Don't Starve Mafia [ENDGAME]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Vote Scotty

I am not happy with the 2 options right now for voting on Vivax or scotty.
I know how vivax is playing es mafia. I played with him when he was mafia and also were reading old games from him as m, but here he don´t write or act like mafia, so i wouldn´t vote on him atm. Vivax don´t think you are save from me i will think about every future post you make in every possible way...
Scotty looks like strong gamer. We could lose strong Town or bad mafia. I still see him more as townie than mafia

Considering dissociating these two just for this (if I assume Rico to be mafia for the sake of the exercise, this looks like TMI instead of protection). It's only one post, but I have a feeling I am going to have to barrel-scrape for some of these analyses.

[Lime Coke]

meatbaby / Lime Coke interaction is a bit tough -- meatbaby never mentioned LC, and LC hasn't done much with meatbaby lately (consistent town read), but he did vote meatbaby earlier on Day 1 and seemed content to sit there until meatbaby's charged interaction with tutuu. I welcome other eyes on the dynamic between those two; for now I am calling it "technically compatible" but nothing more.

I mean she's rarely been online at the same time I've been online so I just have the stuff to go off of when I read through them.

Really been townreading them off the Tutuu stuff Day 1 and following legacies that have also townread them.

If they happen to be mafia then kinda just "ew" because of the Day 1 stuff I mentioned already.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Green Mushroom ] aubergine

Good morning everybody
I think for now on I have to stay up till middle of the night, because all I can choose is Food and Food.
[VOTE: green mushroom]

Why do you town read vivax?

Where tf did I town read vivax with my first and only Post? After my coffee I have to inform myself better about the items. Never played like this. Right now I Townread nobody and mafia read nobody. Still need some more posts here to get better opinions. Why do you town read yourself?

Because I am town why don't you town read me?

lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

meatbaby / Lime Coke interaction is a bit tough -- meatbaby never mentioned LC, and LC hasn't done much with meatbaby lately (consistent town read), but he did vote meatbaby earlier on Day 1 and seemed content to sit there until meatbaby's charged interaction with tutuu. I welcome other eyes on the dynamic between those two; for now I am calling it "technically compatible" but nothing more.

I mean she's rarely been online at the same time I've been online so I just have the stuff to go off of when I read through them.

Really been townreading them off the Tutuu stuff Day 1 and following legacies that have also townread them.

If they happen to be mafia then kinda just "ew" because of the Day 1 stuff I mentioned already.

I grant that assessing meatbaby is not a read that lends itself to thorough development, just given vibes and their activity

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Spoiler: show

Why do you need tutuu to advance your reads?

Hearing other people's perspectives is useful. Especially if I've missed something.

Completely separate sidenote, why do people keep presuming that when I do something I need to do it? Like seriously, I could be doing something just because its one of the ways it can be done smh.

I have no idea where I got that idea from

not the same as "I need tutuu to help me otherwise I can't advance my reads"

and if that were true my demeanor toward them would be applying more social pressure to get something out of it

its true though I need to advance my reads, make them better and ect, and I thought asking Tutuu would be a good step towards that.

Well, I'm sure you can see why I said what I said re: needing tutuu to advance your read...you seem a touch defensive about it, may I ask why?




Have you been accused lately of needing when you were just...I dunno, wanting?

Yeah, I understand, but I'm a bit assertive about it because I have to for my own sake.

The short of it is that I have cognitive behaviors which can be preety self-critical. If what I've done didn't achieve much + its perceived as like the only or among the very few things I was capable of then that leads to a not very good evaluation of myself as a player (or, taken more severely, as a person).

I think only 1-2 people have said something like that before, and I was able to brush it off, but since it happened again I wanted to be a bit more clear about it. Its not really a you issue, your issue, or anyone else's issue. It's just my issue and I had to point it out in the form of mild frustration before my personal issues become a thing. You can see I also try to play it off as semi-funny or whatever in my post after pointing it out.

I've always had this sort of problem though, and the fact that I'm being more vocal about it (instead of almost never mentioning it like in the past) is actually a good thing. It means I'm acknowledging the potential BS that I give myself can be, well, BS and doesn't deserve any consideration. It's healthier, I think.

Whoa whoa whoa...we're unpacking a bunch of stuff that, while you might feel, is not at all what I intended.





I'm just trying to understand your thought process more, and this has helped me get an idea of what you meant.





Talk to me about your vote, and why I can't see it posted ITT. Did you post it and I've missed it?

This material isn't exactly emotionally charged, but I still think it looks dissociated between falcon and Martin.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

wilgy falcon motobot is my immediate poe

i personally found some towny pings in wilgy. some found towny pings in falcon. i dont think anyone townreads motobot

I feel like falcon has been pretty darn towny

why

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Scotty
5
22%

Voters: Ricochet, DrWilgy, Vivax, die_meatbaby, falcon45ca

[VOTE: scotty] aubergine

less insightful than the other "so bad it's good" I brought up before

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Maybe a dumb read, but I'm not sure falcon cliff notes his mafia teammate's case like this. I won't act on that assumption, because who the hell knows. It's a gut read.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This bit between Seanzie and falcon doesn't look teamed. If I assume falcon to be mafia, then his initial reception of Seanzie looks more like a pocket (as Martin also suggested in that quote tree), and Seanzie's response is indignant and separated.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

falcon more or less fits with everyone outside Martin and Seanzie. Again that might be a reflection of his activity level. It's still important to note though since the other players being assessed relative to [insert lower-posting player here] generally have more posts and more opportunities to leave an impression.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I've covered about half the cells in the associations chart. I have fewer dissociations than I would like so far, and I really hope that changes once I get into more players with more volume. If we cannot isolate teammates (and/or non-teammates) now, it's going to be very hard to win the game given where the numbers likely sit.

I will continue in a bit. If there are questions or arguments, please air them so that I can address them as I work.

[Ricochet]

Morning.

I missed out on half the items.

[VOTE: Tooth Trap] aubergine

Well isn't this grand.

[VOTE: Rico] aubergine

Dude's been a wagon every day, and it gets outvoted at EoD. I gotta look back at Scotty/Vivax and Creature/Wilgy wagons.

If you wouldn't wagon me for one 8am catchup post that took an hour to write and had the "it's a sprawling catchup post you guys" disclaimer right in the first paragraph and had some (less or more minor) impressions out of which I never intended or claimed or beat my chest to obtain and provied full reads but you so demanded at every step that I was supposed to have obtained and provided full reads and if two-three players wouldn't have jumped on your wagon each time, with even less substantiated demands than yours (or just sheeping you), I wouldn't be a wagon every day.

I’m gonna review every single association left in this game

What's this association thingy you are trying to do? It's Day 3 and there is no mafia/3p flip, what's to associate?

[Ricochet]

This is the second Day in which nobody creates the Flint & Wood combo to gain a mafiakill protection. In this instance, Lime.

Town reasoning: I have more lynch heat than mafkill heat on me, not at risk.

Mafia reasoning: I don't need mafkill protection, i'm maf duh.

NAI reasoning: I don't pay attention.

[Lime Coke]

Morning.

I missed out on half the items.

[VOTE: Tooth Trap] aubergine

Well isn't this grand.

[VOTE: Rico] aubergine

Dude's been a wagon every day, and it gets outvoted at EoD. I gotta look back at Scotty/Vivax and Creature/Wilgy wagons.

If you wouldn't wagon me for one 8am catchup post that took an hour to write and had the "it's a sprawling catchup post you guys" disclaimer right in the first paragraph and had some (less or more minor) impressions out of which I never intended or claimed or beat my chest to obtain and provied full reads but you so demanded at every step that I was supposed to have obtained and provided full reads and if two-three players wouldn't have jumped on your wagon each time, with even less substantiated demands than yours (or just sheeping you), I wouldn't be a wagon every day.

I’m gonna review every single association left in this game

What's this association thingy you are trying to do? It's Day 3 and there is no mafia/3p flip, what's to associate?

Okay ew this post makes me think you could be mafia. Way too LAMIST.

[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine

[Lime Coke]

Like I'm trying to back off and step away and try to figure out why I'm still alive whilst tunneling you but I really can't do so when I see things like that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What's this association thingy you are trying to do? It's Day 3 and there is no mafia/3p flip, what's to associate?

It may be clearer when I post the chart. Assessing two-way associations can help to build a more complete theory of the game (e.g., complete or partial team theories) or more commonly clear players that didn't seem clear before (because they fit with nearly nobody else). With a pile of dead civilians and no mafia, I think it becomes critical to work with more than just individual theories and hope they pan out -- so I am looking for a more holistic view.

It doesn't always work out, but it's best I've got right now.

[Ricochet]

if two-three players wouldn't have jumped on your wagon each time, with even less substantiated demands than yours (or just sheeping you)

lol. case in point.

Like I'm trying to back off and step away and try to figure out why I'm still alive whilst tunneling you but I really can't do so when I see things like that.

Try harder.

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Ugh.

[Ricochet]

[VOTE: Mint Chocolate Chip Ice Cream] aubergine

[Lime Coke]

Heading to sleep if anyone has questions for me please ask I'll try to answer when I get up.

[Ricochet]

Heading to sleep if anyone has questions for me please ask I'll try to answer when I get up.

Why are you mafia? Any regrets? Concede, please?

[Belzy]

[VOTE: jjj] aubergine

[Belzy]

Imo eod2 creature and wilgy looked very towny. Jjj didnt got there, and lynched town twice. Also Sean usually looks better with his votes.

[Belzy]

[VOTE: deviled eggs] aubergine

[Ricochet]

Not sure how much you can make out of EOD2 which resorted to a coordinated lynch, with odds of a vengeful hit on wolf.

Counter-wagon also town.

It's at the very least possible wolves stayed off or didn't jump (or didn't jump late) on the Creature wagon or didn't prove too shifty in their vote intention.

You voted late and outside wagons. Why?

[Belzy]

Not sure how much you can make out of EOD2 which resorted to a coordinated lynch, with odds of a vengeful hit on wolf.

Counter-wagon also town.

It's at the very least possible wolves stayed off or didn't jump (or didn't jump late) on the Creature wagon or didn't prove too shifty in their vote intention.

You voted late and outside wagons. Why?

Creature's eod2 was extremely town, Wilgy's too. Ppl didn't decide to go elsewhere instead, that includes jjj. Imo we should have cfd elsewhere. Me and martin tried motobot.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Not sure how much you can make out of EOD2 which resorted to a coordinated lynch, with odds of a vengeful hit on wolf.

Counter-wagon also town.

It's at the very least possible wolves stayed off or didn't jump (or didn't jump late) on the Creature wagon or didn't prove too shifty in their vote intention.

You voted late and outside wagons. Why?

Creature's eod2 was extremely town, Wilgy's too. Ppl didn't decide to go elsewhere instead, that includes jjj. Imo we should have cfd elsewhere. Me and martin tried motobot.

What did Wilgy do that you found town?

[Ricochet]

Not sure how much you can make out of EOD2 which resorted to a coordinated lynch, with odds of a vengeful hit on wolf.

Counter-wagon also town.

It's at the very least possible wolves stayed off or didn't jump (or didn't jump late) on the Creature wagon or didn't prove too shifty in their vote intention.

You voted late and outside wagons. Why?

Creature's eod2 was extremely town, Wilgy's too. Ppl didn't decide to go elsewhere instead, that includes jjj. Imo we should have cfd elsewhere. Me and martin tried motobot.

I can’t say I notice your EOD effort to have been this steadfast and vocal (“extremely”, “let’s CFD”).

[Ricochet]

My vote change does nothing but silence? Are we having two town wagons here?

Can you clarify what you meant that your vote “did nothing but silence”?

[Belzy]

Not sure how much you can make out of EOD2 which resorted to a coordinated lynch, with odds of a vengeful hit on wolf.

Counter-wagon also town.

It's at the very least possible wolves stayed off or didn't jump (or didn't jump late) on the Creature wagon or didn't prove too shifty in their vote intention.

You voted late and outside wagons. Why?

Creature's eod2 was extremely town, Wilgy's too. Ppl didn't decide to go elsewhere instead, that includes jjj. Imo we should have cfd elsewhere. Me and martin tried motobot.

What did Wilgy do that you found town?

Being all suicidy.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Being all suicidy.

Why is that town instead of total wifom?

[Belzy]

Being all suicidy.

Why is that town instead of total wifom?

That's the question. One I asked myself when seeing it. After deciding Creature's eod2 is town, I concluded the same regarding Wilg. What were your eod2 conclusion tegarding these two?

[Belzy]

Conclusions regarding these two?*

[Belzy]

Not sure how much you can make out of EOD2 which resorted to a coordinated lynch, with odds of a vengeful hit on wolf.

Counter-wagon also town.

It's at the very least possible wolves stayed off or didn't jump (or didn't jump late) on the Creature wagon or didn't prove too shifty in their vote intention.

You voted late and outside wagons. Why?

Creature's eod2 was extremely town, Wilgy's too. Ppl didn't decide to go elsewhere instead, that includes jjj. Imo we should have cfd elsewhere. Me and martin tried motobot.

I can’t say I notice your EOD effort to have been this steadfast and vocal (“extremely”, “let’s CFD”).

I was not vocally because I had no obvious alternative lynch. Motobot came close but is just =rand. Now d3 we have more time again. When deciding eod2 Wilg and creature was likely town, not much time left. For some reason most ppl were not reconsidering at all.

[Belzy]

My vote change does nothing but silence? Are we having two town wagons here?

Can you clarify what you meant that your vote “did nothing but silence”?

I think if one wagon was on a wolf more reaction would have happened. This was also a sign wolves being satisfied with the two top wagons.

[Belzy]

Jjj not seeing the ways the way I do, and Jjj lynching townies while being blind for their towniness, is not a good look on Jjj.

[Belzy]

The things* the way I do

[Belzy]

I've covered about half the cells in the associations chart. I have fewer dissociations than I would like so far, and I really hope that changes once I get into more players with more volume. If we cannot isolate teammates (and/or non-teammates) now, it's going to be very hard to win the game given where the numbers likely sit.

I will continue in a bit. If there are questions or arguments, please air them so that I can address them as I work.

If you are trying to win the game so hard, then why you lacked effort figuring Creature and Wilg out eod2? I think you are trying winning the game for non-town.

[Belzy]

My vote change does nothing but silence? Are we having two town wagons here?

These are the wagons that have had most of the discussion this hour. What do you anticipate should happen when you change your vote?

More important question is why Wilg acts all suicidal.

Maybe Wilgy is a vengeful death jester.

(kidding)

Is this a town really caring about Wilg's alignment, or a scummy who half joke-ly is satisfied keeping a vote on Wilg?

[Seanzie]

Morning.

I missed out on half the items.

[VOTE: Tooth Trap] aubergine

Well isn't this grand.

[VOTE: Rico] aubergine

Dude's been a wagon every day, and it gets outvoted at EoD. I gotta look back at Scotty/Vivax and Creature/Wilgy wagons.

If you wouldn't wagon me for one 8am catchup post that took an hour to write and had the "it's a sprawling catchup post you guys" disclaimer right in the first paragraph and had some (less or more minor) impressions out of which I never intended or claimed or beat my chest to obtain and provied full reads but you so demanded at every step that I was supposed to have obtained and provided full reads and if two-three players wouldn't have jumped on your wagon each time, with even less substantiated demands than yours (or just sheeping you), I wouldn't be a wagon every day.

I’m gonna review every single association left in this game

What's this association thingy you are trying to do? It's Day 3 and there is no mafia/3p flip, what's to associate?

You know, I believe that you actually think your sprawling post is NAI... and the fact that you feel caught for the wrong reasons is dripping out of the seams here.

[Belzy]

^

My attempt to townread Wilg and get Jjj involved in that failed. Jjj had no interest to reconsider Wilg.

[Belzy]

Sean,

What is your read on JJj?

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Mint Chocolate Chip Ice Cream] aubergine

*throws subtle shade re: No flint/wood*

*avoids flint/wood*

Uh huh...

[Seanzie]

Imo eod2 creature and wilgy looked very towny. Jjj didnt got there, and lynched town twice. Also Sean usually looks better with his votes.

Which votes of mine do you have an issue with?

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: deviled eggs] aubergine

I think that was already claimed.

[Seanzie]

Not sure how much you can make out of EOD2 which resorted to a coordinated lynch, with odds of a vengeful hit on wolf.

Counter-wagon also town.

It's at the very least possible wolves stayed off or didn't jump (or didn't jump late) on the Creature wagon or didn't prove too shifty in their vote intention.

You voted late and outside wagons. Why?

Lime was also a viable CW up until close to EoD. You don't see Creature as a possible Lime!Save?

[Seanzie]

Not sure how much you can make out of EOD2 which resorted to a coordinated lynch, with odds of a vengeful hit on wolf.

Counter-wagon also town.

It's at the very least possible wolves stayed off or didn't jump (or didn't jump late) on the Creature wagon or didn't prove too shifty in their vote intention.

You voted late and outside wagons. Why?

Creature's eod2 was extremely town, Wilgy's too. Ppl didn't decide to go elsewhere instead, that includes jjj. Imo we should have cfd elsewhere. Me and martin tried motobot.

How do you feel about Lime Coke?

[Belzy]

It's worth noting that Lime is actually at 5 votes right now even though it doesn't look like it in the poll. Moto is a double-voter and Lime has 1 hunger vote from D1.

If things don't change before EoD, I'll probably move to Creature since that's a better flip than Lime IMO. I'd also support a Wilgy wagon.

What made you okay w/lynching Wilg and Creature?

Imo eod2 creature and wilgy looked very towny. Jjj didnt got there, and lynched town twice. Also Sean usually looks better with his votes.

Which votes of mine do you have an issue with?

Your vote on Wilg. Could you elobarate that and your eod2?

[Belzy]

Not sure how much you can make out of EOD2 which resorted to a coordinated lynch, with odds of a vengeful hit on wolf.

Counter-wagon also town.

It's at the very least possible wolves stayed off or didn't jump (or didn't jump late) on the Creature wagon or didn't prove too shifty in their vote intention.

You voted late and outside wagons. Why?

Creature's eod2 was extremely town, Wilgy's too. Ppl didn't decide to go elsewhere instead, that includes jjj. Imo we should have cfd elsewhere. Me and martin tried motobot.

How do you feel about Lime Coke?

Not my preferred lynch. Would you lynch there?

[Seanzie]

Sean,

What is your read on JJj?

He has reminded me a lot of the CindyKate/Percy game in terms of the legwork running ISOs, and now the associative thing (even though it does seem a bit sparse, but that might be because of doing lower posters first). I was heavily suspicious of Jay and found him very agenda-y in Halvorsen ridge when he was scum, and I haven't gotten the same vibes as now. However, the fact that we do feel pretty far off base does not bode well for him, and also I am a little concerned I am being kept alive in order to slightly mitigate a "why is Jay still alive" push ("Why is Seanzie still alive too?" can really defuse that), especially with Tutuu dying, who was pretty strongly saying that if Jay doesn't bag a wolf by D4 they should be flipped (which honestly, I agree with). Still, probably more a town-lean than not, but he is compatible with Rico so... meh. Still want Rico first.