JJJ's Bad First Dates Mafia [END]

[DrWilgy]

zzz

[Seanzie]

where did everyone go?

I'm teaching a class... while also typing up a post about FINALLY FINDING a scum!Rem game after digging through MU for like two hours. Will come soon (or not... I am actually teaching a class currently, so gotta pay some attention to that)

[pyxxy]

And like, with you Pyx, it's really hard to compare this game to cyberpunk because I had tmi there. I WANT to say it's similar enough, in attitude.

Some things look similar, but you joining thread only after cape is gone is level 0 but also feels correct to be suspicious about.

yeah I think this is a reasonable POV for you

and the only way to parse it is what you're trying, cross-game almost angleshooty reads, which are dangerous, not to mention possibly unreliable

or

you could theorize that I thought it would be funny to awaken D2 like you did in Cyberpunk, since we were in both games

but I didn't think of that

[pyxxy]

where did everyone go?

other game + daily meeting

[DrWilgy]

where did everyone go?

I'm teaching a class... while also typing up a post about FINALLY FINDING a scum!Rem game after digging through MU for like two hours. Will come soon (or not... I am actually teaching a class currently, so gotta pay some attention to that)

Godspeed buddy

where did everyone go?

other game + daily meeting

I get this. My meeting ended maybe 45 min ago and was a short one luckily.

[DrWilgy]

And like, with you Pyx, it's really hard to compare this game to cyberpunk because I had tmi there. I WANT to say it's similar enough, in attitude.

Some things look similar, but you joining thread only after cape is gone is level 0 but also feels correct to be suspicious about.

yeah I think this is a reasonable POV for you

and the only way to parse it is what you're trying, cross-game almost angleshooty reads, which are dangerous, not to mention possibly unreliable

or

you could theorize that I thought it would be funny to awaken D2 like you did in Cyberpunk, since we were in both games

but I didn't think of that

Plz god never follow my example on how to wolf.

[Guillotine]

Cape TR'd Guillo, Zenon by like 12.56%

Like'd Rem's readlist

WR'd Seanzie, Pyxxy with Robyn

Weird, if you were willing to consider Cape's legacy on me and Zenon, why did you park your vote one me for more than 24 hours?

[Guillotine]

I don't want to vote Guillo, Epi, Falcon or Pyxxy.

@DrWilgy @Zenon @Rem @robyn

Sup dood?

Can you give me a summary of your thoughts (a rainbow list or top 3 town/scum or something)?

behold the 47.25% uninformed rainbow.
Zenon
Falc
Epi
Guillo
Seanzie
Rem
Robyn
Pyyxy

Order within color brackets has no meaning. color has no meaning. nothing has meaning.

Why Zenon so high, and me so low?

Zenon really feels like town Zenon

You felt like town you, but T Cape said yeet you, and T Tutuu said to sheep Zenon who said to yeet you. SO your position is an ACK that I'm big dumb 28.9892% of the time and that I could be wrong.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[Guillotine]

It does not make sense that Wilgy townreads Seanzie and Zenon and decides to sheep a townread to vote another townread, that is scummy.

[Guillotine]

I don't want to vote Guillo, Epi, Falcon or Pyxxy.

@DrWilgy @Zenon @Rem @robyn

Sup dood?

Can you give me a summary of your thoughts (a rainbow list or top 3 town/scum or something)?

behold the 47.25% uninformed rainbow.
Zenon
Falc
Epi
Guillo
Seanzie
Rem
Robyn
Pyyxy

Order within color brackets has no meaning. color has no meaning. nothing has meaning.

This list contradicts your early read on Seanzie, like you can't possibly have believed that Seanzie felt town and put him in the orange pile just because Zenon said so. Nope

[Guillotine]

Sup dood?

Can you give me a summary of your thoughts (a rainbow list or top 3 town/scum or something)?

behold the 47.25% uninformed rainbow.
Zenon
Falc
Epi
Guillo
Seanzie
Rem
Robyn
Pyyxy

Order within color brackets has no meaning. color has no meaning. nothing has meaning.

Why Zenon so high, and me so low?

Zenon really feels like town Zenon

You felt like town you, but T Cape said yeet you, and T Tutuu said to sheep Zenon who said to yeet you. SO your position is an ACK that I'm big dumb 28.9892% of the time and that I could be wrong.

How do you tell the difference between town!Zenon and wolf!Zenon?

Zenon admits they suck at scumreads. Does that factor into your two-layer sheep read?

If you are sheeping Zenon on her scumread of me, why is Rem so low?

you and Rem are the same color silly.

Also idk, but I'm pretty sure I have the Zenon read at least semi tangibly 75.4% of the time. I've gotten it correct afew times. W!Zenon the agenda comes through just ever so slightly, but this cartoon is just kinda schmoovin like T Zenon.

my gut is screaming to w read Rem, but I wouldn't actually vote there because of Zenon's read until given need to do otherwise as it stands.

If Wilgy is a wolf Zenon and Seanzie are def spewed town based on this.

Safe to say Wilgy/Zenon and Wilgy/Seanzie are not probable teams.

[Rem]

Drwilgy pointing out that i tied the wagons is funny when i didnt even move, my only vote movement was from tuttu to guillo and then a triple tie formed

[Guillotine]

Oh ho ho!!! This get's better!

I don't want to vote Guillo, Epi, Falcon or Pyxxy.

@DrWilgy @Zenon @Rem @robyn

Sup dood?

Can you give me a summary of your thoughts (a rainbow list or top 3 town/scum or something)?

behold the 47.25% uninformed rainbow.
Zenon
Falc
Epi
Guillo
Seanzie
Rem
Robyn
Pyyxy

Order within color brackets has no meaning. color has no meaning. nothing has meaning.

Why Zenon so high, and me so low?

Zenon really feels like town Zenon

You felt like town you, but T Cape said yeet you, and T Tutuu said to sheep Zenon who said to yeet you. SO your position is an ACK that I'm big dumb 28.9892% of the time and that I could be wrong.

Where is that?

Here?

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I don't like this vote too much.

Oddly enough I feel like if pyxxy is mafia the other is robyn and just her?

Which doesn't feel correct

Which was followed up with moving their vote to Tutuu 3 minutes later?

"I don't like this vote too much" equates to "yeet Seanzie"? Uhh huh...

So...

Wilgy is misrepresenting Cape, and "sheeping tutuu, sheeping zenon" on me, but NOT Rem?

Nah.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Yup

[Rem]

I declare myself guilty of charge about the fluff post judge

[DrWilgy]

Cape TR'd Guillo, Zenon by like 12.56%

Like'd Rem's readlist

WR'd Seanzie, Pyxxy with Robyn

Weird, if you were willing to consider Cape's legacy on me and Zenon, why did you park your vote one me for more than 24 hours?

Weird, I can drop a randy vote at start of phase prior to reading Cape's legacy on you and Zenon and leave it there for 24 hours because I wasn't around?

[Guillotine]

So I will cut EOD pretty close

I still think Guillotine is just town here and am not sure what the votes on him are about

I'm considering getting off pyxxy because if he is wolf, I would not expect his mafia partner to try? Like just because of how nothing he is playing and I get the vibe of people trying this game

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I don't like this vote too much.

Oddly enough I feel like if pyxxy is mafia the other is robyn and just her?

Which doesn't feel correct

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I don't like this vote too much.

Oddly enough I feel like if pyxxy is mafia the other is robyn and just her?

Which doesn't feel correct

i'm voting pyxxy as u said this

Yeah I realized that after I scrolled up

IDK I could just be wrong I just feel as if, if pyxxy is mafia then the other one would be in doomer mode or whatever

So the way I see Cape's posts before EoD I see
T Guillo

W Sean, Robyn, Pyx and Tutuu in that order of bottom of totem pole from least to most scummy per Cape.

Yeah, that doesn't scream "yeet Sean" to me. You're using dead people's reads with an agenda.

Correct! I also don't trust his change of heart and that now he wants to townread me because of legacies but he started this day voting me, not to mention he scum read cape90 yesterday but today all of those trust issues with their reads and pushes are magically gone because the flipped town? and suddenly he wants to sheep the dead that he himself scum read yesterday?
Sheep Cape90 into townreading me?

Nah fam, Wilgy is scum here and is trying to associate me with him.

[DrWilgy]

Actually, to be fair, it wasn't 103.52% randy, it was 'I was voting here at EoD, may as well resume there' and then I couldn't get back to thread.

[Guillotine]

Cape TR'd Guillo, Zenon by like 12.56%

Like'd Rem's readlist

WR'd Seanzie, Pyxxy with Robyn

Weird, if you were willing to consider Cape's legacy on me and Zenon, why did you park your vote one me for more than 24 hours?

Weird, I can drop a randy vote at start of phase prior to reading Cape's legacy on you and Zenon and leave it there for 24 hours because I wasn't around?

No, not really, you can just not drop a vote at all if you are not gonna be around for 24 hours.

[DrWilgy]

It does not make sense that Wilgy townreads Seanzie and Zenon and decides to sheep a townread to vote another townread, that is scummy.

zzz

[DrWilgy]

Cape TR'd Guillo, Zenon by like 12.56%

Like'd Rem's readlist

WR'd Seanzie, Pyxxy with Robyn

Weird, if you were willing to consider Cape's legacy on me and Zenon, why did you park your vote one me for more than 24 hours?

Weird, I can drop a randy vote at start of phase prior to reading Cape's legacy on you and Zenon and leave it there for 24 hours because I wasn't around?

No, not really, you can just not drop a vote at all if you are not gonna be around for 24 hours.

Nah

[DrWilgy]

I don't want to vote Guillo, Epi, Falcon or Pyxxy.

@DrWilgy @Zenon @Rem @robyn

Sup dood?

Can you give me a summary of your thoughts (a rainbow list or top 3 town/scum or something)?

behold the 47.25% uninformed rainbow.
Zenon
Falc
Epi
Guillo
Seanzie
Rem
Robyn
Pyyxy

Order within color brackets has no meaning. color has no meaning. nothing has meaning.

This list contradicts your early read on Seanzie, like you can't possibly have believed that Seanzie felt town and put him in the orange pile just because Zenon said so. Nope

It's almost as if my reads change and develop as the gamestate changes!

[Guillotine]

Cape TR'd Guillo, Zenon by like 12.56%

Like'd Rem's readlist

WR'd Seanzie, Pyxxy with Robyn

Weird, if you were willing to consider Cape's legacy on me and Zenon, why did you park your vote one me for more than 24 hours?

Weird, I can drop a randy vote at start of phase prior to reading Cape's legacy on you and Zenon and leave it there for 24 hours because I wasn't around?

No, not really, you can just not drop a vote at all if you are not gonna be around for 24 hours.

Nah

Yah

What is your read on Rem, Pyxxy and Robyn?

[DrWilgy]

Drwilgy pointing out that i tied the wagons is funny when i didnt even move, my only vote movement was from tuttu to guillo and then a triple tie formed

Aye, it was me, I didn't mean to imply that you did it, but rather you enabled ME to do it lol. There was just alot of movement and I recall that you and I were pro chaos.

[Guillotine]

I don't want to vote Guillo, Epi, Falcon or Pyxxy.

@DrWilgy @Zenon @Rem @robyn

Sup dood?

Can you give me a summary of your thoughts (a rainbow list or top 3 town/scum or something)?

behold the 47.25% uninformed rainbow.
Zenon
Falc
Epi
Guillo
Seanzie
Rem
Robyn
Pyyxy

Order within color brackets has no meaning. color has no meaning. nothing has meaning.

This list contradicts your early read on Seanzie, like you can't possibly have believed that Seanzie felt town and put him in the orange pile just because Zenon said so. Nope

It's almost as if my reads change and develop as the gamestate changes!

I'd agree if those changes happen organically but they changed because you decided to sheep, hence they are inorganic.

[DrWilgy]

So I will cut EOD pretty close

I still think Guillotine is just town here and am not sure what the votes on him are about

I'm considering getting off pyxxy because if he is wolf, I would not expect his mafia partner to try? Like just because of how nothing he is playing and I get the vibe of people trying this game

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I don't like this vote too much.

Oddly enough I feel like if pyxxy is mafia the other is robyn and just her?

Which doesn't feel correct

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I don't like this vote too much.

Oddly enough I feel like if pyxxy is mafia the other is robyn and just her?

Which doesn't feel correct

i'm voting pyxxy as u said this

Yeah I realized that after I scrolled up

IDK I could just be wrong I just feel as if, if pyxxy is mafia then the other one would be in doomer mode or whatever

So the way I see Cape's posts before EoD I see
T Guillo

W Sean, Robyn, Pyx and Tutuu in that order of bottom of totem pole from least to most scummy per Cape.

Yeah, that doesn't scream "yeet Sean" to me. You're using dead people's reads with an agenda.

Correct! I also don't trust his change of heart and that now he wants to townread me because of legacies but he started this day voting me, not to mention he scum read cape90 yesterday but today all of those trust issues with their reads and pushes are magically gone because the flipped town? and suddenly he wants to sheep the dead that he himself scum read yesterday?
Sheep Cape90 into townreading me?

Nah fam, Wilgy is scum here and is trying to associate me with him.

alright, first off why would I try to associate you to me? that doesn't even make sense I wanted you gone yesterday lol.

and of course they are magically gone because they flipped town. I know they are town now.

What are you even arguing for?

[DrWilgy]

I do think that this is town entiled Guillo though which is weird. Especially in contradiction to the Tutuu W equity that we pointed out yesterday.

[DrWilgy]

Cape TR'd Guillo, Zenon by like 12.56%

Like'd Rem's readlist

WR'd Seanzie, Pyxxy with Robyn

Weird, if you were willing to consider Cape's legacy on me and Zenon, why did you park your vote one me for more than 24 hours?

Weird, I can drop a randy vote at start of phase prior to reading Cape's legacy on you and Zenon and leave it there for 24 hours because I wasn't around?

No, not really, you can just not drop a vote at all if you are not gonna be around for 24 hours.

Nah

Yah

What is your read on Rem, Pyxxy and Robyn?

Rem is too fluffy, I'd like to trust Zenon but feel that I'm unable to do so fully. Would yeet.

Pyxxy is just wolfy this game.

Robyn is also wolfy this game. They were the first to try to draw attention to the weirdness of the nk this cyle, like almost immediately, and have been almost completely mia at the same time.

[DrWilgy]

I don't want to vote Guillo, Epi, Falcon or Pyxxy.

@DrWilgy @Zenon @Rem @robyn

Sup dood?

Can you give me a summary of your thoughts (a rainbow list or top 3 town/scum or something)?

behold the 47.25% uninformed rainbow.
Zenon
Falc
Epi
Guillo
Seanzie
Rem
Robyn
Pyyxy

Order within color brackets has no meaning. color has no meaning. nothing has meaning.

This list contradicts your early read on Seanzie, like you can't possibly have believed that Seanzie felt town and put him in the orange pile just because Zenon said so. Nope

It's almost as if my reads change and develop as the gamestate changes!

I'd agree if those changes happen organically but they changed because you decided to sheep, hence they are inorganic.

PLOT TWIST

My friend, it's almost as if I acknowledged that nothing was organic because I was 10 pages behind and was going off 14% whim of elder gods in the distance.

If you don't like the conclusions I've come to since finishing my skim w/e but it's just kinda silly to be like 'AHA, Wilgy said he hadn't read and was responding strictly to notifications and I'VE got him now!'

[DrWilgy]

Cape TR'd Guillo, Zenon by like 12.56%

Like'd Rem's readlist

WR'd Seanzie, Pyxxy with Robyn

Weird, if you were willing to consider Cape's legacy on me and Zenon, why did you park your vote one me for more than 24 hours?

Weird, I can drop a randy vote at start of phase prior to reading Cape's legacy on you and Zenon and leave it there for 24 hours because I wasn't around?

No, not really, you can just not drop a vote at all if you are not gonna be around for 24 hours.

Nah

Yah

What is your read on Rem, Pyxxy and Robyn?

Rem is too fluffy, I'd like to trust Zenon but feel that I'm unable to do so fully. Would yeet.

Pyxxy is just wolfy this game.

Robyn is also wolfy this game. They were the first to try to draw attention to the weirdness of the nk this cyle, like almost immediately, and have been almost completely mia at the same time.

Plus further on Rem, I do think that a chunk of energy was put into pocketing me for some reason. I just don't see why the shitposting gave me a tr last cycle.

[Guillotine]

So I will cut EOD pretty close

I still think Guillotine is just town here and am not sure what the votes on him are about

I'm considering getting off pyxxy because if he is wolf, I would not expect his mafia partner to try? Like just because of how nothing he is playing and I get the vibe of people trying this game

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I don't like this vote too much.

Oddly enough I feel like if pyxxy is mafia the other is robyn and just her?

Which doesn't feel correct

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I don't like this vote too much.

Oddly enough I feel like if pyxxy is mafia the other is robyn and just her?

Which doesn't feel correct

i'm voting pyxxy as u said this

Yeah I realized that after I scrolled up

IDK I could just be wrong I just feel as if, if pyxxy is mafia then the other one would be in doomer mode or whatever

So the way I see Cape's posts before EoD I see
T Guillo

W Sean, Robyn, Pyx and Tutuu in that order of bottom of totem pole from least to most scummy per Cape.

Yeah, that doesn't scream "yeet Sean" to me. You're using dead people's reads with an agenda.

Correct! I also don't trust his change of heart and that now he wants to townread me because of legacies but he started this day voting me, not to mention he scum read cape90 yesterday but today all of those trust issues with their reads and pushes are magically gone because the flipped town? and suddenly he wants to sheep the dead that he himself scum read yesterday?
Sheep Cape90 into townreading me?

Nah fam, Wilgy is scum here and is trying to associate me with him.

alright, first off why would I try to associate you to me? that doesn't even make sense I wanted you gone yesterday lol.

and of course they are magically gone because they flipped town. I know they are town now.

What are you even arguing for?

You don't understand because you are not town that is why.

When a townie scum reads another townie and they flip part of their ego still wanna be right and will not admit that the townie they tunneled had good reads. This is most people townies never sheep the dead, because they wanna be right and the dead is telling them that they were wrong about them.

Also, the primary reason scum kills a player on night 1 is if they are an imminent threat! But they also can kill for WIFOM! So blindly sheeping the dead is dangerous!

I don't know how long you have been playing this game but this is mafia basics, you should know this if you have been playing more than 6 months.

I don't see believe you are willing to sheep the towny (Cape90) that you yourself tunneled yesterday into townreading the other townie (Me) whom you also tunneled and almost eliminated yesterday.

[Guillotine]

And the keyword is sheep.

[DrWilgy]

When a townie scum reads another townie and they flip part of their ego still wanna be right and will not admit that the townie they tunneled had good reads. This is most people townies never sheep the dead, because they wanna be right and the dead is telling them that they were wrong about them.

Also, the primary reason scum kills a player on night 1 is if they are an imminent threat! But they also can kill for WIFOM! So blindly sheeping the dead is dangerous!

Please go read cyberpunk. I quite literally lost as W because T was smart enough to sheep. Forgive me for choosing to drop my own ego.

I don't know how long you have been playing this game but this is mafia basics, you should know this if you have been playing more than 6 months.

This is unnecessarily condescending and not really an argument.

I don't see believe you are willing to sheep the towny (Cape90) that you yourself tunneled yesterday into townreading the other townie (Me) whom you also tunneled and almost eliminated yesterday.

Why not?

[Guillotine]

Cape TR'd Guillo, Zenon by like 12.56%

Like'd Rem's readlist

WR'd Seanzie, Pyxxy with Robyn

Weird, if you were willing to consider Cape's legacy on me and Zenon, why did you park your vote one me for more than 24 hours?

Weird, I can drop a randy vote at start of phase prior to reading Cape's legacy on you and Zenon and leave it there for 24 hours because I wasn't around?

No, not really, you can just not drop a vote at all if you are not gonna be around for 24 hours.

Nah

Yah

What is your read on Rem, Pyxxy and Robyn?

Rem is too fluffy, I'd like to trust Zenon but feel that I'm unable to do so fully. Would yeet.

Pyxxy is just wolfy this game.

Robyn is also wolfy this game. They were the first to try to draw attention to the weirdness of the nk this cyle, like almost immediately, and have been almost completely mia at the same time.

Ok. What about Falcon then?

[DrWilgy]

Falcon is town here.

Strong early, into AFK because busy into coming back just to throw hands? This is 100% T Falcon meta.

[Guillotine]

When a townie scum reads another townie and they flip part of their ego still wanna be right and will not admit that the townie they tunneled had good reads. This is most people townies never sheep the dead, because they wanna be right and the dead is telling them that they were wrong about them.

Also, the primary reason scum kills a player on night 1 is if they are an imminent threat! But they also can kill for WIFOM! So blindly sheeping the dead is dangerous!

Please go read cyberpunk. I quite literally lost as W because T was smart enough to sheep. Forgive me for choosing to drop my own ego.

I don't know how long you have been playing this game but this is mafia basics, you should know this if you have been playing more than 6 months.

This is unnecessarily condescending and not really an argument.

I don't see believe you are willing to sheep the towny (Cape90) that you yourself tunneled yesterday into townreading the other townie (Me) whom you also tunneled and almost eliminated yesterday.

Why not?

1) Are you prone to sheep others as town? is this in your town meta? If yes, I'd like to see proof please.
2) It was not meant tobe condescending, it is a fact, anyone playing longer than 6 months should know that.
3) I already explained why.

Also here is a theory. Imagine you fake being away from the thread but you have been reading.
Then imagine you see I get a lot of heat and you just wanna see if I get enough heat to get executed today.
Then as you saw that Seanzie, Epignosis, Zenon and myself have found each other then you come in the thread with your sheep story and make an 180 on me to magically townread me because Cape90 said so. Specially because your name was being brought up and you knew that you remaining AFK will eventually bring you some heat.
So this is the perfect opportunity to make it look like you are townreading me only you did it deliberately inorganic so if you die first and flip wolf, then your partner, whoever they are can start a push on me pointing out how inorganic your townread on me was and getting me sussed that way.

It makes perfect sense.

[Guillotine]

Falcon is town here.

Strong early, into AFK because busy into coming back just to throw hands? This is 100% T Falcon meta.

So why are you sheeping Zenon if you are not sure about their townieness?

[DrWilgy]

1) Are you prone to sheep others as town? is this in your town meta? If yes, I'd like to see proof please.

I have no meta, good luck with that one.

2) It was not meant tobe condescending, it is a fact, anyone playing longer than 6 months should know that.

Putting should statements on things like this is inherently condescending. You don't get to decide what values others have.

3) I already explained why.

Also here is a theory. Imagine you fake being away from the thread but you have been reading.

Cool, please point to evidence of it being fake. This is thin.

Then imagine you see I get a lot of heat and you just wanna see if I get enough heat to get executed today.

That was kinda the point, I was giving you heat yesterday.

Then as you saw that Seanzie, Epignosis, Zenon and myself have found each other then you come in the thread with your sheep story and make an 180 on me to magically townread me because Cape90 said so. Specially because your name was being brought up and you knew that you remaining AFK will eventually bring you some heat.

Alrighty sure, on the premise that I had actually read that at that point fine.

So this is the perfect opportunity to make it look like you are townreading me only you did it deliberately inorganic so if you die first and flip wolf, then your partner, whoever they are can start a push on me pointing out how inorganic your townread on me was and getting me sussed that way.

But I am townreading you. The TR didn't come directly from Cape. It was a combination of Cape's read being able to be judged as real and your interactions with Sean. As I stated. Earlier. When you had 45% scum equity with Tutuu.

[DrWilgy]

Falcon is town here.

Strong early, into AFK because busy into coming back just to throw hands? This is 100% T Falcon meta.

So why are you sheeping Zenon if you are not sure about their townieness?

I am sure of Zenon's towniness?

[Rem]

@drwilgy yeah we were chaos gremlins it just seemed like you were blaming me for it

And while i was pro chaos and rand it just happened fmpov

[Guillotine]

What happened between here

I don't want to vote Guillo, Epi, Falcon or Pyxxy.

@DrWilgy @Zenon @Rem @robyn

Sup dood?

Can you give me a summary of your thoughts (a rainbow list or top 3 town/scum or something)?

behold the 47.25% uninformed rainbow.
Zenon
Falc
Epi
Guillo
Seanzie
Rem
Robyn
Pyyxy

Order within color brackets has no meaning. color has no meaning. nothing has meaning.

Why Zenon so high, and me so low?

Zenon really feels like town Zenon

You felt like town you, but T Cape said yeet you, and T Tutuu said to sheep Zenon who said to yeet you. SO your position is an ACK that I'm big dumb 28.9892% of the time and that I could be wrong.

and

here

I'd like to trust Zenon but feel that I'm unable to do so fully. Would yeet.

[DrWilgy]

@drwilgy yeah we were chaos gremlins it just seemed like you were blaming me for it

And while i was pro chaos and rand it just happened fmpov

Oh no lol. The 3 way tie was entirely my doing and I'd do it again.

[DrWilgy]

Rem is too fluffy, I'd like to trust Zenon but feel that I'm unable to do so fully. Would yeet.

why did you leave out that Rem was the subject matter of would yeet in that @Guillotine? That almost seems like an intentional omission.

[Guillotine]

Rem is too fluffy, I'd like to trust Zenon but feel that I'm unable to do so fully. Would yeet.

why did you leave out that Rem was the subject matter of would yeet in that @Guillotine? That almost seems like an intentional omission.

Because Im not talking about Rem im talking about your sudden Zenon read change in the span of a page with no clear progression.

[DrWilgy]

Rem is too fluffy, I'd like to trust Zenon but feel that I'm unable to do so fully. Would yeet.

why did you leave out that Rem was the subject matter of would yeet in that @Guillotine? That almost seems like an intentional omission.

Because Im not talking about Rem im talking about your sudden Zenon read change in the span of a page with no clear progression.

My read on Zenon didn't change. Please reread the quote.

Really don't feel like when I'm asked specifically about Rem, and I respond with subject matter Rem, and end it in a 'Would yeet.' you'd get to 'they changed their read on Zenon.' Did I need to put 'Would yeet Rem?'

[Guillotine]

Rem is too fluffy, I'd like to trust Zenon but feel that I'm unable to do so fully. Would yeet.

why did you leave out that Rem was the subject matter of would yeet in that @Guillotine? That almost seems like an intentional omission.

Because Im not talking about Rem im talking about your sudden Zenon read change in the span of a page with no clear progression.

My read on Zenon didn't change. Please reread the quote.

Really don't feel like when I'm asked specifically about Rem, and I respond with subject matter Rem, and end it in a 'Would yeet.' you'd get to 'they changed their read on Zenon.' Did I need to put 'Would yeet Rem?'

Oh I see, my bad.

So your read on Zenon is still town right?

[DrWilgy]

yes. I just don't know if I'm to 100% trust their read on Rem.

I'd like to, but it feels very contrary to what I think on Rem.

[Guillotine]

yes. I just don't know if I'm to 100% trust their read on Rem.

I'd like to, but it feels very contrary to what I think on Rem.

The way I see it is:

If Zenon, Rem and Robyn are all town and they swore to trust each other til the end then scum will have to do something about it. Because there is nothing scum fears more than town finding each other and protecting each other at great lengths.

I don't trust Rem. But I do trust Zenon and if those three are town, then scum will have to resolve them for me, otherwise, the game is already won for us. Sucks to be a wolf because if those 3 are town who happen to be the shy ones (except Zenon), they will have a hard time having to decide between killing them to break the voltron or loud players like myself.

This is why I'm not pushing for Rem or Robyn, because if Zenon is right, scum will have to break that up. This is what realistically is supposed to happen if they are all three town, scum is gonna have to do something about it, now if they dont start dropping like flies then ... we are in trouble.

[Guillotine]

yes. I just don't know if I'm to 100% trust their read on Rem.

I'd like to, but it feels very contrary to what I think on Rem.

Why are you self voting?

[Seanzie]

Rem again did not respond to my request for a few previous scum games, so I painstakingly found one on my own (they were scum in the recent MU mash, but that is a whole different sort of game so I ignored it).

Here is one from January: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... r-by-Pizza

In this and in the 2 town games that Zenon posted (I am ignoring the one where they did nothing but post random numbers and votes), Rem was much less fluff. As such, I'm going to say that possible reasons for their fluff include:

1.) being on a new site, and

2.) Zenon

However, in their town games, they have super sharp nuanced solvy moments, whereas in their scum game, they tend to be more soft shading.

I feel like if I remove the fluff, Rem is still closer to their mafia self than their town self, but I don't think the fluff itself is necessarily AI, and I feel marginally better about them now after looking at a scum game than I did after perusing a few of their town games.

I was gonna write more where I pull quotes from their old town and scum games, but that was 2 hours ago, and 2 hours ago Seanzie was a lot more excited about the prospect of doing that than current Seanzie.

[Seanzie]

I also don't want to discourage anyone from actively participating, but I do feel like the way Wilgy is fighting so hard right now makes me think more of scum than town. Wilgy doesn't like being scum much I don't think, but he takes his duty to his team pretty seriously. Having some heat on him here has lit a fire under him that I usually don't see when town!Wilgy gets suspected.