Mmm I guess.Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:58 pmI believe it is the most likely of the options yes but I know you havent felt that way. I have not been privy to witness their play that would break a mold in my mind that generally believes it's possible to fool someone who knows exactly what the other wants to hearMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:57 pmSo you're of the view that one is 100% pocketing the other?Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:55 pm The only reason I dont want to go into neon today is that it means neither of kate nor svs will have been solved and today we can afford to flip 1 but not the other. If we pick the wrong one. We will not have that luxury tomorrow if we flip a town and then we sit there not knowing what to do with kate / svs
I'm of the view that is wholly unlikely to be the case. Neither of them are so bad at mafia to never humour the likelihood to the complete detriment of town and endgame a loss off of it. They are both capable of seeing the other as mafia and have done.
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I wrote people then went to change it to you and didn't delete people lol.S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:59 pmYou don't even begin to understand how frustrating it is when you act like you know more than anyone, are 100% wrong, refuse to even consider it, and then say things like that. "you people".MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:54 pmUgh its such an annoying cop out when you people this. I've been spending all damn phase trying to understand you and all I get is just trust me and ridicule and now you're giving up. It puts the entire onus on me and is not in the spirit of towning to do this.S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:51 pmBecause she thinks what she thinks, and I am ok being yeeted. This has ceased to be fun for me, and although it is disrespectful to the host to say so, this has ceased to be fun for me.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:42 pmQuestion was not directed to you.S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:35 pmBecause we can read each other; we don’t have a mind meld. Just because I know she’s civ doesn’t mean I think she’s right all the time.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:31 pmWhy haven't you two been voting together?S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:22 pm
We're very good friends and have multiple tells on each other; we started playing together in 2009 for Gods sake, in a forum where every game was a 30 player role madness game. That's the explanation. She had me as bad the first day in GOC. Not sure why this is so hard for you to accept.
But you do you.
Why aren't you listening to her townread on me and voting with her?
My question for you is why aren't you pleading with your top townread to vote me out if you really think I'm mafia?
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Good luck civs!
It isn't in the spirit of towning to refuse to even consider that something in front of your eyes can be so. Two people who know each other super well can read each other.
I am getting frustrated to the point of being a detriment to the game, and to the game this host wanted to have, and I believe that at that point, the correct course of action is to remove myself from the thread.
Sorry you had to waste your day on me.
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SVS has been hugged! She was Vanilla Town!
Night 5 starts!
Night 5 starts!
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Mac has been headpatted! He was Vanilla Town!
Day 6 starts!
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Re: Hotdog Fingers Mafia [Night 5]
In order to avoid getting frustrated from the game, and to enjoy yourself, please utilize the following mindsets!
- Chances are, that the game won't go the way I want it to go. And that's okay, because I'm not going to let that stop me from being an enjoyable presence for others. Because I'm better than that.
- Chances are, that people will say things about me that I don't like. And that's okay, because I'm not going to let that stop me from being an enjoyable presence for others. Because I'm better than that.
- Chances are, that I will lose the game. And that's okay, because I'm not going to let that stop me from being an enjoyable presence for others. Because I'm better than that.
- Chances are, that the game won't go the way I want it to go. And that's okay, because I'm not going to let that stop me from being an enjoyable presence for others. Because I'm better than that.
- Chances are, that people will say things about me that I don't like. And that's okay, because I'm not going to let that stop me from being an enjoyable presence for others. Because I'm better than that.
- Chances are, that I will lose the game. And that's okay, because I'm not going to let that stop me from being an enjoyable presence for others. Because I'm better than that.
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Ok so wilgy?
Rip Mac.
Rip Mac.

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No curse today thank the goofy gods.
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Porscha not getting killed last night is a really bad look.
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I feel like @Dennis just talking to myself.
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Sweet tutuuuuties. The poll, my lovely?
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There is no poll you vote in thread votes are locked its in the first post
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Well first post of the day that is
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Oh shit
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@Neon thoughts. Is it clear that is wilgy yet? I hope so.
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This also means there are 2 left for sure, right?
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Anddddd talking to myself again.
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I thought you were convinced it was always me and Wilgy why are you appealing to me here?
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Also sorry I'm busy I'm popping in and out
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Well I'm more convinced it's wilgy than you. I want to see what your opinion on wilgy is. My opinion has been known to change on occasion.
Plus you're here and presumably would like to win.
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HI EVERYONE! LYLO? MORE LIKE LYLOVE AMIRITE




When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
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Lylove for sure!
Do you see it now?
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Holy cow! I’m a big fan of you all, even though some of you are dirty dirty parallel universe jumpers. But that’s ok! We’re gonna figure this out together!
Hey @Neon, i’m not great at meta, but dont you usually snap vote in lylo or am I misremembering? (Also love your shoes! <3)
Hey @Neon, i’m not great at meta, but dont you usually snap vote in lylo or am I misremembering? (Also love your shoes! <3)
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I am ready to vote lolScotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:24 pm Holy cow! I’m a big fan of you all, even though some of you are dirty dirty parallel universe jumpers. But that’s ok! We’re gonna figure this out together!
Hey @Neon, i’m not great at meta, but dont you usually snap vote in lylo or am I misremembering? (Also love your shoes! <3)
I've been begging everyone for days to vote wilgy. Do you believe me now? Please say yes.
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I see many things, love bug
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Ho boy am I glad I didn’t vote for mac yesterday, that would’ve been outing
I was actually tinfoiling mac in a team combo last night so like thanks for killing him so I can Better solidify my reads.
YIPPEEEEEE
I was actually tinfoiling mac in a team combo last night so like thanks for killing him so I can Better solidify my reads.
YIPPEEEEEE
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Why did we yeet SVS over Kate?


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Beluga de dunga frunga bunga my doods
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I do usually snap vote in exelo if I'm certain in my vote and know it won't change and usually I'm comfortable by this state in a game but I'm just not right now.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:24 pm Holy cow! I’m a big fan of you all, even though some of you are dirty dirty parallel universe jumpers. But that’s ok! We’re gonna figure this out together!
Hey @Neon, i’m not great at meta, but dont you usually snap vote in lylo or am I misremembering? (Also love your shoes! <3)
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I still don't understand why you are pushing Wilgy when they have played in the face of any wolf win condition.Kate wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:26 pmI am ready to vote lolScotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:24 pm Holy cow! I’m a big fan of you all, even though some of you are dirty dirty parallel universe jumpers. But that’s ok! We’re gonna figure this out together!
Hey @Neon, i’m not great at meta, but dont you usually snap vote in lylo or am I misremembering? (Also love your shoes! <3)
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Its the perfectly expected look. Like the look that a wolf kate would use to try and discredit me... You act like any wolf would bring mac to lylo and not me
Why would you expect me to die over mac? Doesnt make sense
You're being an unacceptable level of stupid, with zero sexy, and no sense of humor.
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Svs straight up gave up (for reasons I dont get in retrospect) so I thought she was feeling caught
But now I'm almost certain kate is wolf
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What's the rule here on who should vote first?
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I'm just surprised it wasn't you. I even said yesterday that I thought it would be you. You seemed far more definitely civ than he did. No one was sussing you.
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No you're not. Please. It's you and wilgy.
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Lol @ me yesterday like "damn I hate that I'm always brought to lylo" and kate reading that thinking like "yeah I always prefer porscha go to lylo with me instead of mac anyway" and drags me here
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I NEVER get to lylo. I'm usually killed n1 so I can at least thank you for a fun new experience.
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After this game, people may actually start listening to me. So that's good too.
Neon I'm sorry I didn't see porscha sooner, but I have been telling you wilgy for days now.
Neon I'm sorry I didn't see porscha sooner, but I have been telling you wilgy for days now.
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That's not what the voices in my head sound like

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If you had killed me, it would have been obvious that I was right with there being 1 would between you and svs. You couldnt kill meKate wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:11 pmI'm just surprised it wasn't you. I even said yesterday that I thought it would be you. You seemed far more definitely civ than he did. No one was sussing you.
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But you knew that yesterday. So you started preparing to make me look bad when I didnt get nk'dPorscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:16 pmIf you had killed me, it would have been obvious that I was right with there being 1 would between you and svs. You couldnt kill meKate wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:11 pmI'm just surprised it wasn't you. I even said yesterday that I thought it would be you. You seemed far more definitely civ than he did. No one was sussing you.
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You never get to lylo when you town cuz you get NK'd lmao
Hard to cover yourself when you're wolfing cuz you cant get NK'd.
Honestly kate I was willing to maybe reconsider you and svs had been t/t but you just outed by trying to frame me for the nk the wolves couldnt make on me.
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How confident are you on Wilgy Kate?
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Like there is no way town thinks this, right? Theres just no way lmao
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I couldn't kill you bc I'm not a wolf. But you already know that.Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:16 pmIf you had killed me, it would have been obvious that I was right with there being 1 would between you and svs. You couldnt kill meKate wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:11 pmI'm just surprised it wasn't you. I even said yesterday that I thought it would be you. You seemed far more definitely civ than he did. No one was sussing you.