[WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia

[Roxy]

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

where did this come from suddenly?

[Roxy]

Also happy birthday @Roxy !

<3

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack/Scotty fits in better as teammates with Wilgy than Pyxxy. I don't think Pyxxy/Wilgy would spend the entire game trying to hellbus each other like this, tbh.

Most likely Jack as I liked Scotty's paranoia on me while Jack's push on me kind of just feels like he's piggy-backing on Roxy's paranoia than actually doing anything to move the game-state forward.

Lul

Classic wolf Jack tactic. Sheep paranoia of low end poster from two days ago.

Moving to a three player poe is moving the gamestate forward. You just don’t like where I’m moving it.

What about Alison/Scotty/Roxy?

There's been very little suspicion on me and you only started turning on me the moment the latter two started to do so.

Suspicion on them, as I meant the three ones. Why me over Scotty/Alison since we've basically been roughly in the same tier until Roxy/Scotty began tinfoiling me.

but I have had you as a tinfoil since D 1 it's just that no one looks at my posts until today. So it did -not- just begin --- it began 2 days (mafia days) ago.

I mean, you've consistently had tinfoil on me. Thing is this sudden shift on Wilgy/Jack's PoV on me basically coincided with how Zenon/Tutu died who were the people that were TR'ing me the strongest and Scotty started tinfoiling me.

Like, Wilgy/Jack barely mentioned me at all and I only became PoE when it became convenient as my defenders died.

I don't get how you/Scotty aren't exactly seeing how opportunistic both of these two's suspicion on me have been as none of those two voice these suspicions until today and it was basically just tunneling more LHF-y acceptable people like Falcon or Pyxxy.

Okay but you're looking at me going back and doing a fuckton of work on everybody and interaction with you and working things out until I'm at "Camilla is for sure a wolf" and Wilgy randomly putting you in a POE for no stated reasons and being like "They're the same picture."

Which is just.....none of what you're doing this day phase makes any sense at all from t!Camilla.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Happy birthday, Roxy.

[Roxy]

I would like to sort Prince J aka Jack.

And go from there. Probs to Camilla.

Yep I am believing they are it.

So sort me. Who is “they” and why are “they” “it?”

"they" and "it" are generic pronouns I use in games of mafia for kindness as I can't always remember which pronouns some people prefer.

Sorry. I was asking if you were saying "Jack or Camilla is probably mafia" or "Jack AND Camilla are probably mafia."

Also, so glad you're back. Let's fucking win this thing.

I was thinking to clear you first but if you are town then it would have to be Camilla in my mind.

[Roxy]

Difference check on Camilla/jack.

Got it

ooooh where is my caramel corn?

[Jackofhearts2005]

And just for @Scotty and @Roxy worrying about me not voting fast enough, here are the receipts for that being normal town Jack behavior.

viewtopic.php?t=2485
Scooby Doo Monster Collective. I'm the D2 (mis)elimination. I vote once all game and it's on the last page of my iso.

viewtopic.php?t=2458
Cartomancy. Wolves conceed D5. I vote 4 times all game.

viewtopic.php?t=2445
Nanook's Anniversary Game. I suicide kill w!Doby middle of D2. I cast 1 vote all game.

Me not voting has nothing to do with...whyever a wolf player in my situation might not vote and everything to do with the way I play the game, which is to treat my vote like a gun. I only aim it at something I intend to kill.

[Jackofhearts2005]

And just for @Scotty and @Roxy worrying about me not voting fast enough, here are the receipts for that being normal town Jack behavior.

viewtopic.php?t=2485
Scooby Doo Monster Collective. I'm the D2 (mis)elimination. I vote once all game and it's on the last page of my iso.

viewtopic.php?t=2458
Cartomancy. Wolves conceed D5. I vote 4 times all game.

viewtopic.php?t=2445
Nanook's Anniversary Game. I suicide kill w!Doby middle of D2. I cast 1 vote all game.

Me not voting has nothing to do with...whyever a wolf player in my situation might not vote and everything to do with the way I play the game, which is to treat my vote like a gun. I only aim it at something I intend to kill.

Full disclosure, I vote similarly when I'm a wolf. For instance, voting twice in 4 days of Hot Fuzz mafia. My wolfgame is largely me larping my towngame.

[Scotty]

Really curious as to who mafia chooses to shoot tonite.

Some tough decisions

Go look at Wilgy's iso. It's 25 posts.

??

I’ve read Wilgy’s iso. What does that have to do with the NK?

[Scotty]

At this point, while I appreciate the thunderdome, I’m still nervous about Wilgy.

But with both of you basically crossing off Wilgy on your grocery list and waiting at the checkout counter, Wilgy’s scum equity is almost guaranteed or else town is completely off their rocker

If Wilgy's a villager then the game-state's completely fucked up.

The wolves in this case would be Jack plus one of you or Pyxxy but your paranoia has felt villagery and Pyxxy has had some good spots despite gimmicking, and Pyxxy has had some non-W/Wish interactions with Jack.

It can technically be but with how Jack's playing this endgame I feel like it's just him and Wilgy.

Well if Wilgy is town, I’m turboing you or Alison tomorrow.

And I’m probably not turboing Alison.

I don’t believe both you and Alison to be bad, ergo to have this switch onto Wilgy today when pyxxy would have been a perfectly easy sleepwalk today is suspect.

So agreed- if Wilgy is town, game state is fucked

[Jackofhearts2005]

Really curious as to who mafia chooses to shoot tonite.

Some tough decisions

Go look at Wilgy's iso. It's 25 posts.

??

I’ve read Wilgy’s iso. What does that have to do with the NK?

I meant wrt the stuff I'm saying about how he interacted with Porscha and Camilla. In that he didn't until he was forced by gamestate to spontaneously generate scumreads on them based on nothing.

[Scotty]

Really curious as to who mafia chooses to shoot tonite.

Some tough decisions

Depends on if Wilgy's the RBer and if they found the doc or not. If they can stop the doc then it's most likely Alison being that she's basically the player who has had the strongest finger on the pulse on the game-state.

Like, I don't get why I'm being tinfoiled despite that the past two nightkills both had me as a very strong townread and that Zenon and I have a lot of mutual experience with each other.

You don’t get why you’re being tinfoiled?

You don’t really think that, do you? I mean, it’s not like you’ve been the beacon of towniness. I know why I’d be tinfoiled.

[Scotty]

Jack/Scotty fits in better as teammates with Wilgy than Pyxxy. I don't think Pyxxy/Wilgy would spend the entire game trying to hellbus each other like this, tbh.

Most likely Jack as I liked Scotty's paranoia on me while Jack's push on me kind of just feels like he's piggy-backing on Roxy's paranoia than actually doing anything to move the game-state forward.

Lul

Classic wolf Jack tactic. Sheep paranoia of low end poster from two days ago.

Moving to a three player poe is moving the gamestate forward. You just don’t like where I’m moving it.

What about Alison/Scotty/Roxy?

There's been very little suspicion on me and you only started turning on me the moment the latter two started to do so.

Suspicion on them, as I meant the three ones. Why me over Scotty/Alison since we've basically been roughly in the same tier until Roxy/Scotty began tinfoiling me.

but I have had you as a tinfoil since D 1 it's just that no one looks at my posts until today. So it did -not- just begin --- it began 2 days (mafia days) ago.

I mean, you've consistently had tinfoil on me. Thing is this sudden shift on Wilgy/Jack's PoV on me basically coincided with how Zenon/Tutu died who were the people that were TR'ing me the strongest and Scotty started tinfoiling me.

Like, Wilgy/Jack barely mentioned me at all and I only became PoE when it became convenient as my defenders died.

I don't get how you/Scotty aren't exactly seeing how opportunistic both of these two's suspicion on me have been as none of those two voice these suspicions until today and it was basically just tunneling more LHF-y acceptable people like Falcon or Pyxxy.

I see how opportunistic they are. Duly noted.

I’m just in a mindset where you are still in the POE when and if Wilgy flips wolf.

And if you’re town, I feel like you’d be even more accepting of that. That you are flabbergasted that you would even be conceived as a suspect at this point is boggling to me

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

where did this come from suddenly?

It goes hand in hand with the post you quoted before this

[Jackofhearts2005]

im looking at camilla and rondo as top mafia suspects

then tinfoil category is pyxxy and roxy

then falcon category coz its falcon

everyone else is super town

What about Wilgy?

I basically have him in my "kinda villagery" area for his last vote on Porscha but in the end it I don't think that it was as good a reason for me to towncore him as Alison/You/Seanzie/Zenon.

i had a villager read on him from his opening post of him being exhausted with his quirk

so basically he says that every game

one time he didn't - he was actual doctor. the next time he was doctor he said it, but im making the argument that wilgy attaches some ... lets say stress/anxiety/effort to his one-liner copy paste gimmick.

him expressing that he got tired of it this game, just like stopping it midway and being like "nvm" basically just reprents to me that he's a vanilla town. so in a way he "let jesus take the wheel"

i might be clearing him too easily, you are making me feel paranoid, but ...

he did sheep. which. hm.

if i try to justify my townread on wilgy im falling flat.

so lets say ... im just going with gut here. i cant provide solid logical argumetns for why wilgy is mega town

also to clarify im NOT softing a green on him

Yh, I'm fine with not voting Wilgy for today.

I don't wanna say anything more as I feel like I've already fucked up enough rn.

Just pulling some Camilla/Wilgy interactives.

[Scotty]

Jack/Scotty fits in better as teammates with Wilgy than Pyxxy. I don't think Pyxxy/Wilgy would spend the entire game trying to hellbus each other like this, tbh.

Most likely Jack as I liked Scotty's paranoia on me while Jack's push on me kind of just feels like he's piggy-backing on Roxy's paranoia than actually doing anything to move the game-state forward.

Lul

Classic wolf Jack tactic. Sheep paranoia of low end poster from two days ago.

Moving to a three player poe is moving the gamestate forward. You just don’t like where I’m moving it.

What about Alison/Scotty/Roxy?

There's been very little suspicion on me and you only started turning on me the moment the latter two started to do so.

Suspicion on them, as I meant the three ones. Why me over Scotty/Alison since we've basically been roughly in the same tier until Roxy/Scotty began tinfoiling me.

but I have had you as a tinfoil since D 1 it's just that no one looks at my posts until today. So it did -not- just begin --- it began 2 days (mafia days) ago.

I mean, you've consistently had tinfoil on me. Thing is this sudden shift on Wilgy/Jack's PoV on me basically coincided with how Zenon/Tutu died who were the people that were TR'ing me the strongest and Scotty started tinfoiling me.

Like, Wilgy/Jack barely mentioned me at all and I only became PoE when it became convenient as my defenders died.

I don't get how you/Scotty aren't exactly seeing how opportunistic both of these two's suspicion on me have been as none of those two voice these suspicions until today and it was basically just tunneling more LHF-y acceptable people like Falcon or Pyxxy.

Okay but you're looking at me going back and doing a fuckton of work on everybody and interaction with you and working things out until I'm at "Camilla is for sure a wolf" and Wilgy randomly putting you in a POE for no stated reasons and being like "They're the same picture."

Which is just.....none of what you're doing this day phase makes any sense at all from t!Camilla.

In Camilla’s defense, you making deep dives and putting on your monocle is exactly what wolf jack should be doing. Shows constitution and could extend your life into endgame

[Roxy]

Y'know what?

I'm pretty much settled on the Jack/Wilgy world atp.

Jack's basically spending much of his time trying to tie me to Wilgy without giving much attention to the possibility that Pyxxy is a wolf or little paranoia outside of this PoE in a fairly transparent attempt that he knows that once Wilgy flips that the main mountain separating the wolves from winning is that I'll basically go the full Amrock to elim him.

This is basically textbook endgame wolf play to seal the game.

It makes sense too- this perspective. Because Jack wasn’t exactly gunning for Wilgy, and once the tides had changed to that as the possible yeet, he’s keeping options open.

But a wrinkle- he has just reasoned out that the team is just Wilgy/you. Not a lot of wiggle room. What happens when we yeet w!Wilgy and then t!you?
(Ignoring doc atm) After Wilgy, it’ll be 4v1. Miselim on you leads to f3. How does jack win in that scenario?

Because in a Pyxxy/Jack/You or Roxy endgame it's basically extremely easy for a wolf with WiM, which is basically the archetype that Jack is, to shift the elim on Pyxxy.

The guy nearly got chopped d1 and he's kind of been in the PoE and would've died if it was for Alison shielding him. Once Alison's dead he's basically easy pickings.

No way Pyxxy was dying D 1. Alison didn't post at all at EoD iirc she went offline in the early afternoon. As did Porscha. It was basically me against Zenon and Tutuu trying to save Porscha and both were mad when I tied it. Alison was no where around to defend Pyx at this time. So I do not know how Alison could have been "sheilding" them lol

I still think Pyx is town.
Or I am wronger than I have been in awhile.
Which is true idk.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m just in a mindset where you are still in the POE when and if Wilgy flips wolf.

And if you’re town, I feel like you’d be even more accepting of that. That you are flabbergasted that you would even be conceived as a suspect at this point is boggling to me

For entertainment purposes, watch the comfort level of Wilgy/Camilla/Jack as that becomes the plan. Cause if that contains all wolves, and I think it does, two of those players know they're about to lose and one thinks he's about to win.

[Scotty]

And just for @Scotty and @Roxy worrying about me not voting fast enough, here are the receipts for that being normal town Jack behavior.

viewtopic.php?t=2485
Scooby Doo Monster Collective. I'm the D2 (mis)elimination. I vote once all game and it's on the last page of my iso.

viewtopic.php?t=2458
Cartomancy. Wolves conceed D5. I vote 4 times all game.

viewtopic.php?t=2445
Nanook's Anniversary Game. I suicide kill w!Doby middle of D2. I cast 1 vote all game.

Me not voting has nothing to do with...whyever a wolf player in my situation might not vote and everything to do with the way I play the game, which is to treat my vote like a gun. I only aim it at something I intend to kill.

[Scotty]

And just for @Scotty and @Roxy worrying about me not voting fast enough, here are the receipts for that being normal town Jack behavior.

viewtopic.php?t=2485
Scooby Doo Monster Collective. I'm the D2 (mis)elimination. I vote once all game and it's on the last page of my iso.

viewtopic.php?t=2458
Cartomancy. Wolves conceed D5. I vote 4 times all game.

viewtopic.php?t=2445
Nanook's Anniversary Game. I suicide kill w!Doby middle of D2. I cast 1 vote all game.

Me not voting has nothing to do with...whyever a wolf player in my situation might not vote and everything to do with the way I play the game, which is to treat my vote like a gun. I only aim it at something I intend to kill.

Full disclosure, I vote similarly when I'm a wolf. For instance, voting twice in 4 days of Hot Fuzz mafia. My wolfgame is largely me larping my towngame.

So it’s not AI. Got it

[Camilla]

Really curious as to who mafia chooses to shoot tonite.

Some tough decisions

Depends on if Wilgy's the RBer and if they found the doc or not. If they can stop the doc then it's most likely Alison being that she's basically the player who has had the strongest finger on the pulse on the game-state.

Like, I don't get why I'm being tinfoiled despite that the past two nightkills both had me as a very strong townread and that Zenon and I have a lot of mutual experience with each other.

You don’t get why you’re being tinfoiled?

You don’t really think that, do you? I mean, it’s not like you’ve been the beacon of towniness. I know why I’d be tinfoiled.

I mean, Zenon’s basically the person who had the most experience with me and she got NK’d while strongly TRing me and Tutuu also TR’d me so id you’re not going to take the reads of the dead into account then there’s nothing I can do.

I didn’t play d1 due to a mixture of work and chronic health issues so if the crux of this paranoia boils down to me not being able to play because of my body not allowing me to then why would I be bothered?

[Scotty]

That jack is willing to die even before Camilla when Wilgy flips wolf is downright telling btw

[Camilla]

im looking at camilla and rondo as top mafia suspects

then tinfoil category is pyxxy and roxy

then falcon category coz its falcon

everyone else is super town

What about Wilgy?

I basically have him in my "kinda villagery" area for his last vote on Porscha but in the end it I don't think that it was as good a reason for me to towncore him as Alison/You/Seanzie/Zenon.

i had a villager read on him from his opening post of him being exhausted with his quirk

so basically he says that every game

one time he didn't - he was actual doctor. the next time he was doctor he said it, but im making the argument that wilgy attaches some ... lets say stress/anxiety/effort to his one-liner copy paste gimmick.

him expressing that he got tired of it this game, just like stopping it midway and being like "nvm" basically just reprents to me that he's a vanilla town. so in a way he "let jesus take the wheel"

i might be clearing him too easily, you are making me feel paranoid, but ...

he did sheep. which. hm.

if i try to justify my townread on wilgy im falling flat.

so lets say ... im just going with gut here. i cant provide solid logical argumetns for why wilgy is mega town

also to clarify im NOT softing a green on him

Yh, I'm fine with not voting Wilgy for today.

I don't wanna say anything more as I feel like I've already fucked up enough rn.

Just pulling some Camilla/Wilgy interactives.

I interpreted this as Tutuu having a green check on Wilgy. Which shows a lack of TMI rather than agenda.

[Roxy]

That is a hell of a compliment, Roxy.

I meant it

[Scotty]

Really curious as to who mafia chooses to shoot tonite.

Some tough decisions

Depends on if Wilgy's the RBer and if they found the doc or not. If they can stop the doc then it's most likely Alison being that she's basically the player who has had the strongest finger on the pulse on the game-state.

Like, I don't get why I'm being tinfoiled despite that the past two nightkills both had me as a very strong townread and that Zenon and I have a lot of mutual experience with each other.

You don’t get why you’re being tinfoiled?

You don’t really think that, do you? I mean, it’s not like you’ve been the beacon of towniness. I know why I’d be tinfoiled.

I mean, Zenon’s basically the person who had the most experience with me and she got NK’d while strongly TRing me and Tutuu also TR’d me so id you’re not going to take the reads of the dead into account then there’s nothing I can do.

I didn’t play d1 due to a mixture of work and chronic health issues so if the crux of this paranoia boils down to me not being able to play because of my body not allowing me to then why would I be bothered?

Well, zenon also hard defended Porscha and tutuu had her blinders on regarding me before she went down, so people can be wrong. It happens.

And I’m not criticizing your absence from D1 as a personal thing. I sense a bit of frustration there that I’d be judging you for that. When in reality, you being absent from the vote for Porscha objectively leaves you open to being partners purely by a voting standpoint. Does it not?

[Jackofhearts2005]

im looking at camilla and rondo as top mafia suspects

then tinfoil category is pyxxy and roxy

then falcon category coz its falcon

everyone else is super town

What about Wilgy?

I basically have him in my "kinda villagery" area for his last vote on Porscha but in the end it I don't think that it was as good a reason for me to towncore him as Alison/You/Seanzie/Zenon.

i had a villager read on him from his opening post of him being exhausted with his quirk

so basically he says that every game

one time he didn't - he was actual doctor. the next time he was doctor he said it, but im making the argument that wilgy attaches some ... lets say stress/anxiety/effort to his one-liner copy paste gimmick.

him expressing that he got tired of it this game, just like stopping it midway and being like "nvm" basically just reprents to me that he's a vanilla town. so in a way he "let jesus take the wheel"

i might be clearing him too easily, you are making me feel paranoid, but ...

he did sheep. which. hm.

if i try to justify my townread on wilgy im falling flat.

so lets say ... im just going with gut here. i cant provide solid logical argumetns for why wilgy is mega town

also to clarify im NOT softing a green on him

Yh, I'm fine with not voting Wilgy for today.

I don't wanna say anything more as I feel like I've already fucked up enough rn.

Just pulling some Camilla/Wilgy interactives.

I interpreted this as Tutuu having a green check on Wilgy. Which shows a lack of TMI rather than agenda.

Then how come you have Wilgy in your nulls (or if there are supposed to be 3 green categories, at the bottom of your townleans) in your next readlist?

Camilla
Zenon
Alison
tutu

Scotty

J
Wilgy

falcon
pyxxy

Roxy
Rondo

Currently where I'm at, tbh.

[Jackofhearts2005]

In context, your posts about Wilgy feel a lot more like a teammate you want others to townread and you don't want to really take a stand on yourself.

[Roxy]

Happy birthday, Roxy.

<3

[Jackofhearts2005]

i would like to point out that in last game porscha wolfed in here (i hosted it, the one i linked to alison earlier) - she was mafia with pyxxy and zenon, and all 3 heavily relied on bussing. they did it way too much imo

also pyxxy did some wild stuff with lack of self preservation in an attempt to bring chaos

This is kind of why I'm locktowning Zenon.

She never hard-defends a wolf-partners like Porscha like this.

Pyxxy I feel like he'd be trying to look unaligned with Porscha in this thread-state rather than just awkwardly try to shift the wagon to someone who's not a viable elim than this so I kind of would always kill Falco/Rondo/Roxy/Maybe J or Wigly before him, tbh.

Literally player salad.

[Camilla]

im looking at camilla and rondo as top mafia suspects

then tinfoil category is pyxxy and roxy

then falcon category coz its falcon

everyone else is super town

What about Wilgy?

I basically have him in my "kinda villagery" area for his last vote on Porscha but in the end it I don't think that it was as good a reason for me to towncore him as Alison/You/Seanzie/Zenon.

i had a villager read on him from his opening post of him being exhausted with his quirk

so basically he says that every game

one time he didn't - he was actual doctor. the next time he was doctor he said it, but im making the argument that wilgy attaches some ... lets say stress/anxiety/effort to his one-liner copy paste gimmick.

him expressing that he got tired of it this game, just like stopping it midway and being like "nvm" basically just reprents to me that he's a vanilla town. so in a way he "let jesus take the wheel"

i might be clearing him too easily, you are making me feel paranoid, but ...

he did sheep. which. hm.

if i try to justify my townread on wilgy im falling flat.

so lets say ... im just going with gut here. i cant provide solid logical argumetns for why wilgy is mega town

also to clarify im NOT softing a green on him

Yh, I'm fine with not voting Wilgy for today.

I don't wanna say anything more as I feel like I've already fucked up enough rn.

Just pulling some Camilla/Wilgy interactives.

I interpreted this as Tutuu having a green check on Wilgy. Which shows a lack of TMI rather than agenda.

Then how come you have Wilgy in your nulls (or if there are supposed to be 3 green categories, at the bottom of your townleans) in your next readlist?

Camilla
Zenon
Alison
tutu

Scotty

J
Wilgy

falcon
pyxxy

Roxy
Rondo

Currently where I'm at, tbh.

Because I didn’t want to signal to the wolfteam that “HEY GUYS THIS IS THE COP AND SHE HAS A GREEN CHECK ON WILGY.

[Scotty]

im looking at camilla and rondo as top mafia suspects

then tinfoil category is pyxxy and roxy

then falcon category coz its falcon

everyone else is super town

What about Wilgy?

I basically have him in my "kinda villagery" area for his last vote on Porscha but in the end it I don't think that it was as good a reason for me to towncore him as Alison/You/Seanzie/Zenon.

i had a villager read on him from his opening post of him being exhausted with his quirk

so basically he says that every game

one time he didn't - he was actual doctor. the next time he was doctor he said it, but im making the argument that wilgy attaches some ... lets say stress/anxiety/effort to his one-liner copy paste gimmick.

him expressing that he got tired of it this game, just like stopping it midway and being like "nvm" basically just reprents to me that he's a vanilla town. so in a way he "let jesus take the wheel"

i might be clearing him too easily, you are making me feel paranoid, but ...

he did sheep. which. hm.

if i try to justify my townread on wilgy im falling flat.

so lets say ... im just going with gut here. i cant provide solid logical argumetns for why wilgy is mega town

also to clarify im NOT softing a green on him

Yh, I'm fine with not voting Wilgy for today.

I don't wanna say anything more as I feel like I've already fucked up enough rn.

Just pulling some Camilla/Wilgy interactives.

I interpreted this as Tutuu having a green check on Wilgy. Which shows a lack of TMI rather than agenda.

Tutuu’s post there doesn’t seem like she greenchecked wilgy. She is actively waffling on whether or not she should be paranoid of him

[Roxy]

And just for @Scotty and @Roxy worrying about me not voting fast enough, here are the receipts for that being normal town Jack behavior.

viewtopic.php?t=2485
Scooby Doo Monster Collective. I'm the D2 (mis)elimination. I vote once all game and it's on the last page of my iso.

viewtopic.php?t=2458
Cartomancy. Wolves conceed D5. I vote 4 times all game.

viewtopic.php?t=2445
Nanook's Anniversary Game. I suicide kill w!Doby middle of D2. I cast 1 vote all game.

Me not voting has nothing to do with...whyever a wolf player in my situation might not vote and everything to do with the way I play the game, which is to treat my vote like a gun. I only aim it at something I intend to kill.

nah I do not do "meta" I do vibes/tone/feels. So thats the biggest NO from me I refuse to read back at a past game lmao

[Jackofhearts2005]

What about Wilgy?

I basically have him in my "kinda villagery" area for his last vote on Porscha but in the end it I don't think that it was as good a reason for me to towncore him as Alison/You/Seanzie/Zenon.

i had a villager read on him from his opening post of him being exhausted with his quirk

so basically he says that every game

one time he didn't - he was actual doctor. the next time he was doctor he said it, but im making the argument that wilgy attaches some ... lets say stress/anxiety/effort to his one-liner copy paste gimmick.

him expressing that he got tired of it this game, just like stopping it midway and being like "nvm" basically just reprents to me that he's a vanilla town. so in a way he "let jesus take the wheel"

i might be clearing him too easily, you are making me feel paranoid, but ...

he did sheep. which. hm.

if i try to justify my townread on wilgy im falling flat.

so lets say ... im just going with gut here. i cant provide solid logical argumetns for why wilgy is mega town

also to clarify im NOT softing a green on him

Yh, I'm fine with not voting Wilgy for today.

I don't wanna say anything more as I feel like I've already fucked up enough rn.

Just pulling some Camilla/Wilgy interactives.

I interpreted this as Tutuu having a green check on Wilgy. Which shows a lack of TMI rather than agenda.

Then how come you have Wilgy in your nulls (or if there are supposed to be 3 green categories, at the bottom of your townleans) in your next readlist?

Camilla
Zenon
Alison
tutu

Scotty

J
Wilgy

falcon
pyxxy

Roxy
Rondo

Currently where I'm at, tbh.

Because I didn’t want to signal to the wolfteam that “HEY GUYS THIS IS THE COP AND SHE HAS A GREEN CHECK ON WILGY.

Hmm yes, well trust me, there's a lot of posts where I also didn't have tmi but then I didn't say anything because I didn't want to signal but trust me, they're totally real so I have to be townie.

[Camilla]

im looking at camilla and rondo as top mafia suspects

then tinfoil category is pyxxy and roxy

then falcon category coz its falcon

everyone else is super town

What about Wilgy?

I basically have him in my "kinda villagery" area for his last vote on Porscha but in the end it I don't think that it was as good a reason for me to towncore him as Alison/You/Seanzie/Zenon.

i had a villager read on him from his opening post of him being exhausted with his quirk

so basically he says that every game

one time he didn't - he was actual doctor. the next time he was doctor he said it, but im making the argument that wilgy attaches some ... lets say stress/anxiety/effort to his one-liner copy paste gimmick.

him expressing that he got tired of it this game, just like stopping it midway and being like "nvm" basically just reprents to me that he's a vanilla town. so in a way he "let jesus take the wheel"

i might be clearing him too easily, you are making me feel paranoid, but ...

he did sheep. which. hm.

if i try to justify my townread on wilgy im falling flat.

so lets say ... im just going with gut here. i cant provide solid logical argumetns for why wilgy is mega town

also to clarify im NOT softing a green on him

Yh, I'm fine with not voting Wilgy for today.

I don't wanna say anything more as I feel like I've already fucked up enough rn.

Just pulling some Camilla/Wilgy interactives.

I interpreted this as Tutuu having a green check on Wilgy. Which shows a lack of TMI rather than agenda.

Tutuu’s post there doesn’t seem like she greenchecked wilgy. She is actively waffling on whether or not she should be paranoid of him

Because I thought that she was trying to make her sound like she wasn’t the cop at all.

The entire point of leaving peeks is to make sure wolves don’t detect it so I was trying to make it look more discrete when I realized that I made my cop read too obvious.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Tutuu: "I am not softing a green on [Wilgy]"

Camilla: "And I thought that meant Tutuu was softing a green on Wilgy, which proves I don't have tmi, which proves I'm town."

Looooool

[Scotty]

What about Wilgy?

I basically have him in my "kinda villagery" area for his last vote on Porscha but in the end it I don't think that it was as good a reason for me to towncore him as Alison/You/Seanzie/Zenon.

i had a villager read on him from his opening post of him being exhausted with his quirk

so basically he says that every game

one time he didn't - he was actual doctor. the next time he was doctor he said it, but im making the argument that wilgy attaches some ... lets say stress/anxiety/effort to his one-liner copy paste gimmick.

him expressing that he got tired of it this game, just like stopping it midway and being like "nvm" basically just reprents to me that he's a vanilla town. so in a way he "let jesus take the wheel"

i might be clearing him too easily, you are making me feel paranoid, but ...

he did sheep. which. hm.

if i try to justify my townread on wilgy im falling flat.

so lets say ... im just going with gut here. i cant provide solid logical argumetns for why wilgy is mega town

also to clarify im NOT softing a green on him

Yh, I'm fine with not voting Wilgy for today.

I don't wanna say anything more as I feel like I've already fucked up enough rn.

Just pulling some Camilla/Wilgy interactives.

I interpreted this as Tutuu having a green check on Wilgy. Which shows a lack of TMI rather than agenda.

Then how come you have Wilgy in your nulls (or if there are supposed to be 3 green categories, at the bottom of your townleans) in your next readlist?

Camilla
Zenon
Alison
tutu

Scotty

J
Wilgy

falcon
pyxxy

Roxy
Rondo

Currently where I'm at, tbh.

Because I didn’t want to signal to the wolfteam that “HEY GUYS THIS IS THE COP AND SHE HAS A GREEN CHECK ON WILGY.

You can list someone as a townread and not out the cop

You just didn’t even list him as town, which jack is right. It’s weird and not concurrent with your previous thought

[Jackofhearts2005]

Pyxxy + wilgy is a possible team too (wilgy sheeping on a wolf flip) in w/w wagons

I dont think wilgy is mafia without pyxxy, just shrug sheeping on a wolf wagon and 3 posting is not a scum activity. He put porscha at 3 votes. He knows 4 votes are enough to chop someone on the syndicate. My game was a 15er and the d1 wagon had 4 votes to chop it, a lot of players here played it

Didn't Wilgy put Porscha at 4 votes since you were on her when he voted or am I misremembering?

Either way I'm kind of reluctant on Pyxxy as the way Porscha treated him didn't really feel like she was doing it in a W/W way.

Defending Wilgy who is again, a null or the very bottom of her townleans (or is a green check

[Jackofhearts2005]

Pyxxy + wilgy is a possible team too (wilgy sheeping on a wolf flip) in w/w wagons

I dont think wilgy is mafia without pyxxy, just shrug sheeping on a wolf wagon and 3 posting is not a scum activity. He put porscha at 3 votes. He knows 4 votes are enough to chop someone on the syndicate. My game was a 15er and the d1 wagon had 4 votes to chop it, a lot of players here played it

Didn't Wilgy put Porscha at 4 votes since you were on her when he voted or am I misremembering?

Either way I'm kind of reluctant on Pyxxy as the way Porscha treated him didn't really feel like she was doing it in a W/W way.

Defending Wilgy who is again, a null or the very bottom of her townleans (or is a green check

[Jackofhearts2005]

if you're very gullible)

[Roxy]

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

where did this come from suddenly?

It goes hand in hand with the post you quoted before this

sorry me and my catch up's leave something to be desired sometimes.

[Jackofhearts2005]

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Camilla
Alison
Zenon
Scotty
tutuu


Rondo
Wilgy
J

falcon
Pyxxy

Roxy
-----------------

Roughly where I'm at, I think?

Don't necessarily think that the game's just as easy as Roxy/Pyxxy.

Pyxxy's lack of town entitlement was meh but the way Porscha/Pyxxy handled each other kind of doesn't feel W/W-ish at all.

Gonna head to bed and think about this when I wake up.

Wilgy still hasn't moved up the readlist and nothing in the way Camilla talks about Wilgy implies she thinks for even a second that Wilgy is green checked.

I think that's just a flat lie from w!Camilla clutching at straws to try to make herself look townie.

[Camilla]

i had a villager read on him from his opening post of him being exhausted with his quirk

so basically he says that every game

one time he didn't - he was actual doctor. the next time he was doctor he said it, but im making the argument that wilgy attaches some ... lets say stress/anxiety/effort to his one-liner copy paste gimmick.

him expressing that he got tired of it this game, just like stopping it midway and being like "nvm" basically just reprents to me that he's a vanilla town. so in a way he "let jesus take the wheel"

i might be clearing him too easily, you are making me feel paranoid, but ...

he did sheep. which. hm.

if i try to justify my townread on wilgy im falling flat.

so lets say ... im just going with gut here. i cant provide solid logical argumetns for why wilgy is mega town

also to clarify im NOT softing a green on him

Yh, I'm fine with not voting Wilgy for today.

I don't wanna say anything more as I feel like I've already fucked up enough rn.

Just pulling some Camilla/Wilgy interactives.

I interpreted this as Tutuu having a green check on Wilgy. Which shows a lack of TMI rather than agenda.

Then how come you have Wilgy in your nulls (or if there are supposed to be 3 green categories, at the bottom of your townleans) in your next readlist?

Camilla
Zenon
Alison
tutu

Scotty

J
Wilgy

falcon
pyxxy

Roxy
Rondo

Currently where I'm at, tbh.

Because I didn’t want to signal to the wolfteam that “HEY GUYS THIS IS THE COP AND SHE HAS A GREEN CHECK ON WILGY.

You can list someone as a townread and not out the cop

You just didn’t even list him as town, which jack is right. It’s weird and not concurrent with your previous thought

It’s awkward because I realized how badly I was signaling my Tutuu copread and tried to make it look less blatant.

What else can I do? If I put him in my townreads then I’d be confirming my copread and if I put him in my wolfreads then it’d look weird if I tried to defend him.

[Scotty]

And just for @Scotty and @Roxy worrying about me not voting fast enough, here are the receipts for that being normal town Jack behavior.

viewtopic.php?t=2485
Scooby Doo Monster Collective. I'm the D2 (mis)elimination. I vote once all game and it's on the last page of my iso.

viewtopic.php?t=2458
Cartomancy. Wolves conceed D5. I vote 4 times all game.

viewtopic.php?t=2445
Nanook's Anniversary Game. I suicide kill w!Doby middle of D2. I cast 1 vote all game.

Me not voting has nothing to do with...whyever a wolf player in my situation might not vote and everything to do with the way I play the game, which is to treat my vote like a gun. I only aim it at something I intend to kill.

nah I do not do "meta" I do vibes/tone/feels. So thats the biggest NO from me I refuse to read back at a past game lmao

Just as an awareness thing- and it’s no big deal- but when you bring up points like you did earlier on how ‘I’ve played with you before and should know your games’ this is kinda how I feel too. Meta can be hard for me to grab onto, because a) meta can change and b) I don’t have the mental capacity to remember people’s nuances.

Again, just bringing awareness that you seem to not want to use meta when looking at other people but use it as a defense when others suspect you, and it can come off as hypocritical.

Please know this is not an indictment on your character, but how I read you in games

[Camilla]

Pyxxy + wilgy is a possible team too (wilgy sheeping on a wolf flip) in w/w wagons

I dont think wilgy is mafia without pyxxy, just shrug sheeping on a wolf wagon and 3 posting is not a scum activity. He put porscha at 3 votes. He knows 4 votes are enough to chop someone on the syndicate. My game was a 15er and the d1 wagon had 4 votes to chop it, a lot of players here played it

Didn't Wilgy put Porscha at 4 votes since you were on her when he voted or am I misremembering?

Either way I'm kind of reluctant on Pyxxy as the way Porscha treated him didn't really feel like she was doing it in a W/W way.

Defending Wilgy who is again, a null or the very bottom of her townleans (or is a green check

I’m not defending Wilgy.

I was doing VCA and it may surprise you that you can’t do VCA without mentioning facts that actually happened in the thread even if it makes wolves look good.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Who 3rd?

Haven’t done my DD but I’m thinking within
Prince/Alison/falcon

I think J has a chance of being a wolf going UTR as I don't think Porscha's ping to him is that significant.

He kind of just dipped the moment we brought up Porscha's ping and that's kind of unlike him as he's more enthusiastic than this.

He tends to have a hectic schedule so he usually just posts in bursts rather than threadcamp but it was kind of odd for his energy to suddenly dissipate that quickly.

Yeah Porscha’s ping is the only mention of him, and as I said in the Porscha iso, she listed 3 low posters, but didn’t mention prince. Why?

I think we're reading too hard into Porscha complaining about lowposters.

I'd say it's Rule of Three but Rule of Three has become such a popular tell that a lot of wolves don't do it anymore.

I disagree.

[Scotty]

Yh, I'm fine with not voting Wilgy for today.

I don't wanna say anything more as I feel like I've already fucked up enough rn.

Just pulling some Camilla/Wilgy interactives.

I interpreted this as Tutuu having a green check on Wilgy. Which shows a lack of TMI rather than agenda.

Then how come you have Wilgy in your nulls (or if there are supposed to be 3 green categories, at the bottom of your townleans) in your next readlist?

Camilla
Zenon
Alison
tutu

Scotty

J
Wilgy

falcon
pyxxy

Roxy
Rondo

Currently where I'm at, tbh.

Because I didn’t want to signal to the wolfteam that “HEY GUYS THIS IS THE COP AND SHE HAS A GREEN CHECK ON WILGY.

You can list someone as a townread and not out the cop

You just didn’t even list him as town, which jack is right. It’s weird and not concurrent with your previous thought

It’s awkward because I realized how badly I was signaling my Tutuu copread and tried to make it look less blatant.

What else can I do? If I put him in my townreads then I’d be confirming my copread and if I put him in my wolfreads then it’d look weird if I tried to defend him.

I had no indication or awareness that you thought tutuu copped wilgy. If you actually had paranoia that others thought you thought that tutuu was the cop, it is what it is.

Granted, I haven’t been thinking about the cop at all this game.

[Roxy]

Really curious as to who mafia chooses to shoot tonite.

Some tough decisions

Depends on if Wilgy's the RBer and if they found the doc or not. If they can stop the doc then it's most likely Alison being that she's basically the player who has had the strongest finger on the pulse on the game-state.

Like, I don't get why I'm being tinfoiled despite that the past two nightkills both had me as a very strong townread and that Zenon and I have a lot of mutual experience with each other.

You don’t get why you’re being tinfoiled?

You don’t really think that, do you? I mean, it’s not like you’ve been the beacon of towniness. I know why I’d be tinfoiled.

I mean, Zenon’s basically the person who had the most experience with me and she got NK’d while strongly TRing me and Tutuu also TR’d me so id you’re not going to take the reads of the dead into account then there’s nothing I can do.

I didn’t play d1 due to a mixture of work and chronic health issues so if the crux of this paranoia boils down to me not being able to play because of my body not allowing me to then why would I be bothered?

I am going to be plain with you on this point but I am speaking only for *myself*:

Zenon and Tutuu may have been townreading you strongly but they did the same with Porscha saying it was an awful elim. Defending her up to the end then they said I was probs a baddie bussing so yeah I won't take anything they have thought *this* game into account when it comes to reading you. Imma do that myself.

[Jackofhearts2005]

How we feeling with Rondo/falcon wagons? I feel pretty good that at least one of these is wolf

Maybe?

I'm still fairly certain on Alison/Zenon, a bit less on you/Tutu. Roxy is probably just a villa.

Atp Wilgy/J feel like reading tea leaves and are also in my PoE as Pyxxy so I'm not 100% certain that these wagons have at least 1 wolf in them.

Wilgy is so null, trying to find his alignment is like "reading tea leaves."

Again, this is a player Camilla claims to think is green peeked.

[Roxy]

im looking at camilla and rondo as top mafia suspects

then tinfoil category is pyxxy and roxy

then falcon category coz its falcon

everyone else is super town

What about Wilgy?

I basically have him in my "kinda villagery" area for his last vote on Porscha but in the end it I don't think that it was as good a reason for me to towncore him as Alison/You/Seanzie/Zenon.

i had a villager read on him from his opening post of him being exhausted with his quirk

so basically he says that every game

one time he didn't - he was actual doctor. the next time he was doctor he said it, but im making the argument that wilgy attaches some ... lets say stress/anxiety/effort to his one-liner copy paste gimmick.

him expressing that he got tired of it this game, just like stopping it midway and being like "nvm" basically just reprents to me that he's a vanilla town. so in a way he "let jesus take the wheel"

i might be clearing him too easily, you are making me feel paranoid, but ...

he did sheep. which. hm.

if i try to justify my townread on wilgy im falling flat.

so lets say ... im just going with gut here. i cant provide solid logical argumetns for why wilgy is mega town

also to clarify im NOT softing a green on him

Yh, I'm fine with not voting Wilgy for today.

I don't wanna say anything more as I feel like I've already fucked up enough rn.

Just pulling some Camilla/Wilgy interactives.

I interpreted this as Tutuu having a green check on Wilgy. Which shows a lack of TMI rather than agenda.

There is no way Tutuu could have had a green check on anyone tbh.

[Jackofhearts2005]

And again, Tutuu literally says "This is not me softing a green peak on Wilgy."

There is zero reason to think Camilla thought that and a TON of reason to think she didn't. This is a retroactive read intended to make people townread her. It's a lie.

Camilla is a wolf.