ExLight - Hi, it's me. I'm Town. I made my case already. Feel free to ask me anything.
Wiml - I don't think Wiml throws a vote early on on Lime coke (#193) and then pressures that slot constantly. #230 is the last nail on the coffin, and doubles down as to why people should be focused on his lynch. I do not believe Wiml to be arrogant or cocky enough to make a good case, push, and bus a scumbud D1 under the hopes of it guaranteeing him surviving 4 more Days. I feel like the current scumreads on him are very gut feeling based, and mainly misattributed due to paranoia since he been losing it a bit and flipflopping his opinions; but as it stands, the role they played D1 in lynching Lime is what's we should be using as evidence, and it definitely earns him a spot in my Towncore.
Michelle - Pretty townie spot too. I like her interactions D1, which includes pushing for Lime early on and trying to solve some spots. Her reaction at #208 seemed genuine and I think her progression on pressuring Lime's slot felt natural. I don't agree with the reasoning behind some of her reads, like Roxy's (#438), though, but that's NAI. Her votecounts were also pretty clutch. Only paranoia I have is that Lime provided a readslist early on and pretty much everyone in it was Town (#147), which is somewhat unusual for scum to do unpromptedly, but it's really not that significant. Rereading her list now I'm a bit curious as to why she wasn't more vocal about Wilgy getting chopped before Epi on D3.
Wilgy - I do not like this slot. All of D1 was mainly jokes, and while I do understand that D1 is more jokey and harder to make real progress (specially when sick), but I wish they had assumed some more definitive stances on the topics discussed in the thread or proposed proper discussions. One of the very few thoughts they put forward was on how Town Falcon was easy to find (#405) which I believe can be a honest thought, but also a setup to following with a Night Kill on him - that thought is a bit diluted by his vote on Lime right before it (#399) because it shows consistency. Difference check comment is fine too (even though it throws shade at two Town).
It goes downhill from here. After about 15 posts of fluff (which by the way has some stuff I often see in wolfy players like joking about themselves being scum or being completely lost), post #734 saying they're not even scumreading Lime despite voting for them is frustrating, because it backpedals on one of the few takes they had other than insisting on a difference check between Kate and Abgail and theory that Wiml is pocketing him (which is also frustrating because they push for a difference check of Lime/Wiml and then later on push change that into a Wiml/Roxy under the condition of Lime flipping wolf, ignoring the fact that Wiml looks infinitely better with Lime's flip). Speaking of votes, Wilgy changes his vote onto Abgail later on (#909), which I guess I guess is coherent with his public view but adds literally nothing to the EoD since Lime was already going to be lynched - also a strange move that I see no Towny reason for specially now that we know she was Town. Funny enough, this actually makes me wonder if they jump out like this if they're expecting for a scumbud to flip but that's WIFOM.
Overall I think their current take is consistent with what they pushed for D1, but that makes their behavior D2 and D3 inconsistent - why did they push for Quin and Epi if their take has always been "Wiml is pocketing" and "diff check between Kate/Abgail"? - The simpler answer I can find is that they sheeped JJJ's offtracked readslist, which is very very very ambiguous at the very least, and can be very scummy depending on how much experience Wilgy has.
When I started writing this, Wilgy was almost as red as Roxy, but honestly, when going through my catch up again I feel like his actions can be seen as somewhat ambiguous. I do see now some of their attempts of pushing thoughts forward, even though they're disconnected from what was happening in the thread. I don't like the omission from the Lime discussion, nor the JJJ sheeping. I appreciate his replies to me and I did find the post where he tried to explain his thoughts useful to understand him as a player.
I strongly believe this is the only remaining likely choice if Roxy is Town, but as mentioned earlier I'd prefer to go over Roxy first. I do understand that this slot has been discussed a bit previously and I'd definitely prefer to not have it in the final 3 if I'm being honest, so if it might bring some peace of mind for some players I would not mind swapping my preferred order.
Roxy - Worst looking slot in my opinion. There were almost no posts contributing to the game on D1. The only remarkable thing I've seen was her hard townreading Kate, which honestly just came across as an unnecessary because Kate was NEVER under any major scrutiny in the thread. A painfully amount of the D1 content is fluff. My impression from my first read was similar to the impression I had of Wilgy where they stayed fairly distant from the whole Lime situation or other aspects discussed in-thread.
Opens up with #323, which I actually agree with as my view on loud players D1 is different from hers (ime people trying a bit too hard D1 are likely to be scum or town with a very weak role) - even so I don't think Roxy's comments adds anything to it because Kate had already explained it wasn't a serious post. I'm actually a bit confused by Kate's message in #114, are those her early scumreads or townreads? If its Kate's scumreads/PoE I feel like Roxy's message looks worse from trying to deflect it. #330 doesn't add much, #332 and #333 ping me a bit because it antagonizes the use of meta which is one of the few tools we have in a vanilla game, #341 is experience talk that doesn't add much (the statistical odds are more like around 66/33 rather than 50/50, but I guess if Abgail's are around 75/25 she might be considering indepts as scum).
#368 is a readlist and we appreciate those. Lack of view on Lime aligns with my experience with scum nullreading when talking about their scumbud early on. Falc as town but no proper Lime antagonism has the same issue as late D1 Wilgy, which is fine. Overall, it's shockingly on the fence for someone that supposedly bases the reads on guts/vibes (as she explained her Epi read in #383). Not a fan of JJJ being shaded since he was one of the main forces pushing for Lime. Overall negative impression from this list.
Almost all posts after that were fluff. Suddenly townviewing Kate is fine but her antagonizing interaction with Kate was what caused JJJ to flip their spots in his list - so it's a bit beyond my comprehension? I dunno. Pie talk, I'm not sure if it's an inside joke. No votes until last second when it doesn't matter anymore. Only comment on Lime's situation is to ask if Wiml truly think he had given up (#763) which feels like an odd question for Town: Lime had stopped trying to defend himself or push others, it certainly seemed defeatist. I don't feel comfortable the follow up (#776) either just take a stance on someone please!!!
#990 Night kill comment is the kinda scummy comment I'm used to, falcon was her only townread why was she surprised? In the same post she thanks Wiml so I'm assuming she expected Wiml to die? #1065 pushes for Wilgy/Quin/Epi.
#1368 flipflops the reads quite a bit. Suddenly Wilgy looks bad, Kate looks somewhat sus, and Wiml looks significantly worse. Everyone but Michelle and Abgail looks potentially scummy.
#1733 "No kill/elim clears anyone for me." and #1842 "Wigly is town after the last elim 100% of the time." are blatantly contradicting. She later on throws shade at Wigly by saying the reason her slot was kept alive was because or her performance at some of the latest -Los, something only Wigly would be capable of. So I'm really uncomfortable with this back and forth as it seems to again be sitting on the fence and getting ready to go for the neck of whoever she might be able to.
Not comfortable with this slot at all. She does seem to be from a different generation of mafia with different rulesets and philosophies, so I'm very interested in hearing about those because it might be affecting my reads. But as my experience with mafia goes this slot does not look good.
This took longer than I expected, past 1AM for me and I have to wake up for class 6:30AM
G'night folks. Would like to hear thoughts on my pseudo-ISO.
As of right now I'm decently leaning towards voting Roxy, still want to talk to her about her past games to get a bit of a clear view on some stuff though.