[TOWN WIN] Cool Bug Mafia

[Wiml]

Lime Coke dipping after getting pushed, not caring to solve and only coming back for a lolcat-style post gives me a good idea about his alignment atp.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Lime Coke dipping after getting pushed, not caring to solve and only coming back for a lolcat-style post gives me a good idea about his alignment atp.

same impression

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I think I've made my stance on Michelle pretty clear I think they've been excessively wolfy.

Also talked about Roxy

Yep, you got there on your own.

Would it be accurate to say that your current mafia reads are Epignosis, Michelle, and Kate in some order?

In a sense

My mafia reads are anyone and everyone that I am not town reading in no particular order

[Wiml]

I've become enlightened.

Team is:
Epi, Abigail
Epi, Kate
Wiml, Abigail
Wiml, Kate
Wilgy, Kate

Miss me wit dem @s

Are you townreading Lime Coke?

[Michelle]

Looking at Quin's posts I can't make a read based on them but also I don't feel the need to vote him today.

[Michelle]

Lime Coke dipping after getting pushed, not caring to solve and only coming back for a lolcat-style post gives me a good idea about his alignment atp.

same impression

Yes, sadly, for me as well.

[Michelle]

It feels like we have w/w wagons

[Michelle]

VC

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☆Princess Abigail☆
3
25%
Voters: Epignosis, Michelle, Kate
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Epignosis
2
17%
Voters: falcon45ca, ☆Princess Abigail☆
falcon45ca
1
8%
Voters: Lime Coke
JaggedJimmyJay
0
No votes
Voters: None
Kate
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lime Coke
3
25%
Voters: Wiml, JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
Quin
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Wiml
0
No votes
Voters: None
Unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None
Spectator
3
25%
Voters: Scotty, Seanzie, Syn
Total votes: 12

[Michelle]

I will be at work until late today but I will keep an eye on the game and answer at any questions when I have a work break

[Wiml]

It feels like we have w/w wagons

Very plausible, although I would at this rate have a strong preference for flipping Lime Coke.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Lime Coke + Kate/Abigail is the simplest solution. I probably favor LC+Kate right now, but there's ever much to discuss.

[Wiml]

My first instinct with Epi/Abigail is that they don't fit together. Epignosis has a long history of avoiding bussing, especially if it is unnecessary (and I don't believe Abigail had received votes until he showed up if I recall correctly). I welcome discussion on that, because it is the only thing Epi has done to this point apart from a blind Quin vote.

Fwiw I don't know the game but I'm under the impression that the two were w/w in a recent game on this site.

[Quin]

Gimme thoughts on Michelle please.

[Michelle]

My first instinct with Epi/Abigail is that they don't fit together. Epignosis has a long history of avoiding bussing, especially if it is unnecessary (and I don't believe Abigail had received votes until he showed up if I recall correctly). I welcome discussion on that, because it is the only thing Epi has done to this point apart from a blind Quin vote.

Fwiw I don't know the game but I'm under the impression that the two were w/w in a recent game on this site.

Busssing or not bussing depends on mafia strategy so I wouldn't base a solid read on that.
Mafia will try to do something town don't expect regarding meta - at least that's my game experience.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

You're implying if Abigail flips town we have to flip Kate?

No. I'm saying that if people believe the dichotomy between the two is valid, then they shouldn't be alive together in the final phases of the game -- folks would be forced to make a choice that'd be similar to guessing.

The dichotomy may also be invalid. I hope folks will discuss that.

Ok

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Thanks for keeping your reads open Brad, this looks good for you

Can you explain, in detail that I am sure to understand, what you mean by this gif response to post that does concern you nor contain anything posted by you?

Well see I'm playing mafia so generally speaking wolfy behavior always concerns me. Including this.

Yah I am playing mafia too I do not need that.

What is wolfy behavior that you see in this post?
Who in the post you quoted is wolfy?
Why are they wolfy?

Don't need what exactly not sure what you don't need. I responded to something I didn't like.

It was the second pockety ass last towards anyone and everyone who expressed a scum read on me a towny so yeah that's kinda wolfy fmpov as a town who's getting pushed weakly for something I do literally every game on other sites with great success.

Now that's kinda whatever omgus I get it I get all defensive over people voting me early to but what I don't do is go around uwuing anyone who 180s their read for weak reasons

This is a total word salad and I don't consider it an explanation for the read or reasons for finding me wolfy

@☆Princess Abigail☆ would you be able to put together a full list of reads? Rainbow or tiers or something like that would be super. Explanations only if you feel like it.

I mean my list is just what I've posted

Your town or your not in my eyes

You and falcon are town and I'm like at least gonna fake confidence until exelo on both those reads.

I literally have not found anyone else this game. Wiml is probably the closest thing I have to another town lock at this point in catch up his posts are inquisitive and insightful in a way that's towny in mindset in my opinion. Their questions seem to come from a place of genuine solving and not from a place of pushing a scum agenda.

Now I do need to disclose that my dyslexia is particularly awful this game so I'm struggling to read and retain a lot of Wimls posts because they are often wordy but what I do manage to understand feels pure as snow to me...

Actually writing this post has made me pretty confident

TOWN CORE

JJJ
Wiml
Falc
+3

Falcon is like exclusively just based off the fact that there's a large consensus on him being town I am in agreement though less hoorah on it but others confidence is just kinda influencing my choice since it gels with my general read direction on falc

Are you implying Falcon is town because he is thread spewed?

@☆Princess Abigail☆

Would you agree that, even if the "first three-vote wagon contains one mafioso in four names" theory is consistently accurate, that you fundamentally break it by causing the wagon to reach three votes yourself?

Yes though I've done it before. It generates content. Readable content and while I've not tracked the success of forcing the read and can't remember if it worked or not I do think there's validity in that it forced his readable content out of Michelle You Roxy...

How did you read that content for Michelle and Roxy?

I think I've made my stance on Michelle pretty clear I think they've been excessively wolfy.

Also talked about Roxy

No, your stance are far from being clear, can you restate your reasons?

You have zero desire to solve me in good faith. You have conf biased your conclusion since post one much like Epi

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Nothing I do matters

[Michelle]

It feels like we have w/w wagons

Very plausible, although I would at this rate have a strong preference for flipping Lime Coke.

I am not against it if Brad keeps avoiding the game thread

[Michelle]

Nothing I do matters

What have you done in your opinion and I should notice and change my read?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

It feels like we have w/w wagons

Lolol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Nothing I do matters

What have you done in your opinion and I should notice and change my read?

Well you know genuine solving.

Expression of thoughts.

Being squarely in my town meta and being town.

Doing more than 60% of this game.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Vote: LC

[Michelle]

I am not a fan of making walls but I do them regardless but I hate unspoilered big posts because I have to scroll on phone too much.
Add some gifs and I scroll even more.

If you can spoiler them you receive thanks for being friendly with phone posters

[Wiml]

Gimme thoughts on Michelle please.

She's likely to be town based on general solving / attitude and my understanding of how she operates as town but my read there is currently pretty stale.

[Wiml]

My first instinct with Epi/Abigail is that they don't fit together. Epignosis has a long history of avoiding bussing, especially if it is unnecessary (and I don't believe Abigail had received votes until he showed up if I recall correctly). I welcome discussion on that, because it is the only thing Epi has done to this point apart from a blind Quin vote.

Fwiw I don't know the game but I'm under the impression that the two were w/w in a recent game on this site.

Busssing or not bussing depends on mafia strategy so I wouldn't base a solid read on that.
Mafia will try to do something town don't expect regarding meta - at least that's my game experience.

Yeah, it's true that you can't just expect them to have the same dynamic between games but it's often useful to look at what those dynamics were like in the past even if to just get more information about those players or people.

It's understandable if a lot of people don't benefit from that knowledge but still worth bringing up as existing.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I am not a fan of making walls but I do them regardless but I hate unspoilered big posts because I have to scroll on phone too much.
Add some gifs and I scroll even more.

If you can spoiler them you receive thanks for being friendly with phone posters

I am also a phone poster

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Sometimes I remember but not always

[Wiml]

Phone posters based

[Michelle]

Nothing I do matters

What have you done in your opinion and I should notice and change my read?

Well you know genuine solving.

Expression of thoughts.

Being squarely in my town meta and being town.

Doing more than 60% of this game.

You can't express your read on me without generic mafia terms who can be posted in any game for any suspect you want to push.

I don't base a read on your self meta, I already said I know you have genuine tone as wolf and i know you try to mimic your town game.

If you do 60% then Jay is doing 20%, Wiml has probably 8%, Falcon has 3.78%, Kate 2.5%, Epi 2.5%, Wilgy 1.22%, Quin 1%, and I hope I did the rest of 1%?

Now really, isn't that a strech?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

...

I'm gonna get accused of faking this but

I'm fucking booooored

[Michelle]

Answer me please

[Quin]

@Neon, the reason you think nothing you say matters is because you keep shooting yourself in the foot by propping yourself on a perceived high ground and claiming infalliability. You're doing it right now.

You have good read accuracy, but the way you push them makes me not want to listen.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

...

I'm gonna get accused of faking this but

I'm fucking booooored

Remember your training, Abigail-san.

[Quin]

Genuinely not trying to be hurtful here. I'm saying it because I think you're town and I want people to listen to you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Genuinely not trying to be hurtful here. I'm saying it because I think you're town and I want people to listen to you.

I was about to ask you for an Abigail read. Thanks, and nice anticipation.

[Quin]

i didnt do it for you

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think there's a good chance that Abigail has been thrown off-balance by consistent suspicion, and that can happen to town just as easily as mafia. Consider that her mafia reads closely align with the names on her current wagon. It is easy to dismiss this as "omgus" and call it suspicious, but I don't really care about that. What are the positive things about Abigail?

However long it took, she has provided a set of town reads (and not all of them are super easy, like Roxy or DrWilgy), and that set is large enough to close a box around her. She continues to field suspicion, albeit in a frustrated and/or despondent way, while others have gone *poof* under similar pressure. There is a case to be made against her, and it's understandable for folks to view that case as compelling. I believe there are more suspicious people in this thread though.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i didnt do it for you

And yet, everything I do, I do for you. Always you. Always Quin.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Kate and @Lime Coke, please tell me all of your deepest feelings about one another.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Nothing I do matters

What have you done in your opinion and I should notice and change my read?

Well you know genuine solving.

Expression of thoughts.

Being squarely in my town meta and being town.

Doing more than 60% of this game.

You can't express your read on me without generic mafia terms who can be posted in any game for any suspect you want to push.

I don't base a read on your self meta, I already said I know you have genuine tone as wolf and i know you try to mimic your town game.

If you do 60% then Jay is doing 20%, Wiml has probably 8%, Falcon has 3.78%, Kate 2.5%, Epi 2.5%, Wilgy 1.22%, Quin 1%, and I hope I did the rest of 1%?

Now really, isn't that a strech?

No see I didn't say I'm doing 60% of total content

I said I'm doing more than 60% of the players in this game.

These are very different things.

Also... generic mafia terms exist for a reason. Because they are often true. Now mafia buzzwords are boring but also I don't scum push so like I'm not going to write you some case your gonna be happy with it will never happen

I will express my town reads and explainthem. That's what I do. And that's what I've done all game long.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

But you simply do not care about me.

You do not care about how I play

You do not care about what I do


You've already decided my alignment.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

@Neon, the reason you think nothing you say matters is because you keep shooting yourself in the foot by propping yourself on a perceived high ground and claiming infalliability. You're doing it right now.

You have good read accuracy, but the way you push them makes me not want to listen.

That's fine *shrugs*

Not sure how I change saying this person is town and here's why so that you listen

I have simply expressed my feelings.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

...

I'm gonna get accused of faking this but

I'm fucking booooored

Remember your training, Abigail-san.

I'm tryingggg so harddd and it's not workinggggg

I'm trying to not be a bitch. I'm resisting swearing I'm mostly resisting AtE I think mostly

I'm trying to work with people

It's not workinggggg JJJ I donut know what to doooooo

[Wiml]

I do have some gripes with Lime Coke.

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JJJ probably town this game the dude feels way different from his mafia game solve wise.

Michelle I'm actually leaning town on a tad bit.

Annnnd can toss a townlean on Kate and Abigail.

The last time I saw this post (the gist being "JJJ seems really town now, not like last game when he was mafia") it came from mafia WildZoo in one of the SDN games I linked for Wiml.

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Whom I THINK can be a wolf is...

....

....

THIS GUY!!!

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

falcon was my top town read as of this moment, and to drop this vote without engaging me (or anyone else town reading falcon) in some capacity is a bit off.

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JJJ probably town this game the dude feels way different from his mafia game solve wise.

Michelle I'm actually leaning town on a tad bit.

Annnnd can toss a townlean on Kate and Abigail.

Talk to me about Abigail pls

Mostly vibes while reading her posts.

Kinda farty

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Talk to me about Abigail pls

Mostly vibes while reading her posts.

She has good vibes as wolf too.

You're not wrong.

I'll see how the rest of the day plays out for her I'll tone the read down a bit.

Not sure LC cares about his Abigail read. This "tone it down" move came right after I said the same thing, but with barely any qualification or exploration of the topic.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

I broadly agree with this post as well.

"Broadly?" Why this qualifier? What does it mean? What do you specifically disagree with in this post?

"Broadly" because JJJ came to similar conclusions as I did but I didn't have the ability to comment on every single point he brought up. I was saying that I agreed with what I could comment on and agreed with the overall conclusion of the post.

To go point-by-point:

1. Can't comment on JJJ's personal experiences but I think the lazy treatment of JJJ's slot demonstrates a lack of paranoia about JJJ's alignment that I absolutely would expect from Brad (something which he displayed elsewhere in his treatment of me for example).

2. Fully in agreement. Lime Coke also went after obvtown!falcon early on after subbing into Cyberpunk and did a similar thing to described here.

3+4. Weak explanation demonstrating a lack of thought behind his reads and further demonstrating a lack of concern about accuracy. Also got the impression that he didn't care about his reads and had to back down because he couldn't justify his (poorly-conceived) reasoning.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Genuinely not trying to be hurtful here. I'm saying it because I think you're town and I want people to listen to you.

Help me understand how to change this pls I donut know what I've done wrong I donut understand

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I think there's a good chance that Abigail has been thrown off-balance by consistent suspicion, and that can happen to town just as easily as mafia. Consider that her mafia reads closely align with the names on her current wagon. It is easy to dismiss this as "omgus" and call it suspicious, but I don't really care about that. What are the positive things about Abigail?

However long it took, she has provided a set of town reads (and not all of them are super easy, like Roxy or DrWilgy), and that set is large enough to close a box around her. She continues to field suspicion, albeit in a frustrated and/or despondent way, while others have gone *poof* under similar pressure. There is a case to be made against her, and it's understandable for folks to view that case as compelling. I believe there are more suspicious people in this thread though.

Fair and valid I feel like it took longer for me to get comfy in this game... very much longer... but I'm like pretty overall content with the town core I've formed so far and think it's close to game winning

[Wiml]

Now I do need to disclose that my dyslexia is particularly awful this game so I'm struggling to read and retain a lot of Wimls posts because they are often wordy but what I do manage to understand feels pure as snow to me...

Anything I can do to make them easier for you to read?

[Wiml]

I don't think that a potential wolf-Lime Coke just gives up under pressure if one of his initial strong pushers (JJJ) is actually a wolf bussing him.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

...

I'm gonna get accused of faking this but

I'm fucking booooored

Remember your training, Abigail-san.

I'm tryingggg so harddd and it's not workinggggg

I'm trying to not be a bitch. I'm resisting swearing I'm mostly resisting AtE I think mostly

I'm trying to work with people

It's not workinggggg JJJ I donut know what to doooooo

If you're town, then you're on the right track when it comes to how you present yourself. You are doing better. Your next task is to monitor your own emotion when receiving pressure and/or you don't feel your reads are being respected (I think both lead to similar outcomes). Consider for a moment the connections that exist between your most vocal suspects and the names on your wagon. There could well be mafia among them, but there must mathematically be town too. If you can receive suspicion with calm and listen, even suspicion that you find to be unfair or silly, then you're more likely to get through to your accusers (or the viewing audience if not). You received my own initial suspicion in that way. Remember that town doesn't know your alignment and must try their best in the raw mountainous landscape to get it right. And they might fail in that effort. It's an honest mistake, just as it is when you get one wrong. Or I get one wrong. Or anyone.

Play with grace. Like I said, you're getting closer.

[Wiml]

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE, YOUNG MAN!?

Pointing this out as another point where I think town-Lime Coke would have tried to engage with me instead of superficially react but stay way clear of defending himself / trying to read me / trying to actually engage me.

(Lime Coke's post here with the big text is a joke response for people who weren't aware).

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Genuinely not trying to be hurtful here. I'm saying it because I think you're town and I want people to listen to you.

Halfway want to town read Quin for this. I appreciate that Quin addressed Abigail directly with these appeals about her presentation and specifically indicated that he thinks she is town. One can wonder about pocketing, but I think there's a clear reason for this read to exist -- Epignosis. Quin icked him, and Abigail is resisting his pressure.