Sesame Street Mafia Game Over Town Wins

[Master Radishes]

I've kind of felt for awhile that the gamestate suggests a relatively low-impact scum team. Like they aren't running the show here; they're trying to nod along and get by unnoticed. To me Belzy didn't fit into that, but of course not every scum member has to I suppose.

But I think we'll find scum in, like, Falcon or Epi. Or Wilgy, though I don't really feel that one at the moment.

[S~V~S]

[VOTE: Mastah Rahdeesh ] aubergine

seems like the rational vote

really think the lunch must be in mr / wilgy / epi today, don’t see any reason to wander elsewhere

Do you really think my wolfy attempt to stop the Belzy chop was limited to 'it's probably t/t, actually maybe not, I dunno' ?

im not sure what you were trying to do. i kinda think you just didn’t know how to navigate it.

i think it was more of an “act like i don’t have tmi” thing and trying to test whether there were odds at saving belzy

Okay. Or it could just be the simple solution.

I'm not sure why being on the fence about an unusual case makes you bad? I mean, Ted pushed back, too. You seemed pretty sincere to me.

[Master Radishes]

your reasons for thinking it’s v/v were so shallow

“they both seem to believe in their angle”

there’s 0 interest in diving deeper than that.

i’ve spotted some other weird posts but i’ll get to them later. just think the PoE is getting tight /shrug

Okay.

[Master Radishes]

It's late here so I'll do my own thang tomorrow or whenever.

But like...I get how level 0 thinking suggests I'm connected to Belzy. But surely I deserve a bit more credit than level 0 thinking.

[tedxtr]

another thing was that you were giving takes on people outside of the event, related to the event, as if you were getting ahead of the curve

and even that you got wrong. you put LC and myself in the same bucket when neither of us really “commented” on the thing, we avoided it or gave a response on it, which is the opposite of commentary

[tedxtr]

LC said thunal svs are wolves if belzy is town and if belzy is wolf, that thunal / svs are villas

I said belzy is a wolf

Usually if you have a problem with commentary, it’s because it lacks a conclusion, but we gave the conclusion without any engaging ourselves in it. There was no commentary.

It makes it seem like you needed to use that situation to propel your reads after

[Master Radishes]

Oh okay I chose the wrong descriptor.

[tedxtr]

I've kind of felt for awhile that the gamestate suggests a relatively low-impact scum team. Like they aren't running the show here; they're trying to nod along and get by unnoticed. To me Belzy didn't fit into that, but of course not every scum member has to I suppose.

But I think we'll find scum in, like, Falcon or Epi. Or Wilgy, though I don't really feel that one at the moment.

Why not wilgy?

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine

Going through bottom of Kate's list got 1 maf.

Let's see if it gets another.

[Epignosis]

I'm not mafia. J is for Jesus.

[Epignosis]

@Epignosis please explain your d1 read of belzy, what you wolfread them for and what the posts were that made you change your mind

Give me an hour, and I'll do just that.

[Seanzie]

im spewed

also, sean probably villa, LC might be one but lower odds

This is the fourth time you've mentioned me and LC together. Yesterday you kept repeating our names saying we could be town but are going lower on your list, even though it was less than halfway through the day, and didn't update that at all when at least I started posting.

Tell me about me. From SoD2 to just before this post. Tell me about your thoughts on me.

Separately, tell me why you are so concerned with me and LC together always?

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

[Epignosis]

I've kind of felt for awhile that the gamestate suggests a relatively low-impact scum team. Like they aren't running the show here; they're trying to nod along and get by unnoticed. To me Belzy didn't fit into that, but of course not every scum member has to I suppose.

But I think we'll find scum in, like, Falcon or Epi. Or Wilgy, though I don't really feel that one at the moment.

I'm sorry you are Belzy's teammate.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

[Epignosis]

@Epignosis please explain your d1 read of belzy, what you wolfread them for and what the posts were that made you change your mind

Give me an hour, and I'll do just that.

I don't have an explanation. I know I look bad.

[Seanzie]

@Seanzie definitely once, possibly twice. I didn’t notice and movement any other time. I don’t know for 100% sure. I wasn’t refreshing like clockwork, I know I saw it once after the initial time, but I won’t swear it never happened again.

I saw what I saw and her reaction cemented it for me.

Just to be sure I understand though, when you say "definitely once", do you mean that

1.) you definitely saw it for one 2-3 minute period between refreshes,

or did you have a situation where you:

2.) saw it, knowing you hadn't refreshed, hadn't clicked to see more posts, anything, for at least 2-3 minutes, then refreshed and it was still there?

I'm specifically asking because while Belzy's story seems weird, she does give of kind of an indignant vibe about it. It is possible that is bravado (and that is what I'm leaning towards), but I'd like to rule out the possiblity that your two stories are compatable. The poll is a little funny in how it resets (and I just did a few tests to check my understanding myself), so I want to make sure I know exactly what you're claiming to see to check if it is truly incompatible with Belzy's claim, or compatible, but coming from a misunderstanding about the poll.

I already townread Sean but this confirms it for me. Town are way more likely to think of things like testing how the poll resets because they're actually solving instead of faking it.

What are these tests and how do you preform them?

I don't know. I just think the idea of testing the poll is towny.

That's weird.

Seanzie, what are these tests and how do you perform them and why do they make you a civilian?

I opened two windows, one where I would change my vote, and another where I could view the poll. I tried to figure out under what conditions the poll would actually refresh. Clicking the "[1] new post" thingy does refresh the poll. Sitting around doesn't seem to (at least for a few minutes). I have seen weird poll animations in the past though, so I am not 100% confident I know how the poll works, but based on what SVS was saying it seemed legit. My biggest issue was the fact that a 2-second misclick could cause the poll to appear in a certain way for a long time if the person did not refresh.

Nothing except my rolecard makes me a townie. You'll have to ask Thunal why they think this makes me a townie. I can see an argument, but it is level 1, and I have enough respect for Thun (and generally distrust Thun) that I do not want to touch the rest of your question with a 10-foot pole.

[Seanzie]

@Epignosis please explain your d1 read of belzy, what you wolfread them for and what the posts were that made you change your mind

Give me an hour, and I'll do just that.

I don't have an explanation. I know I look bad.

I responded to the other thing because I found it when thinking about asking you about this.

Do your best please.

[Epignosis]

What the fuck am I doing? Belzy was bad. I can do stuff.

[Seanzie]

@Epignosis please explain your d1 read of belzy, what you wolfread them for and what the posts were that made you change your mind

Give me an hour, and I'll do just that.

I don't have an explanation. I know I look bad.

I responded to the other thing because I found it when thinking about asking you about this.

Do your best please.

Clarification: I was just ISOing Epi, and I wanted to ask about this, but I felt remiss doing that since I saw that there was a thing Epi asked me that I had forgotten to respond to, so I tried to do things in proper order.

[Epignosis]

I have about 20 more minutes of work and then I'm free to lock in on this.

[Seanzie]

@falcon45ca is probably wolf. I say probably here to mean >50% chance.

[Seanzie]

@falcon45ca is probably wolf. I say probably here to mean >50% chance.

(which is >>rand!wolf)

[Seanzie]

In the interests of not being my usual snarky and unhelpful self, and also because I'm bored atm, I'll respond properly.

I'm a bit worried about their whole PoE thing yesterday. It felt very contrived, and it seemed like a way for them to avoid doing any work on their own while trying to look townie.

That's...certainly a possible interpretation. An uncharitable one, but valid I guess.

The gamestate in D1 was lacklustre. We didn't have much direction. That's not uncommon, of course, and I myself am often all over the place D1. But I wanted to create a PoE for myself and include others' inputs (hence doing it publicly, not in my own head) because there were slots I wasn't sure on (e.g. I felt compromised on reading Zenon at that point).

I didn't intend to make it a bigger thing, but then, getting to see where people's heads were at, I noticed a pattern emerging (earlier responders named most or all of SVS/fingersplints/Seanzie as no-chops) and pursued it a bit.

As a side note, I'll point out that we had a fairly wide good opinion (let's say 'townlean') on SVS/Splints/Seanzie and none of them were the NK. I don't think that has to mean anything just yet, but it might be interesting to remember that after further NKs.

The Epi is low EV thing might have been at a time where Epi had only two posts.

Epi was just a bad value D1 kill regardless of whatever post count he was at. (Sorry, Epi.) I think he can easily still be a scum slot here, but I don't actually have a particularly strong opinion. When Falcon voted there I followed mostly for funsies. You never know what might happen when a sudden small wagon springs up, y'know?

Then today's "where is Falcon?" post gave me the heebee jeebies.

Why?

Finally, the way they talked about the Belzy reaction seems to have a bit of a timescale issue (but I could be wrong). In their first post about it, they mention that SVS/Belzy looks like t/t, and end that post saying "Belzy's strong reaction could be a wolfy attempt to fight back". The way this post is written, it looks like it was all written at once with no re-reading in between.... but then a few posts later they say that on initial read they thought Belzy was indignant townie, but upon re-read thought cornered scum.

Was that first post written before the re-read? (it sure doesn't feel like it from the last paragraph), or after the re-read (it sure doesn't feel like it from the first 2/3 of the post)? Seems very weird. Feels kind of like the timeline of MR's thoughts was made up afterwards to serve a purpose.

I don't...quite get the issue here? I skimmed the whole Belzy/SVS briefly, felt it was 'indignant towny', then later re-read more carefully and wavered on that opinion?

Why did you feel the need to ping Falcon? What led you to do that?

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca is probably wolf. I say probably here to mean >50% chance.

Well fuck, nobody told me.






Here I've been towning it up to the extreme

[Seanzie]

@falcon45ca is probably wolf. I say probably here to mean >50% chance.

Well fuck, nobody told me.






Here I've been towning it up to the extreme

Do you think I'm wolfy for pushing you right now?

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca is probably wolf. I say probably here to mean >50% chance.

Well fuck, nobody told me.






Here I've been towning it up to the extreme

Do you think I'm wolfy for pushing you right now?

Are you pushing me? I hadn't noticed.

[Seanzie]

@falcon45ca is probably wolf. I say probably here to mean >50% chance.

Well fuck, nobody told me.






Here I've been towning it up to the extreme

Do you think I'm wolfy for pushing you right now?

Are you pushing me? I hadn't noticed.

Yes you did. Please answer the question. Do you think I'm wolfy for pushing you right now?

[Seanzie]

Is not being in the poll NAI... at random?

probably, tho i imagine someone is bound to be pissed if one of them turns out to be an obvwolf and we can’t lunch them

myself included

I'd bet a million dollars one is a wolf and the other is town

Why would it work that way?

Why wouldn't it?

Apparently itsa recruiting bonus, so itsa totally NAI thing.

Recruiting bonus? Roxy said me and Kate would start with something in the opening post, not Kate and MR. I'm still waiting lol.

This post is non-sarcastically mildly sus for Thun.

[Epignosis]

Kinda annoying can't vote for two players today. Kate and MR go into the null pile until d2.

I expected someone to be annoyed about the prizes. I kept my mouth shut.

Kate is dead and MR is now.

I'll see how that plays out.

[Epignosis]

Is not being in the poll NAI... at random?

probably, tho i imagine someone is bound to be pissed if one of them turns out to be an obvwolf and we can’t lunch them

myself included

I'd bet a million dollars one is a wolf and the other is town

Why would it work that way?

Indignant.

[Seanzie]

I'm liking Belzy so far since I think her reactions and general gameplay have been to move the game along and imo that continued focus is level 1 towny. So far I think Zenon looks the worst because she feels caught for the wrong reasons.

What has Belzy done to move the game along?

Imo her MR push had that intention.

This is a bad post.

[Seanzie]

So I'm ISOing myself, and would you all believe that like... I really didn't remember much from D1, and re-found Belzy D2. I know, that's like weird, but while I read my own ISO, I'm being surprised.

[Seanzie]

@falcon45ca

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

[Seanzie]

After reading my own ISO (yes, conceited much, but I feel like it was helpful to me), I was reminded of a lot of sus of Thunal. I am going to look at their ISO. I don't have the best read of them, but I do think they are worth looking at.

Also Kate had them at the bottom of their list, so worth a look all you townies out there.

[Seanzie]

@falcon45ca I haven't forgotten about you though. Where are you?

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca I haven't forgotten about you though. Where are you?

Just got home from work.





No I don't think you're wolfy for pushing me, cuz I don't think you're pushing me, I think you're just trying to get a rise out of me




Which is kinda towny IMO

[Seanzie]

@falcon45ca I haven't forgotten about you though. Where are you?

Just got home from work.





No I don't think you're wolfy for pushing me, cuz I don't think you're pushing me, I think you're just trying to get a rise out of me




Which is kinda towny IMO

You aren't being townie though.

[Seanzie]

@Thunal33 can you TLDR your progression on Zenon?

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: Mastah Rahdeesh ] aubergine

seems like the rational vote

really think the lunch must be in mr / wilgy / epi today, don’t see any reason to wander elsewhere

Do you really think my wolfy attempt to stop the Belzy chop was limited to 'it's probably t/t, actually maybe not, I dunno' ?

I think Belzy's teammates would have known Belzy was dying for most of the phase so they'd try to look good off it.

[Seanzie]

I would have picked SVS for inexplicable reasons of gut reads, but I like your take. I’ll put you in town lean.

You’ve played with me long enough to know I take more suspish when I’m town. I don’t give much of a damn how I sound when I’m town and say whatever. People almost always read me as null this early when I’m bad since I’m about a zillion percent more careful. I respect inexplicable gut reads, though. You do you.

I had to walk away this AM As I found the tone in here a bit frustrating, which probably didn’t help.

I think Kates frustrated reaction to Sean’s push at her was a good look, but I haven’t read back past the last post I wrote this AM and the one I’m replying to.

@robyn i saw your @ earlier, and I’ll get you in the AM. I have fairly complex thoughts on your game in general. But to be honest to address your question, I’d have to go back past the last page, and that won’t be happening now. I’ll get you and whatever else I need to address in the AM.

I decided to check this against se7en, and overall I think it checks out and SVS did lie low a bit more there. At first I thought the response to tutuu I quoted below was drawing attention from her but it feels like she was walking back the poke in the end.

From Se7en:

@tutuu , Trivia is maybe the wrong word. Little suspicions for weird reasons, or iffy reasons. It feels like either mud slinging or reaction testing? And I have problems telling the two apart. Is reaction testing a you thing?

You seem a bit jumpy here which you did not do iirc in the recent game I played with you as a civ.

You feel like you’re trying too hard to find something, maybe? I have to go read you in that other game, maybe I am misrecalling.

Thun is a math!folk like me. This is a precarious deduction, and Thun knows this.

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca I haven't forgotten about you though. Where are you?

Just got home from work.





No I don't think you're wolfy for pushing me, cuz I don't think you're pushing me, I think you're just trying to get a rise out of me




Which is kinda towny IMO

You aren't being townie though.

What?




You crazy man, I'm prolly the towniest town who ever towned

[Thunal33]

Will do some analysis but off the top of my head I suspect Wilgy. It pinged me that Belzy took the effort to say I was wrong in calling her and Wilgy w/w. Like if she wasn't teamed with Wilgy, wouldn't she just not respond to me calling them w/w and let me wrongly think they were?

[Seanzie]

Will do some analysis but off the top of my head I suspect Wilgy. It pinged me that Belzy took the effort to say I was wrong in calling her and Wilgy w/w. Like if she wasn't teamed with Wilgy, wouldn't she just not respond to me calling them w/w and let me wrongly think they were?

Quote posts please.

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

I hope you're not seriously suspecting me.

[Seanzie]

@falcon45ca I haven't forgotten about you though. Where are you?

Just got home from work.





No I don't think you're wolfy for pushing me, cuz I don't think you're pushing me, I think you're just trying to get a rise out of me




Which is kinda towny IMO

You aren't being townie though.

What?




You crazy man, I'm prolly the towniest town who ever towned

You heard me. Why do I have to @ you for content?

What do you need right now to prove to me your alignment?

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

I hope you're not seriously suspecting me.

This emotion... is completely faked.

Thunal as a person regularly deals with suspicion from me. I can provide evidence from essentially every game Thun and I have played together since she came back. This is just... not right. Period.

@Thunal33 do you disagree?

[Thunal33]

Will do some analysis but off the top of my head I suspect Wilgy. It pinged me that Belzy took the effort to say I was wrong in calling her and Wilgy w/w. Like if she wasn't teamed with Wilgy, wouldn't she just not respond to me calling them w/w and let me wrongly think they were?

Quote posts please.

A tinfoil I have is Belzy/Wilgy w/w. Belzy was doing a lot of talking about how she wanted to eliminate Wilgy after she switched back to robyn but wasn't really advocating for a CFD. These posts were after both her and myself switched to Robyn and they felt like she was putting on a show for the thread.

You give me allergies. If you survive day and night, and also post d2 like this, I will advocate your lynch.

For some reason it is hard to create a real wagon on Wilg.

Just calling a CFD on you.

Will you act like this on d2 also?

Last game I did the same w/moto. Also then i was not very vocal w/my CFD. I just give it attention and a vote.

This is the one I was thinking of. I made other posts suspecting Belzy at the same time but she only tried to play off the one where I called her/Wilgy w/w.

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca I haven't forgotten about you though. Where are you?

Just got home from work.





No I don't think you're wolfy for pushing me, cuz I don't think you're pushing me, I think you're just trying to get a rise out of me




Which is kinda towny IMO

You aren't being townie though.

What?




You crazy man, I'm prolly the towniest town who ever towned

You heard me. Why do I have to @ you for content?

What do you need right now to prove to me your alignment?

It's been a busy week for me, and I find myself lacking sleep and motivation atm.





Don't worry I know the remedy...cocaine! Or a good night sleep, I'm unsure which




I'll do the things soon, I promise