Se7en Mafia [GAME OVER- MAFIA WIN]

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: Dubz ] aubergine happy with both wagons atm

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Yeah my read on dubz changed

[Matahari]

@S~V~S you, Kate, and Roxy know me pretty well. While I was reading isos last night, I did stop to catch up on Silo. It’s too good to miss. And it’s true that I only sign up for these games as a favor to Kate, to help get the games started. But once I’m in, I am committed to it. And wow, this game is fantastic! It’s definitely a different spin on regular mafia games, can’t wait to find out what’s behind all the ??? at end game.

That said, my read-throughs didn’t give me any really hard suspicions like I had with Mac. Probably a good thing, because look how that turned out. But- there was a small thing that has bothered me throughout the game. That is Dubz’ assertion that Nanook could read her. He’s only flopped a bit where she is concerned. She didn’t push him on it much, which could mean a few different things good or bad. But in this game, it feels like more a case of two sins or JD and a sin, not wanting to get the other killed. Dubz saying that Nook could always read her, and him agreeing, was a very definite statement. My vote will go on Nanook, unless I see something more compelling by eod.
The people I have in my PoE are Falcon, Dubz, and Nanook. Everyone else is either town or seems townish. Falcon is like Epi, to me. I cannot ever read them and Falcon hasn’t posted much, so I have no clue about him.

[Dubz]

Sorry I disappeared again. Apparently all the moving stress made my immune system crap out so now I'm sick, which is fun.

[Dubz]

I'm looking through Dubz' ISO and I get the general feeling she's playing it safe and wants to stay UTR. She often makes a point of agreeing with players and also has lots of town reads and not many scum reads. The scum reads she did have were Dennis and Nanook which are very safe ones to have. I want to put some pressure here.

[VOTE: Dubz] aubergine

I feel like having a lot of town reads makes sense when there's minimal scum and some of those are able to authentically scumhunt.

Idk what you expect pressure to do tbh. Make me...read harder? I can only provide the thoughts that I have. I was serious when I said I'm not comfortable with the thought that JD is in my top scum reads since I'd expect that role to be more active, I just don't know who it is.

[Dubz]

Yeah my read on dubz changed

How convenient

[Michelle]

the OP says that the votes have to be posted in the thread as well as in the poll.

So despite not having the VC posted often, I will track the votes because I want to check votes intentions and how the wagons moved during D1

Spoiler: show

Searching after aubergine for the vote using the forum's feature is not enough so I will search after vote

Falcon: Tutuu P#22 > Dubz P#40 > tutuu P#70

Mac: Seanzie P#53 > Michelle P#131

Zenon: Mac P#121 > Epi P#127

tutuu: falcon P#137 > Mac P#151 > Zenon P#214

Michelle: Mac P#157

rondo: Porscha P#160

Thunal: rondo P#277

VC at P#300
Mac 1 Michelle
Michelle 1 Mac
Porscha 1 Rondo
Epi 1 Zenon
tutuu 1 Falcon
Zenon 1 tutuu
Rondo 1 Thunal

rondo: Porscha P#160 > tutuu P#301

Wilgy: tutuu P#329

Zenon: Mac P#121 > Epi P#127 > tutuu P#305 > Mac P#486

pyxxy: Wilgy P#338

Kate: Dubz P#366 > tutuu P#449

Jack: Mac P#431

Dubz: tutuu P#454

tutuu: falcon P#137 > Mac P#151 > Zenon P#214 > Zenon P#531

VC of P#600 (VC of P#592 copy pasted from the poll)

Mac 3 Michelle, Zenon, Jake
Michelle 1 Mac
tutuu 5 Falcon, Wilgy, Rondo, Kate, Dubz
Zenon 1 tutuu
Wilgy 1 pyxxy
Rondo 1 Thunal

votes only in the poll
Nanook voted for DOOM around P#445

nook doesn't vote itt usually, that's not AI for him, and also the vote was on a vanity wagon

Thunal: rondo P#277 > Dennis P#674 > tutuu P#607 Note: Thun put the 6th vote on tutuu with a case > P#808 > Michelle P#857

Epi: Kate P#696 > Mac P#812 > Michelle P#1160 > DOOM P#1168

Dennis: DOOM P#747 > Rondo P#804

rondo: Porscha P#160 > tutuu P#301 > Michelle P#875 > tutuu P#1008 > Mac P#1011 > Dennis P#1016 > Mac P#1030 > Michelle P#1065 > Matahari P#1067

tutuu: falcon P#137 > Mac P#151 > Zenon P#214 > Zenon P#531 > Michelle P#861 > Zenon P#942 > Unvote P#988 > Falcon P#1049

Zenon: Mac P#121 > Epi P#127 > tutuu P#305 > Mac P#486 > Dennis P#1015 >Epi P#1028

SVS: Michelle P#1058 > Unvote P#1177

Seanzie: Falcon P#1075

Falcon: Tutuu P#22 > Dubz P#40 > tutuu P#70 > Dennis P#1072 > Jack P#1119 > tutuu P#1134

pyxxy: Wilgy P#338 > Jack P#1102

posted by Rondo VC of P'1066
posted by pyxxy VC of P#1096

P#1086Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:49 pm
Michelle
3
16%
Voters: S~V~S , DaughterOfOmega , Thunal33

VC at Post 1200 Fri Jun 16, 2023 12:31 am - 4 hours and half before Eod
tutuu 4 Falcon, Wilgy, Kate, Dubz
Mac 2 Michelle, Jake
Michelle 2 Mac, Thunal
Falcon 2 tutuu, Seanzie
DOOM 2 Nook, Epi
Rondo 1 Dennis
Matahari 1 Rondo
Epi 1 Zenon
Jack 1 pyxxy
Unvote 1 SVS

note: maybe I made some mistakes but I tried not to, I will compare this one with the Eod wagon

This is as close I can get to the VC around P#1182 where Matahari wanted to make a decision between the 3 top wagons but with the intention openly stated to vote tutuu.
On one hand I can't blame her, tutuu gave me a hard time by the way she posted and attracted so much attention, but otoh this is a way to go with the flow and vote in the highest wagon and this doesn't look so good.

I know my wagon was previously at 4 with SVS and Epi on it and also in short time a wagon of 4 votes will pile up on DOOM after Epi voted, Rondo in P#1236 and Jack in P#1244

The dynamic of these t/t/t/t wagons is interesting, I wonder if mafia and sins had much reason to fight for a mischop when town was so eager to do their job.

Eod wagons (the order of votes is not that, but I should continue the VC thingy for it and i got tired)

DaughterOfOmega 1 Epignosis
falcon45ca 1 Seanzie
jackofhearts2005 1 pyxxy
Porscha 10 tutuu, MacDougall, RondoDimBuckle, Roxy, Zenon, Jackofhearts2005, Thunal33, Dennis, Kate, falcon45ca
Seanzie 1 NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
tutuu 7 Matahari, Porscha, DrWilgy, DaughterOfOmega, Dubz, S~V~S, Michelle

2 vanity wagons from sins and no flip in tutuu's wagon except DOOM.
this is probably the post who killed her

vote:epi

Going to post this though and taking a break.

[Dubz]

If it helps, nanook was blocked because of me

[Dubz]

the OP says that the votes have to be posted in the thread as well as in the poll.

So despite not having the VC posted often, I will track the votes because I want to check votes intentions and how the wagons moved during D1

Spoiler: show

Searching after aubergine for the vote using the forum's feature is not enough so I will search after vote

Falcon: Tutuu P#22 > Dubz P#40 > tutuu P#70

Mac: Seanzie P#53 > Michelle P#131

Zenon: Mac P#121 > Epi P#127

tutuu: falcon P#137 > Mac P#151 > Zenon P#214

Michelle: Mac P#157

rondo: Porscha P#160

Thunal: rondo P#277

VC at P#300
Mac 1 Michelle
Michelle 1 Mac
Porscha 1 Rondo
Epi 1 Zenon
tutuu 1 Falcon
Zenon 1 tutuu
Rondo 1 Thunal

rondo: Porscha P#160 > tutuu P#301

Wilgy: tutuu P#329

Zenon: Mac P#121 > Epi P#127 > tutuu P#305 > Mac P#486

pyxxy: Wilgy P#338

Kate: Dubz P#366 > tutuu P#449

Jack: Mac P#431

Dubz: tutuu P#454

tutuu: falcon P#137 > Mac P#151 > Zenon P#214 > Zenon P#531

VC of P#600 (VC of P#592 copy pasted from the poll)

Mac 3 Michelle, Zenon, Jake
Michelle 1 Mac
tutuu 5 Falcon, Wilgy, Rondo, Kate, Dubz
Zenon 1 tutuu
Wilgy 1 pyxxy
Rondo 1 Thunal

votes only in the poll
Nanook voted for DOOM around P#445

nook doesn't vote itt usually, that's not AI for him, and also the vote was on a vanity wagon

Thunal: rondo P#277 > Dennis P#674 > tutuu P#607 Note: Thun put the 6th vote on tutuu with a case > P#808 > Michelle P#857

Epi: Kate P#696 > Mac P#812 > Michelle P#1160 > DOOM P#1168

Dennis: DOOM P#747 > Rondo P#804

rondo: Porscha P#160 > tutuu P#301 > Michelle P#875 > tutuu P#1008 > Mac P#1011 > Dennis P#1016 > Mac P#1030 > Michelle P#1065 > Matahari P#1067

tutuu: falcon P#137 > Mac P#151 > Zenon P#214 > Zenon P#531 > Michelle P#861 > Zenon P#942 > Unvote P#988 > Falcon P#1049

Zenon: Mac P#121 > Epi P#127 > tutuu P#305 > Mac P#486 > Dennis P#1015 >Epi P#1028

SVS: Michelle P#1058 > Unvote P#1177

Seanzie: Falcon P#1075

Falcon: Tutuu P#22 > Dubz P#40 > tutuu P#70 > Dennis P#1072 > Jack P#1119 > tutuu P#1134

pyxxy: Wilgy P#338 > Jack P#1102

posted by Rondo VC of P'1066
posted by pyxxy VC of P#1096

P#1086Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:49 pm
Michelle
3
16%
Voters: S~V~S , DaughterOfOmega , Thunal33

VC at Post 1200 Fri Jun 16, 2023 12:31 am - 4 hours and half before Eod
tutuu 4 Falcon, Wilgy, Kate, Dubz
Mac 2 Michelle, Jake
Michelle 2 Mac, Thunal
Falcon 2 tutuu, Seanzie
DOOM 2 Nook, Epi
Rondo 1 Dennis
Matahari 1 Rondo
Epi 1 Zenon
Jack 1 pyxxy
Unvote 1 SVS

note: maybe I made some mistakes but I tried not to, I will compare this one with the Eod wagon

This is as close I can get to the VC around P#1182 where Matahari wanted to make a decision between the 3 top wagons but with the intention openly stated to vote tutuu.
On one hand I can't blame her, tutuu gave me a hard time by the way she posted and attracted so much attention, but otoh this is a way to go with the flow and vote in the highest wagon and this doesn't look so good.

I know my wagon was previously at 4 with SVS and Epi on it and also in short time a wagon of 4 votes will pile up on DOOM after Epi voted, Rondo in P#1236 and Jack in P#1244

The dynamic of these t/t/t/t wagons is interesting, I wonder if mafia and sins had much reason to fight for a mischop when town was so eager to do their job.

Eod wagons (the order of votes is not that, but I should continue the VC thingy for it and i got tired)

DaughterOfOmega 1 Epignosis
falcon45ca 1 Seanzie
jackofhearts2005 1 pyxxy
Porscha 10 tutuu, MacDougall, RondoDimBuckle, Roxy, Zenon, Jackofhearts2005, Thunal33, Dennis, Kate, falcon45ca
Seanzie 1 NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
tutuu 7 Matahari, Porscha, DrWilgy, DaughterOfOmega, Dubz, S~V~S, Michelle

2 vanity wagons from sins and no flip in tutuu's wagon except DOOM.
this is probably the post who killed her

vote:epi

Going to post this though and taking a break.

Clarifying, you think DOOM died because she voted for Epi?

[Dubz]

Vibe, Mata has been doing things Dubz has been existing.

Okay this and your post about me doing "nothing but ATE" actually pisses me off after I spent a ton of time ISOing people and trying to get reads on everyone, and engaging with people while I could be here.

What exactly has Mata done, at all, except push villagers on the rare occasions when she actually gave reads, and talk about mechanics? Like, if Mata has been doing town-indicative things it certainly hasn't been on the thread.

[Dubz]

Second, whomever blocked me last night, youre a salty bitch

Sorry not sorry

[Michelle]

Clarifying, you think DOOM died because she voted for Epi?

I am not sure but this is a possibility, otherwise why she died N1?

[Dubz]

Clarifying, you think DOOM died because she voted for Epi?

I am not sure but this is a possibility, otherwise why she died N1?

Unsure
Deaths in general but (especially n1 deaths because they're sometimes kinda random) are always a crapshoot to analyze for me, especially without knowing anyone's metas

I was just wondering because it would imply JD does know the identities of the sins, if the goal was to protect Epi.

[Michelle]

Clarifying, you think DOOM died because she voted for Epi?

I am not sure but this is a possibility, otherwise why she died N1?

Unsure
Deaths in general but (especially n1 deaths because they're sometimes kinda random) are always a crapshoot to analyze for me, especially without knowing anyone's metas

I was just wondering because it would imply JD does know the identities of the sins, if the goal was to protect Epi.

I am quite sure of it.
Mafia has to be informed.

[Michelle]

Second, whomever blocked me last night, youre a salty bitch

Sorry not sorry

who you blocked the other nights?

[Dubz]

Mata has had some points where they have said things and I just nod and say "yep that follows and it feels like they have thought that through and believe it"

Honestly I had thought similar about Mata at different points, especially when she talked about Mac being JD. If she knows or thinks Mac is town, that's a fight that's incredibly stacked in Mac's favor and imo not something evil Mata would try to instigate. It's quite possible Mata is evil that genuinely thought Mac was bad but I think it lowers the odds somewhat.

Eh I'd read attempts to undermine town leadership as pretty scummy, there was definitely some paranoia floating around about him and her post misrepresented events just slightly as well. Whereas I would expect town making that push to have actually investigated the sequence of events and realized that Mac posted about the tracking before Sean revealed his info.

[Dubz]

Second, whomever blocked me last night, youre a salty bitch

Sorry not sorry

who you blocked the other nights?

It's not exactly that simple, but I would have blocked tutuu n2

[Dubz]

Nook is easily a sin, but because of all the talk about him being a sin d3 it is unlikely he is JD today IF mac was right about the switching of JD

Is this a serious consideration? Like did I miss something where we have evidence to suggest that this is happening?

[Dubz]

Oh, I should also say that there were times where I felt like Kate thought I was John Doe, and just not wanting to out that until she was actually recruited to my faction.

Kate implied the sins knew each other but Sean ssys here they didn't know who JD is

If the sins knew each other, wouldn't Kate have known Sean was NOT one?

This kinda goes back to your post here too:

Unrelated and condensing posts because I have a post limit

i suppose my poe sans kate and dennis is

wilgy
rondo
nook
thunal
falcon

Tutuu's Poe

i suppose my poe sans kate and dennis is

wilgy
rondo
nook
thunal
falcon

Kate's reaction

What do you think about this reaction @ everyone?

I'm not sure that there's much to glean here if sins are uninformed, like they seem to be.

[Matahari]

Mata has had some points where they have said things and I just nod and say "yep that follows and it feels like they have thought that through and believe it"

Honestly I had thought similar about Mata at different points, especially when she talked about Mac being JD. If she knows or thinks Mac is town, that's a fight that's incredibly stacked in Mac's favor and imo not something evil Mata would try to instigate. It's quite possible Mata is evil that genuinely thought Mac was bad but I think it lowers the odds somewhat.

Eh I'd read attempts to undermine town leadership as pretty scummy, there was definitely some paranoia floating around about him and her post misrepresented events just slightly as well. Whereas I would expect town making that push to have actually investigated the sequence of events and realized that Mac posted about the tracking before Sean revealed his info.

The fact that Mac said he tracked Kate to Dennis before Sean volunteered his info, and then Mac seemed very perturbed afterwards is what made me more suspicious of Mac. I posted again about this, because I wanted to know where Mac was going with it. Was he going to ask what Kate happened? Or was he going to ask what her thoughts on Dennis were? Why was it so important to out himself so soon in the game, just to say he tracked Kate to Dennis. Then Sean joined him which was actually good news, but Mac seemed to be angry over it.
I was surprised that no one else wondered where Mac was going with his role outing.

[Michelle]

Oh, I should also say that there were times where I felt like Kate thought I was John Doe, and just not wanting to out that until she was actually recruited to my faction.

Kate implied the sins knew each other but Sean ssys here they didn't know who JD is

If the sins knew each other, wouldn't Kate have known Sean was NOT one?

This kinda goes back to your post here too:

Unrelated and condensing posts because I have a post limit

i suppose my poe sans kate and dennis is

wilgy
rondo
nook
thunal
falcon

Tutuu's Poe

i suppose my poe sans kate and dennis is

wilgy
rondo
nook
thunal
falcon

Kate's reaction

What do you think about this reaction @ everyone?

I'm not sure that there's much to glean here if sins are uninformed, like they seem to be.

My theory is that Kate thought Sean is JD

[Dubz]

Mata has had some points where they have said things and I just nod and say "yep that follows and it feels like they have thought that through and believe it"

Honestly I had thought similar about Mata at different points, especially when she talked about Mac being JD. If she knows or thinks Mac is town, that's a fight that's incredibly stacked in Mac's favor and imo not something evil Mata would try to instigate. It's quite possible Mata is evil that genuinely thought Mac was bad but I think it lowers the odds somewhat.

Eh I'd read attempts to undermine town leadership as pretty scummy, there was definitely some paranoia floating around about him and her post misrepresented events just slightly as well. Whereas I would expect town making that push to have actually investigated the sequence of events and realized that Mac posted about the tracking before Sean revealed his info.

The fact that Mac said he tracked Kate to Dennis before Sean volunteered his info, and then Mac seemed very perturbed afterwards is what made me more suspicious of Mac. I posted again about this, because I wanted to know where Mac was going with it. Was he going to ask what Kate happened? Or was he going to ask what her thoughts on Dennis were? Why was it so important to out himself so soon in the game, just to say he tracked Kate to Dennis. Then Sean joined him which was actually good news, but Mac seemed to be angry over it.
I was surprised that no one else wondered where Mac was going with his role outing.

I'll have to go back and look at that sequence of events in context again to see if this seems like a reasonable perspective.

Do you have reads currently?

[Dubz]

Oh, I should also say that there were times where I felt like Kate thought I was John Doe, and just not wanting to out that until she was actually recruited to my faction.

Kate implied the sins knew each other but Sean ssys here they didn't know who JD is

If the sins knew each other, wouldn't Kate have known Sean was NOT one?

This kinda goes back to your post here too:

Unrelated and condensing posts because I have a post limit

i suppose my poe sans kate and dennis is

wilgy
rondo
nook
thunal
falcon

Tutuu's Poe

i suppose my poe sans kate and dennis is

wilgy
rondo
nook
thunal
falcon

Kate's reaction

What do you think about this reaction @ everyone?

I'm not sure that there's much to glean here if sins are uninformed, like they seem to be.

My theory is that Kate thought Sean is JD

Hmmm okay I see waht you're saying - would sort of confirm sins don't know who JD is, but I've been operating under that assumption anyway.

Still don't really think we can glean much from Kate's edit on tutuu's POE though.

[Michelle]

What's your Poe Dubz?


If I stop posting means I fell asleep

[Dubz]

What's your Poe Dubz?


If I stop posting means I fell asleep

Nook, SVS, Mata for sins. I don't really think JD is in those (don't ask me why, it's just an intuition), I think I've been wrong on either thunal or falcon after town reading them d1, but I don't know which yet.

[Dubz]

It's really hard to be like "Oh no my towncore is leading me astray, time to flip my reads!" OR "Hey the towncore is good, we're killing it!" when the last two votes have been gifts presented by now-dead townies. Like there's little way for me to evaluate whether I've been on the right track or not with the people who are still alive, which is a horrible feeling at this stage of the game.

I am hoping only one recruitment is possible each night though I'm not sure if there's evidence to support that, so maybe just wishful thinking? Anyway if that's the case then we should be at 5-2-1-1. Of course worst case scenario is 5-4 but idk that I have the mental capacity to accept that reality.

[Dubz]

[VOTE: nanook ] aubergine
Catching up

I do have a thought about some d1 stuff that I need to come back to though

Neat I caught back up to myself

Speaking of thunal and falcon and d1 stuff

It's a thing on SDN that one wolf manages to pocket me on d1 by throwing a village read my direction. Or, used to, but now I'm hyperaware of it, so being village read early gets my hackles up. I didn't think much of it here (though gave a nod to it when I joked about jumping in thunal's pocket) because I'm not gonna have as much influence as I have in a game on SDN, and there's just not much of a reason to pocket me. I'm like, not dangerous here lol

But I was thinking back on falcon and thunal's initial reactions to me, and my feeling that I probably gave a town read to a sneaky scum, and I feel like it's somewhere in there. Falcon is interesting because he initially said I was playing the same as I played when I was scum in the art game, but then backed off after minimal effort on my part. Thunal on the other hand pretty quickly gave me a townlean, supported me against falcon's read, and then didn't bring me up again until today as far as I saw. Falcon I don't think has mentioned me again at all unless I missed it.

If I OMGUS it the more suspect one would be thunal for turning on me. It is interesting and frustrating again to see someone deciding that I have more scum equity than Mata does. If you look at the reads I posted during d3, I had a 6 person POE. Thunal left out that I had Mata and Jack as wolf leans at the time, and still had Epi and SVS in neutral. So I didn't have a 2 person POE like she implied here.

I'm looking through Dubz' ISO and I get the general feeling she's playing it safe and wants to stay UTR. She often makes a point of agreeing with players and also has lots of town reads and not many scum reads. The scum reads she did have were Dennis and Nanook which are very safe ones to have. I want to put some pressure here.

[VOTE: Dubz] aubergine

[Dubz]

I have rondo as >rand town*, thun and Falcon >rand town

Michelle and dubz >rand mafia

Zero meaningful opinion on mata/svs/wilgy


*I'm actually surprised he's voting me regardless of his alignment bit that's another story

Hmm so much for your reading card

If I'm wrong this game doesn't count cause it's on ts and I'm not paying attention

Weaksauce and I'm gonna demand you change your SDN avatar anyway

[Dubz]

I mean, if you've already got 3 outta 5 decided as Town, game should be a snap.





This town core is infected with Maf

While I don't think I'm completely wrong about who I townread, I did get the thought that there's not much push to change the gamestate with what we think will be a Nanook chop. I think if the baddies really needed the gamestate to be different (like if Nanook were JD) there would be more of a push against it.

What if it's only JD and 1 converted sin at this point though?

If the other two scum are unconverted sins, they wouldn't have any reason to push back against a Nanook chop.

Also, killing JD doesn't like, end the game for mafia as long as there's at least one other mafia, does it? Yes would make things harder since I assume recruitment wouldn't happen anymore (though maybe I'm wrong on that, I can think of ways to design the game where it would still be possible). But the only case where I would expect strong pushback against a Nanook chop even if he is JD would be if all 4 remaining non-village are now mafia.

[Matahari]

@Dubz yes, I had posted them in 2 different posts. I don’t know how to multi-quote, so this is where I’m at: probably town: SVS, Wilgy, Rondo
Seem townish: Thunal, Michelle
PoE: Falcon, Dubz, and Nanook, because I can’t really read Falcon, and haven’t cared for the way Nanook wouldn’t come out for or against you during the game but also felt like both of you might be sins, and treading lightly around each other.
[VOTE: nanook] aubergine while I’m here.

[Dubz]

If the mafia numbers are smaller than that it would just be outting, unless they're about to kill 4 people again

(which, in that case, RIP lol)

[Dubz]

@Dubz yes, I had posted them in 2 different posts. I don’t know how to multi-quote, so this is where I’m at: probably town: SVS, Wilgy, Rondo
Seem townish: Thunal, Michelle
PoE: Falcon, Dubz, and Nanook, because I can’t really read Falcon, and haven’t cared for the way Nanook wouldn’t come out for or against you during the game but also felt like both of you might be sins, and treading lightly around each other.
[VOTE: nanook] aubergine while I’m here.

Can you explain why we would tread lightly around each other when it seems that sins don't know each other's identities? Or how saying I am treading lightly makes sense when I've been voting for him for 2 days?

And he very clearly called me town d1 and then changed his read today. So he has come out both for and against me, but he hasn't hedged as far as I'm aware.

(Edited to remove redundant statement)

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Yeah my read on dubz changed

How convenient

People are allowed to change their reads lol

[Dubz]

Yeah my read on dubz changed

How convenient

People are allowed to change their reads lol

Generally, yes. In this case? I find it highly suspect that your read on me actually changed.

[Thunal33]

I'm looking through Dubz' ISO and I get the general feeling she's playing it safe and wants to stay UTR. She often makes a point of agreeing with players and also has lots of town reads and not many scum reads. The scum reads she did have were Dennis and Nanook which are very safe ones to have. I want to put some pressure here.

[VOTE: Dubz] aubergine

I feel like having a lot of town reads makes sense when there's minimal scum and some of those are able to authentically scumhunt.

Idk what you expect pressure to do tbh. Make me...read harder? I can only provide the thoughts that I have. I was serious when I said I'm not comfortable with the thought that JD is in my top scum reads since I'd expect that role to be more active, I just don't know who it is.

A lot of it was a gamestate thing. I felt like a lot of people were complacent with the gamestate yesterday, I thought you were a potential JD, and I wanted to see how my PoE would react to a wagon on you.

[Thunal33]

I’m still gone for a bit and not sure how reliable my service will be. I thought of the possibility that someone else could have carried Nanook’s kill or kills if Nanook were JD and he had teammates. I was debating to myself away from the thread whether it’s more important to kill someone with a lower chance of being bad and a higher chance of being JD or the highest chance of being bad at all and I think the second is more important. We really don’t want to hit town.

[Thunal33]

I mean, if you've already got 3 outta 5 decided as Town, game should be a snap.





This town core is infected with Maf

While I don't think I'm completely wrong about who I townread, I did get the thought that there's not much push to change the gamestate with what we think will be a Nanook chop. I think if the baddies really needed the gamestate to be different (like if Nanook were JD) there would be more of a push against it.

What if it's only JD and 1 converted sin at this point though?

If the other two scum are unconverted sins, they wouldn't have any reason to push back against a Nanook chop.

Also, killing JD doesn't like, end the game for mafia as long as there's at least one other mafia, does it? Yes would make things harder since I assume recruitment wouldn't happen anymore (though maybe I'm wrong on that, I can think of ways to design the game where it would still be possible). But the only case where I would expect strong pushback against a Nanook chop even if he is JD would be if all 4 remaining non-village are now mafia.

I’d think there would be pushback with 2 converts as well, but only one convert or no converts is definitely possible and there’s no way to know. It’s also possible one or more unconverted sins know JD’s identity.

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: nanook ] aubergine
Catching up

I do have a thought about some d1 stuff that I need to come back to though

Neat I caught back up to myself

Speaking of thunal and falcon and d1 stuff

It's a thing on SDN that one wolf manages to pocket me on d1 by throwing a village read my direction. Or, used to, but now I'm hyperaware of it, so being village read early gets my hackles up. I didn't think much of it here (though gave a nod to it when I joked about jumping in thunal's pocket) because I'm not gonna have as much influence as I have in a game on SDN, and there's just not much of a reason to pocket me. I'm like, not dangerous here lol

But I was thinking back on falcon and thunal's initial reactions to me, and my feeling that I probably gave a town read to a sneaky scum, and I feel like it's somewhere in there. Falcon is interesting because he initially said I was playing the same as I played when I was scum in the art game, but then backed off after minimal effort on my part. Thunal on the other hand pretty quickly gave me a townlean, supported me against falcon's read, and then didn't bring me up again until today as far as I saw. Falcon I don't think has mentioned me again at all unless I missed it.

If I OMGUS it the more suspect one would be thunal for turning on me. It is interesting and frustrating again to see someone deciding that I have more scum equity than Mata does. If you look at the reads I posted during d3, I had a 6 person POE. Thunal left out that I had Mata and Jack as wolf leans at the time, and still had Epi and SVS in neutral. So I didn't have a 2 person POE like she implied here.

I'm looking through Dubz' ISO and I get the general feeling she's playing it safe and wants to stay UTR. She often makes a point of agreeing with players and also has lots of town reads and not many scum reads. The scum reads she did have were Dennis and Nanook which are very safe ones to have. I want to put some pressure here.

[VOTE: Dubz] aubergine

I was thinking of stronger reads/pushes when I said that. Why was Falcon in your towncore in the first place?

[Dubz]

[VOTE: nanook ] aubergine
Catching up

I do have a thought about some d1 stuff that I need to come back to though

Neat I caught back up to myself

Speaking of thunal and falcon and d1 stuff

It's a thing on SDN that one wolf manages to pocket me on d1 by throwing a village read my direction. Or, used to, but now I'm hyperaware of it, so being village read early gets my hackles up. I didn't think much of it here (though gave a nod to it when I joked about jumping in thunal's pocket) because I'm not gonna have as much influence as I have in a game on SDN, and there's just not much of a reason to pocket me. I'm like, not dangerous here lol

But I was thinking back on falcon and thunal's initial reactions to me, and my feeling that I probably gave a town read to a sneaky scum, and I feel like it's somewhere in there. Falcon is interesting because he initially said I was playing the same as I played when I was scum in the art game, but then backed off after minimal effort on my part. Thunal on the other hand pretty quickly gave me a townlean, supported me against falcon's read, and then didn't bring me up again until today as far as I saw. Falcon I don't think has mentioned me again at all unless I missed it.

If I OMGUS it the more suspect one would be thunal for turning on me. It is interesting and frustrating again to see someone deciding that I have more scum equity than Mata does. If you look at the reads I posted during d3, I had a 6 person POE. Thunal left out that I had Mata and Jack as wolf leans at the time, and still had Epi and SVS in neutral. So I didn't have a 2 person POE like she implied here.

I'm looking through Dubz' ISO and I get the general feeling she's playing it safe and wants to stay UTR. She often makes a point of agreeing with players and also has lots of town reads and not many scum reads. The scum reads she did have were Dennis and Nanook which are very safe ones to have. I want to put some pressure here.

[VOTE: Dubz] aubergine

I was thinking of stronger reads/pushes when I said that. Why was Falcon in your towncore in the first place?

I just felt like he approached the thread in a very relaxed kind of way and was open with giving his reads when he was around. Like there was a natural flow to his content that I tend to associate with a village mindset.
I also really felt like if scum!falcon saw me as a misyeet option it would have been easy enough to continue to push there rather than backing off.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I have rondo as >rand town*, thun and Falcon >rand town

Michelle and dubz >rand mafia

Zero meaningful opinion on mata/svs/wilgy


*I'm actually surprised he's voting me regardless of his alignment bit that's another story

Hmm so much for your reading card

If I'm wrong this game doesn't count cause it's on ts and I'm not paying attention

Weaksauce and I'm gonna demand you change your SDN avatar anyway

Literally never

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Yeah my read on dubz changed

How convenient

People are allowed to change their reads lol

Generally, yes. In this case? I find it highly suspect that your read on me actually changed.

It's been days since I made the initial read

You'll also note that I left you out of my townreads in between

[Dubz]

I have rondo as >rand town*, thun and Falcon >rand town

Michelle and dubz >rand mafia

Zero meaningful opinion on mata/svs/wilgy


*I'm actually surprised he's voting me regardless of his alignment bit that's another story

Hmm so much for your reading card

If I'm wrong this game doesn't count cause it's on ts and I'm not paying attention

Weaksauce and I'm gonna demand you change your SDN avatar anyway

Literally never

You're lucky I only use my moderator powers for good

Yeah my read on dubz changed

How convenient

People are allowed to change their reads lol

Generally, yes. In this case? I find it highly suspect that your read on me actually changed.

It's been days since I made the initial read

You'll also note that I left you out of my townreads in between

It doesn't really matter to me when the read changed

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It should tbh

[DrWilgy]

I have decided to make the wagons closer

[VOTE: Dubz] aubergine

[Dubz]

It should tbh

The options are
1) It changed while I was absent from the thread
2) It changed after you started getting pressured

Those both would fall under the convenient umbrella imo. I haven't seen you say anything about why it changed either.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I have decided to make the wagons closer

[VOTE: Dubz] aubergine

Falcon flash wagon
[VOTE: Falcon ] aubergine

[Michelle]

Rondo can you link me your claim pls?
I know you had some almost clears but I forgot who

[Michelle]

Rondo can you link me your claim pls?
I know you had some almost clears but I forgot who

@RondoDimBuckle

[Thunal33]

@S~V~S are there any Kate reads you thought might be genuine ones? Kate hadn't joined the mafia team when she died so she might have made some real uninformed reads but it's hard to tell what those were.

[Thunal33]

Sorry I disappeared again. Apparently all the moving stress made my immune system crap out so now I'm sick, which is fun.

I hope you feel better soon!