSing without also telling me what there is to talk about other than myself
You are playing a very similar game to your last Maf game, as in there are posts, but no true solving.
What I meant by calling you a pot stirrer is that I dint see any solving...no pushing, no real reads...lots of recaps and "yeah, but also" that don't actually push any reads or try and make any connections really.
It's safe. You're playing a very safe game.
Are you town? Then show me, help solve
You may as well let it out, we're in MYLO...I don't see why you'd hold back
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It was happening at the time you claimed I was fighting with RoxyDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:01 pmI guess I probably did push that narrative on accident but none of you are listening to me clearly since I said giving myself a sorta tunnel vision helps me focus and you don't have to follow mefingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:49 amDennis says here that the only think me and Rox agree on is Six. Because he is pushing the narrative that we are fighting and that’s weird for usDennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:56 pmAm I missing somethingNeon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:52 pmThey aren't disagreeing at allDennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:42 pm@Roxy and splints, is it common for you two to disagree as town? From my understanding you two generally see eye to eye so I wonder what this could meanfingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:00 pmRoxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:22 am Dennis - feels ok
DrWilgy - feels off but yet still ok
splints - feels off since the start off this day
Epignosis - feels ? but I am extremely unsure
falcon45ca - feels ok
Lemon - feels ok
Neon - is bad
SixStrings - is probs bad
Matahari - feels ok but I am unsure
Seanzie - feels ok
so for me Neon, Six, and splints, Epi
I am having a heller Monday with lots of meeting, one firing and a shit ton of paperwork. I'll try to be around when I can.
I am off this day but it’s un game related.
I disagree with most everything you say except I’m getting the same vibe from six. Trying to give him BoTD as new player but hard to ignore
They've stated a disagreement but than Splints went and basically made the same PoE
It's distancing bb
Though I did forget splints reads list so maybe I should figure that out but it looks like the only part they agree is six
But notice how he doesn’t mention this at all again while neon and I squabble about me copying Rox
Did I say anything while neon and you fought? Cause I don't remember that even happening and I doubt I was in thread for it
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Suspecting/threat to you. SVS is a close family friend. Rox’s last post was about you. I admit I didn’t think about the lemon aspect too much here. Sorry my bad on that one but I bet if I look back it fitsDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:55 pmI explained why I wanted to decide between you two, and you ignored me so if you wanna keep pushing that have funfingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:33 am His game is completely different from his town game. He is shit stirring instead of actual solving, like when he said Rox and I were fighting so needed to decide between those two. His posts are a bit too jokey in nature for this late in the game. Plus all the kills make sense from a Dennis/wolf scenario
Sorry, I'll turn off my personality and start depression posting now cause we're gonna lose. I don't see why I can't try to have some fun still
Explain why all of the kills make sense then
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Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:37 pm I feel a lot better about Falcon today than I did yesterday.
FS
Wilgy
Falcon
Six
Epi
Dennis
Did I miss anyone?
Epi made a good point about SixStrings yesterday feeling lost, and therefore townie. At the time that resonated with me, but now I am not so sure.
Dennis/Epi/Six
Dennis/Epi/Wilgy
Dennis/Six/Falcon
Dennis/Six/Wilgy
Dennis/Falcon/Wilgy
I have a hard time seeing a world where Dennis is not a wolf, but if I do a trustfall maybe Epi/Six/Wilgy? I feel like Falcon/Epi are never w/w here and I am okay leaving FS out of potential teams, so I'd guess one of these is exactly the team, and this is more-or-less sorted from most to least likely
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:22 pmI really tried to iso him and I almost fell asleepfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:08 pm
What's your take on Sean, the other player voting your wagon?
He's towny enough with that massive post naming like 7 teams with me, but still willing to consider at least one team without me
There are 0 world where he should be the chop today
How do you feel now?
Cuz if that's your rationale, I have already said I have tinfoil on Sean & Wilgy...so yeah, I don't think it's impossible for you to be town, just like Sean...but you're treating us very differently
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Probably not but I don't see why that really mattersfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:25 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:52 pmThen why didn't you say that beforefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 10:50 am
I also found that post especially scummy
Feels like you just wanna fit in until I flip and game ends now
I don't post every thought in my head, or how I'm reading a player. This is known.
Can you point to any games of mine where I, as Maf, start off slow and then ramp up my activity?
Especially in a slow game like this where somehow I have like 3rd top poster
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Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:31 pmProbably not but I don't see why that really mattersfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:25 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:52 pmThen why didn't you say that beforefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 10:50 am
I also found that post especially scummy
Feels like you just wanna fit in until I flip and game ends now
I don't post every thought in my head, or how I'm reading a player. This is known.
Can you point to any games of mine where I, as Maf, start off slow and then ramp up my activity?
Especially in a slow game like this where somehow I have like 3rd top poster
Wait, so part of your read is now that I'm playing anti-meta for the first time as Maf?
If I'm misunderstanding, help me.
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One major factor is the votesfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:25 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:22 pmI really tried to iso him and I almost fell asleepfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:08 pm
What's your take on Sean, the other player voting your wagon?
He's towny enough with that massive post naming like 7 teams with me, but still willing to consider at least one team without me
There are 0 world where he should be the chop today
So how exactly is Sean's push on you towny, whereas mine is not?
The scale of you talking about epi compared to me, but having your vote on epi, is really confusing me
Also he felt like he came to his own conclusions somehow, whereas you kinda popped in and just followed the crowd
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Because it isn't game related and would pretty much be me guilt shaming youfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:26 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 12:15 amMmh okay I understand. I think I know why you're seeing that but I don't want to sayfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:14 pmDennis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:06 pm Who has treated my slot the scummiest - a question for everyone
I would say Falcon
He came in complaining about being lost or disconnected or whatever and just grabbed onto me as Roxy and splints jumped me, then said I was stirring the pot while also just stirring the pot himself
I am snapvoting anyone who unironically tells me to stop OMGUSing without also telling me what there is to talk about other than myself
You are playing a very similar game to your last Maf game, as in there are posts, but no true solving.
What I meant by calling you a pot stirrer is that I dint see any solving...no pushing, no real reads...lots of recaps and "yeah, but also" that don't actually push any reads or try and make any connections really.
It's safe. You're playing a very safe game.
Are you town? Then show me, help solve
You may as well let it out, we're in MYLO...I don't see why you'd hold back
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Interesting as Dennis has previously stated he has issues with OMGUSfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:31 pmSeanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:37 pm I feel a lot better about Falcon today than I did yesterday.
FS
Wilgy
Falcon
Six
Epi
Dennis
Did I miss anyone?
Epi made a good point about SixStrings yesterday feeling lost, and therefore townie. At the time that resonated with me, but now I am not so sure.
Dennis/Epi/Six
Dennis/Epi/Wilgy
Dennis/Six/Falcon
Dennis/Six/Wilgy
Dennis/Falcon/Wilgy
I have a hard time seeing a world where Dennis is not a wolf, but if I do a trustfall maybe Epi/Six/Wilgy? I feel like Falcon/Epi are never w/w here and I am okay leaving FS out of potential teams, so I'd guess one of these is exactly the team, and this is more-or-less sorted from most to least likelyDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:22 pmI really tried to iso him and I almost fell asleepfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:08 pm
What's your take on Sean, the other player voting your wagon?
He's towny enough with that massive post naming like 7 teams with me, but still willing to consider at least one team without me
There are 0 world where he should be the chop today
How do you feel now?
Cuz if that's your rationale, I have already said I have tinfoil on Sean & Wilgy...so yeah, I don't think it's impossible for you to be town, just like Sean...but you're treating us very differently
Why not Sean?
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Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:35 pmOne major factor is the votesfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:25 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:22 pmI really tried to iso him and I almost fell asleepfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:08 pm
What's your take on Sean, the other player voting your wagon?
He's towny enough with that massive post naming like 7 teams with me, but still willing to consider at least one team without me
There are 0 world where he should be the chop today
So how exactly is Sean's push on you towny, whereas mine is not?
The scale of you talking about epi compared to me, but having your vote on epi, is really confusing me
Also he felt like he came to his own conclusions somehow, whereas you kinda popped in and just followed the crowd
I find Epi the most scummy player in the game, by far.
Never expresses any other scum reads save me, never answered my question as to what question he even had for me to begin with...that was part of his SR on me by the way, so he doesn't even want to find out, and never answers my question about what his reads on the game are.
Around at EOD for no purpose, as he doesn't change or adjust his reads or votes.
None of this is towny behavior
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It was pretty obvious I was going over either yesterday or today, killing people who are threats to me is pointless and just makes me look blatantly bad. It probably wasn't even in the wolves plan that Mata goes over instead of me yesterday but they stuck with it, and then killed Roxy to push this exact narrativefingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:30 pmSuspecting/threat to you. SVS is a close family friend. Rox’s last post was about you. I admit I didn’t think about the lemon aspect too much here. Sorry my bad on that one but I bet if I look back it fitsDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:55 pmI explained why I wanted to decide between you two, and you ignored me so if you wanna keep pushing that have funfingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:33 am His game is completely different from his town game. He is shit stirring instead of actual solving, like when he said Rox and I were fighting so needed to decide between those two. His posts are a bit too jokey in nature for this late in the game. Plus all the kills make sense from a Dennis/wolf scenario
Sorry, I'll turn off my personality and start depression posting now cause we're gonna lose. I don't see why I can't try to have some fun still
Explain why all of the kills make sense then
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Did youfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:31 pmSeanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:37 pm I feel a lot better about Falcon today than I did yesterday.
FS
Wilgy
Falcon
Six
Epi
Dennis
Did I miss anyone?
Epi made a good point about SixStrings yesterday feeling lost, and therefore townie. At the time that resonated with me, but now I am not so sure.
Dennis/Epi/Six
Dennis/Epi/Wilgy
Dennis/Six/Falcon
Dennis/Six/Wilgy
Dennis/Falcon/Wilgy
I have a hard time seeing a world where Dennis is not a wolf, but if I do a trustfall maybe Epi/Six/Wilgy? I feel like Falcon/Epi are never w/w here and I am okay leaving FS out of potential teams, so I'd guess one of these is exactly the team, and this is more-or-less sorted from most to least likelyDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:22 pmI really tried to iso him and I almost fell asleepfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:08 pm
What's your take on Sean, the other player voting your wagon?
He's towny enough with that massive post naming like 7 teams with me, but still willing to consider at least one team without me
There are 0 world where he should be the chop today
How do you feel now?
Cuz if that's your rationale, I have already said I have tinfoil on Sean & Wilgy...so yeah, I don't think it's impossible for you to be town, just like Sean...but you're treating us very differently
If you did I missed it or forgot
Either way I would rather not kill either of you today to be honest, I was voting you for self pres and youre in my team but eod is like more than an irl day away
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No I mean, I don't exactly see how that is AIfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:34 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:31 pmProbably not but I don't see why that really mattersfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:25 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:52 pmThen why didn't you say that beforefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 10:50 am
I also found that post especially scummy
Feels like you just wanna fit in until I flip and game ends now
I don't post every thought in my head, or how I'm reading a player. This is known.
Can you point to any games of mine where I, as Maf, start off slow and then ramp up my activity?
Especially in a slow game like this where somehow I have like 3rd top poster
Wait, so part of your read is now that I'm playing anti-meta for the first time as Maf?
If I'm misunderstanding, help me.
I guess I was like very subtly asking for an explanation on how it is
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Because I feel Sean is pushing me in good faith, and I mulled it over and decided I'm not OMGUSing youfingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:37 pmInteresting as Dennis has previously stated he has issues with OMGUSfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:31 pmSeanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:37 pm I feel a lot better about Falcon today than I did yesterday.
FS
Wilgy
Falcon
Six
Epi
Dennis
Did I miss anyone?
Epi made a good point about SixStrings yesterday feeling lost, and therefore townie. At the time that resonated with me, but now I am not so sure.
Dennis/Epi/Six
Dennis/Epi/Wilgy
Dennis/Six/Falcon
Dennis/Six/Wilgy
Dennis/Falcon/Wilgy
I have a hard time seeing a world where Dennis is not a wolf, but if I do a trustfall maybe Epi/Six/Wilgy? I feel like Falcon/Epi are never w/w here and I am okay leaving FS out of potential teams, so I'd guess one of these is exactly the team, and this is more-or-less sorted from most to least likelyDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:22 pmI really tried to iso him and I almost fell asleepfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:08 pm
What's your take on Sean, the other player voting your wagon?
He's towny enough with that massive post naming like 7 teams with me, but still willing to consider at least one team without me
There are 0 world where he should be the chop today
How do you feel now?
Cuz if that's your rationale, I have already said I have tinfoil on Sean & Wilgy...so yeah, I don't think it's impossible for you to be town, just like Sean...but you're treating us very differently
Why not Sean?
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Yes go silent run off to baddie chat [insert evil laughing emoji here]
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:44 pmNo I mean, I don't exactly see how that is AIfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:34 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:31 pmProbably not but I don't see why that really mattersfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:25 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:52 pmThen why didn't you say that before
Feels like you just wanna fit in until I flip and game ends now
I don't post every thought in my head, or how I'm reading a player. This is known.
Can you point to any games of mine where I, as Maf, start off slow and then ramp up my activity?
Especially in a slow game like this where somehow I have like 3rd top poster
Wait, so part of your read is now that I'm playing anti-meta for the first time as Maf?
If I'm misunderstanding, help me.
I guess I was like very subtly asking for an explanation on how it is
You don't find playing within, or completely outside of, meta AI?
That's...unusual. So, if at anytime a person in your life, Maf or IRL, does something that is 100% out of character for them...you don't find that odd?
Conversely, if a person in Maf or IRL does something that you routinely expect them to do...you find that normal, I'd assume?
How is playing in a manner that is so antithetical to their normal approach NOT AI? It totally is, it doesn't mean it's 100% guarantee, but of course it's AI, and it's a major part of how many, many, many reads this game have been approached
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Not quite what I meantfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:48 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:44 pmNo I mean, I don't exactly see how that is AIfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:34 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:31 pmProbably not but I don't see why that really mattersfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:25 pm
I don't post every thought in my head, or how I'm reading a player. This is known.
Can you point to any games of mine where I, as Maf, start off slow and then ramp up my activity?
Especially in a slow game like this where somehow I have like 3rd top poster
Wait, so part of your read is now that I'm playing anti-meta for the first time as Maf?
If I'm misunderstanding, help me.
I guess I was like very subtly asking for an explanation on how it is
You don't find playing within, or completely outside of, meta AI?
That's...unusual. So, if at anytime a person in your life, Maf or IRL, does something that is 100% out of character for them...you don't find that odd?
Conversely, if a person in Maf or IRL does something that you routinely expect them to do...you find that normal, I'd assume?
How is playing in a manner that is so antithetical to their normal approach NOT AI? It totally is, it doesn't mean it's 100% guarantee, but of course it's AI, and it's a major part of how many, many, many reads this game have been approached
Something more like, this game has been pretty low posting/wim/whatever you want to call it. So when people show up and start posting a lot more, meta doesn't matter as much as the current game in specific for reads imo, so being more active as wolf than normal doesn't really mean much
Ya follow? Was that hard to understand I might've explained poorly
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 2)
Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:36 am @Dennis- You've been trying to play the same but it's off a bit. You made only (1) rainbow list is that bc you wanted to be able to claim later in the game you find it pointless? I mean really a rainbow list is in fact a baddies/teamie list. I am not sure I under stand *what* point you are making. Rainbows good, reads good but GTH baddie team lists are bad uh-ok.
@DrWilgy do I bother with you? For two games with you all I have done is defend my town play. Did you even remember our past games? Nope. It's *easier* to just continue on with this one post I can point to and be able to say "eww". Sorry my POE was shit. I am done trying to constantly trying to convince you of my townie-ness. It's tiresome and boring. So you can call be bad and mis-elim me from here to eternity and I will be ok with that <3
@Epignosis - you have been mentioned and talked about. But all you have done this game is pounce on Lemon, chat with Seanzie and vote for falcon. It's boring and quite ho-hum from what I can remember from playing with you previously. Not your style at all. Literally trying to shut convo down. You are not even hunting yourself since Lemon so why are you trying to tell players you cannot see a reason in their style of hunting? Look for one at a time? Well who is your one at a time? WHY?????
@falcon45ca It's like Seanzie has a button on his phone/computer that he presses when he posts about you and you pop right up like a trained puppy and post. I find it so funny tbh. It also however has me giving you and Seanzie the side eye. I am not agreeing with as much as normal and it has me worried. I did like your appeasment post about Mata bc I felt that way too. I still feel townie from you but now I am iffy on everyone.
@fingersplints - I hope I am not wrong about you. <3 Who do you think will be the best choice for a baddie elim? Maybe put them in some sort of order.
@Matahari - I am loving that we are all back and playing together again. I feel like you are having an hard time finding your footing in this game which in turn reminds me of L,G &M when we were bad together. Your posts had the same "lost" vibe and you never really put any roots down that game just like this one. It's why I find you suspicious. This post right here is what I am talking about. No roots. No solid takes.
@Seanzie - Even if your teams are all low posters, who cares at this point? Let's all try to get at least one name in common that we all find suspicious and elim them and go from there? At least it would be a start and something we all tried together. I am looking forward to your after work meeting but pre-elim thoughts today.
@SixStrings - I really, really hate that I think you are bad this game. I have asked you questions, asked you for GTH reads and you completely ignored my posts. You said you are unsure how to defend but can you learn by not trying? I find it difficult to learn that way in order to learn it one must try it first. So get your ass in here and tell me why I should not just vote you out. What makes you more town than other players? Do a rainbow. Make a list. Idc but try Six!
Just look at how many reads in this list incorporate expected play based off history into them.
I ask you Dennis, how is it not AI that I, in over 60 games played, don't have any history at all of increasing my thread presence late game as Maf?
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OK, but @Dennis I asked specifically if I have ever ramped up my thread presence as Maf like this, and it seems to me you don't think that's AI that I have never once done so
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
Seems wolfy convenient to disregard what you know of people’s general game style because it doesn’t fit accusations this game.Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:53 pmNot quite what I meantfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:48 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:44 pmNo I mean, I don't exactly see how that is AIfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:34 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:31 pmProbably not but I don't see why that really mattersfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:25 pm
I don't post every thought in my head, or how I'm reading a player. This is known.
Can you point to any games of mine where I, as Maf, start off slow and then ramp up my activity?
Especially in a slow game like this where somehow I have like 3rd top poster
Wait, so part of your read is now that I'm playing anti-meta for the first time as Maf?
If I'm misunderstanding, help me.
I guess I was like very subtly asking for an explanation on how it is
You don't find playing within, or completely outside of, meta AI?
That's...unusual. So, if at anytime a person in your life, Maf or IRL, does something that is 100% out of character for them...you don't find that odd?
Conversely, if a person in Maf or IRL does something that you routinely expect them to do...you find that normal, I'd assume?
How is playing in a manner that is so antithetical to their normal approach NOT AI? It totally is, it doesn't mean it's 100% guarantee, but of course it's AI, and it's a major part of how many, many, many reads this game have been approached
Something more like, this game has been pretty low posting/wim/whatever you want to call it. So when people show up and start posting a lot more, meta doesn't matter as much as the current game in specific for reads imo, so being more active as wolf than normal doesn't really mean much
Ya follow? Was that hard to understand I might've explained poorly
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
Then no, I don't remember a time you've done this and no, I don't think it's NAI or that meta is NAIfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:55 pm OK, but @Dennis I asked specifically if I have ever ramped up my thread presence as Maf like this, and it seems to me you don't think that's AI that I have never once done so
Maybe I took this game in specific into consideration too much if this is what I seemed to imply
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
Seems like an easy way to ignore my post and not have to acknowledge the point I madefingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 4:05 pmSeems wolfy convenient to disregard what you know of people’s general game style because it doesn’t fit accusations this game.Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:53 pmNot quite what I meantfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:48 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:44 pmNo I mean, I don't exactly see how that is AIfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:34 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:31 pmProbably not but I don't see why that really mattersfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:25 pm
I don't post every thought in my head, or how I'm reading a player. This is known.
Can you point to any games of mine where I, as Maf, start off slow and then ramp up my activity?
Especially in a slow game like this where somehow I have like 3rd top poster
Wait, so part of your read is now that I'm playing anti-meta for the first time as Maf?
If I'm misunderstanding, help me.
I guess I was like very subtly asking for an explanation on how it is
You don't find playing within, or completely outside of, meta AI?
That's...unusual. So, if at anytime a person in your life, Maf or IRL, does something that is 100% out of character for them...you don't find that odd?
Conversely, if a person in Maf or IRL does something that you routinely expect them to do...you find that normal, I'd assume?
How is playing in a manner that is so antithetical to their normal approach NOT AI? It totally is, it doesn't mean it's 100% guarantee, but of course it's AI, and it's a major part of how many, many, many reads this game have been approached
Something more like, this game has been pretty low posting/wim/whatever you want to call it. So when people show up and start posting a lot more, meta doesn't matter as much as the current game in specific for reads imo, so being more active as wolf than normal doesn't really mean much
Ya follow? Was that hard to understand I might've explained poorly
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
What point am I ignoring? That this game is low posting so it people’s end of game play style can’t be compared to past games for reference?
Correct me if that is inaccurate and not what you are saying but if it is I disagree, and again I think you are saying that to push your faked suspicion of me as it’s pretty clear this game and my posting the end of last game we played together as mafia are as different as night and day. But that game was also low posting, so how do you explain the difference then?
Correct me if that is inaccurate and not what you are saying but if it is I disagree, and again I think you are saying that to push your faked suspicion of me as it’s pretty clear this game and my posting the end of last game we played together as mafia are as different as night and day. But that game was also low posting, so how do you explain the difference then?
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
I do want to say that although I very clearly think you are a wolf, I do love the mafia player you have become @Dennis
You really hold your own
You really hold your own
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:36 pmBecause it isn't game related and would pretty much be me guilt shaming youfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:26 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 12:15 amMmh okay I understand. I think I know why you're seeing that but I don't want to sayfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:14 pmDennis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:06 pm Who has treated my slot the scummiest - a question for everyone
I would say Falcon
He came in complaining about being lost or disconnected or whatever and just grabbed onto me as Roxy and splints jumped me, then said I was stirring the pot while also just stirring the pot himself
I am snapvoting anyone who unironically tells me to stop OMGUSing without also telling me what there is to talk about other than myself
You are playing a very similar game to your last Maf game, as in there are posts, but no true solving.
What I meant by calling you a pot stirrer is that I dint see any solving...no pushing, no real reads...lots of recaps and "yeah, but also" that don't actually push any reads or try and make any connections really.
It's safe. You're playing a very safe game.
Are you town? Then show me, help solve
You may as well let it out, we're in MYLO...I don't see why you'd hold back
Dude, I am too old to feel shame
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
It's more the upstrike in post count, meaning wolves would want to be more active than before so they can hold their thread pull, and it's arguably not super important that it goes against meta. Especially here, where wolves are on the grasp of winning this game. They would be more incentivized to keep the thread going the way they wantfingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 4:18 pm What point am I ignoring? That this game is low posting so it people’s end of game play style can’t be compared to past games for reference?
Correct me if that is inaccurate and not what you are saying but if it is I disagree, and again I think you are saying that to push your faked suspicion of me as it’s pretty clear this game and my posting the end of last game we played together as mafia are as different as night and day. But that game was also low posting, so how do you explain the difference then?
The post you reacted to with the "seems wolfy to" blah blah blah was directed at falcon, not you
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
Mh okay whatever but I'm putting it in OTfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 4:21 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:36 pmBecause it isn't game related and would pretty much be me guilt shaming youfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:26 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 12:15 amMmh okay I understand. I think I know why you're seeing that but I don't want to sayfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:14 pmDennis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:06 pm Who has treated my slot the scummiest - a question for everyone
I would say Falcon
He came in complaining about being lost or disconnected or whatever and just grabbed onto me as Roxy and splints jumped me, then said I was stirring the pot while also just stirring the pot himself
I am snapvoting anyone who unironically tells me to stop OMGUSing without also telling me what there is to talk about other than myself
You are playing a very similar game to your last Maf game, as in there are posts, but no true solving.
What I meant by calling you a pot stirrer is that I dint see any solving...no pushing, no real reads...lots of recaps and "yeah, but also" that don't actually push any reads or try and make any connections really.
It's safe. You're playing a very safe game.
Are you town? Then show me, help solve
You may as well let it out, we're in MYLO...I don't see why you'd hold back
Dude, I am too old to feel shame
My heart wasn't really in it because I got a 68 on a test, which is like so terrible cause I'm a straight A student and then the next day I had another test I really didn't feel confident in so I was feeling pretty shitty
But now 1. The teacher is letting me retake the first test and 2. Spring break started yesterday so I decided to just forget about it and deal with it later lol
so yah I didn't really wanna say that but there ya go
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 4:27 pmMh okay whatever but I'm putting it in OTfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 4:21 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:36 pmBecause it isn't game related and would pretty much be me guilt shaming youfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:26 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 12:15 amMmh okay I understand. I think I know why you're seeing that but I don't want to sayfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:14 pmDennis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:06 pm Who has treated my slot the scummiest - a question for everyone
I would say Falcon
He came in complaining about being lost or disconnected or whatever and just grabbed onto me as Roxy and splints jumped me, then said I was stirring the pot while also just stirring the pot himself
I am snapvoting anyone who unironically tells me to stop OMGUSing without also telling me what there is to talk about other than myself
You are playing a very similar game to your last Maf game, as in there are posts, but no true solving.
What I meant by calling you a pot stirrer is that I dint see any solving...no pushing, no real reads...lots of recaps and "yeah, but also" that don't actually push any reads or try and make any connections really.
It's safe. You're playing a very safe game.
Are you town? Then show me, help solve
You may as well let it out, we're in MYLO...I don't see why you'd hold back
Dude, I am too old to feel shame
My heart wasn't really in it because I got a 68 on a test, which is like so terrible cause I'm a straight A student and then the next day I had another test I really didn't feel confident in so I was feeling pretty shitty
But now 1. The teacher is letting me retake the first test and 2. Spring break started yesterday so I decided to just forget about it and deal with it later lol
so yah I didn't really wanna say that but there ya go
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Next time try and get a 48%, it'll be liberating when you realize that the world is still spinning. Plus it'll demonstrate true mastery of the subject when you can intentionally fail a test.
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:27 pmI came to the opposite conclusion actually. Epi's no-vote was weird IMO, and I think it raises Epi/Dennis w/w equity.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 1:26 pmSeanzie brought this up, but I think it's unlikely for W Epi to risk his teammate W Dennis during EoD last night.fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:26 am If Dennis is wolf, his teammates can be Epi, six, and falcon? Gotta look up the comparability on the last. Going off memory atm
Quick answers for some things I saw because I'm short on time:
Splints I include you on my VCA analysis, but that doesn't mean I suspect you.
Falcon I town read Splints and Epi as it stands. I don't see a team that Epi could be on. He's likely not W/W with Dennis, and he's likely not W/W with you, and I don't think that Epi/Seanzie are W/W based on Seanzie D2.
Team exercises put me at a likely team of
SixStrings/Falcon/Seanzie
Dennis/Falcon/Seanzie
Unlikely team of Epi/Splints/SixStrings exists? I think I just lose if this is the team though.
Wilgy's interpretation of Dennis/Epi has increased my Wilgy tinfoil
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
This makes sense, but seems to be made in assumption.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 1:44 pmHow does Epi justify moving off my slot to save Dennis? It would out them both, Epi has had no read progression and hasn't even interacted w/ Mata.
There's no reason to believe that Epi is not paired w/ Dennis based off EOD, in fact I'd say it's the opposite...why does town Epi show up at EOD to do nothing? He doesn't move his vote, he doesn't make any new reads
i.e. W Epi doing the save may be a death sentence, but only if W Dennis goes over in the next cycle. Like, we are assuming that W Epi would have known that his teammate Dennis is 100% going today for the lack of movement to be an attempt to distance.
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
Meh, if you are correct then, I think it'd imply that there is more possibility of Six bussing though and that'd break my thoughts on a dif there.
W Epi not going for the save means W's are convinced Dennis is doomed and thus Six wouldn't need to be on another wagon.
W Epi not going for the save means W's are convinced Dennis is doomed and thus Six wouldn't need to be on another wagon.
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Oh wait a minute
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:25 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:52 pmThen why didn't you say that beforefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 10:50 am
I also found that post especially scummy
Feels like you just wanna fit in until I flip and game ends now
I don't post every thought in my head, or how I'm reading a player. This is known.
Can you point to any games of mine where I, as Maf, start off slow and then ramp up my activity?
Why not say you found that post scummy, if, since we're in lylo, there's no point in holding backfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:26 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 12:15 amMmh okay I understand. I think I know why you're seeing that but I don't want to sayfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:14 pmDennis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:06 pm Who has treated my slot the scummiest - a question for everyone
I would say Falcon
He came in complaining about being lost or disconnected or whatever and just grabbed onto me as Roxy and splints jumped me, then said I was stirring the pot while also just stirring the pot himself
I am snapvoting anyone who unironically tells me to stop OMGUSing without also telling me what there is to talk about other than myself
You are playing a very similar game to your last Maf game, as in there are posts, but no true solving.
What I meant by calling you a pot stirrer is that I dint see any solving...no pushing, no real reads...lots of recaps and "yeah, but also" that don't actually push any reads or try and make any connections really.
It's safe. You're playing a very safe game.
Are you town? Then show me, help solve
You may as well let it out, we're in MYLO...I don't see why you'd hold back
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
I agree with Seanzie that we are finally seeing town Falcon.
I'm concerned that it's some bottom of the 9th bullshit though in spite of his tinfoil and reads feeling they are coming from a place of legitimacy. I very much wish we could've solved you earlier.
You also being town making Epi the d1 wolf vote on you makes sense too.
I'm concerned that it's some bottom of the 9th bullshit though in spite of his tinfoil and reads feeling they are coming from a place of legitimacy. I very much wish we could've solved you earlier.
You also being town making Epi the d1 wolf vote on you makes sense too.
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
@Dennis you still think that it's Splints/Falcon/Six?
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:23 pmfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:25 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:52 pmThen why didn't you say that beforefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 10:50 am
I also found that post especially scummy
Feels like you just wanna fit in until I flip and game ends now
I don't post every thought in my head, or how I'm reading a player. This is known.
Can you point to any games of mine where I, as Maf, start off slow and then ramp up my activity?Why not say you found that post scummy, if, since we're in lylo, there's no point in holding backfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:26 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 12:15 amMmh okay I understand. I think I know why you're seeing that but I don't want to sayfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:14 pmDennis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:06 pm Who has treated my slot the scummiest - a question for everyone
I would say Falcon
He came in complaining about being lost or disconnected or whatever and just grabbed onto me as Roxy and splints jumped me, then said I was stirring the pot while also just stirring the pot himself
I am snapvoting anyone who unironically tells me to stop OMGUSing without also telling me what there is to talk about other than myself
You are playing a very similar game to your last Maf game, as in there are posts, but no true solving.
What I meant by calling you a pot stirrer is that I dint see any solving...no pushing, no real reads...lots of recaps and "yeah, but also" that don't actually push any reads or try and make any connections really.
It's safe. You're playing a very safe game.
Are you town? Then show me, help solve
You may as well let it out, we're in MYLO...I don't see why you'd hold back
You mean...the post that I did say I found scummy, just didn't say it the moment I thought it? I volunteered it as well, nobody had to pry it out of me
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
Nah, I stepped up after the 7th inning stretch dude.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:25 pm I agree with Seanzie that we are finally seeing town Falcon.
I'm concerned that it's some bottom of the 9th bullshit though in spite of his tinfoil and reads feeling they are coming from a place of legitimacy. I very much wish we could've solved you earlier.
You also being town making Epi the d1 wolf vote on you makes sense too.
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Something just felt off about it (which might be a sign I'm confbiased and reaching, but we'll see), specifically how you said it in reaction to someonefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:27 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:23 pmfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:25 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:52 pmThen why didn't you say that beforefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 10:50 am
I also found that post especially scummy
Feels like you just wanna fit in until I flip and game ends now
I don't post every thought in my head, or how I'm reading a player. This is known.
Can you point to any games of mine where I, as Maf, start off slow and then ramp up my activity?Why not say you found that post scummy, if, since we're in lylo, there's no point in holding backfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:26 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 12:15 amMmh okay I understand. I think I know why you're seeing that but I don't want to sayfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:14 pmDennis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:06 pm Who has treated my slot the scummiest - a question for everyone
I would say Falcon
He came in complaining about being lost or disconnected or whatever and just grabbed onto me as Roxy and splints jumped me, then said I was stirring the pot while also just stirring the pot himself
I am snapvoting anyone who unironically tells me to stop OMGUSing without also telling me what there is to talk about other than myself
You are playing a very similar game to your last Maf game, as in there are posts, but no true solving.
What I meant by calling you a pot stirrer is that I dint see any solving...no pushing, no real reads...lots of recaps and "yeah, but also" that don't actually push any reads or try and make any connections really.
It's safe. You're playing a very safe game.
Are you town? Then show me, help solve
You may as well let it out, we're in MYLO...I don't see why you'd hold back
You mean...the post that I did say I found scummy, just didn't say it the moment I thought it? I volunteered it as well, nobody had to pry it out of me
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
@DrWilgy Where's your head at?
@Epignosis What was your question you had for me? What are your reads now?
@SixStrings Do you have any thoughts on anything? How are you reading Dennis today?
@Epignosis What was your question you had for me? What are your reads now?
@SixStrings Do you have any thoughts on anything? How are you reading Dennis today?
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
Seanzie defended you hardcore for no reason (as far as I can tell). Then there was a flip flop like I've never seen. I don't know what to make of it.
I'm a civilian and I've been annoyed that I haven't gotten my way and worse, it hasn't worked out.
I have to be open minded today I know.
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
My suspicion of Dennis remains, however if I understand correctly, a miss this time equals a loss. That said, Dennis does NOT get the next lynch vote from me.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:52 pm @DrWilgy Where's your head at?
@Epignosis What was your question you had for me? What are your reads now?
@SixStrings Do you have any thoughts on anything? How are you reading Dennis today?
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If you could kill one person right now, with the game on the line, who would it be and why?SixStrings wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:07 pmMy suspicion of Dennis remains, however if I understand correctly, a miss this time equals a loss. That said, Dennis does NOT get the next lynch vote from me.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:52 pm @DrWilgy Where's your head at?
@Epignosis What was your question you had for me? What are your reads now?
@SixStrings Do you have any thoughts on anything? How are you reading Dennis today?
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
SixStrings wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:07 pmMy suspicion of Dennis remains, however if I understand correctly, a miss this time equals a loss. That said, Dennis does NOT get the next lynch vote from me.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:52 pm @DrWilgy Where's your head at?
@Epignosis What was your question you had for me? What are your reads now?
@SixStrings Do you have any thoughts on anything? How are you reading Dennis today?
So who do you find more suspicious than Dennis?
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:08 pmIf you could kill one person right now, with the game on the line, who would it be and why?SixStrings wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:07 pmMy suspicion of Dennis remains, however if I understand correctly, a miss this time equals a loss. That said, Dennis does NOT get the next lynch vote from me.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:52 pm @DrWilgy Where's your head at?
@Epignosis What was your question you had for me? What are your reads now?
@SixStrings Do you have any thoughts on anything? How are you reading Dennis today?
we can't stop here...this is bat country!
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
(what does that mean)falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:11 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:08 pmIf you could kill one person right now, with the game on the line, who would it be and why?SixStrings wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:07 pmMy suspicion of Dennis remains, however if I understand correctly, a miss this time equals a loss. That said, Dennis does NOT get the next lynch vote from me.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:52 pm @DrWilgy Where's your head at?
@Epignosis What was your question you had for me? What are your reads now?
@SixStrings Do you have any thoughts on anything? How are you reading Dennis today?
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Re: Meta Mafia (day 4)
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:04 pmSeanzie defended you hardcore for no reason (as far as I can tell). Then there was a flip flop like I've never seen. I don't know what to make of it.
I'm a civilian and I've been annoyed that I haven't gotten my way and worse, it hasn't worked out.
I have to be open minded today I know.
Shouldn't that say more about Seanzie having TMI than anything to do w/ my alignment?
But also, I feel Sean has been very clear as to why he thinks I'm a bad lynch option D1, as well as how he approaches my slot as the game progresses.
I would like some reads from you on the remaining players plz
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