The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [ENDGAME]

#751

zeek wrote:
Mongoose wrote:Guys, we can't just all vote for ourselves.
Vote for me then

I might! We need to start nominating people and have a discussion on the merits of voting that player, what do y'all think?

#752

zeek wrote:You also said:
Elohcin wrote:Made, I know you are my tag teammate, but I have to say that I don't believe you either :/. This will be my last post for the evening. The kids are sleeping soundly in their beds which means I need to get some rest. And I know it will be difficult to sleep well tonight.

Elohcin wrote:My thoughts exactly. And, are you sure you're even allowed to tell us your vote was forced? You telling us it was forced makes me think you are making it up b/c I thought you were not allowed to share that kind of info.
linki: I am already under the thick sack of blankets Yay for laptops
But whatever, I'm not debating u-turns. Fact is the first time you even mention my name is in voting for me. That's not right.

right...I did say those things and I stand behind them. I still don't believe him about the forced vote. I call it shenanigans. Even in the post where I voted for you I said even if he is fibbing, doesn't make him bad. I'm not saying he definitely isn't bad. I am just saying I find you more suspicious than him. But, whatevs. I'm not pressing the situation anymore. Why are you so paranoid that one little 'ol Eloh finds you suspish?

#753

Yes, please give me the wand.

#754

Mongoose wrote:
zeek wrote:
Mongoose wrote:Guys, we can't just all vote for ourselves.
Vote for me then
I might! We need to start nominating people and have a discussion on the merits of voting that player, what do y'all think?

Mongoose, is there someone you trust, then?

#755

Dom wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
zeek wrote:
Mongoose wrote:Guys, we can't just all vote for ourselves.
Vote for me then
I might! We need to start nominating people and have a discussion on the merits of voting that player, what do y'all think?
Mongoose, is there someone you trust, then?

Hmm. You kinda. zeek seems an okay option. There are people that have been helpful, so I want to trust them, but that's naive. I don't think we've been in this long enough to trust anyone yet, but I think we have some contenders that hopefully we can come to a group consensus on.

The imp in me wants to say "Screw it, let's give it to Vompatti."

#756

I wouldn't mind it if some people decided to give me the wand.

#757

I think the only person I feel confident is civ (aside from myself) is MP. Just going on my gut feel from him, but so far I trust him. So I'm voting MP to get the wand.

#758

Mongoose wrote:
Dom wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
zeek wrote:
Mongoose wrote:Guys, we can't just all vote for ourselves.
Vote for me then
I might! We need to start nominating people and have a discussion on the merits of voting that player, what do y'all think?
Mongoose, is there someone you trust, then?
Hmm. You kinda. zeek seems an okay option. There are people that have been helpful, so I want to trust them, but that's naive. I don't think we've been in this long enough to trust anyone yet, but I think we have some contenders that hopefully we can come to a group consensus on.

The imp in me wants to say "Screw it, let's give it to Vompatti."

#759

Damn. RIP Llama. I'm sorry I was wrong about you, and I will miss you this game.

Spacedaisy wrote:I think the only person I feel confident is civ (aside from myself) is MP. Just going on my gut feel from him, but so far I trust him. So I'm voting MP to get the wand.

Well, I really appreciate this!

I'm contemplating voting myself, but I'll wait a bit for now.

Dom wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
Dom wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
zeek wrote:
Mongoose wrote:Guys, we can't just all vote for ourselves.
Vote for me then
I might! We need to start nominating people and have a discussion on the merits of voting that player, what do y'all think?
Mongoose, is there someone you trust, then?
Hmm. You kinda. zeek seems an okay option. There are people that have been helpful, so I want to trust them, but that's naive. I don't think we've been in this long enough to trust anyone yet, but I think we have some contenders that hopefully we can come to a group consensus on.

The imp in me wants to say "Screw it, let's give it to Vompatti."

What are you thinking, Dom?

Mongoose, why are Dom and zeek the first two options you mentioned?

I've loved playing a game again with zeek, but I hesitate to see how he's earned your trust more than literally every other player in the game. I don't trust him.

#760

I'm just curious about why Mongoose picked me, but it's a very minor ping.

#761

Dom wrote:I'm just curious about why Mongoose picked me, but it's a very minor ping.

Oh, okay. Yeah, I am interested to hear that as well, since I'm pretty sure she never mentioned you or zeek before that post.

Personally, if I was to vote anyone other than myself for this poll... at the moment I'm leaning Turnip Head. I know he can be an incredibly brilliant baddie, but I have received nothing but good vibes from him so far this game. Despite that, I am not too sure how I feel about a lot of players, so this will force me to consider other options as well.

#762

I'm not sure I want to waste Daisy's vote of confidence in me either though.

So... I'll be back tomorrow. Will mull over the options. Interested to see what everyone else is thinking.

#763

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dom wrote:I'm just curious about why Mongoose picked me, but it's a very minor ping.
Oh, okay. Yeah, I am interested to hear that as well, since I'm pretty sure she never mentioned you or zeek before that post.

Personally, if I was to vote anyone other than myself for this poll... at the moment I'm leaning Turnip Head. I know he can be an incredibly brilliant baddie, but I have received nothing but good vibes from him so far this game. Despite that, I am not too sure how I feel about a lot of players, so this will force me to consider other options as well.

MP, what do you make of Llama being a civvie?
I think Made might be a baddie, especially since Llama ended up being civvie. I suspect Boom more, but man, it makes it harder for me to give Made the BOTD.

#764

thellama73
10
Roxy (8), MovingPictures07 (9), Bass_the_Clever (10), S~V~S (13), Spacedaisy (18), FZ. (19), Turnip Head (20), juliets (21), Snow Dog (22), Boomslang (25)
40%

I'll tell you what, there is 10 people who won't get my vote for certain. Bet dollars to donuts there was a save attempt on Made, and llama was the result.

#765

Recency mostly! I had just responded to zeek and then Dom seems Timmer is another I'd consider.

I feel so nebulous on nearly everyone. A lot of people haven't said much still. There aren't a lot of people I'd straight up oppose actually, but I'm still a nervous horse about trusting people so early on.

#766

Giving the Wand to Dom

#767

I'm going to go ahead and vote Dom since he has one vote and didn't just vote for himself ab initio and flee hehe.

#768

Rest in peace Llama

#769

I'm not sure I'm okay with Dom having the wand after what happened last time he got it...

#770

RIP, llama. I cannot believe I missed yet another poll. I really need to nail down the period end time. I haven't seen it on any of the polls, is it 6pm EST?

#771

23 hours from the night post is 7:43pm EST

#772

I'd love to get the wand. Does anyone trust me enough?

RIP Llama, truly sorry to see you go.

Mad Hatter, eh? Of all the secrets, that's the one I felt most likely to be one that could mess with a person's posting or voting somehow. Tough to say.

#773

Turnip Head wrote:I'm not sure I'm okay with Dom having the wand after what happened last time he got it...

#774

I'm surprised no one else commented on INH's commentary of Boomslang tbh

#775

yo dom, what's your argument against boomslang btw, I'm not sure i understand it clearly. Same/similar to INH's?

#776

Made wrote:yo dom, what's your argument against boomslang btw, I'm not sure i understand it clearly. Same/similar to INH's?

#777

I don't want to vote for a llama lyncher either. I think I trust LC a bit more than the others, but only slightly.

Elohcin wrote:right...I did say those things and I stand behind them. I still don't believe him about the forced vote. I call it shenanigans. Even in the post where I voted for you I said even if he is fibbing, doesn't make him bad. I'm not saying he definitely isn't bad. I am just saying I find you more suspicious than him. But, whatevs. I'm not pressing the situation anymore. Why are you so paranoid that one little 'ol Eloh finds you suspish?

I'm not paranoid, I'm annoyed. You're still not saying why you find me suspicious, at least pretend to have a reason.

#778

Sorry Llama. I never voted for you early till now. I really thought you were shifty. I guess I'll never work you out.

#779

Long Con wrote:I'd love to get the wand. Does anyone trust me enough?

RIP Llama, truly sorry to see you go.

Mad Hatter, eh? Of all the secrets, that's the one I felt most likely to be one that could mess with a person's posting or voting somehow. Tough to say.

I gave you my vote

Bye llama

#780

Sorry, llama

Not going to say RIP because I hate when people wrongfully lynch me and then just go on like it's nothing, because it annoys the hell out of me (and yeah, I know, it's just a game). I apologize. I shouldn't have voted for you when I wasn't feeling that sure, but I didn't like the votes on Made.
To be honest, I think that if like I believe Made is a civ, then there's more chance to find baddies on his list of voters because it was easier to excuse a vote for him. I get why no one wants to give the wand to those on llama's lynch, but we all make mistakes.

I want to give the wand to TH, but I'm hesitant. I felt his actions were genuine last day, but who knows, maybe I'm wrong. I'll think about this a little more

#781

rip llama. I became convinced that Made was not lying and that you were trying to take him down. Then when you made you comment about Mongoose really lying it furthered my bad feeling, throwing a friend under the bus to get out of a lynch. I couldn't see a civ doing that. Even with that though I should've given more thought to you both (you and Made) being civ.

I agree with FZ. that if Made is civ there are baddies on his list of voters. I also agree that TH seemed genuine yesterday defending Made and so he is a potential for me to give a vote to. Others are as well though so I'm going to think on it a little more before I vote.

#782

I forgot I also wanted to ask Elo what she finds suspicious about zeek? That was an odd vote in my eye.

#783

DharmaHelper wrote:thellama73
10
Roxy (8), MovingPictures07 (9), Bass_the_Clever (10), S~V~S (13), Spacedaisy (18), FZ. (19), Turnip Head (20), juliets (21), Snow Dog (22), Boomslang (25)
40%

I'll tell you what, there is 10 people who won't get my vote for certain. Bet dollars to donuts there was a save attempt on Made, and llama was the result.

I hate this. I don't like it one bit.

We don't know Made's alignment.

Clearly not everyone in that list of Llama voters is bad. So why punish every single one by not giving any of them your vote? This same question goes to others who have said the same sentiment. It's a BS way to blame someone else and seem like you're being civvie minded.

This pushes DH way up my list to be honest.

Dom wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dom wrote:I'm just curious about why Mongoose picked me, but it's a very minor ping.
Oh, okay. Yeah, I am interested to hear that as well, since I'm pretty sure she never mentioned you or zeek before that post.

Personally, if I was to vote anyone other than myself for this poll... at the moment I'm leaning Turnip Head. I know he can be an incredibly brilliant baddie, but I have received nothing but good vibes from him so far this game. Despite that, I am not too sure how I feel about a lot of players, so this will force me to consider other options as well.
MP, what do you make of Llama being a civvie?
I think Made might be a baddie, especially since Llama ended up being civvie. I suspect Boom more, but man, it makes it harder for me to give Made the BOTD.

What do I make of it? It was a possibility I considered. I thought he was bad. I'm disappointed he wasn't. I don't know what else there is to make of it. Made could still easily be a civilian. He could also be bad.

I don't understand how Made's alignment had anything to do with Llama's. Other than a possible "save attempt", which we have no reason to believe happened here more than any other possible lynch with two main participants -- who is to say they aren't BOTH civilian and baddies bandwagoned onto both of them?

Can you explain that?

FZ. wrote:Sorry, llama Not going to say RIP because I hate when people wrongfully lynch me and then just go on like it's nothing, because it annoys the hell out of me (and yeah, I know, it's just a game). I apologize. I shouldn't have voted for you when I wasn't feeling that sure, but I didn't like the votes on Made.
To be honest, I think that if like I believe Made is a civ, then there's more chance to find baddies on his list of voters because it was easier to excuse a vote for him. I get why no one wants to give the wand to those on llama's lynch, but we all make mistakes.

I want to give the wand to TH, but I'm hesitant. I felt his actions were genuine last day, but who knows, maybe I'm wrong. I'll think about this a little more

What do you think of me? I have two votes already. TH does not. TH also is one of those votes.

#784

juliets wrote:rip llama. I became convinced that Made was not lying and that you were trying to take him down. Then when you made you comment about Mongoose really lying it furthered my bad feeling, throwing a friend under the bus to get out of a lynch. I couldn't see a civ doing that. Even with that though I should've given more thought to you both (you and Made) being civ.

I agree with FZ. that if Made is civ there are baddies on his list of voters. I also agree that TH seemed genuine yesterday defending Made and so he is a potential for me to give a vote to. Others are as well though so I'm going to think on it a little more before I vote.

Wait, what? You're lying.

juliets wrote:I also sent Epi the question and recieved an answer, and based on that answer can determine Made is a liar. I know there is an argument that says even if he lied about that he may not be bad but I just don't see it that way. Why would a civ lie about that? To get a response? What kind of response? And remember how he said he had some kind of plan if Epi screwed him (not his words but I'm pretty sure I'm paraphrasing)? I thought that was pingy when he said it. So now lets see if he comes up with a reason Epi would not tell us the truth. So, I'm going to go ahead and vote for Made and then if he comes on and defends it to the point I believe him, or something even more concrete comes out about someone else I will change my vote.

Speaking of votes, several people have named DF as someone who could be bad. I read everything he's posted which isn't much and nothing jumped out at me. What is the crux of the argument DF is a baddie? I tried to search to see exactly what people have said about him but you can't search two letters. I also tried to search 'llama' to try and understand a little more about the case against him but it said llama was a word that was too common. Ha! Common?? But anyway, whats up with the DF suspicion?

linky i see made replied so I will read his response before I vote and if there is anything that makes me back down I just won't vote

This was your LAST post before your "Rip llama" post.

#785

DH, juliets, and DFaraday need to be very closely examined, IMO.

I also do not like the fact that Dom has three votes. Why are people trusting him?

#786

Mongoose wrote:Recency mostly! I had just responded to zeek and then Dom seems Timmer is another I'd consider.

I feel so nebulous on nearly everyone. A lot of people haven't said much still. There aren't a lot of people I'd straight up oppose actually, but I'm still a nervous horse about trusting people so early on.

Wait, what? You never explained why you trust any of these people. I and Dom both asked you and you explain nothing here.

#787

Sorry for so many posts. Lol.

But I just realized that I don't know if I'll be back before the deadline or not... so I'll go ahead and vote myself. Daisy and TH have put their votes of confidence in me, so I will not waste them. I don't trust LC or Dom, nor do I trust the players who have voted for them. I don't like the fact that many players are voting without really explaining why they trust the players that they do.

#788

MovingPictures07 wrote:
juliets wrote:rip llama. I became convinced that Made was not lying and that you were trying to take him down. Then when you made you comment about Mongoose really lying it furthered my bad feeling, throwing a friend under the bus to get out of a lynch. I couldn't see a civ doing that. Even with that though I should've given more thought to you both (you and Made) being civ.

I agree with FZ. that if Made is civ there are baddies on his list of voters. I also agree that TH seemed genuine yesterday defending Made and so he is a potential for me to give a vote to. Others are as well though so I'm going to think on it a little more before I vote.
Wait, what? You're lying.

juliets wrote:I also sent Epi the question and recieved an answer, and based on that answer can determine Made is a liar. I know there is an argument that says even if he lied about that he may not be bad but I just don't see it that way. Why would a civ lie about that? To get a response? What kind of response? And remember how he said he had some kind of plan if Epi screwed him (not his words but I'm pretty sure I'm paraphrasing)? I thought that was pingy when he said it. So now lets see if he comes up with a reason Epi would not tell us the truth. So, I'm going to go ahead and vote for Made and then if he comes on and defends it to the point I believe him, or something even more concrete comes out about someone else I will change my vote.

Speaking of votes, several people have named DF as someone who could be bad. I read everything he's posted which isn't much and nothing jumped out at me. What is the crux of the argument DF is a baddie? I tried to search to see exactly what people have said about him but you can't search two letters. I also tried to search 'llama' to try and understand a little more about the case against him but it said llama was a word that was too common. Ha! Common?? But anyway, whats up with the DF suspicion?

linky i see made replied so I will read his response before I vote and if there is anything that makes me back down I just won't vote
This was your LAST post before your "Rip llama" post.

I became convinced Made was not lying by things that were said after my post including Mades defenses and TH's defending. Note in my post I said if I read Mades post and it made me pause I would not vote for him. I could not post a vote post because Dom had not posted. Also, if I remember correctly llama's post about Mongoose was also after my post (his second post about Mongoose). This is not lying this is changing one's mind. And I am not afraid of being closely looked at because I am civ, not bad or indy. Maybe Boe would like to check my statement.

#789

Dom wrote:
Made wrote:yo dom, what's your argument against boomslang btw, I'm not sure i understand it clearly. Same/similar to INH's?
I agree with INH on his recent assessment, and only waited to say anything about it because I wanted to see if INH would post at all on day 2 to see if he was silenced.

For your reading enjoyment, in reverse chronological order:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 28#p105628
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 05#p105605
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 12#p105412
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 99#p105299
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 98#p105298
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 62#p105162
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 45#p104945

I never received a response to what he meant by this:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 95#p105295

Not that it matters now.

I thought what I posted was quite obvious: Metalmarsh said something to the effect of "you'll be sorry if you lynch me," which I interpreted as threatening. In retrospect, he was warning us of regret rather than threat, so I misinterpreted that.

Also, INH, you'll notice I never called for a lynch on you. I was just concerned. Additionally, almost everyone else in the thread voted for their respective partners in the poll. You did not; as I've said before, we have to look for abnormal events to tease apart baddies and civvies in this game.

#790

FZ. wrote:Sorry, llama Not going to say RIP because I hate when people wrongfully lynch me and then just go on like it's nothing, because it annoys the hell out of me (and yeah, I know, it's just a game). I apologize. I shouldn't have voted for you when I wasn't feeling that sure, but I didn't like the votes on Made.
To be honest, I think that if like I believe Made is a civ, then there's more chance to find baddies on his list of voters because it was easier to excuse a vote for him. I get why no one wants to give the wand to those on llama's lynch, but we all make mistakes.

I want to give the wand to TH, but I'm hesitant. I felt his actions were genuine last day, but who knows, maybe I'm wrong. I'll think about this a little more

Yeah this'll go ahead and put you on the tippy top of my list.

"I'm really sorry we lynched a civvie guys, but we all make mistakes, right? Lets not look at the people who lynched a civvie and instead look waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over here."

Nah.

#791

I hate this. I don't like it one bit.

We don't know Made's alignment.

Clearly not everyone in that list of Llama voters is bad. So why punish every single one by not giving any of them your vote? This same question goes to others who have said the same sentiment. It's a BS way to blame someone else and seem like you're being civvie minded.

This pushes DH way up my list to be honest.

Of course not everyone on that list is a baddie. But, statistically, it is more likely that there is a baddie or more than one baddie within that set of voters, if (like myself) you think Made is bad and there was a save attempt...made....to protect him.

Even if I don't suspect every single one of those voters, I don't want to walk into a minefield and risk accidentally giving my vote (and potentially giving the wand) to a baddie.

#792

I'm certainly not convinced that there was a "save attempt" on Made. If we confirm that Made is bad, then I would consider looking at Llama voters, but otherwise I'm not planning on using anyone's inclusion on either voting list as evidence of baddieness.

#793

Long Con wrote:I'm certainly not convinced that there was a "save attempt" on Made. If we confirm that Made is bad, then I would consider looking at Llama voters, but otherwise I'm not planning on using anyone's inclusion on either voting list as evidence of baddieness.

that settles it, let's kill made

Busy with exam stuff atm, so i can''t read over Dom's boom argument in full atm. I'll hopefully do it tomorrow on the way to school or something

Speaking of tomorrow, for your own safety person forced to vote by hattie, don't disclose who you're forced to vote for immediately.

Alright, I'm out for a bit.

#794

DharmaHelper wrote:
I hate this. I don't like it one bit.

We don't know Made's alignment.

Clearly not everyone in that list of Llama voters is bad. So why punish every single one by not giving any of them your vote? This same question goes to others who have said the same sentiment. It's a BS way to blame someone else and seem like you're being civvie minded.

This pushes DH way up my list to be honest.
Of course not everyone on that list is a baddie. But, statistically, it is more likely that there is a baddie or more than one baddie within that set of voters, if (like myself) you think Made is bad and there was a save attempt...made....to protect him.

Even if I don't suspect every single one of those voters, I don't want to walk into a minefield and risk accidentally giving my vote (and potentially giving the wand) to a baddie.

And what about the people who did not take a stand and let their vote sit where it did not help Llama, even if it did not actively hurt him? Or the people who, regardless of llamas status, did not think Made was bad for the reasons being brought forward? You don't even know Made is bad or that there was a save.

I am giving my vote to MP.

#795

Llama was a civ and Made's alignment is unknown. I am far more comfortable voting for somebody who voted for Made purely because we know for certain they weren't trying to save a teammate.

MP, you said earlier you don't trust me. Who do you trust?

#796

Well, I would love to get the wand, so I will vote for myself. If you vote for me to receive the wand, I promise to use it to further the Civvie cause and strike down baddies, if possible.

#797

S~V~S wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
I hate this. I don't like it one bit.

We don't know Made's alignment.

Clearly not everyone in that list of Llama voters is bad. So why punish every single one by not giving any of them your vote? This same question goes to others who have said the same sentiment. It's a BS way to blame someone else and seem like you're being civvie minded.

This pushes DH way up my list to be honest.
Of course not everyone on that list is a baddie. But, statistically, it is more likely that there is a baddie or more than one baddie within that set of voters, if (like myself) you think Made is bad and there was a save attempt...made....to protect him.

Even if I don't suspect every single one of those voters, I don't want to walk into a minefield and risk accidentally giving my vote (and potentially giving the wand) to a baddie.
And what about the people who did not take a stand and let their vote sit where it did not help Llama, even if it did not actively hurt him? Or the people who, regardless of llamas status, did not think Made was bad for the reasons being brought forward? You don't even know Made is bad or that there was a save.

I am giving my vote to MP.

I don't understand your point. I dont *know* anything. But, the evidence is there to at least suggest Made was saved.

#798

So...voting or someone to get a wand is difficult for a civ. B/c if I accidentally vote for someone who is a baddie, it will surely come back to bite me in the ass. I voted Bea. I have no suspicions of her atm which makes me think she is a safe bet.

#799

DharmaHelper wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
I hate this. I don't like it one bit.

We don't know Made's alignment.

Clearly not everyone in that list of Llama voters is bad. So why punish every single one by not giving any of them your vote? This same question goes to others who have said the same sentiment. It's a BS way to blame someone else and seem like you're being civvie minded.

This pushes DH way up my list to be honest.
Of course not everyone on that list is a baddie. But, statistically, it is more likely that there is a baddie or more than one baddie within that set of voters, if (like myself) you think Made is bad and there was a save attempt...made....to protect him.

Even if I don't suspect every single one of those voters, I don't want to walk into a minefield and risk accidentally giving my vote (and potentially giving the wand) to a baddie.
And what about the people who did not take a stand and let their vote sit where it did not help Llama, even if it did not actively hurt him? Or the people who, regardless of llamas status, did not think Made was bad for the reasons being brought forward? You don't even know Made is bad or that there was a save.

I am giving my vote to MP.
I don't understand your point. I dont *know* anything. But, the evidence is there to at least suggest Made was saved.

I don't agree. While it is a possibility, it is not the only possibility. I think Made was forced to vote. What the mechanics of it were I do not know. I certainly will not exclude Llama voters from suspicion, but I will not make it the point of the suspicion either; I will not choose to distrust someone for that reason alone, as I know I am a civ, and I voted for llama myself.

#800

I'm actually surprised people haven't given SVS the wand. Out of everyone, she seems to be the safest civvie bet.

Who killed spacedaisy...I mean, of course you know. Should he die?