[END] Literal WWerecreatures Invade Syndicate Zoo: An SDN Crossover Game

[Zenge]

I’ll start the day with a vote on [VOTE: creature] aubergine. I have nothing nee to report. Creature was just the second option at the end of the day yesterday.

Creature was the second option at the end of the day yesterday, yes. You aren't interested in looking at anyone else given Scotty flipped town and we have AM, Sporty, pyxxy all confirmed town too?

How do we have three confirmed town on day 2?

Because they died and flipped town

[potentialsheltervet]

Idk how NKA is viewed here but Sporty wasn't really being widely TR'd outside of dya and I think mayo at the point when she died. She was the third wagon

[MacDougall]

I’ll start the day with a vote on [VOTE: creature] aubergine. I have nothing nee to report. Creature was just the second option at the end of the day yesterday.

Creature was the second option at the end of the day yesterday, yes. You aren't interested in looking at anyone else given Scotty flipped town and we have AM, Sporty, pyxxy all confirmed town too?

How do we have three confirmed town on day 2?

Because they died and flipped town

Ah that's the worst possible answer.

[Zenge]

Idk how NKA is viewed here but Sporty wasn't really being widely TR'd outside of dya and I think mayo at the point when she died. She was the third wagon

I have a theory about the sporty kill but I don't want to say. I bet you can guess what it is. Waiting to see if I'm right.

[potentialsheltervet]

I’ll start the day with a vote on [VOTE: creature] aubergine. I have nothing nee to report. Creature was just the second option at the end of the day yesterday.

Creature was the second option at the end of the day yesterday, yes. You aren't interested in looking at anyone else given Scotty flipped town and we have AM, Sporty, pyxxy all confirmed town too?

How do we have three confirmed town on day 2?

Because they died and flipped town

Ah that's the worst possible answer.

Yeah, not in a good state rn. Which is why I'm unimpressed with the decision to just go for Creature because he was the second wagon. I don't think it shows much inclination to solve.

[potentialsheltervet]

Idk how NKA is viewed here but Sporty wasn't really being widely TR'd outside of dya and I think mayo at the point when she died. She was the third wagon

I have a theory about the sporty kill but I don't want to say. I bet you can guess what it is. Waiting to see if I'm right.

Yes, I thought about that. Could be.

[NateTheLesser]

Idk how NKA is viewed here but Sporty wasn't really being widely TR'd outside of dya and I think mayo at the point when she died. She was the third wagon

The pyxxy kill would be funny as a 3p kill, since he was 3p hunting yesterday.

[potentialsheltervet]

Idk how NKA is viewed here but Sporty wasn't really being widely TR'd outside of dya and I think mayo at the point when she died. She was the third wagon

The pyxxy kill would be funny as a 3p kill, since he was 3p hunting yesterday.

I've just now noticed how comparatively large your avatar's hand is. Looks like you're going to crush that martini glass.

[S~V~S]

Like, I feel like that's a lot of data that we have to re-eval beyond just what the wagons were at a point when we didn't have that info

You clearly must think Creature is town, you questioned Creature voters yesterday too.

What are you seeing that I am not?

[potentialsheltervet]

Like, I feel like that's a lot of data that we have to re-eval beyond just what the wagons were at a point when we didn't have that info

You clearly must think Creature is town, you questioned Creature voters yesterday too.

What are you seeing that I am not?

No, I have zero read on Creature either way. I just find Sloonei's justification for voting there completely uninspired.

[MacDougall]

You really think I forget about a game this hard when a partner would be leading huh

Don't make me say the words again.

Quick GTH what is your read on Creature

GTH wolf

But also I don't won't to chop him today for :hand_wave: irl stuff or something

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[Zenge]

You really think I forget about a game this hard when a partner would be leading huh

Don't make me say the words again.

Quick GTH what is your read on Creature

GTH wolf

But also I don't won't to chop him today for :hand_wave: irl stuff or something

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I mean, sure... you could vote there. It's...an option.

But can I interest you in a Falcon today?

[Sloonei]

I’ll start the day with a vote on [VOTE: creature] aubergine. I have nothing nee to report. Creature was just the second option at the end of the day yesterday.

Creature was the second option at the end of the day yesterday, yes. You aren't interested in looking at anyone else given Scotty flipped town and we have AM, Sporty, pyxxy all confirmed town too?

I am. I just haven’t started doing it yet.

[Sloonei]

Like, I feel like that's a lot of data that we have to re-eval beyond just what the wagons were at a point when we didn't have that info

You clearly must think Creature is town, you questioned Creature voters yesterday too.

What are you seeing that I am not?

No, I have zero read on Creature either way. I just find Sloonei's justification for voting there completely uninspired.

The vote I cast 1 hour into a 48 hour phase is not final.

[mightyrunner7]

The dangers of nightime activity: a study on the likelihood of independent actions by vigilantes

The power of the word: catastrophies in history caused by communication breakdowns

[mightyrunner7]

Alright. Are we done puttering around like a unicycle with a flat tire?

Who's ready to YEET FALCON?

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

Are possible partners coming together for you, or is it all falcon to start with?

I think if Falcon flips the way I expect other people will need to answer for their crimes.

tbqh I'd be more down for this if the way you were pushing it didn't feel so off.

I know what you think of his initial push on you and those early interactions. Talk to me about the 2nd half of the day and EOD. How has your read developed?

Yeet me tomorrow, if I'm wrong.

I said thunderdome us and I mean it. Falcon is a wolf.

The potential insights of bold assertions: an argument to reduce nuance in voting trends

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

[Zenge]

I feel like there's a post restriction here.

[mightyrunner7]

I feel like there's a post restriction here.

The struggle with chaotic events: A protocol for drawing accurate conclusions based on expanding datasets

[Zenge]

I feel like there's a post restriction here.

The struggle with chaotic events: A protocol for drawing accurate conclusions based on expanding datasets

:Care:

[MacDougall]

You really think I forget about a game this hard when a partner would be leading huh

Don't make me say the words again.

Quick GTH what is your read on Creature

GTH wolf

But also I don't won't to chop him today for :hand_wave: irl stuff or something

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I mean, sure... you could vote there. It's...an option.

But can I interest you in a Falcon today?

Why?

[MacDougall]

@DrWilgy Hi
Why TR falcon?

Falcon is very easy to tell as town. Is he solving instead of laying low? That's T Falcon.

Also based on how Meta Mafia went (game that just ended) I can believe the fire in his belly being heavily town indicative.

What is different from him in this game compared to the Hotdog Fingers game?

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy Hi
Why TR falcon?

Falcon is very easy to tell as town. Is he solving instead of laying low? That's T Falcon.

Also based on how Meta Mafia went (game that just ended) I can believe the fire in his belly being heavily town indicative.

What is different from him in this game compared to the Hotdog Fingers game?

I actually looked at his ISO this game lol.

Hotdog Fingers I didn't read. I think I legit saw like, 1 entry post, thought 'slight wolf lean' and moved along.

[MacDougall]

pyxxy targeted me

Odd given Pyxxy died with a scumread on you.

[Zenge]

Like, I feel like that's a lot of data that we have to re-eval beyond just what the wagons were at a point when we didn't have that info

You clearly must think Creature is town, you questioned Creature voters yesterday too.

What are you seeing that I am not?

No, I have zero read on Creature either way. I just find Sloonei's justification for voting there completely uninspired.

The vote I cast 1 hour into a 48 hour phase is not final.

I mean sure, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter.

[MacDougall]

Why Dennis?

AM was pretty locked in there. And on re-read a lot of his takes were surface-level town reads (tossing a v/v at Zenge/falcon, town reading AM for being too serious). In the case of the AM read it seemed like it could have been a town read with the intention of getting her to look somewhere else. AM can come off pretty scummy if you're the target of one of her tunnels, and I didn't really see the uncertainty about her motives that I'd expect.

[VOTE: NateTheLesser] aubergine

I reread AMs iso and AM was a big time ball of town solving energy but focused hard on slots she was unfamiliar with such as Seanzie, Pyxxy and Dennis and Pyxxy has already flipped town. I don't think Dennis or Seanzie were being wolfy on meta either. So I think AM was mostly killed for just being super solvy and to remove them from the game. If they were right on any of their pushes it will be Miranda or mightyrunner imo.

Decision is made on that proviso with "and we can push Dennis off it" so Nate goes ahead and does so.

I was specifically looking for the first Dennis pusher here and for them to be lazily sheeping AM.

[MacDougall]

I do want to talk about Falcon. 3 votes on him, all from those unfamiliar with him ... is at a glance not filling me with much confidence. I iso'd him however and found many of his pushes to be making a big deal out of largely NAI stuff. At first I thought Zedge was wolfy for pushing Falcon but in reality ... I don't actually think Falcon is towny.

I understand a lot of those familiar with Falcon are likely to see 100+ posts on a d1 and not actually look into him but I didn't really like any of his pushes.

That being said... why the 3 Falcon voters are going ahead full steam pushing someone that nobody familiar with him is pushing also has me somewhat perplexed.

Notwithstanding the fact that the n1 kills seem largely to have come from SDN wolves. I haven't liked the content of all three of those voting Falcon.

One giant hedge to say... I kinda think Falcon is sus but I am likely the only one with a good reason so I'm probably wrong?

[MacDougall]

@DrWilgy Hi
Why TR falcon?

Falcon is very easy to tell as town. Is he solving instead of laying low? That's T Falcon.

Also based on how Meta Mafia went (game that just ended) I can believe the fire in his belly being heavily town indicative.

That's just not what others have said about his meta so this is curious.

The only time I've been wrong on Falcon was due to being too distracted by his teammate and by not being able to make it to them and then once when I deliberately messed with him to the point of obscuring my own read.

I had in my solve that game that Falcon was a likely possibility, really one of two options. We just needed to yeet the teammate first. That never happens and I was yeeted in lylo instead.

The Falcon we see here is T Falcon.

Bro you were wrong about him in the game you were literally just playing. I understand you can't talk about ongoing games which it was at the time but you are straight up lying in this post instead of talking around it.

[Sloonei]

Like, I feel like that's a lot of data that we have to re-eval beyond just what the wagons were at a point when we didn't have that info

You clearly must think Creature is town, you questioned Creature voters yesterday too.

What are you seeing that I am not?

No, I have zero read on Creature either way. I just find Sloonei's justification for voting there completely uninspired.

The vote I cast 1 hour into a 48 hour phase is not final.

I mean sure, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter.

Indeed.

[NateTheLesser]

I feel like there's a post restriction here.

There's not a post restrictor, unless it's something an inventor cooked up.

[MacDougall]

Miranda
Mightyrunner
Santy

There is wolf and or wolves in this list and only 1 has a single vote.

Miranda is very level 1 wolfy and spent day 1 basically in defense mode whose only push was a very bizarre late day vote on a subsequently dead town.

Mightyrunner reads like they are drafting every post in a Google doc and rewriting them 55 times before submitting. They are not natural.

Santy is just openwolfing and townreading Neon off nothing to open the game is not a read a town familiar with Neon makes. It is a read a wolf makes to disarm them.

The rest of the low posters were null to me. These three and Wilgy all seem wolfy.

[MacDougall]

I feel like there's a post restriction here.

There's not a post restrictor, unless it's something an inventor cooked up.

It has now been 43 minutes since I voted you and dropped a case. Are you planning to continue ignoring it?

[NateTheLesser]

I feel like there's a post restriction here.

There's not a post restrictor, unless it's something an inventor cooked up.

It has now been 43 minutes since I voted you and dropped a case. Are you planning to continue ignoring it?

I'm not lazily sheeping AM, I agreed with AM. Dennis was one of my earliest scum leans yesterday. And people that were more familiar with him like Scotty, Neon, and (I think?) Seanzie also thought he was off, which made me think I wasn't just mis-reading his play style.

How would you describe his wolf game compared to here?

[MacDougall]

I feel like there's a post restriction here.

There's not a post restrictor, unless it's something an inventor cooked up.

It has now been 43 minutes since I voted you and dropped a case. Are you planning to continue ignoring it?

I'm not lazily sheeping AM, I agreed with AM. Dennis was one of my earliest scum leans yesterday. And people that were more familiar with him like Scotty, Neon, and (I think?) Seanzie also thought he was off, which made me think I wasn't just mis-reading his play style.

How would you describe his wolf game compared to here?

I don't have a great bead on exactly the difference between his wolf and town games but I know that people read him as wolfy constantly when he's town. His mother Kate was my predecessor slot and she didn't push him and has a pretty good grasp on him. He got miselimmed in the game that just ended on this forum largely from me and I see his play here being quite like there.

If you are reading Dennis off a sheep of others it's a dangerous slot to be doing that to because he's read so wolfy off top that before you know it he'd miselimmed as town from sheep on top of sheep.

If you have your own good reasons I'd like to hear them.

[NateTheLesser]

I feel like there's a post restriction here.

There's not a post restrictor, unless it's something an inventor cooked up.

It has now been 43 minutes since I voted you and dropped a case. Are you planning to continue ignoring it?

I'm not lazily sheeping AM, I agreed with AM. Dennis was one of my earliest scum leans yesterday. And people that were more familiar with him like Scotty, Neon, and (I think?) Seanzie also thought he was off, which made me think I wasn't just mis-reading his play style.

How would you describe his wolf game compared to here?

I don't have a great bead on exactly the difference between his wolf and town games but I know that people read him as wolfy constantly when he's town. His mother Kate was my predecessor slot and she didn't push him and has a pretty good grasp on him. He got miselimmed in the game that just ended on this forum largely from me and I see his play here being quite like there.

If you are reading Dennis off a sheep of others it's a dangerous slot to be doing that to because he's read so wolfy off top that before you know it he'd miselimmed as town from sheep on top of sheep.

If you have your own good reasons I'd like to hear them.

I don't know him or how he usually plays, so thanks for the perspective. These were some of his posts that I noted as I was reading. The first couple are in the category of townreads that he's come on thread and stated but hasn't really done much with:

I'd say it looks more like a falcon. This is what he does.

When you say “this is what he does”, it sounds like you’re saying “this is NAI”, is that correct?

Not necessarily. I would lean very slightly towards a town read on him. But, at the very least, he should not be scumread for playing the role of antagonist like this.

Okay, let’s circle back to “This is what he does”.

Because that’s a very generic dismissal of my read and my push. You’re using the fact that you have familiarity with Falcon to completely dismiss my very valid reasons for finding this player to be a wolf.

So with regards to your “This is what he does”, please, I’d like you to be as thorough as possible in your explanation.

"What he does" is pick a fight with a player or a couple of players very early in the game. He'll provoke them and do his darndest to get a big reaction out of folks regardless of whether or not he's right, or is making "logical" sense. My understanding of the play is that he does it to create action.

How his play develops from there might vary from game to game. But this is the typical opening move from falcon.

This is not about picking a fight or provoking a reaction.

I asked him a very simple question, very concisely, twice. The first time he realized he didn’t have a good answer because he was full of it and tried to just walk away from the conversation. The second time he tried to obfuscate and redirect attention, still refusing to admit he was wrong or answer the question.

Coupled with everything else he’s done on thread, this is a wolf.

I’m not letting this go.

You two (falcon and zenge) are reading like two very confident townies to me

That post from pyxxy that everyone is calling hedgy is kinda towny to me

He's told me of this urban myth that runs through his family where sometimes he just gets like a gut feeling that he hasn't done as scum, and it's been used against me to catch me before

This next one was his response to Scotty's sus. He doesn't really address Scotty's issue, but gets defensive about the fact that he's being scumread (kind of a "I was getting heat so I changed my approach, but I'm still getting heat and that isn't fair" vibe):

I’m liking mightyrunner’s Re-entrance

I’m in the camp now after talking to myself in the bathroom that Dennis is making words and is too reticent. A lot of town reads and since his ALL-CAPS ELEPHANT TRAMPLING THROUGH A VILLAGE on D0, it’s felt much more…careful. Like the goldfish in a large lake. That’s the best I can explain it.

And I’m on the fence with pyxxy’s handling of me. That pyxxy went straight to 3p instead of sussing me outright, AND with Dennis coming straight to pyxxy’s rescue, I’m currently suspecting both of them

Think about it from my perspective for just a moment

I am getting scumread for screwing around in D0 and people are telling me to shut up and play the game (hyperbole no one actually said this)

So I do that, which means I don't talk as much (if that's what reticent means)

Why is it now suspicious I'm not saying as much?

And the rest of it is his general approach to AM. Tossed out some reasoning for a townread when AM pressed him on it early:

Alright catch up is done and I regret joining this game if I ever have to do that again

AM, Falcon, SVS, PSV, Zenge all get townreads for now

Marmot's slight scumread on me felt funny, but SVS's explanation sorta cleared that up? Like I know what they are trying to say but it kinda sucks that I'm getting scumread for having a personality D0

This Miranda wagon is nasssty and I don't know why. It feels like literally everyone has not actually said why

Why are you village reading me?

You're so serious I can't not townread you

Like I remember once someone completely cut through the fluff stage in D0 or D1 and sure it was boring but it got the game actually going

You're pretty much doing that here

And then closer to EOD he pops in to defend Creature (but not by name), and then places a vote for Marmot after being pressed by AM about who he's going to vote for:

I'd really rather not kill someone for low posting D1

It's just taking a shot in the dark rather than like, aiming at all. Later in the game I would be down because that's when they're a liability to town but with so many healthy suspicions being thrown around a shrug yeet is just a bad decision

Interpret this blanket defense as you may

I'd really rather not kill someone for low posting D1

It's just taking a shot in the dark rather than like, aiming at all. Later in the game I would be down because that's when they're a liability to town but with so many healthy suspicions being thrown around a shrug yeet is just a bad decision

Interpret this blanket defense as you may

When do you intend to vote?

I'd really rather not kill someone for low posting D1

It's just taking a shot in the dark rather than like, aiming at all. Later in the game I would be down because that's when they're a liability to town but with so many healthy suspicions being thrown around a shrug yeet is just a bad decision

Interpret this blanket defense as you may

When do you intend to vote?

Now see there's a good question

I have no clue I don't really suspect anyone

Marmot gave me weird feelings because it felt like all of their takes were unoriginal and just hopping on bandwagons

So I guess [VOTE: marmot] aubergine

so I guess right now AM

[MacDougall]

How are any of those things scummy?

[MacDougall]

Like...

Has townreads he hasn't done much with on Zedge, Falcon and a dead town. What is it that he is meant to have done with those reads that he didn't do?

Gets annoyed about being scumread. Is this something that is wolf alignment indicative in your experience?

Townread someone pushing him and then elaborating when asked is wolfy?

Defending an unflipped Creature not by name is wolfy? Or is it that he didn't want to vote out a low poster? Do you have Creature as a wolf? Or does Creatures alignment not matter?

Casting a vote on Marmot after being pushed to make a vote is wolfy? Dennis literally didn't cast a vote 3 times in the Hotdog fingers game. It's not wolfy for him to not vote Im afraid. He seems to compulsively not vote. @Dennis remedy this when you are town please. Voting is necessary for town to win.

[dyachei]

pyxxy targeted me

Odd given Pyxxy died with a scumread on you.

no he didnt

he told me he was townreading me if I came back to the thread when I had time and read the main wagons...which is what I did...then he reiterated that read later

[dyachei]

i like psv's analysis of sloonei. I don't necessarily agree with it, I just like the logic she's using to get to her reads rn

light v

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I have come to clean ze pool

Hello pool boy

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

You really think I forget about a game this hard when a partner would be leading huh

Don't make me say the words again.

Quick GTH what is your read on Creature

GTH wolf

But also I don't won't to chop him today for :hand_wave: irl stuff or something

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I mean, sure... you could vote there. It's...an option.

But can I interest you in a Falcon today?

Why?

Tunneled town tunneling another town for bad tunnely reasons

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I feel like there's a post restriction here.

There's not a post restrictor, unless it's something an inventor cooked up.

It has now been 43 minutes since I voted you and dropped a case. Are you planning to continue ignoring it?

I'm not lazily sheeping AM, I agreed with AM. Dennis was one of my earliest scum leans yesterday. And people that were more familiar with him like Scotty, Neon, and (I think?) Seanzie also thought he was off, which made me think I wasn't just mis-reading his play style.

How would you describe his wolf game compared to here?

I don't have a great bead on exactly the difference between his wolf and town games but I know that people read him as wolfy constantly when he's town. His mother Kate was my predecessor slot and she didn't push him and has a pretty good grasp on him. He got miselimmed in the game that just ended on this forum largely from me and I see his play here being quite like there.

If you are reading Dennis off a sheep of others it's a dangerous slot to be doing that to because he's read so wolfy off top that before you know it he'd miselimmed as town from sheep on top of sheep.

If you have your own good reasons I'd like to hear them.

She town read him in the game I wolfed with him in

Anyways

I am not voting Dennis anymore so do with that info what you will

[mightyrunner7]

Mightyrunner reads like they are drafting every post in a Google doc and rewriting them 55 times before submitting. They are not natural.

PSA - I found that this website deletes your posts if you refresh the page, so I will be typing long comments in my notes app before transferring over for posting

The laptop handicap: a detailed comparative analysis regarding cell phone use in online game communities

[mightyrunner7]

I feel like there's a post restriction here.

There's not a post restrictor, unless it's something an inventor cooked up.

Setup Information

Community roles

Some players have additional role abilities, unrelated to their base roles, that relate explicitly to the community-crossover orientation of this game. These are entirely bonus abilities, and they do not operate in accordance with standard Mafia/Werewolf mechanics. They do not count as "visits", so they cannot be observed by investigative roles, impacted by role blocks, or affected by the mechanics of base roles in any other ways. These are community roles. These abilities may resemble ordinary mechanical abilities and/or be entirely unusual.

The benefits of a warm welcome: A discussion on the unusable strategies that communities use to greet their new members

[S~V~S]

Everyone has received a special broadcast!

- SVS "hey me too I also mentioned it" is interesting tho #1175

OK, I really really like this role; in a big thread like this a broadcaster is super helpful. Here is 1175:

I almost townread genny for agreeing with the pyxxy take, but I thought about it and that’s a suspicion that can be easily cherry-picked and easily owned as a legit suspicion with minimal effort. I might even call it a lazy suspicion and add genny to my sus list

Counterpoint: genny called pyxxy out for this earlier in a way that looked organic.

I also mentioned it this AM. Someone asked me to comment on it; the person who writes to Beatrice, I think? Mayo. On phone I’ll check later.

Re this, I replied to that post becasue I was agreeing with Sloonei that it wasn't a bad look for Genny, I had done it myself, in response to a question from Mayo (that post is a long one, I spoilered it and my reply).

Spoiler: show

Let it also be known that I’d *prefer* a syndiCat player to go first.

I was thinking about this, and as a game structural standpoint, I believe there to be an even number of players in each community on the mafia team. So I feel fine about one of my community going first

Why would you believe this, about the composition of the bad team? The host said in his roles post that there were more than two factions:

Setup Information

The setup is probably best described as "semi-closed" (which may be synonymous with semi-open, but let's say it favors the closed side). The exact roles contained in the game are not explicitly public, but you shall be made aware of the kinds of roles that are possible.

Roles have been constructed from a pseudo-random process involving rolls of the dice (so I rolled the roles!) to gather ideas and build the skeleton of the game. From there though, the hosts have tweaked and tampered as they see fit to manage the fairest balance and most fun prospects we reasonably can. I will provide you with certain "rules" that apply to the design of the game, and you can trust that these rules are true and unchanging. They are as follows:

~ The game contains more than two factions.
~ The vast majority of role abilities can apply to members of any faction.
~ No player will ever have their faction changed (e.g., there is no recruitment mechanism).
~ Animal characters/flavor are entirely unrelated to both alignment/affiliation and role abilities.
~ Role abilities may exist in essentially any combination regardless of faction, if they exist at all. Solve each other, not the hosts.

I saw someone else speculating last night on bad team size. Would you consider a few 3P players a "Faction"? Or do you think it could be multiball? We don't really do multiball games here anymore, do they do them at SDN?

And from a perspective of being good hosts, I don't disagree with you that it would be more gracious, I guess, to not yeet new members on their first game here, but shouldn't you want to get the most suspish person in the context of this set up?

While I agree that Dennis has tweaked me a bit, do you honestly find him most suspish at this point? More than Pyxxy, who seems to be 3P hunting?

I am really not feeling this.

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Reading back over, I think Sloonei behaving as he did is NAI. He hasn't said enough outside of Falcongate otherwise to call a read for me. I think Falcon would have backed off sooner if he was bad, and would not have returned to the discussion. I think he's better than many at backing away from suspicions without getting pushback for it.

Zenge is a bit paradoxical for me. I think he believes what he's saying re Falcon. But I am not so sure I get the same sincerity in his exchanges with Sloonei.

We go through phases, but multiball isn’t uncommon at sdn.

Is your inability to read falcon this game explained if they are 3p?


Can you explain your pyxxy read a bit. A few things felt a bit off yesterday, but I don’t know them. Not everyone plays as straightforward a game as I do.

I think your take on zenge is correct. Which is sort of what I was getting at last night. I get the falcon thing, but I think the sloo argument is a misunderstanding.

Spoiler: show

@Mayo the Mayo

I'm on phone and have issues formatting spoiler tags etc on phone. This is in reply to post #1092

Re Falcon, I have had problems reading Falcon in general; he pretty much looks the same to me most of the time. The first few games I played with him, I was involved or even a primary mover in miselims of Falcon. I have seen him bad and good, the same. So I am not sure I would see 3P Falcon much differently. In this game, he seemed to be going more into detail about his concerns, following up rather than flitting off, and reading along, I agreed with a lot of his points. So I was reading him as civvie with a baseline of "Civvies in General", not Falcon specifically. Looking back, for maybe the first time, I had a maginally confident read on him.

Re Pyxxy, I agreed with Scotty, who had said it felt like Pyxxy was 3P hunting rather than baddie hunting. He was trying to extrapolate a 3P read on Scotty for a fairly flimsy reason imo. From my perspective, this is a bad look. I mainly only brought that up to contrast to Scottys Dennis vote, since it directly involved him.

It makes me lean bad on Pyxxy, but mainly a watch and listen lean.

Also @potentialsheltervet forgive me for my question about Creature last night. I had you conflated with SportPonies, I had had that convo with them, not you.

[S~V~S]

pyxxy targeted me

Odd given Pyxxy died with a scumread on you.

Now see, I thought Pyxxy was a very odd choice for a Mafia kill, he was really wolfy. He was the person who started the Scotty wagon, then he went off it:

I agree with you about the LHF part.

Just trying to keep solving :/

If I die tn sheep my townleans not my scumreads o7

How are other people "low-hanging fruit" relative to Scotty when Scotty is the one leading the vote with 10 minutes to go?

Oh, maybe I'm misusing the term.

I see LHF as "somone who could be easily (subtext: wrongly) pushed for either low activity or not being online close to a deadline".

LHF behavior can be scummy, ofc.

Scotty is the clear wagon and I can't really find someone else who I feel good about flashwagoning :/ I am trying though! Nate was an option but I do really like his poe post.

GTH, I would maybe go for Mayo? [VOTE: Mayo] aubergine But I'll likely end on Scotty.

Re his Mayo vote, earlier he had Mayo on his "wouldn't vote today" list, but then he voted for them with zero progression.

And went off it AGAIN and voted for Sporty. I kinda thought he might have been vigged? I mean if I had a vig shot, I would have considered either Creature (resolve the other wagon, and he was the person I voted for) or Pyxxy. Even if he flipped civ, I think he was acting really wolfy in general.

After Scottys flip, I read him in the night, I was considering opening with a Pyxxy vote today.

Also, on his last read list, it looked to me like Pyxxy had dyachei on his "don't vote" list. The only other mention of him I can find is on a list he made of all the players?

[Mayo the Mayo]

Oh, my dearest Abigail,

My hand trembles with every word, every letter, every subtle movement of ink upon paper. Anything to prevent these words.

If only by holding my hand I could keep this reality from materializing. Not just to protect your gentle continence. But also to preserve, even for a moment, the tranquility of a life I can never return to.

My premonitions about the undercurrent of violence which permeates this place were, if anything, understated.

Abigail. There is no easy way to say it.

Mother is dead.

Killed in a night of unrestrained violence.

Her body will forever remain in this land. Let us hope that it may fertilize a world of tranquility such as what she dreamed of.

Two things I have obtained. Her heart, which I send to you. Bury it under the tree, near the dovecote, where she used the watch the pigeons. You know the place.

Make sure younger brother knows.

The second is her gun. I will keep this for myself. I pray it offers me better fortunes.

Yours always,

Mayo

[Zenge]

Don't make me say the words again.

Quick GTH what is your read on Creature

GTH wolf

But also I don't won't to chop him today for :hand_wave: irl stuff or something

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I mean, sure... you could vote there. It's...an option.

But can I interest you in a Falcon today?

Why?

Tunneled town tunneling another town for bad tunnely reasons

Neon pls. Falcon is howling

[Mayo the Mayo]

Quick GTH what is your read on Creature

GTH wolf

But also I don't won't to chop him today for :hand_wave: irl stuff or something

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I mean, sure... you could vote there. It's...an option.

But can I interest you in a Falcon today?

Why?

Tunneled town tunneling another town for bad tunnely reasons

Neon pls. Falcon is howling

Not even remotely caught up, but I also feel the need to resolve the Zenge/Falcon debate.

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy Hi
Why TR falcon?

Falcon is very easy to tell as town. Is he solving instead of laying low? That's T Falcon.

Also based on how Meta Mafia went (game that just ended) I can believe the fire in his belly being heavily town indicative.

That's just not what others have said about his meta so this is curious.

The only time I've been wrong on Falcon was due to being too distracted by his teammate and by not being able to make it to them and then once when I deliberately messed with him to the point of obscuring my own read.

I had in my solve that game that Falcon was a likely possibility, really one of two options. We just needed to yeet the teammate first. That never happens and I was yeeted in lylo instead.

The Falcon we see here is T Falcon.

Bro you were wrong about him in the game you were literally just playing. I understand you can't talk about ongoing games which it was at the time but you are straight up lying in this post instead of talking around it.

Aye and now that it's over I can add, "while actively trying" I couldn't add that as the game was still on going because "why would he specifically say that here? Oh, ongoing game, oh maybe that's AI"

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Quick GTH what is your read on Creature

GTH wolf

But also I don't won't to chop him today for :hand_wave: irl stuff or something

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I mean, sure... you could vote there. It's...an option.

But can I interest you in a Falcon today?

Why?

Tunneled town tunneling another town for bad tunnely reasons

Neon pls. Falcon is howling

I disagree falcon is falconing