BEANS MAFIA - Day 6

[S~V~S]

Delta is mafia.

Why?

Because the host said so.

Try to keep up.

Sorry, apparently I'm behind. Can you walk me through the hosts rationale for randing Delta scum?

Let me know how you have a rationale for randomizing this or that.

See, and here I thought it was quite a clever way to say "yeah, but why is Delta scum?"...

Yeah, but why is Delta scum?

This is your last post, but the poll says you voted for Delta. I be confuzzled?

[S~V~S]

Delta is scum. Leetic is town. Dizzy is Dizzy.

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

Oh, I see. You voted for him in your second post. Did you mean this, or is it a joke vote? I remain confuzzled.

Gotta go get ready for work, rough day today, may not be here till tonight bbl.

[Delta]

My only experience with Delta was an embarrassing one for me, I opened up a spoiled chat as a mod, and the game had to be reranded. I didn't pay much attention to the gameplay after that, just the tone.

Is trying to generate discussion in a positive way a bad look for him specifically? I find that people let their guards down a bit more with positive ploys like that than with more aggressive ones. You get more flies with honey and all that. I personally get better reads that way.

I always gravitate towards keeping games positive as town or scum, it's not really AI for me either way just because I prefer games where people are genuinely enjoying playing rather than barking at each other \o/

Though from a personal POV I find it 10x easier to solve in a positive thread environment than a negative one so there's also a personal benefit to things. & as I've mentioned I'm trying to make up for a lack of experience w/ most people here by trying to get a basic grasp of how each person plays

[Delta]

Think Seanzie is most likely v, Jack slight v. SVS also lean v.

Slight concerns about Scotty as I voiced earlier \o/ unsure on Thunal as well

Rough idea of my current reads would be like

Leetic, Seanzie
SVS
Jack
Pyxxy, Epi, Dizzy, Nanook
Thunal
Scotty

Town at the top, Scum at the bottom. Though Scotty is a v weak read since there's still some names that haven't popped up. If there's any questions, just ping me w/ them & I'll get into them when I can
Something I can get into later since I'm a little busy most of today

[Delta]

Though I am curious @S~V~S, do you think Scotty plays scummy as town normally? Since you talked about always seeming to tunnel him when in games together

[S~V~S]

Though I am curious @S~V~S, do you think Scotty plays scummy as town normally? Since you talked about always seeming to tunnel him when in games together

I tend to read him that way, yeah, or to be more precise, I have problems finding him town. Last game we played I found him town pretty early, though. In a recent game, though, we civ/civ death spiraled Day One. And due to the nature of the set up we kinda toasted town somewhat. So I don’t like gut reading him tbh.

I haven’t seen enough from him yet to even understand why he’s taking suspish. Can this be summarized for me, or is it just a tone thing?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Theres an alarming lack of easy reads in this game, I might have to actually try, there's only like 4 people I feel good about reading lol

[Seanzie]

Delta is scum. Leetic is town. Dizzy is Dizzy.

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

Elaborate.

Okay, all kidding aside, you've got the right combination of aggressiveness and seriousness that I associate with town excited to get the game going (seriousness without aggression is wolfy, but with the aggression is townie).

Delta feels like they have a friend-making evil agenda, and the "what's your favorite alignment? Do you hyperpost?" questions feel less like Delta is just trying to get to know people, and more like they are looking for things that they can eventually knitpick about others. Granted, the "who do you know?" question is valid.

I think I know everyone except for Leetic, btw.

Delta is friend. Delta would never hurt you :3

I get your concerns about me coming across overly friendly, it's something that happens to me in a lot of my games, but how exactly am I meant to nitpick about any of these down the line?

They're just building blocks for me to work off of since people seem to have a decent sense of familiarity with each other here & most people here are fairly new to me in comparison.

Appreciate the answer for the last question nonetheless \o/ I think your concerns are probably townie? But I dont get how I'm meant to nitpick about these ;_;

"Oh Seanzie said his favorite alignment is town and he usually hyperposts. The fact that he isn't hyperposting probably means he doesn't like his alignment". Your questions could be a setup to nitpick largely NAI things like that. They COULD also be just friendly questions, but they could have agenda.

[Seanzie]

Delta is mafia.

Why?

Because the host said so.

Try to keep up.

Sorry, apparently I'm behind. Can you walk me through the hosts rationale for randing Delta scum?

Let me know how you have a rationale for randomizing this or that.

See, and here I thought it was quite a clever way to say "yeah, but why is Delta scum?"...

Yeah, but why is Delta scum?

This is your last post, but the poll says you voted for Delta. I be confuzzled?

At this stage of the game, I am more concerned with pushing people to generate content than I am with having people vote with me. Also, I am always wary of people who agree with me - if there is scum piggybacking on a push I make, I want to know sooner rather than later.

[Seanzie]

Delta is scum. Leetic is town. Dizzy is Dizzy.

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

Oh, I see. You voted for him in your second post. Did you mean this, or is it a joke vote? I remain confuzzled.

Gotta go get ready for work, rough day today, may not be here till tonight bbl.

It is a serious vote.

[Delta]

Though I am curious @S~V~S, do you think Scotty plays scummy as town normally? Since you talked about always seeming to tunnel him when in games together

I tend to read him that way, yeah, or to be more precise, I have problems finding him town. Last game we played I found him town pretty early, though. In a recent game, though, we civ/civ death spiraled Day One. And due to the nature of the set up we kinda toasted town somewhat. So I don’t like gut reading him tbh.

I haven’t seen enough from him yet to even understand why he’s taking suspish. Can this be summarized for me, or is it just a tone thing?

More of a tone thing, I felt the pushback on Leetic trying to kick things off was a little odd & just wasn't too sure about it. Will keep what you said in mind \o/

[Delta]

Delta is scum. Leetic is town. Dizzy is Dizzy.

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

Elaborate.

Okay, all kidding aside, you've got the right combination of aggressiveness and seriousness that I associate with town excited to get the game going (seriousness without aggression is wolfy, but with the aggression is townie).

Delta feels like they have a friend-making evil agenda, and the "what's your favorite alignment? Do you hyperpost?" questions feel less like Delta is just trying to get to know people, and more like they are looking for things that they can eventually knitpick about others. Granted, the "who do you know?" question is valid.

I think I know everyone except for Leetic, btw.

Delta is friend. Delta would never hurt you :3

I get your concerns about me coming across overly friendly, it's something that happens to me in a lot of my games, but how exactly am I meant to nitpick about any of these down the line?

They're just building blocks for me to work off of since people seem to have a decent sense of familiarity with each other here & most people here are fairly new to me in comparison.

Appreciate the answer for the last question nonetheless \o/ I think your concerns are probably townie? But I dont get how I'm meant to nitpick about these ;_;

"Oh Seanzie said his favorite alignment is town and he usually hyperposts. The fact that he isn't hyperposting probably means he doesn't like his alignment". Your questions could be a setup to nitpick largely NAI things like that. They COULD also be just friendly questions, but they could have agenda.

OH okay I see your concern now

It is just a thing of trying to start things off since I usually suck at breaking games open but I can see where you're coming from.

I'm just after a rough idea of how people play, I dont want to use these to form my pushes since it's a little silly to do so - would much rather focus on what actually happens content wise

[Delta]

Theres an alarming lack of easy reads in this game, I might have to actually try, there's only like 4 people I feel good about reading lol

Who are those 4 people?

[Thunal33]

Tbf, I've seen Delta play in his champs games and he played like this in his qualifier. I don't think him being overly friendly/talkative is AI.

[Thunal33]

You're scum.

OMGUS

How so?

It's an unnecessary reaction to being lightly prodded

I think it was meant more in jest, knowing my relationship with Thunal, however I can see why you'd think this, and I think your comment likely means more about your alignment than Thunals.

However, while I don't really see it as OMGUS, I am slightly worried that it is a deflection.

It was a joke, and I'm also perfectly capable of throwing out snap takes I have no confidence in as town or scum. What would I be deflecting from?

By joking, while also giving one of the reads that is hardest for the questioner to really create content responding to, you deflect further scrutiny from me based on your answers.

I do not doubt you can give snap reads as scum, but doing so invites attention. Perhaps unwanted attention.

I didn't think about any of that.

Tbh, this and the paranoia about Delta's questions are probably towny for you.

[Thunal33]

I think SVS giving an early townlean on Epi is towny for her too.

[Scotty]

Haven’t read since yesterday

Currently in the midst of packing and moving and I’m contemplating hiring someone to commit arson and burn down the place to collect insurance money because it’s all so stressful.

[Scotty]

I’m not voting for delta on day 1 because I don’t know them

[leetic]

Theres an alarming lack of easy reads in this game, I might have to actually try, there's only like 4 people I feel good about reading lol

May I ask who those are?

[leetic]

I think SVS giving an early townlean on Epi is towny for her too.

Can you give more elaboration on this read?

[leetic]

LinearPoint, DrWilgy, Roxy, and Long Con are the ones still slanking

[leetic]

I’m not voting for delta on day 1 because I don’t know them

Who are you voting for? Do you have any thoughts on Delta beyond not knowing them?

[DrWilgy]

[Delta]

Wilgy!!

[Thunal33]

I think SVS giving an early townlean on Epi is towny for her too.

Can you give more elaboration on this read?

She tends to hide more as mafia early, so giving a townlean on a player who people might really question her townlean on looks good imo.

[DrWilgy]

Wilgy!!

Wassup homie?

[leetic]

Wilgy!!

Wassup homie?

GTH on Delta, Seanzie, Thunal?

[leetic]

Barely anyone has voted, which is doing wonders for this game's staticity. I would thus give town points to those who have already voted, aside from Dyslexicon because again, self-vote.

[Seanzie]

Barely anyone has voted, which is doing wonders for this game's staticity. I would thus give town points to those who have already voted, aside from Dyslexicon because again, self-vote.

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine

[LinearPoint]

It's been a while since I forgot about this starting...But glad to see everyone is sprouting. Sad no one made a green bean or red bean joke about alignments though. Heck no one even made a vanilla bean joke, sad times indeed.

At first glance I'm not really liking leetic that much. As a whole their posts just look performative to me like they are trying to just go through the motions of looking town than actually trying to reach any sort of conclusions from anything they are doing. Like they keep talking about lurkers and using GTH for others, but they never really seem to follow up with lurker's posting or the responses to people after GTH (which is kind of the whole point of GTH).

Thunal is another person I took note of. They have a lot of town reads which makes me lean on them having TMI. I'm curious if they have anything that isn't a town lean or null.

The last early thoughts I have are that I'm liking Scotty and pyxxy so far. Scotty also had this thing which was a minor point aligning with what i was thinking for leetic.

[Thunal33]

Let's get this game going.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

[Thunal33]

It's been a while since I forgot about this starting...But glad to see everyone is sprouting. Sad no one made a green bean or red bean joke about alignments though. Heck no one even made a vanilla bean joke, sad times indeed.

At first glance I'm not really liking leetic that much. As a whole their posts just look performative to me like they are trying to just go through the motions of looking town than actually trying to reach any sort of conclusions from anything they are doing. Like they keep talking about lurkers and using GTH for others, but they never really seem to follow up with lurker's posting or the responses to people after GTH (which is kind of the whole point of GTH).

Thunal is another person I took note of. They have a lot of town reads which makes me lean on them having TMI. I'm curious if they have anything that isn't a town lean or null.

The last early thoughts I have are that I'm liking Scotty and pyxxy so far. Scotty also had this thing which was a minor point aligning with what i was thinking for leetic.

It's not really a scum read, but I'm voting Scotty because he didn't follow up on the self awareness comment he made and I think there's a good chance pressure helps me find him if he's town. I weakly townleaned Leetic since I feel like someone I'm unfamiliar with as scum would pick a different target to initially pressure than me. I agree sometimes leetic feels self aware, but for all I know that could be their playstyle and I've incorrectly scumread enough self-aware townies that I don't really think it's AI in general.

[leetic]

It's been a while since I forgot about this starting...But glad to see everyone is sprouting. Sad no one made a green bean or red bean joke about alignments though. Heck no one even made a vanilla bean joke, sad times indeed.

Fluff.

At first glance I'm not really liking leetic that much. As a whole their posts just look performative to me like they are trying to just go through the motions of looking town than actually trying to reach any sort of conclusions from anything they are doing. Like they keep talking about lurkers and using GTH for others, but they never really seem to follow up with lurker's posting or the responses to people after GTH (which is kind of the whole point of GTH).

Have you been paying attention? I've been trying to get people involved in the game.

Thunal is another person I took note of. They have a lot of town reads which makes me lean on them having TMI. I'm curious if they have anything that isn't a town lean or null.

What is TMI about it? Do you feel their reads are contrived? I don't see this as much of an argument, scum would usually try to get a bit of shading in

The last early thoughts I have are that I'm liking Scotty and pyxxy so far. Scotty also had this thing which was a minor point aligning with what i was thinking for leetic.

"Liking" someone isn't a read. Do you have any thoughts on pyxxy or any on Scotty besides maybe agreeing with them on one thing?

[Delta]

@leetic

Whenever you're around, can you give me a rough outline of how you're reading people right now? Thank you \o/

[leetic]

Since nothing is happening, I'll keep things moving by voting [VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine for their contrived "reads" that I pointed out above. Still not a fan of Jack's opener and how he immediately dipped, though.

[Delta]

It's been a while since I forgot about this starting...But glad to see everyone is sprouting. Sad no one made a green bean or red bean joke about alignments though. Heck no one even made a vanilla bean joke, sad times indeed.

At first glance I'm not really liking leetic that much. As a whole their posts just look performative to me like they are trying to just go through the motions of looking town than actually trying to reach any sort of conclusions from anything they are doing. Like they keep talking about lurkers and using GTH for others, but they never really seem to follow up with lurker's posting or the responses to people after GTH (which is kind of the whole point of GTH).

Thunal is another person I took note of. They have a lot of town reads which makes me lean on them having TMI. I'm curious if they have anything that isn't a town lean or null.

The last early thoughts I have are that I'm liking Scotty and pyxxy so far. Scotty also had this thing which was a minor point aligning with what i was thinking for leetic.

Unfortunately I'm not funny and the thought didn't even come to mind to make any of these. :o(

Do you think you can expand on your read on pyxxy? Everyone else got an explanation so curious about your thoughts there :O

[leetic]

@leetic

Whenever you're around, can you give me a rough outline of how you're reading people right now? Thank you \o/

Delta Seanzie Thunal GTH town

Scotty Jack LP GTH scum

Still don't like Dyslexicon's self-vote, and even if it is RVS they dipped immediately so why?

I'll post in more detail when I'm on my laptop

[Delta]

@leetic

Whenever you're around, can you give me a rough outline of how you're reading people right now? Thank you \o/

Delta Seanzie Thunal GTH town

Scotty Jack LP GTH scum

Still don't like Dyslexicon's self-vote, and even if it is RVS they dipped immediately so why?

I'll post in more detail when I'm on my laptop

Where would you place pyxxy?

No rush \o/ I'm hovering if there's anything you want to ask me in return. Things feel a little slow so I'd like to get a conversation going and hopefully we can get somewhere

[leetic]

@leetic

Whenever you're around, can you give me a rough outline of how you're reading people right now? Thank you \o/

Delta Seanzie Thunal GTH town

Scotty Jack LP GTH scum

Still don't like Dyslexicon's self-vote, and even if it is RVS they dipped immediately so why?

I'll post in more detail when I'm on my laptop

Where would you place pyxxy?

No rush \o/ I'm hovering if there's anything you want to ask me in return. Things feel a little slow so I'd like to get a conversation going and hopefully we can get somewhere

Their posts have not left an impression on me, and looking back at them it's easy to see why. It's entirely fluffposts/CWAC. GTH scum for that reason

[leetic]

I've bean training for this game my entire life

Fluff.

I've played 6 games of forum mafia this year and was only town in 2 of them. So mathematically, there's a 100% chance I'm town this game.

been weighing on you?

Light shading/fluff.

Just for those who I haven't played with, a few questions just for me to get a rough idea of how each of you play \o/

Preferred alignment?
Do you tend to hyperpost or not too often?
Do you have experience playing with anyone else here?

Maybe silly to pose these for a casual game but helps me keep up so I'd appreciate people answering them

Preferred alignment? - I'm a side sleeper
Do you tend to hyperpost or not too often? - if I get going
Do you have experience playing with anyone else here? - yessirreebob

Note how they don't even commit to any of the answers.

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine for continuing to lurk, what are you even doing?

this post hurt me [complimentary]

Fluff, no real judgement here'

Do you have anything besides introductions? What's your read on Scotty?

Good timing :o
It's mainly introductions, I wanted to be around for most people getting here so I could get stuck into things but since things are quiet I'm struggling a little & I didnt really want to miss this and have all of my reads being from backreading off the word go.

I dont think there's much to his intro? Aside from slank cover. I've never played w him before so I dont fully know what to expect, which is why I gave my few little questions to try ease into things

Would you say he's GTH town or scum?

I honestly dont know ;_; I liked the beans reference because haha beans game, not sure about the 'woah why so pushy' thing but I dont think I could give a GTH read either way because there's so little there right now & I dont think it's impossible to say that it could come from either alignment

Will swing your question back on you though because I'm assuming off of Scotty's reaction that you've played w/ each other before, should I take his introduction as AI?

The whole point of a GTH is that it doesn't have to be based on anything, "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer

Last time I played with him is years ago. However, regardless of player you can always tell something from introduction posts. I know my introduction would be different had I randed a different alignment

This reeks of hyper self awareness and I don’t think you really mean that

yeah hey that's my lane

Minor shading/fluff.

@pyxxy Why are you lurking? Don't you have any thoughts on the game?

Who posted - BEANS MAFIA - Day 1 - 91 replies
User NamePosts
leetic 26
Delta 16
Seanzie 16
Scotty 7
Thunal33 7
Jackofhearts2005 4
Dyslexicon 3
Epignosis 3
Justplayingitcool 3
S~V~S 2

15 players. 48/24 phases - game will be closed during the night phase. Closed setup. No hammers and it is not a bastard game.

Players

LinearPoint
Scotty
S~V~S
DrWilgy
Seanzie
Thunal33
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Delta
pyxxy
Epignosis
Roxy
leetic
Long Con
Dyslexicon
Jackofhearts2005

Maybe theyhad posted before, but can you blame me for not noticing? Fluff, only point here is "leetic was wrong about something" and it's only implied.

second time playing with epi he feels like the first game I couldn't stop sussing him so I'm just gonna label him as a good bean for now

bedtime

Closest thing to an actual read, and it's still noncommittal.

Just for those who I haven't played with, a few questions just for me to get a rough idea of how each of you play \o/

Preferred alignment?
Do you tend to hyperpost or not too often?
Do you have experience playing with anyone else here?

Maybe silly to pose these for a casual game but helps me keep up so I'd appreciate people answering them

Preferred alignment? - I'm a side sleeper
Do you tend to hyperpost or not too often? - if I get going
Do you have experience playing with anyone else here? - yessirreebob

Fluff.

Nothing but fluff, light shading, and a noncommittal read on Epignosis. @LinearPoint is this really one of your bigger townreads?

[Delta]

Yeah I am kinda curious as to how pyxxy snuck onto that list so ?_? we shall see I suppose \o/

Looking at your own placements, I dont necessarily think Jack's entrance is GTH scummy? There's a bit of a 'idgaf' sort of nature to it but I dont think it's inherently wolfy & I didn't mind it too much myself, so kinda curious ab how you read it

I get being worried about the inactivity afterwards but I dont think I'd necessarily lean Jack scum until things are in full swing :o though I do wonder how many times I'll say that because this feels a little quiet ;_;

[leetic]

Yeah I am kinda curious as to how pyxxy snuck onto that list so ?_? we shall see I suppose \o/

Looking at your own placements, I dont necessarily think Jack's entrance is GTH scummy? There's a bit of a 'idgaf' sort of nature to it but I dont think it's inherently wolfy & I didn't mind it too much myself, so kinda curious ab how you read it

I get being worried about the inactivity afterwards but I dont think I'd necessarily lean Jack scum until things are in full swing :o though I do wonder how many times I'll say that because this feels a little quiet ;_;

I'd be fine with Jack's entrence, if it weren't for the fact that he did basically nothing else and dipped immediately afterward

[Delta]

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

@Scotty whenever you're around, let's talk \o/

You mentioned not wanting to vote me since we haven't played together so this in return feels a little cruel :,) can you give me an idea of how you're reading people right now? We'll work from there \o/

[leetic]

There's also the fact that the two player LP "liked" were the two who lightly shaded me. Pocketing attempt, perhaps?

[Scotty]

I’m not voting for delta on day 1 because I don’t know them

Who are you voting for? Do you have any thoughts on Delta beyond not knowing them?

Based on the two pages I’ve read, I think delta is acting more like a beta and is afraid to take a stance on me. The idk on a GTH on me is one of those

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

@Scotty whenever you're around, let's talk \o/

You mentioned not wanting to vote me since we haven't played together so this in return feels a little cruel :,) can you give me an idea of how you're reading people right now? We'll work from there \o/

hi, what is cruel praytell?

My philosophy is in my homesite, if I don’t know you I ain’t voting you in D1 unless there is exactly one wolf in the setup and I suspect you.

I do currently suspect you, btw
I don’t think there’s only one wolf pretending to be a bean

[leetic]

I’m not voting for delta on day 1 because I don’t know them

Who are you voting for? Do you have any thoughts on Delta beyond not knowing them?

Based on the two pages I’ve read, I think delta is acting more like a beta and is afraid to take a stance on me. The idk on a GTH on me is one of those

What are your thoughts on LP's opener? They mentioned you as one of two people they "liked", thoughts on that?

[Scotty]

I don’t like Seanzie’s posts. They’re strong stances, like a 4th position in ballet.

But no one ever uses 4th position in practice

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

[leetic]

I don’t like Seanzie’s posts. They’re strong stances, like a 4th position in ballet.

But no one ever uses 4th position in practice

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

What's wrong with strong stances? Are there any particular posts from Seanzie that you "don't like"?

[leetic]

Overall, LP's opener still feels like the most artificial post in the game, particularly with their read on Thunal and that they "like" pixxy