BEANS MAFIA - Day 6

[Delta]

Leetic I'll go through your reads in a bit \o/ thank you for the ping & explanations

[Delta]

Pyxxy feels townie to me reading back so would bump him up in my own reads

I need to sit down and sctually put my thoughts down with how I'm reading everyone but havent had the chance to yet x_x it's on the backburner though

[Dyslexicon]

@Thunal33 I still don't like the Delta post. I don't understand why they would be "spooked" by someone not voting them because it's the first time playing with him. I can understand thinking it's weird or annoying because it robs them of information or just kind of anti-town cause it creates artificial dynamics (I kind of think all these things myself). But I read his posts as being paranoid about how it could be used against them later or as a cop out as mafia. Which first of all, didn't happen, because Scotty gave a read on Delta. And second of all, I don't know really. I'm trying to imagine being Delta in a new community and then this is happening. I kind of think Delta is way too smart to be like "maybe this is nefarious!" and kind of just see it as what it is, which is (imo unnecessary) nicety, which isn't really AI. But I'm spending way too many words on this compared to how little of a deal it actually is for me.

I also don't have any wolf reads. I guess Leetic's GTH, I'd say Delta and LC are falling towards the bottom of the list. But don't take that too seriously yet.

I mentioned in my post that it happened in the last game I played as well where the main read I was given from others was just 'you're funny so you can live :3' and a lot of fencesitting. For 5 days. So I think it's reasonable to not really want to deal with that again ;_;

It is kind of a thing of 'I dont want people witholding their reads' alongside 'I dont want people using it as a cop out' & I said it in my original post that I'd rather be voted and have people be vocal about how they're reading me because it's easier for me to work with, so I dont fully get how you read that and solely thought 'Delta's paranoia is wolfy' ?_?

I don’t solely think that. I solely think very few things.

However, Scotty was vocal about how they were reading you. Do you not agree?
And Roxy didn’t read anyone.
And these were the two people saying they wouldn’t vote you.

So I think your paranoia doesn’t really match what happened in this game.

But like, if you’re all eeek uwu about it from past experience, then werk.

[DrWilgy]

10 pages of beans. Someone provide argument as to who I should sheep.

[leetic]

10 pages of beans. Someone provide argument as to who I should sheep.

GTH on Delta and Dyslexicon?

[DrWilgy]

10 pages of beans. Someone provide argument as to who I should sheep.

GTH on Delta and Dyslexicon?

Bad
Bad

[leetic]

10 pages of beans. Someone provide argument as to who I should sheep.

GTH on Delta and Dyslexicon?

Bad
Bad

GTH on me and Seanzie?

[DrWilgy]

10 pages of beans. Someone provide argument as to who I should sheep.

GTH on Delta and Dyslexicon?

Bad
Bad

GTH on me and Seanzie?

Bad
Bad

[leetic]

10 pages of beans. Someone provide argument as to who I should sheep.

GTH on Delta and Dyslexicon?

Bad
Bad

GTH on me and Seanzie?

Bad
Bad

Do you have any GTH town?

[DrWilgy]

10 pages of beans. Someone provide argument as to who I should sheep.

GTH on Delta and Dyslexicon?

Bad
Bad

GTH on me and Seanzie?

Bad
Bad

Do you have any GTH town?

No, why would I?

[Roxy]

psypsypsypsypsythe

Can you, in very simple terms like speaking to my granddaughter simple, explain what this means or is?

[leetic]

10 pages of beans. Someone provide argument as to who I should sheep.

GTH on Delta and Dyslexicon?

Bad
Bad

GTH on me and Seanzie?

Bad
Bad

Do you have any GTH town?

No, why would I?

Because you're playing the game?

[leetic]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine Come on, you have the emptiest ISO of anyone in the game, get going.

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine Come on, you have the emptiest ISO of anyone in the game, get going.

This is scummy lol.

If the implication is that I haven't read, why would I have gth takes?

[leetic]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine Come on, you have the emptiest ISO of anyone in the game, get going.

This is scummy lol.

If the implication is that I haven't read, why would I have gth takes?

You're in the thread, are you not? You can see other people's posts? Don't you have any feelings from them?

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine Come on, you have the emptiest ISO of anyone in the game, get going.

This is scummy lol.

If the implication is that I haven't read, why would I have gth takes?

You're in the thread, are you not? You can see other people's posts? Don't you have any feelings from them?

I've read Delta telling me hi and you asking for gth.

So no.

[leetic]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine Come on, you have the emptiest ISO of anyone in the game, get going.

This is scummy lol.

If the implication is that I haven't read, why would I have gth takes?

You're in the thread, are you not? You can see other people's posts? Don't you have any feelings from them?

I've read Delta telling me hi and you asking for gth.

So no.

Well, you have interactions now, don't you? What makes my post "scummy"?

[DrWilgy]

10 pages of beans. Someone provide argument as to who I should sheep.

This was quite literally how I joined game. Asking for immediate tldr. Why as an informed player would I do this for post 3?

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine Come on, you have the emptiest ISO of anyone in the game, get going.

This is scummy lol.

If the implication is that I haven't read, why would I have gth takes?

You're in the thread, are you not? You can see other people's posts? Don't you have any feelings from them?

I've read Delta telling me hi and you asking for gth.

So no.

Well, you have interactions now, don't you? What makes my post "scummy"?

"If the implication is that I haven't read, why would I have gth takes?"

[leetic]

10 pages of beans. Someone provide argument as to who I should sheep.

This was quite literally how I joined game. Asking for immediate tldr. Why as an informed player would I do this for post 3?

Are you not going to read any posts?

[leetic]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine Come on, you have the emptiest ISO of anyone in the game, get going.

This is scummy lol.

If the implication is that I haven't read, why would I have gth takes?

You're in the thread, are you not? You can see other people's posts? Don't you have any feelings from them?

I've read Delta telling me hi and you asking for gth.

So no.

Well, you have interactions now, don't you? What makes my post "scummy"?

"If the implication is that I haven't read, why would I have gth takes?"

You don't have to be "informed" to do GTH, that's the whole point

[Delta]

@Thunal33 I still don't like the Delta post. I don't understand why they would be "spooked" by someone not voting them because it's the first time playing with him. I can understand thinking it's weird or annoying because it robs them of information or just kind of anti-town cause it creates artificial dynamics (I kind of think all these things myself). But I read his posts as being paranoid about how it could be used against them later or as a cop out as mafia. Which first of all, didn't happen, because Scotty gave a read on Delta. And second of all, I don't know really. I'm trying to imagine being Delta in a new community and then this is happening. I kind of think Delta is way too smart to be like "maybe this is nefarious!" and kind of just see it as what it is, which is (imo unnecessary) nicety, which isn't really AI. But I'm spending way too many words on this compared to how little of a deal it actually is for me.

I also don't have any wolf reads. I guess Leetic's GTH, I'd say Delta and LC are falling towards the bottom of the list. But don't take that too seriously yet.

I mentioned in my post that it happened in the last game I played as well where the main read I was given from others was just 'you're funny so you can live :3' and a lot of fencesitting. For 5 days. So I think it's reasonable to not really want to deal with that again ;_;

It is kind of a thing of 'I dont want people witholding their reads' alongside 'I dont want people using it as a cop out' & I said it in my original post that I'd rather be voted and have people be vocal about how they're reading me because it's easier for me to work with, so I dont fully get how you read that and solely thought 'Delta's paranoia is wolfy' ?_?

I don’t solely think that. I solely think very few things.

However, Scotty was vocal about how they were reading you. Do you not agree?
And Roxy didn’t read anyone.
And these were the two people saying they wouldn’t vote you.

So I think your paranoia doesn’t really match what happened in this game.

But like, if you’re all eeek uwu about it from past experience, then werk.

My whole issue was 'I dont really want this happening' since that was the second instance. Scotty did give a take on me & Roxy hadn't made reads at that point, I know that, but my whole issue was "this generally is a little worrying & I'm worried this could happen". Those two points can coexist !_!

My paranoia is about what could happen, not what has happened

[Delta]

10 pages of beans. Someone provide argument as to who I should sheep.

GTH on Delta and Dyslexicon?

Bad
Bad

Why do you read me this way?

[Delta]

psypsypsypsypsythe

Can you, in very simple terms like speaking to my granddaughter simple, explain what this means or is?

Psypsythe is a player from a diff site iirc?

I'm not really sure about the resemblance though

[DrWilgy]

10 pages of beans. Someone provide argument as to who I should sheep.

This was quite literally how I joined game. Asking for immediate tldr. Why as an informed player would I do this for post 3?

Are you not going to read any posts?

I will eventually. Just not right now.

[leetic]

10 pages of beans. Someone provide argument as to who I should sheep.

This was quite literally how I joined game. Asking for immediate tldr. Why as an informed player would I do this for post 3?

Are you not going to read any posts?

I will eventually. Just not right now.

What are you even doing right now if not reading?

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine Come on, you have the emptiest ISO of anyone in the game, get going.

This is scummy lol.

If the implication is that I haven't read, why would I have gth takes?

You're in the thread, are you not? You can see other people's posts? Don't you have any feelings from them?

I've read Delta telling me hi and you asking for gth.

So no.

Well, you have interactions now, don't you? What makes my post "scummy"?

"If the implication is that I haven't read, why would I have gth takes?"

You don't have to be "informed" to do GTH, that's the whole point

But you do? GTH isn't an exercise to force opinions from nothing, it's an exercise to solidify reads regardless of how minimal they may be. The reads still need to be existing otherwise you get "bad, bad, bad, bad, bad..." As a baseline.

[DrWilgy]

10 pages of beans. Someone provide argument as to who I should sheep.

GTH on Delta and Dyslexicon?

Bad
Bad

Why do you read me this way?

Because your a cutie

[DrWilgy]

10 pages of beans. Someone provide argument as to who I should sheep.

This was quite literally how I joined game. Asking for immediate tldr. Why as an informed player would I do this for post 3?

Are you not going to read any posts?

I will eventually. Just not right now.

What are you even doing right now if not reading?

Trying to fix some SQL for work while talking to you during run times.

[leetic]

This is scummy lol.

If the implication is that I haven't read, why would I have gth takes?

You're in the thread, are you not? You can see other people's posts? Don't you have any feelings from them?

I've read Delta telling me hi and you asking for gth.

So no.

Well, you have interactions now, don't you? What makes my post "scummy"?

"If the implication is that I haven't read, why would I have gth takes?"

You don't have to be "informed" to do GTH, that's the whole point

But you do? GTH isn't an exercise to force opinions from nothing, it's an exercise to solidify reads regardless of how minimal they may be. The reads still need to be existing otherwise you get "bad, bad, bad, bad, bad..." As a baseline.

GTH is mainly a reason to get a player to commit to a side, for whatever reason, and is useful for crossreferencing with other players/later reads. It can be based on "vibes" or "feelings" or nothing at all. Also, why is bad the default and not good?

[DrWilgy]

You're in the thread, are you not? You can see other people's posts? Don't you have any feelings from them?

I've read Delta telling me hi and you asking for gth.

So no.

Well, you have interactions now, don't you? What makes my post "scummy"?

"If the implication is that I haven't read, why would I have gth takes?"

You don't have to be "informed" to do GTH, that's the whole point

But you do? GTH isn't an exercise to force opinions from nothing, it's an exercise to solidify reads regardless of how minimal they may be. The reads still need to be existing otherwise you get "bad, bad, bad, bad, bad..." As a baseline.

GTH is mainly a reason to get a player to commit to a side, for whatever reason, and is useful for crossreferencing with other players/later reads. It can be based on "vibes" or "feelings" or nothing at all. Also, why is bad the default and not good?

Personal preference. I give too much leeway to people if I default good.

[leetic]

I've read Delta telling me hi and you asking for gth.

So no.

Well, you have interactions now, don't you? What makes my post "scummy"?

"If the implication is that I haven't read, why would I have gth takes?"

You don't have to be "informed" to do GTH, that's the whole point

But you do? GTH isn't an exercise to force opinions from nothing, it's an exercise to solidify reads regardless of how minimal they may be. The reads still need to be existing otherwise you get "bad, bad, bad, bad, bad..." As a baseline.

GTH is mainly a reason to get a player to commit to a side, for whatever reason, and is useful for crossreferencing with other players/later reads. It can be based on "vibes" or "feelings" or nothing at all. Also, why is bad the default and not good?

Personal preference. I give too much leeway to people if I default good.

Well, you've had enough interactions with me that you should be able to glean something. Based solely on my interactions with you and pretending the rest of the thread doesn't exist, do you think I'm more likely town or mafia?

[Delta]

10 pages of beans. Someone provide argument as to who I should sheep.

GTH on Delta and Dyslexicon?

Bad
Bad

Why do you read me this way?

Because your a cutie

[leetic]

10 pages of beans. Someone provide argument as to who I should sheep.

GTH on Delta and Dyslexicon?

Bad
Bad

Why do you read me this way?

Because your a cutie

GTH on Wilgy?

[S~V~S]

GTH, Wilgy is a Doctor

[Delta]

10 pages of beans. Someone provide argument as to who I should sheep.

GTH on Delta and Dyslexicon?

Bad
Bad

Why do you read me this way?

Because your a cutie

GTH on Wilgy?

Town I think?

Similar to Roxy where he reaffirms he wants to take things at his own pace & the only game I've had where he was a wolf, when he did pop up his initial posts were a little odd & a cluster of work then back to chilling. Here I can buy him being genuine about how he takes things & I think his point about not wanting to be too generous with townreads is genuine

[Delta]

GTH, Wilgy is a Doctor

That too \o/

[leetic]

GTH, Wilgy is a Doctor

You're not supposed to out PR softs!

How do you read pyxxy?

[Thunal33]

So far I townlean leetic, SVS, Seanzie, and Dizzy. Dizzy's whole approach of playing to test his accuracy and then getting sucked into the game anyway is towny imo.

I'm intrigued by the list followed by the outlier explanation here.

Thunal and Dys are teammates.

Perhaps, but also Dizzy is a weird sell of a townlean there, so I could see Thun including extra info to cover that base. IMO SVS is also a little bit of a weird sell at that point, so I'd be curious to hear from @Thunal33 why they included SVS.

I don't think Dizzy was a weird sell and I wasn't even the only one townleaning him. Initially I thought SVS's Epi townlean was a good look for her, and in general she's been fearless and prodding which I think is towny for her.

[Seanzie]

10 pages of beans. Someone provide argument as to who I should sheep.

Sheep me. Vote LP (I know I'm not voting LP, but I iikely will be soon).

Argument: Because I said so.

[Roxy]

Thoughts on the thread and some people in it:


Delta sorry but not. I have zero feelings about your alignment you come across as neither town or mafia

leetic got nothing about your alignment even tho you post a lot. Your forcefulness makes me want to read you as bad but I stopped myself just bc your style clashes with mine does not make you bad now if only you could get your townieness to shine through all your posts telling others how to play or what thoughts they should be having or reads they are allowed to have. Maybe try playing *without* telling others how to not play and I may poss see you as town but rn I got nothing. Also if you were a different alignment how would you have opened the game?

SVS really? I do this in almost every game I have ever played way back to our first game on STV. I gave everyone of you from LP a free first day. If I have not played with someone then I free pass them d 1.

Why some may ask...well bc I do not know them nor their style so trying to find them as bad is near impossible for me especially on D 1. Not a good enough reason? Get over it.

Thunal I feel you hiding in plain sight. Too agreeable, too much fence sitting which is something I do not remember you doing before. You vibe and tone read no goodness for me to find.

Epi fourth highest poster at a time that you claim you are busy. I believe in the last game you played the total of posts was wwwaaayyy less than what you have done here. Then say you do not have any real reads. You posted about your Delta vote and not finding the reason for it to finding the reason then going in another direction. Does not scream "hey I am just town Epi". I am not yet sure what to make of your post count yet but I have noted it.

Scotty I actually agreed with your post about leetic's self awareness and really disliked the part about leetic saying that he would have came in with a different opener if he were a different alignment. So far I find you ok.

LP loved how your one post inspired so many others. Opened discussion in a non confrontational way thank you. Can you explain your Pyxxy town read?

Nothing else to say at this moment. I will be around.

[Seanzie]

Thoughts on the thread and some people in it:


Delta sorry but not. I have zero feelings about your alignment you come across as neither town or mafia

leetic got nothing about your alignment even tho you post a lot. Your forcefulness makes me want to read you as bad but I stopped myself just bc your style clashes with mine does not make you bad now if only you could get your townieness to shine through all your posts telling others how to play or what thoughts they should be having or reads they are allowed to have. Maybe try playing *without* telling others how to not play and I may poss see you as town but rn I got nothing. Also if you were a different alignment how would you have opened the game?

SVS really? I do this in almost every game I have ever played way back to our first game on STV. I gave everyone of you from LP a free first day. If I have not played with someone then I free pass them d 1.

Why some may ask...well bc I do not know them nor their style so trying to find them as bad is near impossible for me especially on D 1. Not a good enough reason? Get over it.

Thunal I feel you hiding in plain sight. Too agreeable, too much fence sitting which is something I do not remember you doing before. You vibe and tone read no goodness for me to find.

Epi fourth highest poster at a time that you claim you are busy. I believe in the last game you played the total of posts was wwwaaayyy less than what you have done here. Then say you do not have any real reads. You posted about your Delta vote and not finding the reason for it to finding the reason then going in another direction. Does not scream "hey I am just town Epi". I am not yet sure what to make of your post count yet but I have noted it.

Scotty I actually agreed with your post about leetic's self awareness and really disliked the part about leetic saying that he would have came in with a different opener if he were a different alignment. So far I find you ok.

LP loved how your one post inspired so many others. Opened discussion in a non confrontational way thank you. Can you explain your Pyxxy town read?

Nothing else to say at this moment. I will be around.

I am extremely sad you didn't say anything about me. Oh well...

[Roxy]

I am extremely sad you didn't say anything about me. Oh well...

Sea need more time to find you town since falcon is not playing. How you treat falcon is how I read you. so sad on both that falc is not playing and that I cannot find you town yet.

[Delta]

Thunal I feel you hiding in plain sight. Too agreeable, too much fence sitting which is something I do not remember you doing before. You vibe and tone read no goodness for me to find.

How would you describe Thunal's town play? :o

[leetic]

Thoughts on the thread and some people in it:


Delta sorry but not. I have zero feelings about your alignment you come across as neither town or mafia

Fluff. Why do you need to point out "neither town nor mafia"?

leetic got nothing about your alignment even tho you post a lot. Your forcefulness makes me want to read you as bad but I stopped myself just bc your style clashes with mine does not make you bad now if only you could get your townieness to shine through all your posts telling others how to play or what thoughts they should be having or reads they are allowed to have. Maybe try playing *without* telling others how to not play and I may poss see you as town but rn I got nothing. Also if you were a different alignment how would you have opened the game?

Mostly hedging. I will push people to act and you have to deal with it, I'm not a do-nothing kind of player especially on D1. How is "telling people how to play" not town indicative? How I would have introduced myself depends on several factors, such as my wincon (wolf or independent) and who my partner(s) were if anyone, so it's no use speculating.

SVS really? I do this in almost every game I have ever played way back to our first game on STV. I gave everyone of you from LP a free first day. If I have not played with someone then I free pass them d 1.

Why some may ask...well bc I do not know them nor their style so trying to find them as bad is near impossible for me especially on D 1. Not a good enough reason? Get over it

What's with giving people a "pass"? It feels somewhat patronizing to me, as if my play cannot stand on its own and needs context to be read.

Thunal I feel you hiding in plain sight. Too agreeable, too much fence sitting which is something I do not remember you doing before. You vibe and tone read no goodness for me to find.

Somewhat of an actual read, though "too much fence sitting" easily applies to your slot as well

Epi fourth highest poster at a time that you claim you are busy. I believe in the last game you played the total of posts was wwwaaayyy less than what you have done here. Then say you do not have any real reads. You posted about your Delta vote and not finding the reason for it to finding the reason then going in another direction. Does not scream "hey I am just town Epi". I am not yet sure what to make of your post count yet but I have noted it.

Hedging, a lot of words but no real elaboration

Scotty I actually agreed with your post about leetic's self awareness and really disliked the part about leetic saying that he would have came in with a different opener if he were a different alignment. So far I find you ok.

Another minor agreement with that post, the fourth time this game I believe. That post was never really followed up on by Scotty though, do you think it still applies to my more recent posts?

LP loved how your one post inspired so many others. Opened discussion in a non confrontational way thank you. Can you explain your Pyxxy town read?

Nothing else to say at this moment. I will be around.

Sure, it generated discussion, but that was because everybody scumread it (and I'm not sure I'd describe it as "non confrontational"). Going in bold is one thing, but not following it up and then completely dipping after you're under immense scrutiny is not a good look.

[Thunal33]

I spoilered this cause it was getting too big, visually.

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[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

@Scotty whenever you're around, let's talk \o/

You mentioned not wanting to vote me since we haven't played together so this in return feels a little cruel :,) can you give me an idea of how you're reading people right now? We'll work from there \o/

Just an FYI, it's kind of an old school Syndicate thing, not voting new people their first game. But this isn't your first game, just your first game with him. So I do find that odd.

@Thunal33 I saw your post where you explained your vote for Scotty. Is it just pressure, or is there anything else? Seeing your thoughts on this will help me sort him, but also sort you. And after Wilgys game I kinda need to sort you, lol.

Scotty usually has more to say, I know he's busy irl, but hope to see more of him, he usually has more to say. I'm unlikely to vote him Day one on vibes without a smoking gun, though.

@leetic First, it's not "fluffposting". It's people playing their game their way, having one on one discussions with people helps me sort them. It's how I play. This AM, I was feeling a bit iffy about Sean, now, a bit better. Based on that conversation.

When I get to page 6, I'll let you know how I feel about Deltas recent posts, I haven't gotten to them yet.

Mostly pressure, with some slight sus on him voting Seanzie for "strong stances" (I think that's towny for Seanzie) and not making a read out of the Leetic self awareness comment.

In Wilgys game, the two of you were back and forth with each other. I have found that when I was bad and faux cased a townie, my focus on finding flaw in their town game to use it against them in that game, led me to have a really good grip on their town game the next game we played together. Are you seeing contrasts between his town game *there* and his game here from that perspective?

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Why?

Because the host said so.

Try to keep up.

Sorry, apparently I'm behind. Can you walk me through the hosts rationale for randing Delta scum?

Let me know how you have a rationale for randomizing this or that.

@leetic , Imma make a GTH/cold read

I think Epi is town. I don't know that I agree with him, but his tone is "IDGAF" and he thinks more about how he sounds when he's bad, imo.

It amazes me that you can make this call on three posts. I'm getting soft I tells ya.

Do we have an eyebrow raised emoji? It's a read, not a cut in stone, "I'll live or die by this!" declaration. This post, though, took the edge off the strength of my conviction, tbh.

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[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

@Scotty whenever you're around, let's talk \o/

You mentioned not wanting to vote me since we haven't played together so this in return feels a little cruel :,) can you give me an idea of how you're reading people right now? We'll work from there \o/

Just an FYI, it's kind of an old school Syndicate thing, not voting new people their first game. But this isn't your first game, just your first game with him. So I do find that odd.

@Thunal33 I saw your post where you explained your vote for Scotty. Is it just pressure, or is there anything else? Seeing your thoughts on this will help me sort him, but also sort you. And after Wilgys game I kinda need to sort you, lol.

Scotty usually has more to say, I know he's busy irl, but hope to see more of him, he usually has more to say. I'm unlikely to vote him Day one on vibes without a smoking gun, though.

@leetic First, it's not "fluffposting". It's people playing their game their way, having one on one discussions with people helps me sort them. It's how I play. This AM, I was feeling a bit iffy about Sean, now, a bit better. Based on that conversation.

When I get to page 6, I'll let you know how I feel about Deltas recent posts, I haven't gotten to them yet.

I also found the "first game with X" thing odd, it wasn't just Scotty, I think perhaps Roxy also used almost exactly this same language, and it doesn't fit with old-school TS-meta, and I find it hard to think that both of them decided to somehow edit the old meta into a weird new phrasing that happened to match exactly. I also feel like I'm wearing a tinfoil hat while saying this though.

I absolutely missed that, I will have to go back and reread. I was too focused on her reaction to being pushed and poked as I know that is her least favorite thing. I was following tone not content. But yeah, that was an odd interpretation of that nicety. I mean, we're a blended community, if we didn't vote for people we never played with before some games we would have a big problem.

Honestly, I didn't find a lot of flaws with his town game. My case was based a lot on him misrepresenting me and on mech "gotchas", and I can't think of any social things he did that game that I would genuinely have found scummy as town. I thought he was obvious town from the start in that game.

I don't townread Scotty but I'm hesitant to vote him because this could very easily be busy town Scotty and that's why he hasn't hit his usual towny energy.

[leetic]

I spoilered this cause it was getting too big, visually.

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[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

@Scotty whenever you're around, let's talk \o/

You mentioned not wanting to vote me since we haven't played together so this in return feels a little cruel :,) can you give me an idea of how you're reading people right now? We'll work from there \o/

Just an FYI, it's kind of an old school Syndicate thing, not voting new people their first game. But this isn't your first game, just your first game with him. So I do find that odd.

@Thunal33 I saw your post where you explained your vote for Scotty. Is it just pressure, or is there anything else? Seeing your thoughts on this will help me sort him, but also sort you. And after Wilgys game I kinda need to sort you, lol.

Scotty usually has more to say, I know he's busy irl, but hope to see more of him, he usually has more to say. I'm unlikely to vote him Day one on vibes without a smoking gun, though.

@leetic First, it's not "fluffposting". It's people playing their game their way, having one on one discussions with people helps me sort them. It's how I play. This AM, I was feeling a bit iffy about Sean, now, a bit better. Based on that conversation.

When I get to page 6, I'll let you know how I feel about Deltas recent posts, I haven't gotten to them yet.

Mostly pressure, with some slight sus on him voting Seanzie for "strong stances" (I think that's towny for Seanzie) and not making a read out of the Leetic self awareness comment.

In Wilgys game, the two of you were back and forth with each other. I have found that when I was bad and faux cased a townie, my focus on finding flaw in their town game to use it against them in that game, led me to have a really good grip on their town game the next game we played together. Are you seeing contrasts between his town game *there* and his game here from that perspective?

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Because the host said so.

Try to keep up.

Sorry, apparently I'm behind. Can you walk me through the hosts rationale for randing Delta scum?

Let me know how you have a rationale for randomizing this or that.

@leetic , Imma make a GTH/cold read

I think Epi is town. I don't know that I agree with him, but his tone is "IDGAF" and he thinks more about how he sounds when he's bad, imo.

It amazes me that you can make this call on three posts. I'm getting soft I tells ya.

Do we have an eyebrow raised emoji? It's a read, not a cut in stone, "I'll live or die by this!" declaration. This post, though, took the edge off the strength of my conviction, tbh.

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[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

@Scotty whenever you're around, let's talk \o/

You mentioned not wanting to vote me since we haven't played together so this in return feels a little cruel :,) can you give me an idea of how you're reading people right now? We'll work from there \o/

Just an FYI, it's kind of an old school Syndicate thing, not voting new people their first game. But this isn't your first game, just your first game with him. So I do find that odd.

@Thunal33 I saw your post where you explained your vote for Scotty. Is it just pressure, or is there anything else? Seeing your thoughts on this will help me sort him, but also sort you. And after Wilgys game I kinda need to sort you, lol.

Scotty usually has more to say, I know he's busy irl, but hope to see more of him, he usually has more to say. I'm unlikely to vote him Day one on vibes without a smoking gun, though.

@leetic First, it's not "fluffposting". It's people playing their game their way, having one on one discussions with people helps me sort them. It's how I play. This AM, I was feeling a bit iffy about Sean, now, a bit better. Based on that conversation.

When I get to page 6, I'll let you know how I feel about Deltas recent posts, I haven't gotten to them yet.

I also found the "first game with X" thing odd, it wasn't just Scotty, I think perhaps Roxy also used almost exactly this same language, and it doesn't fit with old-school TS-meta, and I find it hard to think that both of them decided to somehow edit the old meta into a weird new phrasing that happened to match exactly. I also feel like I'm wearing a tinfoil hat while saying this though.

I absolutely missed that, I will have to go back and reread. I was too focused on her reaction to being pushed and poked as I know that is her least favorite thing. I was following tone not content. But yeah, that was an odd interpretation of that nicety. I mean, we're a blended community, if we didn't vote for people we never played with before some games we would have a big problem.

Honestly, I didn't find a lot of flaws with his town game. My case was based a lot on him misrepresenting me and on mech "gotchas", and I can't think of any social things he did that game that I would genuinely have found scummy as town. I thought he was obvious town from the start in that game.

I don't townread Scotty but I'm hesitant to vote him because this could very easily be busy town Scotty and that's why he hasn't hit his usual towny energy.

What are your thoughts on Wilgy in this game?

[Thunal33]

I spoilered this cause it was getting too big, visually.

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[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

@Scotty whenever you're around, let's talk \o/

You mentioned not wanting to vote me since we haven't played together so this in return feels a little cruel :,) can you give me an idea of how you're reading people right now? We'll work from there \o/

Just an FYI, it's kind of an old school Syndicate thing, not voting new people their first game. But this isn't your first game, just your first game with him. So I do find that odd.

@Thunal33 I saw your post where you explained your vote for Scotty. Is it just pressure, or is there anything else? Seeing your thoughts on this will help me sort him, but also sort you. And after Wilgys game I kinda need to sort you, lol.

Scotty usually has more to say, I know he's busy irl, but hope to see more of him, he usually has more to say. I'm unlikely to vote him Day one on vibes without a smoking gun, though.

@leetic First, it's not "fluffposting". It's people playing their game their way, having one on one discussions with people helps me sort them. It's how I play. This AM, I was feeling a bit iffy about Sean, now, a bit better. Based on that conversation.

When I get to page 6, I'll let you know how I feel about Deltas recent posts, I haven't gotten to them yet.

Mostly pressure, with some slight sus on him voting Seanzie for "strong stances" (I think that's towny for Seanzie) and not making a read out of the Leetic self awareness comment.

In Wilgys game, the two of you were back and forth with each other. I have found that when I was bad and faux cased a townie, my focus on finding flaw in their town game to use it against them in that game, led me to have a really good grip on their town game the next game we played together. Are you seeing contrasts between his town game *there* and his game here from that perspective?

Spoiler: show

Sorry, apparently I'm behind. Can you walk me through the hosts rationale for randing Delta scum?

Let me know how you have a rationale for randomizing this or that.

@leetic , Imma make a GTH/cold read

I think Epi is town. I don't know that I agree with him, but his tone is "IDGAF" and he thinks more about how he sounds when he's bad, imo.

It amazes me that you can make this call on three posts. I'm getting soft I tells ya.

Do we have an eyebrow raised emoji? It's a read, not a cut in stone, "I'll live or die by this!" declaration. This post, though, took the edge off the strength of my conviction, tbh.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

@Scotty whenever you're around, let's talk \o/

You mentioned not wanting to vote me since we haven't played together so this in return feels a little cruel :,) can you give me an idea of how you're reading people right now? We'll work from there \o/

Just an FYI, it's kind of an old school Syndicate thing, not voting new people their first game. But this isn't your first game, just your first game with him. So I do find that odd.

@Thunal33 I saw your post where you explained your vote for Scotty. Is it just pressure, or is there anything else? Seeing your thoughts on this will help me sort him, but also sort you. And after Wilgys game I kinda need to sort you, lol.

Scotty usually has more to say, I know he's busy irl, but hope to see more of him, he usually has more to say. I'm unlikely to vote him Day one on vibes without a smoking gun, though.

@leetic First, it's not "fluffposting". It's people playing their game their way, having one on one discussions with people helps me sort them. It's how I play. This AM, I was feeling a bit iffy about Sean, now, a bit better. Based on that conversation.

When I get to page 6, I'll let you know how I feel about Deltas recent posts, I haven't gotten to them yet.

I also found the "first game with X" thing odd, it wasn't just Scotty, I think perhaps Roxy also used almost exactly this same language, and it doesn't fit with old-school TS-meta, and I find it hard to think that both of them decided to somehow edit the old meta into a weird new phrasing that happened to match exactly. I also feel like I'm wearing a tinfoil hat while saying this though.

I absolutely missed that, I will have to go back and reread. I was too focused on her reaction to being pushed and poked as I know that is her least favorite thing. I was following tone not content. But yeah, that was an odd interpretation of that nicety. I mean, we're a blended community, if we didn't vote for people we never played with before some games we would have a big problem.

Honestly, I didn't find a lot of flaws with his town game. My case was based a lot on him misrepresenting me and on mech "gotchas", and I can't think of any social things he did that game that I would genuinely have found scummy as town. I thought he was obvious town from the start in that game.

I don't townread Scotty but I'm hesitant to vote him because this could very easily be busy town Scotty and that's why he hasn't hit his usual towny energy.

What are your thoughts on Wilgy in this game?

Slightly below null. I think it's funny that he pretty much did the opposite I did when asked for GTH reads. I've seen him not do much as town day 1 and I've seen him not do much as scum day 1, but as scum he leaned harder into a gimmick than I remember seeing him do as town. I think as both alignments he tends to not do a lot early and pick up later.

[Roxy]

Thunal I feel you hiding in plain sight. Too agreeable, too much fence sitting which is something I do not remember you doing before. You vibe and tone read no goodness for me to find.

How would you describe Thunal's town play? :o

doing their own thing and not giving one fuck about what anybody thinks. Here they seem to really care about how they are read. So hence my post.

[Seanzie]

I have a strong inclination to read Leetic as town, and afterwards put my hands over my ears, close my eyes and say "la la la la la", however I do have some very slight reservations that I need to work through.

1. I initially thought they had been inactive for a long time, but it looks like they do play, just off-site. However if they only played one game in 2023, perhaps this is still valid? I haven't actually skimmed their games yet, but I may need to soon.

2. A lot of their posts don't actually draw conclusions, and instead just nitpick. They still are probably >rand!town, however I am at least slightly wary.

This is not to say that I don't still think they are very likely town, I just... perhaps don't want to lock that read in forever and not look back.